The official TST I like guns thread.

[enigma]

I know the scar-l was gonna be pretty expensive, as well as limited, i think i'll be fine for now with a future AR, my current M&P45 and possibly a rifle of some kind.

[WKderF]

never shot that model but i can tell you sig sauers are one of the most reliable top of the line pistols you can buy, you cant go wrong, the model i shot had a nice balance to it, kinda heavy though. this model looks sick with a threaded barrel http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=54&productid=227

this one is cool, compact, and apparently you can swap barrels? the 357 sig round is pretty fun, but expensive http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=54&productid=219

heres a video
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=54&productid=183

since you cant find a range that has one for rent id just go to a store and maybe check it out, see if its comfortable in your hand, i know its best to shoot it first but sometimes you cant, i can assure that you wont be dissapointed. what caliber are you looking at?


Ive been on sig's website practically every day since learning about this gun. I know the models & that video quite well. I plan on sticking to 9mm as thats what ive had in the past and I have been very happy with it. owning a glock 26, and having owned 2 glock 19s, 9mm just fits me very well. ive had it in my hands several times, and the feel / weight distribution is great. I would just like to fire it before i commit to it. but i have honestly never heard Sig horror stories about bad firing models, so I think ill be ok of i cant shoot one before hand.

[ITSTOCK]

I don't think that you are going to find many complaints about the p250.

I tried one at the range a couple months ago and couldn't get used to the trigger. Otherwise, really nice gun. Comfortable, smooth, manageable, accurate, etc. etc. Actually, it was REALLY comfortable.

[WKderF]

I tried one at the range a couple months ago and couldn't get used to the trigger. Otherwise, really nice gun.

were u not able to get used to the DAO? or simply the size / style / or weight of the trigger?

I have never had a DAO gun & while i dont think that would stop me from buying this gun - I have never owned a dual action before.

[ITSTOCK]

Yes, I am referring to the DOA (or dak, whatever they call it). It's like the LEM trigger for HK. It just doesn't feel right to me.

[upperguy]

Just curious, anyone from TST going to the Valley Forge gun show in Dec?

[WKderF]

Just curious, anyone from TST going to the Valley Forge gun show in Dec?

if I havnt picked up my sig by then - ill be going there to hopefully find a deal on one.

[bjc26]

Yes, I am referring to the DOA (or dak, whatever they call it). It's like the LEM trigger for HK. It just doesn't feel right to me.

I have the DAK trigger on my p229r in 9mm and it definitely takes some time to get used to, one of those triggers that isn't for everyone. I can actually shoot tighter groups and have a faster follow up than with my xd40 which is da only (although the sig is obviously less "snappy" than the 40).

[den9]

so is a dao has a heavy trigger every shot, where a da/sa has a heavy trigger only the first shot if not cocked? ****s confusing

[BradC]

so is a dao has a heavy trigger every shot, where a da/sa has a heavy trigger only the first shot if not cocked? ****s confusing

Yes.

DAO = double action only. Every trigger pull will cock the pistol and then release the hammer to fire it.

DA/SA is double action on the first trigger pull, and uses the cycling of the slide to cock the hammer, making the next trigger pull single action (only releases the hammer).

Make sense??

[WKderF]

BradC has it just right.

The way it was explained to me:

pulling the hammer back / preparing the firing pin to strike is one action,

releasing the hammer and having it strike the firing pin is another action.

a combination Dual Action / Single Action (DA/SA) (good example is the traditional 1911 pistol) means that the with the hammer at rest (not cocked), when the trigger is pulled, the hammer is pulled back (1st action) and then released (2nd action). after the round is fired, the slide will blow back, eject the empty casing, load another round, and the slide will return forward. the hammer however, will be recocked automatically by the slide, and will stay in a cocked position. when the trigger is pulled now (a lighter pull because the hammer is already cocked) the trigger will simply release the hammer (1st and only action IE: single action) and the gun will fire. until you run out of ammo, or you decock the gun, each trigger pull after the 1st one will be Single Action. if you decock the gun, the next trigger pull will be a Double Action pull.

A Dual Action Only (DAO) pistol means that with each trigger pull, the hammer will be pulled back, and then released. this means that when not firing, the gun is "at rest" meaning there is no spring that is holding tension IE: there is no way to accidentally discharge the gun without first cocking it.

[ITSTOCK]

i been 21 for a month and a half and i still havent bought a damn gun yet, if that was compact and i had money id have to buy that. been eyeing up a usp for years now

Jump quick if you want it....

http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/39487-hk-usp-compact-40-w-4-mags-495-a.html

The guy is nearly 3 hours away, so either shipping or just drive to his FFL. Offer whatever you want between $420 and his asking price, but remember that each additional 12 round mag is worth about $40, so you are getting $80 in extras. Also find out what variant it is.

[den9]

sale pending 4 minutes ago. id honestly pick that up if i had the money, i dont save money too well.

dont they have like 12 different variants you can choose in one?

[ITSTOCK]

Damn, that was quick! And yes, there are a lot of variants, not sure exactly how many though, but I know that my usp .45 compact is a variant 1.

[ITSTOCK]

I guess there are 10 variants....

http://hkpro.com/uspvariants.jpg

[den9]

whats a variant 1? no safety or something?

technically there is only 5, they are just adding 5 more because there is left and right hand variants

[ITSTOCK]

whats a variant 1? no safety or something?

technically there is only 5, they are just adding 5 more because there is left and right hand variants

Is the picture showing up for you?

[Archie]

How bout the Desert Eagle, any one own one here?

[den9]

i hate israeli guns, i know someone on here has a friend who owns one

[motorvated]

I wont let myself buy a guy...BUT I wouldn't mind having an old school revolver.

[upperguy]

I wont let myself buy a guy...BUT I wouldn't mind having an old school revolver.

revolvers aren't guns?

[Jeff told me to]

revolvers aren't guns?

They're just metal objects used to fire bullets. I'm pretty sure if its a gun it normally has "GUN" written on it somewhere so you can tell.

[den9]

lmao, i cant tell if your joking or not.

[motorvated]

HAHAHA Im pretty sure its a gun. I wouldnt let myself buy a gun, but if I did...I'de want an old school revolver. Is that easier for your brain to understand?

[den9]

i was referring to someone saying its only a gun if it says "gun" on it

so u want a black powdered revolver?
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0006195210082a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCHFEAT_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=revolver&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&Go.x=0&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1

[Jeff told me to]

i was referring to someone saying its only a gun if it says "gun" on it

Haha, very much joking :)
I don't believe I've ever come across a gun with "gun" stamped on it.

Is that easier for your brain to understand?

Dear user,

Please calm down, no need to get all snippy.

Yours truly, the internet

[den9]

im gonna start calling my guns "boom sticks"

[ITSTOCK]

im gonna start calling my guns "boom sticks"

Since I already posted it...

"That's not a knife. THIS is a knife!!!"

Watch crocodile dundee, replace "knife" with "boom stick", and this is what you get.

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/bmgbasement003wedb.jpg

It's me and the Bushmaster BA50 by the way, 30" barrel and 30 pounds. The dog is an 85 pound boxer who's head apparently got stuck in a pumpkin.

[WKderF]

OMFG.

Damn.

[den9]

god damn that looks big, that clip is huge too. i like the rail mount for the scope, u shoot that yet?

[den9]

i just watched the movie shooter, it was such a great ****ing movie, and it was even more bad ass because it had phillly in it. as soon as i seen his sniper rifle i thought about your .50 cal

i think the gun used was this, which is sick, i think its 10 grand, im surprised its not atleast 20 grand.

.408 cheytac is nuts
http://cheytac.com/M-200%20Spec%20Sheet1-07.pdf

heres a video of it from future weapons, they had to calculate the earths rotation for this shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bti1jfo03X4

[den9]

hey WKderf i called classic pistol and i asked what guns they had for rent, im almost positive he said sig P250
give them a call 215-953-7264

anyone trying to go up next week? its 15 an hour plus 10 bucks a gun plus 12-18 bucks a box of 50 bullets depending on what ammo

[Jeff told me to]

Back on the topic of if its a gun or not...

http://www.mouseguns.com/pf9/pf9004.jpg

Kel Tec lets you know.
One and there, not guns
Two, inconclusive
:wiggle:

[den9]

i hate kel tec

[Jeff told me to]

Haha, they are def only good for one thing... a last resort when all else has gone wrong.

[den9]

they look cheap, they are american made though but i heard alotta bad things, and they have heavy triggers. what can you expect for 250 bucks?

[BradC]

Ok guys, anyone have any experience with a BCM or CMMG 16" middy upper?

I've got a stripped lower here waiting for some love. I know both are on backorder, so lead time isn't a big deal. Any good/bad personal experience for either?

[den9]

guy at claytons said after the election in one day some company sold 7000 recievers on AR15's sold in 2 days.

my dad bought this, when he put a deposit on it the next day 24 people wanted to buy it. its fun.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/811000_spec_sm.jpg

also bought an eotech site, not sure which one exactly but its bad ass and cost half as much as the gun
http://www.eotech-inc.com/images/sight_group.jpg

[ITSTOCK]

I've got to go to Claytons tomorrow to with the g/f to get a CCW gun for her, still not 100% on what she is going to get.

AR15's are certainly selling like hotcakes, and Claytons is one of the few that still have them in stock (plus lowers and mags). The price also went up 50% plus on stripped lowers, overnight. :(

Did they have that M&P-15 on the shelf? He still has a LOT of other nice AR's, a couple of which are on consignment.

[yick yack]

i'm trying to get a p99 when i turn 21...

[ndubz]

http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/Accuracy%20International%20AS50%20.50%20BMG%20Semi-Auto%20Rifle_1.jpg
I heard one of these B*tches ripped a guy in half from over 2miles away in Afghanistan. NASTY

[den9]

I've got to go to Claytons tomorrow to with the g/f to get a CCW gun for her, still not 100% on what she is going to get.

AR15's are certainly selling like hotcakes, and Claytons is one of the few that still have them in stock (plus lowers and mags). The price also went up 50% plus on stripped lowers, overnight. :(

Did they have that M&P-15 on the shelf? He still has a LOT of other nice AR's, a couple of which are on consignment.

i think it was on the shelf, he wanted a colt and they didnt have any so he said put me down on the list, but the guy said they are pretty much all the same, so my dad left and called back an hour later and put a deposit on it, definetly a awesome gun, expensive to shoot kinda. definetly getting a membership at classic pistol.

i think im going to apply for my ccw permit tommorow, i just dont know where exactly to go, i know the sheriffs office, wherever that is.

edit- for anyone interested in getting a permit id do it now before some kind of ban happens. kinda pricey though
http://www.buckscounty.org/government/rowofficers/Sheriff/WeaponsPermit.aspx

[012.5RS]

no idea's for the above, but, I ordered another gun today...

http://dynamicarmament.com/images/fnscaraug2008/fn%20scar%20223%20folded.jpg
http://dynamicarmament.com/images/fnscaraug2008/fn%20scar%20223%20lt.jpg

FN SCAR-L, 16s (16" barrel), will be here late December, early January. More picture to come when I get the damn thing!

i waaaaaaaannnnnnnnttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

collapsable stock ftw!

i just bought a springfield armory 4" xd45 with black slide and tan frame. will post pics when i get home. Conceals great and groups even better! used to carry a glock 36(love the xd soo much better) and had a remmington 700bdl .243 with a bushnell 5-9x scope and bipod. Could reach out and touch someone from 300 yards. I really wanna get an armorlite ar50 soooo bad.

[Jeffros Spec V]

This may be my next pistol. My buddy is going to give me a good deal on it, double stack mag .45 FTW! Though I don't know if I want a Springfield for my first 1911!

http://www.rrarms.com/catmedwid/GPI9140LP.jpg

[ITSTOCK]

ndubz, Britain's military uses the AI rifles, and they are some serious $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I'd LOVE to have an AI .338 lapua rifle. I haven't heard of the kill that you are talking about, the longest I heard was from a bolt action McMillian .50 bmg at 1.5 miles.

den9, I can't help specifically with the bucks county permit, but go to the Bucks county courthouse in Doylestown to get it.

Why don't you want a Springfield 1911 Jeffros? I'm probably going to end up with a GI. The GI and MIL-spec might not be blinged out, nor are they competition accurate 1911's, but they are some of the most reliable out of the box 1911's there are.

[den9]

itstock do u have a membership at CP by any chance?

anyone go hunting monday or tues?

[ITSTOCK]

My membership ran out last month, and I haven't been back there since. I like that place, everything except for the douchebag kid that works the counter.

Oh, and I don't hunt (though I started going when I was around 10, through 18, just never shot at a deer). I've never shot a live animal, nor have I wanted to, but when my friends bring me some venison, I wish I did! Hell, in the 8 years of going out in the woods for hunting season, I never even witnessed a buck.

[den9]

deer are getting scarce by my mountains, im hoping to kill a few coyotes soon, they are 24/7 in season, that means u can hunt at night too.

i could care less what i hit, alot of people hunt for trophy's, i just like the meat, my friend made a point when he said why would someone want to kill such a nice looking animal, i agree, i think a monster buck would look cooler in the woods than on my wall. my dad shot an elk with a bow in colorado, cant wait to try that meat, its been a bitch trying to get it shipped back, the taxidermist wont take CC over the phone.

in bucks county there are so many damn deer, id love to shoot 10 of them. its hard finding spots these days, so if anyone has land hook it up.

if i do shoot something this year im gonna try and make my own jerky, and have the butcher make all kinds of snack meats. they are the only things that really taste good, and its alot easier to give away.

[Jeff told me to]

I like that place, everything except for the douchebag kid that works the counter.

HAHA, I know the one you are speaking of, rather annoying.

[Archie]

I just bought a new glock 37, wanted the small size but power with it. After reading a little I hear that the higher caliber glocks tend to, (in my own words) blow up the barrel. I read this on a glock page dont remeber where, just made me think for a sec said it can destroy the gun and cause injury or death.. ha. I know glock quality but wtf.

[ITSTOCK]

I just bought a new glock 37, wanted the small size but power with it. After reading a little I hear that the higher caliber glocks tend to, (in my own words) blow up the barrel. I read this on a glock page dont remeber where, just made me think for a sec said it can destroy the gun and cause injury or death.. ha. I know glock quality but wtf.

The general rule of thumb is don't use reloads (overpressure) or +p ammo. Your GLOCK will outlast you. :) Any and every handgun out there has kaboomed at one point or another.

This is a picture of a Springfield XD with FACTORY ammo that kb'ed (picture taken and gun examined by gunsmith on another forum), XD's are supposed to have a supported chamber unlike the GLOCK, so people say they don't kb in the chamber. :lol: I made the photoshop, so excuse the poor quality.

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/xdkb-1.jpg


Now post up pictures of that 37!

[Jeff told me to]

A moment of free time used for a quickly polished barrel.[originally just dull bare steel]


http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq320/AuditorClothing/P11_1.jpg

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq320/AuditorClothing/P11_2.jpg

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq320/AuditorClothing/P11_3-1.jpg

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq320/AuditorClothing/P11_4.jpg

[Archie]

8016
8017

this thing is amazing, more comfortable than i thought a .40 cal would be.
think i wanna upgrade to the 357 glock

[den9]

u can put a 357 barrel in a 40 caliber. it will wear out the gun faster maybe, unless u upgrade the spring. on some guns atleast

[Archie]

u can put a 357 barrel in a 40 caliber. it will wear out the gun faster maybe, unless u upgrade the spring. on some guns atleast

and then kaboom??......

[ITSTOCK]

One of my presents to my g/f for xmas (it's legally hers, I just paid for it). We just picked it up about an hour ago.

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/p221.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/p222.jpg

Now I want one. :mad:

[ITSTOCK]

8016
8017

this thing is amazing, more comfortable than i thought a .40 cal would be.
think i wanna upgrade to the 357 glock

Nice G27!

[garrettej8]

I love those p22's, I'd like to get one soon. that 22 ammo goes a long way too.

[enigma]

TST range day anyone?
Now i gotta decie what iwant more, an AR, or a 30-06.

[garrettej8]

I'm down for a range day. it's gotta be on a weekend and it's gotta be at state game land #43. it's the only outdoor range that's free around here. I've got like 400 rounds of .223 that I need to fire off lol

[ITSTOCK]

TST range day anyone?
Now i gotta decie what iwant more, an AR, or a 30-06.

no brainer, get the AR before prices get even more retarded.

I'm in for a range day at SGL #43. I still have to sight in my BA50.

[enigma]

Yeah, i just picked up a Remington chambered in 223 today. Collapsable stock, camo, looks like this- http://www.remington.com/images/products/firearms/centerfire/lgsil_r15.jpg

French creek?
I was just up there last weekend with my dads 30-30 trying to sight it in. Cold as a mudderfudder.
And holy crap, a BA50?

[den9]

and then kaboom??......

a 357 sig round is a neck down .40

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=927568

[cmr076]

I still have to sight in my BA50.

:bigeek: for what?!?!? and dont you already have a 50cal?

[Archie]

a 357 sig round is a neck down .40

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=927568

interesting

[ITSTOCK]

:bigeek: for what?!?!? and dont you already have a 50cal?

The BA50 is the 50 cal, and I haven't shot it yet, thus it's not sighted in. :lol:

enigma, how do you like that Remington? I haven't' heard much about them since they were released not too long ago, no accuracy or reliability reports that I can recall. It would be nice to have one posted up somewhere.

[alwaysinboost]

I need to get some pics of my recent purchase up here. Its nothing like what some of you have but I think its a nice carry gun.
I'm going to the range today at like one to kill some paper. I'll try and remember to bring my camera with me.

[Archie]

what do you have?

i actually started with a jennings 9mm witch is discontinued now, cant stand the thing and dont know what to do with it. i asked the dealer if i could trade it in and he told me to go to the police drop off and try to get a grocery vouvher for it![/QUOTE]

[den9]

my friends dad sold his smith and wesson 45 last week for 150 bucks, dont know what model it was but im so pissed becuz i was gonna ask him if he wanted to sell it, if i known he was gonna sell it for that cheap i would of even offered double.

[ITSTOCK]

my friends dad sold his smith and wesson 45 last week for 150 bucks, dont know what model it was but im so pissed becuz i was gonna ask him if he wanted to sell it, if i known he was gonna sell it for that cheap i would of even offered double.

http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/43615-hk-usp-40-variant-1-a.html

Offer $600 cash and see if he bites...

The mags are about $35 each though, so you get over $100 in extra value in that $700. It's not a killer deal, but it's a fair price at $700. $600 would be a great deal.

And
http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/43586-misc-guns-some-sort-vehicle-5000-max.html

Offer $500 cash, and work from there.

Also, these prices obviously include the transfer fee of anywhere from $10-40.

EDIT: DOH! Just realized earlier you said compact!!!

[den9]

thanks for the lookout, i seriously dont have any money at all, and if i did id probably have to hold on to it for emergency use. if i finally save some extra money im going for a 40 and 45 usp compact or a glock 26. thats been my plan for years now, although id love to have a nice rifle and scope.

[DoubleOughtCel]

One of the stores I frequent had a TEC-9 for sale yesterday for $340 in awesome condition, but I didn't know enough about the value of it to buy it. By the time I go back I'm sure it'll be gone. I had a one of the Mossberg 500 variants in my hands but when I opened the slide the chamber was all scratched to ****.....huge gashes on the inside of it. Def wasn't about to buy that POS.

[dickerdieter]

Ewwww if i am assuming correctly u mean a 500 variant by another company making a copy of the 500 I wouldnt go near it, but if u mean other mossberg product they arent bad, but go remingtom 870 if ur going for a nice pump shotty for cheap, i have an old Arizona Highway patrol remi 870 that i got for $100 out the door (they will withstand MANY more rounds than the mossbergs will, and a little used you barely pay any more)

[DoubleOughtCel]

Ewwww if i am assuming correctly u mean a 500 variant by another company making a copy of the 500 I wouldnt go near it, but if u mean other mossberg product they arent bad, but go remingtom 870 if ur going for a nice pump shotty for cheap, i have an old Arizona Highway patrol remi 870 that i got for $100 out the door (they will withstand MANY more rounds than the mossbergs will, and a little used you barely pay any more)

No, it was a Mossberg, but there are about 25 different versions you can buy the 500 in from Mossberg. This was one that was originally very basic but the previous owner had slapped a bunch of parts on to make it look like a different version. The parts were right, but the work was done at home and looked like **** up close. plus, I didn't want that ****ty barrel to cause a round to blow up in my face.

[dickerdieter]

No, it was a Mossberg, but there are about 25 different versions you can buy the 500 in from Mossberg. This was one that was originally very basic but the previous owner had slapped a bunch of parts on to make it look like a different version. The parts were right, but the work was done at home and looked like **** up close. plus, I didn't want that ****ty barrel to cause a round to blow up in my face.

got it, good decision my man:cool: haha

[upperguy]

anyone seen a decent bolt action .223 anywhere? I've been looking for something like a savage or tikka but trying to save some cash because I'm in no rush. I figure if I cant find one in the next week though I will just order it. I'm also looking for a used progressive press for reloading.

Anyway, TST group shoot? anyone want to set something up

[enigma]

The BA50 is the 50 cal, and I haven't shot it yet, thus it's not sighted in. :lol:

enigma, how do you like that Remington? I haven't' heard much about them since they were released not too long ago, no accuracy or reliability reports that I can recall. It would be nice to have one posted up somewhere.

It seemed like a nicely built rifle, but after i found out that i could only safely fire .223 in it, and not 5.56 and .223, i swapped it out for brand new bushmaster M4A3, same basic gun, only a little stiffer trigger, no full floating barrel, and all black. Plus the bushmaster has the chrome lined barrel(remington did not), and came with a larger mag(but its a crappy military-like issue). A3 sights are sweet too, once i get consistent with iron sights, i'd like to get a TA31. The M4 is a gem, i got about 100 rounds through it plinking at TM monday.

[enigma]

http://poststuff4.entensity.net/010509/1.jpg
lolz

[ITSTOCK]

It seemed like a nicely built rifle, but after i found out that i could only safely fire .223 in it, and not 5.56 and .223, i swapped it out for brand new bushmaster M4A3, same basic gun, only a little stiffer trigger, no full floating barrel, and all black. Plus the bushmaster has the chrome lined barrel(remington did not), and came with a larger mag(but its a crappy military-like issue). A3 sights are sweet too, once i get consistent with iron sights, i'd like to get a TA31. The M4 is a gem, i got about 100 rounds through it plinking at TM monday.

Ah, that stinks, I didn't know they only came in .223. 100 rounds isn't even through the "break-in period", keep shooting. :mrgreen:

[blewby u]

my bf got me a nice little ladysmith - hopefully it doesn't have too much kick for me when we go shooting for my 110lb ass lol

[ITSTOCK]

my bf got me a nice little ladysmith - hopefully it doesn't have too much kick for me when we go shooting for my 110lb ass lol

No thanks to the lady smith. It doesn't make for a very fun plinker :lol:. On the other hand, for a concealed carry gun for a trained user, it's a great choice.

And be careful with the word usage of who got who what...certain (multiple in this case) legalities involved.

[blewby u]

good to know. what's crazy is we live in philly near the tacoma bridge, and travel between pa and nj a lot - and in nj if they catch u with a gun, bullets or anything like that it's one year in jail mandatory and a felony. isn't that crazy? regaurdless of having a permit to carry in pa or not.

[enigma]

Yeah, i gotta find me some bulk ammo now.

[malloyboy1]

just wanted to put it out there that im a pround owner of a new oly ar 15 as of today......... woooohoooo



as for ammo check out cheaper than dirt.com

[Jeffros Spec V]

I was at the range today. My buddy and I shoot about 200 rds of 223 though his AR and 200 rds of 7.62x39 though a RPK

[malloyboy1]

what brand of rounds and what brand ar were you shooting i found a good deal on .223 rounds but when i read the customer reviews on the rounds it was split about 50/50 with great and horrible

[Jeffros Spec V]

The rounds we shoot were from a case of Remmington 223.

http://www.ar15pro.com/DisplayPic.aspx?PIC=40717

We didn't have a single problem and shot pretty well.

[garrettej8]

I usually run either wolf or silver bear through my AR. I've never had a problem with either and they are usually the cheapest online. I use aimsurplus.com or ammunitiontogo.com

[den9]

got a 1000 rounds of .223 for the AR in the mail last week, after like a month back ordered

[den9]

just picked up my permit today, walked out in 45 minutes, i thought it would take 2 weeks.

[malloyboy1]

One of my presents to my g/f for xmas (it's legally hers, I just paid for it). We just picked it up about an hour ago.

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/p221.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/p222.jpg

Now I want one. :mad:



haha they make that in pink with stainless too i was gonna get one for my g/f and yes i know what you mean i like it too but i think im gonna get the p99 for a range gun

[den9]

does anyone know if its legal to carry someone else gun?

[BradC]

does anyone know if its legal to carry someone else gun?

What state are you in?

If PA;

§ 6115. Loans on, or lending or giving firearms prohibited.
(a) Offense defined.--No person shall make any loan secured
by mortgage, deposit or pledge of a firearm, nor, except as
provided in subsection (b), shall any person lend or give a
firearm to another or otherwise deliver a firearm contrary to
the provisions of this subchapter.
(b) Exception.--
(1) Subsection (a) shall not apply if any of the
following apply:
(i) The person who receives the firearm is licensed
to carry a firearm under section 6109 (relating to
licenses).

As long as no money is transferred, yes, you should be good. If money is transferred, it needs to be done at an FFL (for handguns, longarms need no legal transfer in PA).

So, if you have your LTCF, your friend (whoever), can "loan" you his firearm. I can't find anything saying that you cannot then carry this firearm, be it open or concealed. If its legally loaned to you, and you can legally carry, I can't see, IMHO, where the law would frown on that...nor can I find a reference to its illegality.

www.pafoa.com is a wealth of info for this stuff...

Edit - http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-121/44255-concealed-carry-able-carry-my-fathers-pistol.html

Timely discussion

[012.5RS]

I already carry a springfield xd45 4" with the desert frame and black slide. Just purchased a brand new colt ar-15. Cant wait to go shoot it. So pretty much what ive read is the best ammo to run though this is either remmington or wolf? Any other brands ud reccomend? and also any sites where you can buy in bulk, like a case or more at a time for discounted price? Will post pics asap. Getting my package of my 3-9x42mm scope, and command arms tactical flashlight mounted to the front sight.

[Buster]

I have a question.

Im not a fan of guns at all, I dont like them and would prefer we have no need for them.

I just got a house and have a decently modded car and I'm fairly young. So out side it may seem like I have a little money. With the economy in the current status its in right now I've decided that getting a gun to keep in the house for safety isnt so unreasonable. Nothing scares a robber like one in the chamber.

Now my question is, what gun is the most reasonable, and effective. I also have never even fired a gun before so I would like to know where are good places to do this.

[KrautFed20V]

I have a question.

Im not a fan of guns at all, I dont like them and would prefer we have no need for them.

I just got a house and have a decently modded car and I'm fairly young. So out side it may seem like I have a little money. With the economy in the current status its in right now I've decided that getting a gun to keep in the house for safety isnt so unreasonable. Nothing scares a robber like one in the chamber.

Now my question is, what gun is the most reasonable, and effective. I also have never even fired a gun before so I would like to know where are good places to do this.

IMO First thing you need to do is sign up for some kind of classes. something like this

Basic Safety Course

This course will train you from the beginning. It covers safety, stance, trigger pull, sight alignment, cleaning and much more. The course is a NRA certified course and at the end you receive a certificate that shows that you have completed a safety course. This course is on-going and is usually reserved for a maximum of 6 students.

Then once you know what you're doing you can make a decision for yourself.

I carry a KelTec P3AT

[ricky2i5]

I have a question.

Im not a fan of guns at all, I dont like them and would prefer we have no need for them.

I just got a house and have a decently modded car and I'm fairly young. So out side it may seem like I have a little money. With the economy in the current status its in right now I've decided that getting a gun to keep in the house for safety isnt so unreasonable. Nothing scares a robber like one in the chamber.

Now my question is, what gun is the most reasonable, and effective. I also have never even fired a gun before so I would like to know where are good places to do this.


Smith and Wesson luger 9mm!
my pops has one of these and took me out shooting for my first time real easy to use and not much kick

[012.5RS]

id def reccomend taking a safety course first. and for a first time owner most prefer 9mm. Also if u have friends who are gun owners id reccomend going to the range with them and try their guns and rent some at the shop. Get a feel for what you like, size, power, weight, price, if your gonna carry or just for home protection. if u want shoot me a pm, u can try my xd45 if ud like. I'm prob going to classic pistol in southampton this saturday.

[Buster]

Thanks alot guys, lol I was afraid of the responses I might get.

My dad has a 9mm so I may have him take me out to shoot. I just want to make sure that Susie, my home and our stuff is safe. I don't ever plan on carrying. I'm also looking into a gun safe.

[KrautFed20V]

Thanks alot guys, lol I was afraid of the responses I might get.

My dad has a 9mm so I may have him take me out to shoot. I just want to make sure that Susie, my home and our stuff is safe. I don't ever plan on carrying. I'm also looking into a gun safe.

Good idea and if you ever plan on getting a carry permit i would do it now before any legislation changes.

[012.5RS]

id go get a liscence to carry now, even though u dont plan on carrying. with obama getting in god knows what is gonna happen. Its only like $45 or so and takes about 20mins to get. If your going to get a safe, get one that will secure to either wall studs or floor joists. a safe does no good if u can just pick it up and take it with you, cause theyll just open it later. :)

[Buster]

I used to work for Permavault so I can get a pretty decent one.

Why are guns so cheap? The guys at work were telling me that for 400 you can get a really nice gun?

[KrautFed20V]

I used to work for Permavault so I can get a pretty decent one.

Why are guns so cheap? The guys at work were telling me that for 400 you can get a really nice gun?

that's about right


New Glock's run ~440

[Buster]

I expected it to be alot more than that. You can buy used recondition guns also?

[BradC]

I expected it to be alot more than that. You can buy used recondition guns also?

Yes, used are out there too, most shops have a used section.

Go to a range where you can rent, and try out as much as you can. Some will fit YOU better then others.

[Buster]

Yes, used are out there too, most shops have a used section.

Go to a range where you can rent, and try out as much as you can. Some will fit YOU better then others.

Im sure this is true, I have stubby fingers lol. I dont know it I could handle a bigger gun. Like I said though, just to protect what I've worked hard for and since its already been proven that crime has shot through the roof in the last 6 months I dont want to be caught with my pants down. Luckly I live in a nice area but it doesnt mean it wont happen.

[KrautFed20V]

Yes, used are out there too, most shops have a used section.

Go to a range where you can rent, and try out as much as you can. Some will fit YOU better then others.

Agreed, I believe Classic Pistol in Southampton is Close by to Buster, those guy's are great. where my dad bought his Mini 14 and my Bro bought his AR-15

[Buster]

Where do you go for safety courses? Or is it just reading material?

[KrautFed20V]

Where do you go for safety courses? Or is it just reading material?

NRA courses (http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/index.asp)

[012.5RS]

i just got my colt ar from cp just on fri. :) also depends on peoples view of a "good" gun. glocks are a good starter gun. less expensive, easily broken down and cleaned, good safe action system. i used to have a 36 which is a .45 cal sub compact slimline. smallest glock, prob i had was such a large bullet in such a small barrel it would jam A LOT!

[KrautFed20V]

i just got my colt ar from cp just on fri. :) also depends on peoples view of a "good" gun. glocks are a good starter gun. less expensive, easily broken down and cleaned, good safe action system. i used to have a 36 which is a .45 cal sub compact slimline. smallest glock, prob i had was such a large bullet in such a small barrel it would jam A LOT!

i had that problem with my s&w .40 subcompact, also there wasn't enough weight to the gun it would snap your wrist really hard. my dad just got a Kimber Goldmatch ii .45 which has really good balance.

[malloyboy1]

Where do you go for safety courses? Or is it just reading material?

gimme a call sometime ill take you to shoot mine

[den9]

Thanks alot guys, lol I was afraid of the responses I might get.

My dad has a 9mm so I may have him take me out to shoot. I just want to make sure that Susie, my home and our stuff is safe. I don't ever plan on carrying. I'm also looking into a gun safe.
if u dont plan on carrying id look into a shotgun, they r cheap, easier to aim and usually when u rack the pump its scary enough to make the bad gun run away.

[Buster]

if u dont plan on carrying id look into a shotgun, they r cheap, easier to aim and usually when u rack the pump its scary enough to make the bad gun run away.

I loled at that.

[dwl137]

I'd have to agree. If it's going to be just for home defense a shotgun is in my opinion your best bet. Like den9 said, they're easy to aim & shoot and are far more effective at stopping someone then a handgun will be.

[012.5RS]

my question is do you live in a single family dweling or a townhouse/apartment setting? if u live in a townhouse/apartment prob not best to be shooting a shotgun in doors. :) also idk if insurance will cover the damage u do to your own stuff that your trying to protect when u damage that as well. I'd look at a handgun and look at a company called extreme shock for ammo. Its what i carry. Wont go through bodies or walls. when it his soft tissue it mushrooms like a hollowpoint. many SWAT teams in the country use them. There is also a youtube video show what they can do. trust me a decent hit with one of these in either .40 or .45 will put someone down, and if u got good enough aim to hit a vital organ it will put them down for good. They shoot a 275lb bull(IIRC) with a .45 and with one hit it drops.

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=nPgcVhENbos

[6 beats 8]

Gun show this weekend 1/17 & 1/18 at the Armory on Southampton & The Blvd. I'll be there Saturday!:mrgreen:

[OMGz Turbo]

Gun show this weekend 1/17 & 1/18 at the Armory on Southampton & The Blvd. I'll be there Saturday!:mrgreen:

Seen the AD the other day driving ill def be hitting it up.

BTW havent posted in here but got a tanfoglio TA90 the other day and i love it.

[6 beats 8]

H&K USP .40 , Para Ordnance .45 , Ruger SP101 .357 wheel gun here. I carry one or the other frequently. Also an Ak-47, SKS, and a Remington Wingmaster 12 guage.

[Buster]

I live in a town house so a hand gun would probably be best. My thing is though I would rather never have to use it.

[012.5RS]

I live in a town house so a hand gun would probably be best. My thing is though I would rather never have to use it.

true, but its better to be prepared and never have to use it than not be prepared and have the need to use it.

[Jeffros Spec V]

I just picked up one of these

1939 Tula Mosin Nagant
http://www.thedolk.com/M38/M38_001.jpg

[Jeffros Spec V]

I don't ever plan on carrying. I'm also looking into a gun safe.

I said that until I could!
edit: Picture was huge!

[6 beats 8]

AWSOME rifle! the SS was scared as hell of that gun!

[Jeffros Spec V]

AWSOME rifle! the SS was scared as hell of that gun!

For the price they are unbeatable! Going to the gun show tomorrow to see if I can get a new bolt so I can mount a cool scope.
I just ordered 440rounds of 7.62x54R! Can't wait!

[6 beats 8]

For the price they are unbeatable! Going to the gun show tomorrow to see if I can get a new bolt so I can mount a cool scope.
I just ordered 440rounds of 7.62x54R! Can't wait!

I'll be at the show as well

[cmr076]

the roommate just picked up this little jem. GSG5 .22 pistol :) were taking it to the range tomorrow to play with it

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/CIMG0836.jpg
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/CIMG0837.jpg

[Talon5spd90]

I have a Bushmaster M4 style rifle, 5.56. Looking into getting a Sig 220 when I get home in a few months so I dont feel naked from not carrying anymore.

[den9]

I live in a town house so a hand gun would probably be best. My thing is though I would rather never have to use it.

ur better off with a shotgun, just get a 20 gauge with buck shot, i wouldnt worry about the rounds going through walls, a handgun will have a better chance going through a wall because there is a really good chance you will miss the bad guy, with the shotgun you wont have that problem because its extremely easy to aim. plus like i said the site and sound of a shotgun is scary enough. i always wanted to see what birdshot would look like when it hit someone in the face, that should wound someone without penetrating through walls.

[poolmike]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-45

[abrok99]

i haz a bb gun lol.

its a daisy grizzly 840 and is more than what i need it for. and i dont need it for anything lol

[enigma]

http://p-tc.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/Article/Index/article/Drop-200-pounds-fast-t-shirt-multiple-colors-4075617#

I found this shirt to be very amusing.
But anyway, I might be heading down to firing line or targetmaster tomorrow, if anyone is interested.

[012.5RS]

i really wanna get a dragunov, anyone have one? if so opinions and review would be great.

[redline]

Help TST, I am taking the German hunting course and want to invest in a one of kind European hunting rifle, must be bolt action and 30 cal. variant.

I am looking for a big game rifle that is exclusive to Europe and sold in the .30 caliber, I prefer the 30-06 because the ammo can be found anywhere but would settle for anything. Post up guys!

[den9]

Help TST, I am taking the German hunting course and want to invest in a one of kind European hunting rifle, must be bolt action and 30 cal. variant.

I am looking for a big game rifle that is exclusive to Europe and sold in the .30 caliber, I prefer the 30-06 because the ammo can be found anywhere but would settle for anything. Post up guys!

for a european gun your gonna dish out some serious cash. i know you can get a browning BAR that are made in belgium but its semi auto. another really nice rifle is a browning a bolt, but they are made in japan now. all these new brownings are being made in the wsm (winchester short magnum) rounds, i dont know why but apparently they are effiecient and a little more accurate, but cost 2 bucks a round. what do u plan on hunting? the most popular big game bullet in america is a 30-06. .270 is nice too, a 7mm magnum is alittle bit more powerful and a .300 winchester magnum is very powerful and accurate and could take down a moose no problem.

i dont know much about european rifles, but i can name alot of 10,000 dollar shotguns.


the only one i can think of, not sure how much this cost but im sure its atleast 2 thousand
mauser
http://www.mauserwaffen.de/Rifles.61.0.html?&L=1



http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/family.asp?webflag_=001B&catalog_=B

unless u just want some fancy gun, id go with a remington 700 or winchester model 70, really good guns and u wont mind getting them beat up.

[blkZ06]

newest member of the family

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1196.jpg

[redline]

I made up my mind on my rifle. I am going with a CZ 550 Euro-spec (ordered from the Czech Replubic) in 30-06.

Druckjagd means press (drive) hunt.
http://www.frankonia.de/shop//_/search/550/start/2/view/product/window/1/sort/norm/isortiment/CZ/so/all/search.html

I was convinced by fellow hunters here to outfit it with a Schmidt & Bender 3.5-12x56 illuminated reticle scope! Well hell, this damn scope (used) costs more than the damn rifle but they convinced me I need it for night hunts for wild boar, etc.

[WKderF]

posts got lost in the forum fixes, so here are pics of my new Sig Sauer P250 9mm:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n302/wkderf/DSC00245.jpg


and what it looks like disassembled with the Fire Control Unit removed:

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n302/wkderf/DSC00246.jpg

[den9]

what kind of bullets are they? i never seen flat 9mm bullets like that, only .40

[ITSTOCK]

newest member of the family

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1196.jpg

Just curious, but why didn't you go with the classic? And nice gun, my opinion aside.

[WKderF]

what kind of bullets are they? i never seen flat 9mm bullets like that, only .40

those are Federal Premium tactical 9mm rounds. They are Expanding Full Metal Jacket (EFMJ). ill let Federal explain the details:

"An ideal choice for agencies that don't permit hollow point ammunition, this revolutionary barrier-penetrating design combines a scored full metal nose over an internal rubber tip that collapses on impact. It never fills with barrier material and assures expansion on every shot. A lead core at the base maintains weight retention. Also an ideal personal defense option."

[1988 Olds]

I love that Sig but it was just to much money for me. I picked up a SW9VE last week. Price was right and the gun fits good in my hand. We defiantly got to set up a shooting date. Where do you guys go around here?

[Ski10804life]

how about a red rider hahaha

[PhillySVT]

damn....my post got deleted. Class 3's not allowed?

[Archie]

i love guns

[ITSTOCK]

damn....my post got deleted. Class 3's not allowed?

They were lost during the site update, lots of posts were.

[350 INCH 95]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/jelaten/DSC03385.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/jelaten/DSC03383.jpg

So far all I have is my Springfield XD9 Service, I'm gonna have to get a sub-compact one soon too.

[350 INCH 95]

just picked up my permit today, walked out in 45 minutes, i thought it would take 2 weeks.

I was suprised how easy it is in PA to get a permit, I was pissed I put 4 quarters in the meter outside the courthouse. About 20 minutes inside. Other states make you take courses and a long wait.

[den9]

I was pissed I put 4 quarters in the meter outside the courthouse.

geez i know times are tight but i didnt know they were that bad
















































:mrgreen:

[KrautFed20V]

I was suprised how easy it is in PA to get a permit, I was pissed I put 4 quarters in the meter outside the courthouse. About 20 minutes inside. Other states make you take courses and a long wait.

it's all different by county in PA some you have to take it to the local PD etc, others you walk in with nothing but cash and walk out with a permit...

[350 INCH 95]

I was at the local PD for 5 minutes... then about 20 in the Montco court house.

[WKderF]

i decided to head to Classic Pistol tomorrow (sunday) in the afternoon to put some more rounds through my new P250, figured I would post up here to see if anyone else was interested in going?

[WKderF]

just a heads up for anyone who doesnt know: this weekend is the valley forge gun show. the show runs through tomorrow. info can be found at:


www.valleyforgegunshow.com

[07NHBPCivicSi]

just bought a new holster

http://www.comp-tac.com/images/G19%20Minotaur%20New%20Clips.jpg

[ITSTOCK]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5168/winchester2pl6.jpg

I have had the comp-tac Mtac for a while now, EXCELLENT choice (the picture from above is from a previous post).

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

http://by128w.bay128.mail.live.com/att/GetAttachment.aspx?tnail=0&messageId=4c6e9a7e-dba2-4d12-b130-7dbbc01ce315&Aux=4|0|8CB77E4AEFDBCC0|
my first time shooting a gun....ever. 9 mm at 50 yards. apparently i did good??

[The Captain]

my first time shooting a gun....ever. 9 mm at 50 yards. apparently i did good??

i love you?

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

i love you?

is that good? lol everyone said it was but i didn't know if they we're trying to make me feel like i didn't suck my first time lol.

[dragonfly2k3]

Ok. So I know i cant buy a handgun before i turn 21, however, if a parent gifts it to me, is it registered to me or them? Also, what do you guys thing of the sw 40gve and the springfield xd 40? I really dont want to go any smaller than a 40 but am unable to go look at a federally liscensed dealer due to being 20.

[07NHBPCivicSi]

Ok. So I know i cant buy a handgun before i turn 21, however, if a parent gifts it to me, is it registered to me or them? Also, what do you guys thing of the sw 40gve and the springfield xd 40? I really dont want to go any smaller than a 40 but am unable to go look at a federally liscensed dealer due to being 20.

it would be registered to ur parents, meaning u cant transport it anywhere, and caliber means nothing if you cant hit the target

[240sxDann]

So what would you guys suggest for a first time gun owner looking to carry? I'll be turning 21 in a month, and I want to get my license to carry, but I'm unsure of what to get. I DO HAVE experience with guns, just thought I would throw that in there. Probably not nearly as much as a lot of you guys in here, but I know how to safely handle a fire arm, etc. Any suggestions?

On another note, I find it absolutely hilarious how they make it so you can start carrying a gun and start drinking at the same time, LMFAO!

[07NHBPCivicSi]

for something carry wise, i would say nothing full size buy a sub or full compact....and really whatever make of gun you like. caliber wise its up to you, if your accurate with a 45mm or a 357 round do it! but i like to carry 9mm for accuracy but thats my preference, everybody is different.

[blkZ06]

People like to talk about "stopping power" with .45s and big caliber guns, if your a crappy shot then it doesn't matter what kind of lead your throwing down range. I would say get a 9mm, you can get compacts and subcompacts that still carry plenty of rounds instead of getting a bigger caliber gun that if you don't practice with it can be harder to keep on target and doesn't have as much lead in the mag.

Again people talk about stopping power from big rounds but if you drill someone with a couple rounds of 9mm odds are they are not gonna be in the best of shape. Remember the first accurate shot ends the fight, if you can't hit what your shooting at all your doing is making noise.

This is what I carry daily, Glock 23 .40cal 13rd mag and one in the pipe, LaserMax and magazine extension

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_0624.jpg

[ITSTOCK]

Ok. So I know i cant buy a handgun before i turn 21, however, if a parent gifts it to me, is it registered to me or them? Also, what do you guys thing of the sw 40gve and the springfield xd 40? I really dont want to go any smaller than a 40 but am unable to go look at a federally liscensed dealer due to being 20.

There is no registration in PA.

Your parent/grandparent can gift a handgun to you at 18 with no paper trail.

If you live in another state, I'm of no help. My best advice would be to try different calibers in different frame sizes, makes, and models, and decide what gun you want from there. Don't limit yourself to .40.

[dragonfly2k3]

So how do i proceed when going to get my liscense to carry later? The gun isnt registered at all? Also, I am certainly not limiting myself to a .40, but I have massive hands and am going to almost need to get something fullsize(xl/xxl glove size). Being that I would like to get a fullsize and do ALOT of range shooting i figured a .40 is a good place to start looking. I do like the larger round, and i feel as though in a fullsize the trade off of capacity is worth it.

[blkZ06]

you go to your local sheriffs dept and apply for it

side note, came across a deal today so picked this stuff up

Double Star AR15

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1200.jpg

Polytech AK (Almost Kalashnikov) 47

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1198.jpg

Couple rounds of 7.62

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1199.jpg

[dragonfly2k3]

if you dont mind me asking, what does the ar-15 go for?

[blkZ06]

ARs MSRP is around 1000ish but with everyone scared of Obama laying bans down prices are way up and lots of places are sold out entirely. Look to pay 1400-2000+ for an assault rifle now.

The AK47 goes for 1000 also, in the world of AK copies the Polytech is one of the better ones. I got them both for a steal im going to sit on them and see if new sale bans are actually set up if they do their worth is going through the roof.

[Xavier]

So what would you guys suggest for a first time gun owner looking to carry? I'll be turning 21 in a month, and I want to get my license to carry, but I'm unsure of what to get. I DO HAVE experience with guns, just thought I would throw that in there. Probably not nearly as much as a lot of you guys in here, but I know how to safely handle a fire arm, etc. Any suggestions?

On another note, I find it absolutely hilarious how they make it so you can start carrying a gun and start drinking at the same time, LMFAO!

Dann, check out a local Sportsmans club. They usually offer some sort of learning courses.

[Glick]

I just got my first carry gun and my concealed permit a little while ago. I got a Bersa Thunder .380 as my carry gun. Not really sure what I will get next. It's an awesome carry gun though.

[probevette]

So how do i proceed when going to get my liscense to carry later? The gun isnt registered at all? Also, I am certainly not limiting myself to a .40, but I have massive hands and am going to almost need to get something fullsize(xl/xxl glove size). Being that I would like to get a fullsize and do ALOT of range shooting i figured a .40 is a good place to start looking. I do like the larger round, and i feel as though in a fullsize the trade off of capacity is worth it.

If you are going to shoot a lot pick yourself up a nice 9mm. They are cheap to shoot. For defense rounds throw in Hydra-shock's or HST's and after 16 rds you will neutralize most threats. I know you said you wanted a .40 for a "full size" but if looking into the springfield XD lineup no matter if its an xd 9 sc/40 sc or xd 9/40 service or tactical the guns are all the same size. The only thing that changes are mags and barrels. With the sub compacts no matter caliber you have a shorter barrel/slide and shorter grip. The service is longer grip and 4" barrel. The tactical is a 5" barrel.

[probevette]

So what would you guys suggest for a first time gun owner looking to carry? I'll be turning 21 in a month, and I want to get my license to carry, but I'm unsure of what to get. I DO HAVE experience with guns, just thought I would throw that in there. Probably not nearly as much as a lot of you guys in here, but I know how to safely handle a fire arm, etc. Any suggestions?

On another note, I find it absolutely hilarious how they make it so you can start carrying a gun and start drinking at the same time, LMFAO!

Find a range near you that rents guns. This way you can try a few different guns and get a feel for what you like.

[blkZ06]

Got my new ACOG

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1205.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1206.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1207.jpg

Hopefully get it sighted in tommorrow

[The Captain]

Sick.

Question for those of you with your Concealed, do you carry it around loaded?

[bjc26]

Sick.

Question for those of you with your Concealed, do you carry it around loaded?

You will hear/see a lot of different opinions on this one. I'm assuming you mean carry with a round chambered, I would hope the firearm is loaded, otherwise it is just an object to throw at some one.

Personally I always carry with one "chambered".

[Shoolig]

Looky looky at what I got.
(sorry for the lousy iPhone picture)
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/bigolbastitch/DE.jpg

Longest slide action I've ever used.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/bigolbastitch/chamberde.jpg

[The Captain]

You will hear/see a lot of different opinions on this one. I'm assuming you mean carry with a round chambered, I would hope the firearm is loaded, otherwise it is just an object to throw at some one.

Personally I always carry with one "chambered".

yeah that's what i meant.

Damn, i'd just feel so weird having one ready to go.

[07NHBPCivicSi]

yeah that's what i meant.

Damn, i'd just feel so weird having one ready to go.

i always carry, and i always carry with one chambered

[Jeffros Spec V]

Depends where I'm going if I carry one chambered or not.

I usually do.

[Archie]

yea same here, at first i didnt but it made the most sence to carry with one in the chamber. took me a couple days to get comfortable with it. also if you think its more dangerous for the user to carry in the chamber, its a gun. its dangerous period!

[1988 Olds]

I'm still carrying without one chambered because my gun has no exteral safety but the more I think about it probably makes sense to have on chambered being that seconds count alot in the situations you'd would most likely pull the gun out.

[Bane]

13 in the mag and 1 in the pipe always

[ndubz]

Got my new ACOG

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1205.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1206.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1207.jpg

Hopefully get it sighted in tommorrow

Ok first off, I just wanna say that is baller as hell.

But I have to ask you, why on earth could u possibly need that type of a gun?

Are u a cop or a soldier or do u just like guns? or what. Because I can see no purpose in needing to have anything more than a pistol or a shotty for protection.

Just wondering....please dont shoot me (especially with that) lol

[blkZ06]

There is no purpose for the guns I own, I live in a really nice safe suburban neighborhood

I just think guns are ****ing cool, so I enjoy owning and shooting them

They are like the Z, totally unnecessary but I wanted to do it, so I did it

[ndubz]

Damn I feel sorry for the poor **** who decides to break into ur house. Thinking he'll scare u with a pistol. Then u bust down on him with one or more of ur assault rifles. Damn. How do u even get the permists to own an assault rifle. Because that's just way more than anyone would need to simply protect their home.

[DaveSTi]

Got my new ACOG

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1205.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1206.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1207.jpg

Hopefully get it sighted in tommorrow

badass, i love the sig 556 and want to get one myself.

so far here's what i have:
http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/776/13565/264935.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/776/13565/264936.jpg

Synthetic 870 for home.

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/776/13565/273657.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/776/13565/266033.jpg
XD .40 3" sub-compact

I want to get an XDm in .45 whenever they come out, and of course that Sig 556.:cool:

[den9]

Damn I feel sorry for the poor **** who decides to break into ur house. Thinking he'll scare u with a pistol. Then u bust down on him with one or more of ur assault rifles. Damn. How do u even get the permists to own an assault rifle. Because that's just way more than anyone would need to simply protect their home.

there is no need for a permit to buy an assault weapon, as long as its not fully automatic atleast. not sure about nj though. most people with ar-15s and such dont even use them for protection, a shotgun will be more deadly in your house than a rifle. the reason why most people have assault rifles are because they are fun to shoot, its just a hobby for most.

[DaveSTi]

Damn I feel sorry for the poor **** who decides to break into ur house. Thinking he'll scare u with a pistol. Then u bust down on him with one or more of ur assault rifles. Damn. How do u even get the permists to own an assault rifle. Because that's just way more than anyone would need to simply protect their home.

You don't use an "assault rifle" to guard your home. It'd be silly, you'd wreck the place. A shotgun is really all you need for that.

Most own one for the hobby, go shooting at the range, and to exercise their dwindling 2nd amendment right.

[Jeffros Spec V]

Bane, I must have missed it.

You carry 9mm or something bigger? I know philly cops are now allowed to carry bigger than 9mm. e

[Bane]

My duty weapon is a Glock 23 .40 and that is also my personal weapon I carry off duty. Lots of depts are .40 a couple like Upper Darby are .45 and PSP carry .45s

[07NHBPCivicSi]

You don't use an "assault rifle" to guard your home. It'd be silly, you'd wreck the place. A shotgun is really all you need for that.

Most own one for the hobby, go shooting at the range, and to exercise their dwindling 2nd amendment right.

yo dude a shotgun will devastate ur house, unless u shoot a slug which is just as dumb for home defense

[Shoolig]

yo dude a shotgun will devastate ur house, unless u shoot a slug which is just as dumb for home defense

Depends what kind of shot you are using. Buck shot would tear up your home, but, pretty much anything else wouldn't do more than leave little holes everywhere. A .223 would tear **** up and go through several walls, including exterior ones... causing lots of expensive damage.

[ndubz]

Can u buy rubber or bean bag shotgu rounds? because once i have a house, depending on where it is, i may want a gun. But at the same time, if something did happen, Id rather not kill someone unless they were legit trying to hurt me and my family, and not just take our stuff. Also using non lethal rounds would prevent any of my own family from accidentally getting killed if i thought they were a robber (a tragic situation that has happened many times). Id like to use non lethal as a primary method (cuz that **** will still put someone down and give me control of the situation), and have a pistol and some real shotgun shells as a secondary and to keep the bad guy down once he had been stopped by the non lethal round. And I still get the intimidation factor of a shotgun. U know, pull out the pistol and say "that one wouldn't kill u but this one will so stay tha **** down and keep ur hands where i can see them". then id call the police and the perp would face trial. Also id probly have a katana as well just in case of close combat with armed bandits. (yes I have put alot of thought into this lol) :mrgreen:

[07NHBPCivicSi]

Depends what kind of shot you are using. Buck shot would tear up your home, but, pretty much anything else wouldn't do more than leave little holes everywhere. A .223 would tear **** up and go through several walls, including exterior ones... causing lots of expensive damage.

o yea ur 100% right, but you would have a great story to tell when your friends and family come over haha

[07NHBPCivicSi]

New Gun
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3419/3394429597_765890c138.jpg

[Archie]

what is it?

[Jeffros Spec V]

what is it?

Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm Sub

[240sxDann]

So I was looking at Glocks. Are they any good? I know they have a hugely popular name, but again, I don't know much about them. I was looking at the G19, the compact 9mm, anybody have experience with them? The price doesn't seem to be half bad, and I wouldn't mind paying for a good quality product. Like someone here said before, a bigger cal isn't gonna do any good if you can't hit the target, and there are more then enough rounds to put someone down in that 9 lol

[240sxDann]

Also, do you actually carry your gun in a holster on you, or just keep it in your car for example?

[Jeffros Spec V]

So I was looking at Glocks. Are they any good? I know they have a hugely popular name, but again, I don't know much about them. I was looking at the G19, the compact 9mm, anybody have experience with them? The price doesn't seem to be half bad, and I wouldn't mind paying for a good quality product. Like someone here said before, a bigger cal isn't gonna do any good if you can't hit the target, and there are more then enough rounds to put someone down in that 9 lol


Like others have said before. Go to a range that rentals guns and try a few out. Everybody has a glock but I hate how they feel.

Different guns suit people differently.

[07NHBPCivicSi]

Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm Sub

its actually a 40SW

[1988 Olds]

Also, do you actually carry your gun in a holster on you, or just keep it in your car for example?

It all depends. I would get your permit to carry and keep it on you when you want to. I would never just leave my gun in my car for any reason.

[dragonfly2k3]

Ndubz, you are ****ing retarded. non lethal rounds are still lethal when used incorrectly, and the fact that you have exact quotes planned out and how you're going to feel so badass make me wonder if you are mentally fit to own a firearm. A katana? are you serious?

Bane, do you purchase your own ammunition? Is it department supplied? Are you allowed to carry a personal firearm if you dont like the issue? I know for awhile alot of police officers were complaining about their department supplied firearms/ammunition and not being effective enough.

[07NHBPCivicSi]

Ndubz, you are ****ing retarded. non lethal rounds are still lethal when used incorrectly, and the fact that you have exact quotes planned out and how you're going to feel so badass make me wonder if you are mentally fit to own a firearm. A katana? are you serious?

Bane, do you purchase your own ammunition? Is it department supplied? Are you allowed to carry a personal firearm if you dont like the issue? I know for awhile alot of police officers were complaining about their department supplied firearms/ammunition and not being effective enough.

u cant change ur duty weapon(in the city dnt know about other counties), but u can carry whatever you want off duty

[DaveSTi]

Can u buy rubber or bean bag shotgu rounds? because once i have a house, depending on where it is, i may want a gun. But at the same time, if something did happen, Id rather not kill someone unless they were legit trying to hurt me and my family, and not just take our stuff. Also using non lethal rounds would prevent any of my own family from accidentally getting killed if i thought they were a robber (a tragic situation that has happened many times). Id like to use non lethal as a primary method (cuz that **** will still put someone down and give me control of the situation), and have a pistol and some real shotgun shells as a secondary and to keep the bad guy down once he had been stopped by the non lethal round. And I still get the intimidation factor of a shotgun. U know, pull out the pistol and say "that one wouldn't kill u but this one will so stay tha **** down and keep ur hands where i can see them". then id call the police and the perp would face trial. Also id probly have a katana as well just in case of close combat with armed bandits. (yes I have put alot of thought into this lol) :mrgreen:

:bigeek:

[DaveSTi]

o yea ur 100% right, but you would have a great story to tell when your friends and family come over haha

:lol: it'd also make hanging shelves/pictures a little bit easier...house would be pre-drilled.

[DaveSTi]

so does anyone know who has some .40 s&w in stock? I just bought the last white box that my local walmart had. shelves have been bare in .40 and 9mm lately whenever i stop in.

[07NHBPCivicSi]

so does anyone know who has some .40 s&w in stock? I just bought the last white box that my local walmart had. shelves have been bare in .40 and 9mm lately whenever i stop in.

go to cabelas..... or any gun range

[Bane]

ndubz....what

[dragonfly2k3]

ndubz....what


LOL. Im not sure if this is a joke at his grammar or his intelligence, but either way it is hilarious. hahaha.

[1988 Olds]

so does anyone know who has some .40 s&w in stock? I just bought the last white box that my local walmart had. shelves have been bare in .40 and 9mm lately whenever i stop in.

Yeah pretty much beat unless you get there the day of or right after they get thier shipment in. Bristol Walmart had probably 20-25 boxes of 9mm ammo one day. I bought one box and told me friend, he went they next morning and they were out so it's a hit or miss kinda deal. There is other places to buy it like gun stores or Cabela but I assume like me your trying to save money.

[DaveSTi]

Yeah pretty much beat unless you get there the day of or right after they get thier shipment in. Bristol Walmart had probably 20-25 boxes of 9mm ammo one day. I bought one box and told me friend, he went they next morning and they were out so it's a hit or miss kinda deal. There is other places to buy it like gun stores or Cabela but I assume like me your trying to save money.

yup, exactly. the range isn't that much more expensive but i'd rather not pay their premium for something i can buy at wally world...just gotta time it right i guess :)

[redline]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1207.jpg

Hopefully get it sighted in tommorrow

Nice scope, I just ordered my Meopta Meostar 3-12X56 Illuminated Reticle 4C from Eurooptics, front focal and everything. Cant wait to bolt it to my CZ and go hunting at night for wild boar! I passed on the Trijicon and Nightforce but they are great optics, tell me how it performs at night if you have a big enough objective lens.

Just incase you guys are looking for quality optics at an unbeatable price! he's also Military.

http://www.eurooptic.com/

Exact scope

http://www.eurooptic.com/Meopta/product~description~Meopta_Meostar_3-12x56_RD_4C_Matte_Black_Rifle_Scope.htm

[DC2.2GSR]

i've checked walmart in bechtelsville every day for about a weeks and a half now and i have yet to see a single box of 9mm, .40s&w, or .45ACP. i went to Seneca arms in Green Lane a few days ago and he had a few boxes of each, but he said they'd all probably be gone by the end of the day. unfortunately it's only going to get worse.

at Seneca, he also had RRA and Stag AR15 lowers in stock and i was seriously tempted to pull the trigger on one of those. (pun intended haha)

[dragonfly2k3]

I wish I had money for more firearms.

[den9]

who doesnt, i wish i had money to even buy ammo for the guns i have now

[bastid]

Depends what kind of shot you are using. Buck shot would tear up your home, but, pretty much anything else wouldn't do more than leave little holes everywhere. A .223 would tear **** up and go through several walls, including exterior ones... causing lots of expensive damage.

This is where frangible ammo comes in handy. Once it hits something hard, the bullet fragments and virtually disintegrates. Not on all surfaces, but it's way more sensible.

Outside of that, one of the primary steps in situational awareness after ID'ing your target is ID'ing what is behind them. Generally speaking, you know where people are in your house and you also know which walls and shooting angles potentially expose neighboring houses.

[dragonfly2k3]

A shot inside is way more reasonable. It will break glass items and leave holes in the drywall. Generally speaking, you wont be very far from your target inside, and even target load will stop someone from 20ft away. I would much rather cause damage in my home, then potentially cause death in someone elses home.

[lordoc22]

I just got my license to carry and picked up a little .22 to carry. I've been doing a lot of of research about what caliber is best to carry and all that, and I know what people say about the .22lr. However, after putting 100 rounds through the gun the day I bought it I realized some things. Before this all I had for self defense was my hands. At 10-15 yards I'm grouping at least 7 rounds in the second to smallest circle. So I'm pretty sure if someone were attacking me with anything other than a gun I will be better off than nothing. Plus my theory is if I did have a higher caliber, and the other person had a gun of any kind it would be even harder because there's the added stress of trying not to get shot

[DC2.2GSR]

a properly placed hit with a .22 will do more damage than a miss with a .50BMG

personally though, i'd carry something with a little more punch than a .22, but that's just me. if you're good with the gun and are comfortable carrying it then you're right in saying it's better than just your hands.

in any case where you're getting shot at - regardless of caliber - it's going to be stressful. it can all be avoided though if you've had the proper training and have prepared yourself mentally. this was recently posted over on the PAFOA forum... take the time to read it, it's worth it.

Bulletproofing the Mind - A Must For Every Concealed Carrier (http://www.killology.com/art_buckeye.htm)

[Bane]

it can all be avoided though if you've had the proper training and have prepared yourself mentally

no it can't

[DC2.2GSR]

ehh, i guess i should have said "a lot of it" instead of "all". what i meant was that both physical and mental preparedness (as it explains in the article i linked to) can make you a lot cooler under pressure and help you get the job done. with no training whatsoever, you could just end up like a quivering bowl of jello if you end up in a situation instead of having the presence of mind to react properly. again, that article explains perfectly how one prepared guard reacted properly to a situation and two other armed men did nothing. for them, having a concealed firearm did nothing to help the cause. they were lacking the mental preparedness.

[den9]

no it can't

your right, but u can avoid getting shot at by being smart and not doing dumb things, like walking around the ghetto at night.

if its your job i guess its not really avoidable



oh yeah if you like trap shooting come down to the fairless rifle and pistol club in fallsington on mondays at 6 to 9

$4.50 gets you 25 shots, bring your own shells and gun.

[Bane]

well just go with if your trained you stand a better shot of dealing with a situation

[den9]

and 95x more of a chance of getting shot at

[Bane]

I'm just referring to the being in a shoot situation, not about getting or not getting yourself into the situation

[ndubz]

ndubz....what

Dont worry it was just a thought.

Forget guns, Katantas are much better for close range, and wont leave holes in my walls.

[den9]

they are hard to unholster in hallways

[DC2.2GSR]

Forget guns, Katantas are much better for close range, and wont leave holes in my walls.

:bigeek: wow.

i really can't figure out if anything you post is serious.

[Renegade_]

Despite the stupidity 3 posts above...

My friend picked up a springfield XD-9 the other day and damn, does that have a nice trigger action. The trigger/safety combo makes for an interesting combo but it feels good.

[1988 Olds]

Walmart in Fairless Hills has 9mm, .40, and .45 in stock.

[den9]

Despite the stupidity 3 posts above...

My friend picked up a springfield XD-9 the other day and damn, does that have a nice trigger action. The trigger/safety combo makes for an interesting combo but it feels good.

the trigger on the xd irritates my finger, dunno why but the glock doesnt. the owner of the gun agreed too, any1 else think so?

[probevette]

Not at all. I love my Xd's trigger

[dwl137]

I've never had an issue with the trigger on my XD9.

[Jeffros Spec V]

I've also have never had a problem with my xd trigger.

[den9]

weird, must of been his gun or something because we both had a problem.

[Khellen]

the trigger on the xd irritates my finger, dunno why but the glock doesnt. the owner of the gun agreed too, any1 else think so?

I can understand what you are saying. I've shot probevette's XD and it did feel quite a bit different then my glock 17......my glock does have a competition trigger though. I guess that's probably an unfair comparision.

[Khellen]

So I was looking at Glocks. Are they any good? I know they have a hugely popular name, but again, I don't know much about them. I was looking at the G19, the compact 9mm, anybody have experience with them? The price doesn't seem to be half bad, and I wouldn't mind paying for a good quality product. Like someone here said before, a bigger cal isn't gonna do any good if you can't hit the target, and there are more then enough rounds to put someone down in that 9 lol

Glocks are great guns. My family has the glock 17 and I just purchased a glock 34 last week. Very light, very accurate, very simple. Great starter gun, the 17 is an amazing gun for the price imo.

[den9]

I can understand what you are saying. I've shot probevette's XD and it did feel quite a bit different then my glock 17......my glock does have a competition trigger though. I guess that's probably an unfair comparision.

i think it was the safety thing on the trigger, maybe it was poking my finger tip when the gun was recoiling, not too sure, it wasnt bad enough where it would keep me from buying the gun.

[Renegade_]

I don't know if they changed the design or whatnot, but the trigger was pretty soft and I didn't have an issue with it. It didn't bother me the least. I need to get my concealed carry permit soon - then for a handgun. I've shot a Glock 12, XD-9, and a S&W 1911, albeit briefly. I really still want to fire a USP before I make a choice as I have heard good things. Anyone own one?

[blkZ06]

Couple pics of some new additions courtesy of KCR

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1338-1.jpg

Genuine AK sling
Tac AR sling
Tube extension for my 12 gauge

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1339.jpg

ACE Soft case with mag pouches
5 Lancer transparent mags

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1340-1.jpg

Some ammo :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1341-1.jpg

And my baby

NCStar 8X24-33
K-Tac grip/bipod
K-Tac rail

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1342.jpg

Brought the M1 out from retirement

M1 Carbine Paratrooper Edition

Thats right I role Desperado style in the guitar case

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1346.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/IMG_1347.jpg

[ndubz]

Damn dude, u have one hell of a collection. Enough fire power to wage a small war.

[blkZ06]

when the Zombies come, im gonna be ready

I have a list of "will own" weapons, im about 1/4 of the way there

Side note, anyone have a cool weapon they have held/shot?

Ive shot machine guns and whatnot but probably the coolest gun ive ever held was a genuine Wells Fargo stage coach 1800s 12 gauge. You know the term riding shotgun, yea this gun is where that came from, gun had bodies on it. I almost bought it but I didnt have that much cash on me, if its still there come this fall its mine.

[Khellen]

when the Zombies come, im gonna be ready


Speaking of being prepared for the zombie invasion....

http://pazrt.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1

Take a look at the PAZRT gear, it's pretty awesome haha.

[blkZ06]

If anyone knows anywhere local selling a Spas-12 let me know

[den9]

when the Zombies come, im gonna be ready

I have a list of "will own" weapons, im about 1/4 of the way there

Side note, anyone have a cool weapon they have held/shot?

Ive shot machine guns and whatnot but probably the coolest gun ive ever held was a genuine Wells Fargo stage coach 1800s 12 gauge. You know the term riding shotgun, yea this gun is where that came from, gun had bodies on it. I almost bought it but I didnt have that much cash on me, if its still there come this fall its mine.

was it a gun for protecting money?

how much was it going for?

[blkZ06]

Yea guys would ride along with the Wells Fargo stage coaches with it for protection. Guy was asking 5600 for it.

[phate1229]

I envy all of you, I can barely support my car addiction, can't afford to start another one.

[ITSTOCK]

If anyone knows anywhere local selling a Spas-12 let me know

I forgot to check today, but Claytons used to have one. The things an overweight piece of junk in my opinion, but it is a cool "just because" shotgun. I'd stick with your Benelli LONG before the SPAS. Why not get an M3 or M4 instead?

And I picked up a nice 1911 today, STI Lawman...


http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/1911porn008.jpg

And with my WWII Colt...

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/1911porn009.jpg

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/1911porn001.jpg

http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/svh19044/1911porn003.jpg


The FN SCAR should be here in another month or so (it's already been 6 months, what's another one or two :o )

[blkZ06]

Ill give Claytons a call tommorrow see if they still have it

Its just a cool ass shotgun I think my buddy had one and I loved shooting it, I dont really NEED any of my guns they are all just because so if I can track one down I would like to add it to my collection.

That 1911 is sweet thats on my to own list, I want a hardballer too