The official TST I like guns thread.

[schaffer]

saw at least 2 more m&p shields on PAFOA.

[Reds82]

yeah you're right, I keep forgetting about that. If you can't tell, I don't use them. lol. I guess they'd still be the least expensive though compared to most private ranges.

Easton Fish and Game is really nice and very reasonably priced at $30 per year after a $30 initiation fee, but still it's only 100 yds. I think that's the case with most anywhere close to this area.

Ontelaunee has out to 300yds they are like 30 bucks a yr. there are a bunch of gun clubs in my area with 100 yd. Guthsville is nice 60 to start 30 there after nice little club. Most clubs around here are pretty easy to join as long as your polite and dont act up. Only ones that are hard to join are the ones with private land to hunt on then you usually need to know a member personally before they even look at you.

[99corvette]

I need to find a outdoor range that allows full auto use. New Holland is a very nice range, the president is a asshole tho. other then that its a great range to shoot at.

[cmr076]

steves range does i think, there was a guy there with some other class 3 stuff last time we went..its ridge valley rod and gun.

[99corvette]

Just checked out their website. Didn't see any info on there about full auto use. Sucks because I pretty much have to drive 3 hours to my hunting property or have a friend that has property to shoot on.

[cmr076]

Just checked out their website. Didn't see any info on there about full auto use. Sucks because I pretty much have to drive 3 hours to my hunting property or have a friend that has property to shoot on.

the place seemed pretty deserted when we were there. are you shooting pistol or rifle calibers?

[99corvette]

the place seemed pretty deserted when we were there. are you shooting pistol or rifle calibers?

Both, Hk sear with host guns.

[cmr076]

i would PM steve, svickstc on here and ask him, im sure he would take you as a guest too before you join, plus its cheap as hell!

[hammtheman]

Well i took DC2.2GSR advice and took the drive down to targetmasters. i have to say he was right that was the best gun shop/gun range i have ever been to. they were super professional. i took down my Ruger P95dc and shot about 100 rounds through that working on getting a better grouping from 7-10 yards along with my grip. i was squeezing the grips and trigger instead of locking my wrists and an easy pull on the trigger. my groupings did get tighter but the sights need to be adjusted a bit. i think next time i plan on taking tools to try to zero it in a little.

While i was there i rented 5 different subs compacts and compacts. First i started out with the Ruger LC9 and the Smith and Wesson M&P 9C. I only shot about 2 mags through the LC9 and i wasnt impressed and didnt like it. Grips felt weird and it wanted to kick really hard. The S&W felt really really good the sights were way off i was shooting center mass and it wasnt even on the outline of the person. i was on the outer edge of the target. i shot again to see if it was just me. Same thing happened. so i held about the same distance away from center on the opposite side and bam center mass one shot after another. felt better then my own ruger right now. I shot about 40 rounds through that gun and liked it the more i shot it. i took those guns back and rented the Springfield XDM-9, Ruger SR9, and the mighty Glock 19. i didnt opt for the 26 because it was just to uncomfortable when i held it side by side with the 19. The Ruger SR9 jammed after every other shot so i only shot about 4 rounds through it. didnt feel right anyway. The Glock shot really really well, but the size is just to big to carry for me. I shot the XDM last and it felt really really good. had a decent cluster at 7-10 yards

So now im stuck in a hard place. I need to decide if i want the XDM or the M&P. i do like that the XDM comes with the range mag, 5 different back straps, and the holster. just need to look at what i find a better deal on first i guess. sorry for writing so much lol

[InfiniteMotors]

Sadly, you can't gauge reliability using a rental pistol. Even at a nicer place like targetmaster, rest assured that those rentals are rarely or never cleaned and offer a poor example of what ownership would be like.

I have plenty of examples but too lazy to type today.

[hammtheman]

i understand that i just couldnt put more rounds through it cause i have to constantly clear the jam. i just couldnt focus

[DC2.2GSR]

Well i took DC2.2GSR advice and took the drive down to targetmasters. i have to say he was right that was the best gun shop/gun range i have ever been to. they were super professional. i took down my Ruger P95dc and shot about 100 rounds through that working on getting a better grouping from 7-10 yards along with my grip. i was squeezing the grips and trigger instead of locking my wrists and an easy pull on the trigger. my groupings did get tighter but the sights need to be adjusted a bit. i think next time i plan on taking tools to try to zero it in a little.

While i was there i rented 5 different subs compacts and compacts. First i started out with the Ruger LC9 and the Smith and Wesson M&P 9C. I only shot about 2 mags through the LC9 and i wasnt impressed and didnt like it. Grips felt weird and it wanted to kick really hard. The S&W felt really really good the sights were way off i was shooting center mass and it wasnt even on the outline of the person. i was on the outer edge of the target. i shot again to see if it was just me. Same thing happened. so i held about the same distance away from center on the opposite side and bam center mass one shot after another. felt better then my own ruger right now. I shot about 40 rounds through that gun and liked it the more i shot it. i took those guns back and rented the Springfield XDM-9, Ruger SR9, and the mighty Glock 19. i didnt opt for the 26 because it was just to uncomfortable when i held it side by side with the 19. The Ruger SR9 jammed after every other shot so i only shot about 4 rounds through it. didnt feel right anyway. The Glock shot really really well, but the size is just to big to carry for me. I shot the XDM last and it felt really really good. had a decent cluster at 7-10 yards

So now im stuck in a hard place. I need to decide if i want the XDM or the M&P. i do like that the XDM comes with the range mag, 5 different back straps, and the holster. just need to look at what i find a better deal on first i guess. sorry for writing so much lol

When I said that FCO's rentals were never cleaned, I should have said that all rentals at all shops are well used and not usually cleaned, but FCO's guns make other shops' rentals look like they're brand new. lol. I should have also mentioned that the few times I've shot rental guns I've always broken them down and quickly wiped and re-oiled them before shooting. It only takes a few seconds to break down the gun, another few to wipe critical areas and then just drip some oil onto the barrel and the contact points on the slide and the gun will be clean enough to be reliable.

My advice would be to go again and this time narrow it down and maybe only shoot the M&P and the XD next to each other. Add one more different gun as another comparison if you want, but really focus on the two that you liked before. If you have concerns about the sights, let them know at the counter and see if they'll drift the rear sight a little for you and get it shooting straight.

[hammtheman]

yeah i def wanna go back and shoot the two but it was so packed last night at like 8pm all the lanes were full and the store had the counters swamped. it gave me a better idea what im looking for. i really did dig the the xdm i felt better in my hand for sure. just havent read up on the springfield at all. which im doing now lol

[hammtheman]

just bought this today for 375. its basically brand new. had under 500 rounds put through it. hope to go to the public range this weekend and put some ammo through it.

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt71/hammtheman/IMAG0202.jpg

[DC2.2GSR]

^ Nice!

I just went with my friend to buy that M&P Shield that I sent you the link to. I have to say that even though I love my 40C, after handling it tonight for quite a while I'm 100% sold on the Shield for carry, especially in the summer with just a t-shirt on. I've been tossing around some ideas for a while now and I think I'm going to pick up the next one I see come up for sale.

[Bizee]

big difference in the size between the m&p vs the xd .40? worth making the swap if you already have a xd? havent seen a m&p in person, by spec it just looks lighter..

[DC2.2GSR]

I've never seen an XDS in person, but I just found this via Google.. it compares it side by side with a Shield:http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/143741-xds-45-vs-m-p-shield-9mm-comparision-photos.html

[Bizee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5InRpEkPHQ

this is a good comparison video i found

[Big_Jim]

Hey guys. I was looking around Slickdeals, and I found this thread:

Open Box Gun Holsters on clearance at Amazon Warehouse Deals (http://slickdeals.net/f/5324288-Open-Box-Gun-Holsters-on-clearance-at-Amazon-Warehouse-Deals)

Hope someone can use this deal.

[hammtheman]

just ordered a crossbreed supertuck and talon grips. hoping to take the gun to the public range this weekend to put some ammo through it. now looking at my next purchase. couple of my buddies picked up ar15s. thinking of picking one up second hand possibly

[99corvette]

Damn man I thought you was really looking forward to this thing.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

Damn man I thought you was really looking forward to this thing.

i was, but im selling it to finally get something that ive wanted for even longer than this one. (but its twice as much money $$$).... MP5sd (see pic below) its a SBR with an internal suppressor (gonna be a lot more than the CA89K, and require a 6 month wait, lots of time and paperwork, and two $200 NFA tax stamps ($400 total to the man). i also had the CA94 keeping me busy (the rifle mp5 version) and never even shoot this one.

mp5 SD Suppressed and SBR'd
http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab314/snowcat1k/P1010030-1.jpg

[99corvette]

Very nice upgrade. Suppressed mp5 rocks, my last class 3 transfer took 7 months. Hope you get yours back sooner.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

Very nice upgrade. Suppressed mp5 rocks, my last class 3 transfer took 7 months. Hope you get yours back sooner.

yeah ive never done anything with NFA/class iii, but im super hyped!!!!!! but its not even gonna be serial numbered or ready from the builder to file the paper work until the end of December, so that when the paper work can be sent in. I HATE WAITING!!!!! prob looking at june or jully to finally get it.

but i do have a 89k PDW "sbr" with folding stock and K grip in the process of being custom built right now (should be done by the end of the month) so i can send the paper work in for them in a few weeks. so we will see. i just need my coharie CA89K sold other wise im not sure how im going to pay for all this....lol.

im sure it will sell and will be worth it once i get these approved and in my hands, it will make shooting so much more fun.

[schaffer]

yeah ive never done anything with NFA/class iii, but im super hyped!!!!!! but its not even gonna be serial numbered or ready from the builder to file the paper work until the end of December, so that when the paper work can be sent in. I HATE WAITING!!!!! prob looking at june or jully to finally get it.

but i do have a 89k PDW "sbr" with folding stock and K grip in the process of being custom built right now (should be done by the end of the month) so i can send the paper work in for them in a few weeks. so we will see. i just need my coharie CA89K sold other wise im not sure how im going to pay for all this....lol.

im sure it will sell and will be worth it once i get these approved and in my hands, it will make shooting so much more fun.

might as well spend another 200 and get the FA trigger group.

[99corvette]

might as well spend another 200 and get the FA trigger group.

Can't make a post 86 machine gun unless your a sot. Only way he can run them full auto if he buys a sear/trigger pack that's been registered before 1986 or becomes a sot.

[99corvette]

yeah ive never done anything with NFA/class iii, but im super hyped!!!!!! but its not even gonna be serial numbered or ready from the builder to file the paper work until the end of December, so that when the paper work can be sent in. I HATE WAITING!!!!! prob looking at june or jully to finally get it.

but i do have a 89k PDW "sbr" with folding stock and K grip in the process of being custom built right now (should be done by the end of the month) so i can send the paper work in for them in a few weeks. so we will see. i just need my coharie CA89K sold other wise im not sure how im going to pay for all this....lol.

im sure it will sell and will be worth it once i get these approved and in my hands, it will make shooting so much more fun.

Nice who are you having build these if you don't mind me asking.

[SvicksTc]

i haz tin foil hat

[CANNIBALOFDOOM]

Might be picking up a stag model 2 tomorrow. pretty pumped

[lifeinacave]

Took off the ****ty Barska scope that came with the Mossberg .308 ATR 100 i got a few months back and replaced with a Leupold. Shot a way better group with it at 100 yards. Ready to slay a buck next month.

[~Brian~]

Considering selling the XDM and picking up an Sig 229 in .40. Thoughts?

[DC2.2GSR]

Considering selling the XDM and picking up an Sig 229 in .40. Thoughts?

I loved mine. It was sort of an impulse buy and I ended up selling it after a few months to buy something else. If I remember correctly I think you actually shot that one at Classic Pistol. It was a great gun but I just had no real reason to own it so I got rid of it. I would actually be sort of interested in finding one again, I really liked shooting it.

[Munky]

I liked my P229 but it just sat in the safe the entire time. Too heavy/bulky to carry compared to my other guns and too nice/expensive to EDC because I was always worried about smacking it into things. Shot great though but I sold it for more ammo & another Kimber UCII. :D

[~Brian~]

I loved mine. It was sort of an impulse buy and I ended up selling it after a few months to buy something else. If I remember correctly I think you actually shot that one at Classic Pistol. It was a great gun but I just had no real reason to own it so I got rid of it. I would actually be sort of interested in finding one again, I really liked shooting it.

Yep, I did... Loved the feel of it and the way it shot.

I liked my P229 but it just sat in the safe the entire time. Too heavy/bulky to carry compared to my other guns and too nice/expensive to EDC because I was always worried about smacking it into things. Shot great though but I sold it for more ammo & another Kimber UCII. :D

Well I use my Kimber UCII as an EDC and it is comparable in cost/aesthetics to the 229. Took me a while to get used to banging it up, but eventually I got over it.

Still haven't decided whether I want to use it as a daily carry, mostly because it is a larger gun.

Anybody have a line on a cheap one?

*edit- also, what should go with another .40 or bump down to 9mm?

[schaffer]

Yep, I did... Loved the feel of it and the way it shot.



Well I use my Kimber UCII as an EDC and it is comparable in cost/aesthetics to the 229. Took me a while to get used to banging it up, but eventually I got over it.

Still haven't decided whether I want to use it as a daily carry, mostly because it is a larger gun.

Anybody have a line on a cheap one?

*edit- also, what should go with another .40 or bump down to 9mm?

Kimbers are cheap...on the grand scheme of 1911's Im sure you'll get your money out of it, or already have.

[DC2.2GSR]

I would go with a .40 if you're carrying it but a 9mm if it's mostly for the range.

I've been gravitating toward 9mm lately because of cost. I was actually talking to a guy last week about buying a W. German P226 in 9mm but he has backed off a little, I think he wants to keep it. I'd like to find an older west german non-railed P226 or P229 in 9mm that I can throw some Elite parts into and refinish and make a nice range gun out of. I'd also get the .22LR conversion just so that I could shoot a lot more.

[~Brian~]

Kimbers are cheap...on the grand scheme of 1911's Im sure you'll get your money out of it, or already have.

Well my spending power is limited since I'm a college student, so for the money, I feel that a Kimber is a very nice gun to have as an EDC.

Mike, I was thinking the same thing about the .40 vs the 9mm. Ultimatlely, I would like to have the Elite version, but as of now, I don't want to spend that much money on a handgun. And if I was going to spend that much, I would put it towards an AR.

As much as I like the Sig, I will probably hold off on it for a while. I like the UCII for an EDC and I don't see myself putting it back in the safe for the Sig.

I do want a 9mm though, mostly because it is a lot cheaper to shoot. I guess I'm back to looking at the P30. Been drooling over it for years now, maybe it's time I finally get one.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

might as well spend another 200 and get the FA trigger group. Can't make a post 86 machine gun unless your a sot. Only way he can run them full auto if he buys a sear/trigger pack that's been registered before 1986 or becomes a sot.
exactly! but i do plan on eventually saving up and getting a registered sear to make it full auto (they usually come with the trigger pack), that way it can be swapped to different hosts.

its a 3 position 3 trigger pack with the FA filed down (i dont even think it will allow to switch, but even if it does it will be semi). but

Nice who are you having build these if you don't mind me asking.

DJ Getz Firearms (out of Slatington, PA). He has great reviews from people all over the country (i will be writing one up soon). he does great work, heres the details of one of the ones that i have on order, which will be filed for SBR the day I pick it up.

89K-PDW 9mm Rifle model, you will not "want" for anything. We "loaded" it with all the bells & whistles.
Specs as follows:
1. 3 lug Stainless steel threaded 1/2x32 "Navy" fluted barrels (12 flutes)
2. Billet Bolt Head (Identical to HK F Style)
3. Tungsten filled full auto carrier (billet)
4. Roller tipped paddle release
5. New one piece mag catch
6. New 30 round mag finished in Sodium Nitride
7. Ambi 3 position FBI Pictograph Lower
8. ESSL (Extended safety selector lever) Left side
9. New Stainless Steel Correct mp5 hammer
10. Choate Side Folding stock
11. "K" style verticle front grip
12. Correct castle style mp5k style drum on rear site
13. Stainless Steel recoil rod and ends
14. Metal Cocking tube support (stainless steel, blackened)
15. Pinned-on Faux Suppressor

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab314/snowcat1k/P1010082.jpg

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab314/snowcat1k/P1010074.jpg

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab314/snowcat1k/P1010078.jpg

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab314/snowcat1k/P1010072.jpg

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab314/snowcat1k/P1010073.jpg

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab314/snowcat1k/P1010071.jpg

http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab314/snowcat1k/P1010076.jpg

[99corvette]

Haha small world, my brother bought his reverse stretch from dj. I saw he's doing new builds on hkpro. Good guy to deal with. My buddy Sean bought a bunch of stuff from him too. If your in the market for a sear/pack do it soon man prices have been going up like crazy lately.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

Haha small world, my brother bought his reverse stretch from dj. I saw he's doing new builds on hkpro. Good guy to deal with. My buddy Sean bought a bunch of stuff from him too. If your in the market for a sear/pack do it soon man prices have been going up like crazy lately.

yeah man, he is a good guy! id love to get a registered sear, but cant find any. and the ones i do find seem like they are so over priced its crazy!!!!!!! what kind of prices have you been seeing?

[99corvette]

yeah man, he is a good guy! id love to get a registered sear, but cant find any. and the ones i do find seem like they are so over priced its crazy!!!!!!! what kind of prices have you been seeing?

Everyone I see posting them are 15k to 18k for a sear. I believe registered dlo packs are selling for 17500. I bought my sear in a Hk51 about 3 years ago for 12k(gun included), which was a very good deal. I found a older s&h mp5 with a registered sear for 15k a little bit over a year ago for my brother.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

Everyone I see posting them are 15k to 18k for a sear. I believe registered dlo packs are selling for 17500. I bought my sear in a Hk51 about 3 years ago for 12k(gun included), which was a very good deal. I found a older s&h mp5 with a registered sear for 15k a little bit over a year ago for my brother.

Yeah, that's what I'm seeing them for lately (about 17.5k). I wish I could find one for around 12k, I'd buy it today! Where do you look? The only sites I've been looking at is hkpro, gunbroker, and sturmgewehr.... Any other recommended places? It would be nice to buy from a class III dealer on PA, but I can't find any that have them.

[99corvette]

Yeah, that's what I'm seeing them for lately (about 17.5k). I wish I could find one for around 12k, I'd buy it today! Where do you look? The only sites I've been looking at is hkpro, gunbroker, and sturmgewehr.... Any other recommended places? It would be nice to buy from a class III dealer on PA, but I can't find any that have them.

Those are all the places I look as well. I got my Hk51 with a flemming sear off of gunbroker which ended up being a instate transfer.

[CANNIBALOFDOOM]

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m176/cannibalofdoom/2012-10-19173743.jpg
and so it begin
I know people have posted about it before but whats some good sites for bulk ammo?

[~Brian~]

So who else stocked up on ammo today? lol

*edit- I'm not skilled at finding skilled cheap ammo websites... can anybody find me a site/good deal on Hornady .35 Remington LeverEvolution?

[Munky]

I stocked up yesterday :lol:

[drifty240]

I stocked up yesterday :lol:

I roll my own....:wiggle:

[HaveBlue83]

http://ammoseek.com/?gun=rifle&cal=113&grains=55&mfg=14&keywords=&sortby=price

you are all welcome ;)

nice AR! KISS carbine. learn to shoot, then add some magpul stuffs, then an optic, yay $1,500! lol

[~Brian~]

http://ammoseek.com/?gun=rifle&cal=113&grains=55&mfg=14&keywords=&sortby=price



Nice, thank you!

[Reds82]

So who else stocked up on ammo today? lol

*edit- I'm not skilled at finding skilled cheap ammo websites... can anybody find me a site/good deal on Hornady .35 Remington LeverEvolution?

good luck with that its a great caliber but sometimes forgotten

[empera]

Is it tough to get a copy of my Record of sale slip? (sp 4-113). Thought i left it in the case after the purchase was done but thinking i might have left it in my wallet before it was stolen for later storage.

[DC2.2GSR]

Is it tough to get a copy of my Record of sale slip? (sp 4-113). Thought i left it in the case after the purchase was done but thinking i might have left it in my wallet before it was stolen for later storage.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=512&objID=4451&&PageID=462391&level=2&css=L2&mode=2

Looks like it's pretty easy, just takes a few weeks to get processed.

[empera]

looks like only dealers are able to request it? Shouldn't be an issue going to the shop i got it from and asking them. Unless i missed something there...

[Munky]

I roll my own....:wiggle:

:mad::finga::furious:

[Got Insulin?]

Shot an AK this weekend for the first time.

Despite that, it was a good day.

[CANNIBALOFDOOM]

ok ive been looking at a bunch of different red dots and reflex and such anyone find anything half decent for under $100 possibly up to $150. It would just been a range shooter so it doesn't need to withstand the end of times or super long battery life just somthing half decent that takes basic movements. Am i looking too into this? just get somthing cheap should work

[DC2.2GSR]

ok ive been looking at a bunch of different red dots and reflex and such anyone find anything half decent for under $100 possibly up to $150. It would just been a range shooter so it doesn't need to withstand the end of times or super long battery life just somthing half decent that takes basic movements. Am i looking too into this? just get somthing cheap should work

Primary Arms Micro Dot is the only "knock off" inexpensive sight that I'd put on any rifle. Some say the Bushnell TRS-25 is pretty damn close, but I hear the PA Micro is better. I'm sure either would work fine for a range toy.

[hammtheman]

just got my crossbreed supertuck for my xd and i must say its quite comfy and with a baggy shirt you cant even see a thing. just waiting on my carry permit to get approved by norristown.

[schaffer]

ok ive been looking at a bunch of different red dots and reflex and such anyone find anything half decent for under $100 possibly up to $150. It would just been a range shooter so it doesn't need to withstand the end of times or super long battery life just somthing half decent that takes basic movements. Am i looking too into this? just get somthing cheap should work

learn to shoot the irons first.

[CANNIBALOFDOOM]

already have atleast at 50 yards

[~Brian~]

just got my crossbreed supertuck for my xd and i must say its quite comfy and with a baggy shirt you cant even see a thing. just waiting on my carry permit to get approved by norristown.

Even with a fitted t-shirt, you still won't be able to see anything. Most of my shirts are tighter and even when I was carrying the full size XDm, it still disappeared for the most part with that holster.

Enjoy man!

[schaffer]

My supertuck works pretty well. Usually can't get away with a super tight shirt. Then again I'm fat.


If anyone is interested in a Glock 22,I'm selling mine to buy a other gun. 450 with less than 1000 rds through it. Near mint condition. Will throw in some 40 ammo for the right deal.

[DC2.2GSR]

New toy :mrgreen:

I already took a Dremel to it and undercut and smoothed the trigger guard. The Pro Series already has an upgraded trigger parts so the sear and trigger bar only needed a bit of polishing to finish it off and it feels a lot nicer. I'm holding off on stippling it until I decide on a pattern. I really likes my 40C, but I think I'll do something different this time.

And yes, Dave, I switched to 9mm after all. :o

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/mlyons_5871/492534E9-D849-43EE-8B6F-953C823EEC12-1940-00000204F254EBA6-1.jpg

[HaveBlue83]

ok ive been looking at a bunch of different red dots and reflex and such anyone find anything half decent for under $100 possibly up to $150. It would just been a range shooter so it doesn't need to withstand the end of times or super long battery life just somthing half decent that takes basic movements. Am i looking too into this? just get somthing cheap should work

after looking at EOtech's, aimpoints and TA33 ACOG's I walked away with an H-1 for pure simplicity.

GO with the PA mentioned red dot if you must go budget. I blew $600 on a tiny optic, and I am glad I made the plunge. I also cannot BELIEVE I spent $600 on a red dot optic. It's TITS tho. like, absolutely tits.

[SHOdude]

I bought a mini crossbow, its bad ass.

[Bizee]

getting rid of my xd .40 and getting xds .45 today. :)

[CANNIBALOFDOOM]

after looking at EOtech's, aimpoints and TA33 ACOG's I walked away with an H-1 for pure simplicity.

GO with the PA mentioned red dot if you must go budget. I blew $600 on a tiny optic, and I am glad I made the plunge. I also cannot BELIEVE I spent $600 on a red dot optic. It's TITS tho. like, absolutely tits.

yeahs i didn;t want to drop 600 on a red dot cause i know if i keep looking in time i will and lov e it but regret it hahaa

\Just bought a stark grip def feels nice in my hand can't wait to shoot it

[cmr076]

New toy :mrgreen:

I already took a Dremel to it and undercut and smoothed the trigger guard. The Pro Series already has an upgraded trigger parts so the sear and trigger bar only needed a bit of polishing to finish it off and it feels a lot nicer. I'm holding off on stippling it until I decide on a pattern. I really likes my 40C, but I think I'll do something different this time.

And yes, Dave, I switched to 9mm after all. :o

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/mlyons_5871/492534E9-D849-43EE-8B6F-953C823EEC12-1940-00000204F254EBA6-1.jpg

Learning quickly young skywalker :-p

I bought a mini crossbow, its bad ass.

:bigeek:

getting rid of my xd .40 and getting xds .45 today. :)

Good move :mrgreen:

[DC2.2GSR]

Learning quickly young skywalker :-p

...

haha yeah yeah. Believe me, the only reason is cost of ammo. .40S&W is just too expensive to kill paper with, and 45 is even worse. I do like the gun a lot though. I've been pretty busy so I hope I can make some time to hit the range in the next few days.

[cmr076]

haha yeah yeah. Believe me, the only reason is cost of ammo. .40S&W is just too expensive to kill paper with, and 45 is even worse. I do like the gun a lot though. I've been pretty busy so I hope I can make some time to hit the range in the next few days.

Steve and I were just talking about hitting his club up before it gets too cold, ill let ya know when.

[Bizee]

getting rid of my xd .40 and getting xds .45 today. :)

paused last minute..stuck between shield and xds. ive read a ton of opinions, got to really play with the xds but only got to hold the shield for a moment.

my only hang up on the shield honestly is the thumb safety. i like the feature of sprinfield grip safety n no thumb safety.

i also would rather stay at a smaller cal so its easier to get back on track after first shot if need be. and with the xds its only a 5+1 (unless extended grip which isnt for me)

shield would also be cheaper to put rounds through than a .45 thats for sure.

ive read alot of feedback etc, personally talked to someone who has both and loves each..reaching out here to see if anyone has anything they can add for me..

[DC2.2GSR]

As much as I hate thumb safeties, it's really no big deal on the Shield. I've had a pretty solid amount of time messing around with my friend's new Shield and that was my number one concern. It's so small and partially recessed into the frame that it makes it difficult to engage accidentally. Add in the fact that it's somewhat tough to engage anyway just by the design of the thing and it really makes it almost a non-issue. I would just leave the safety off and holster like that. I'd also just check it by feel periodically when carrying just to make sure it's still off. With a good holster though you shouldn't get very much unintended movement and it will probably never engage if you don't want it to.

[cmr076]

Thumb safeties are the only kind I can deal with. On the 1911, with enough drawing practice you can disengage while bringing the gun from a holster in a draw movement.. Becomes second nature actually

[kunt_masha]

anyone have a .22 AR?


I started putting together a spikes .223 but keep eyeing up the Colt and S&W .22's as a good and CHEAP practice gun.




....Plus it would be sweet for the apocalypse.

[DC2.2GSR]

Thumb safeties are the only kind I can deal with. On the 1911, with enough drawing practice you can disengage while bringing the gun from a holster in a draw movement.. Becomes second nature actually

Thumb safeties are great on 1911s where they're actually a very important part of the gun's design, but that's the only place they belong in my opinion. It's completely unnecessary on a striker or DA gun, especially on a carry gun. It's just one more thing to worry about under pressure. Having a safety to worry about on a 1911 is fine because it must be there, but on other styles of guns it's just useless.

Just yesterday I had a conversation with some idiot at a friend's house who was mexican carrying a Ruger SR9 without a holster, just the safety on. When I mentioned (delicately) that he was an absolute f**king moron for doing so, he instantly brought out my most hated one liner - "nah man, it's fine, the safety's on." :mad: It's a crutch, nothing else.

[HaveBlue83]

anyone have a .22 AR?


I started putting together a spikes .223 but keep eyeing up the Colt and S&W .22's as a good and CHEAP practice gun.




....Plus it would be sweet for the apocalypse.

do ANY 1/9 twist 5.56/.223 barrel and use the CMMG .22lr kit. mine likes to retain the same zero @ 25M as my rifle rounds do = training plus. ALSO you can easily get a .22lr supressor for 1/2-28 and to that route as well for FULL Zombie readiness.

I have shot my CMMG kit on my 10.5'', 16'' middy and my 20" with NO issues. like none. Mines just the regular kit, not the fancy evo kits with bolt hold open and assist options. Get the SS ones! easier to clean.

1/9" can handle like 40-62grn. I always use 55, unless its Xtac and thats 62.

[schaffer]

The cmmg kit is like 170 bucks online. Comes with 2 26 round mags. Kinda hard to beat.

[VETTE_50_TH]

Anyone interested in a practically new M&P40C? Comes with a holster and 50 rounds of HST. Mint condition

[DC2.2GSR]

So I took the new M&P9 Pro to the range for the first time tonight. First shot ever - dead center through the X at 7 yards :mrgreen: With the following 17 shots I blew out the entire 10 ring, every hole touching the last. I can't believe how nice that gun is to shoot. The trigger, the full size grip instead of my old compact, just everything. I'm very happy with it. The 124 grain Speer Gold Dot +P that I got to carry feels pretty close to .40S&W recoil-wise but the 115 grain target stuff is sooooo soft, I love it. I was afraid that I'd miss my 40C but not at all. I can't wait to shoot again. I'll be buying a full case of 9mm ASAP so I can really hammer this thing :supz:



And for your entertainment, here's a crappy iPhone video of my friend shooting his new Century C39 tonight at Clayton's. Keep in mind that the fire ball is that large with a flash hider. It's not exactly an "indoor friendly" gun. lol.

Now I'm pissed at myself for getting rid of my Draco. :mad:

http://vid59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/mlyons_5871/th_FF6106D6-8A40-4C3E-8D17-69943B8FB252-2816-0000022D4BC90B6A.jpg (http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/mlyons_5871/?action=view&current=FF6106D6-8A40-4C3E-8D17-69943B8FB252-2816-0000022D4BC90B6A.mp4)

[HaveBlue83]

i WANT a Draco to SBR....but century.....BUT I want one with a sidefolder or something. perfect truck gun. I wish i got one when they were $350. now they are like $550.

[schaffer]

Anyone interested in a practically new M&P40C? Comes with a holster and 50 rounds of HST. Mint condition

dont buy that, buy my glock, its way better.:mrgreen:

[DC2.2GSR]

i WANT a Draco to SBR....but century.....BUT I want one with a sidefolder or something. perfect truck gun. I wish i got one when they were $350. now they are like $550.

My plan was to SBR my Draco with a side or underfolder but I obviously didn't get around to it. I had the check written, fingerprints done, signature on paper, everything. I bought mine for $350 off the shelf at a local shop and sold it a few months later for $600. Now you really can't touch one for under $600. I only sold mine because I needed money and I figured I'd sell because I was almost doubling my investment. Ultimately that's what I really want to do AK-wise. I really don't like full size anything but certainly not AKs.

That C39 he's shooting is basically just a higher end milled receiver version of the Draco. It's incredible how nice that thing is for an AK, absolutely nothing like the pure junk that Dracos are. It's actually a very solid gun, much more worth it to SBR that rather than a sh*tty Draco. lol

[cmr076]

Full size ak's shoot soooo much better than under folders and dracos. I agree an under folder is cooler but they shoot like **** and are uncomfortable as ****!

[DC2.2GSR]

Full size ak's shoot soooo much better than under folders and dracos. I agree an under folder is cooler but they shoot like **** and are uncomfortable as ****!

The underfolders definitely aren't very nice to shoot a lot, it would be more of a "because it's cool" gun with an underfolder on it. To be honest, I would have gone (and still might go) with a Draco SBR'd using an Ace side folder mechanism and an AR stock, the full Ace side folding stock itself, or maybe even a VZ58 folder.

The general idea behind "I don't like full size anything" is just that, I really don't like anything about 16" and over barrels on rifles unless they're precision guns. I can't stand the look of standard ARs, AKs, or anything else you could build or buy. For me it's either an SBR or it's ugly and awkward. lol.

[cmr076]

The underfolders definitely aren't very nice to shoot a lot, it would be more of a "because it's cool" gun with an underfolder on it. To be honest, I would have gone (and still might go) with a Draco SBR'd using an Ace side folder mechanism and an AR stock, the full Ace side folding stock itself, or maybe even a VZ58 folder.

The general idea behind "I don't like full size anything" is just that, I really don't like anything about 16" and over barrels on rifles unless they're precision guns. I can't stand the look of standard ARs, AKs, or anything else you could build or buy. For me it's either an SBR or it's ugly and awkward. lol.

I'm kinda with you, a side folder would be cool. I just HATE the wire under folder I had on mine, shot it twice and basically gave it away (I actually think I DID give it away to my buddy Jon)

[HaveBlue83]

I had a vector underfolder. HATEDDDDD shooting it. Sold it for that reason alone.

[99corvette]

Side folder is the way to go, my arsenal when not folded you can't even tell its a folding stock. Nice and tight no play what so ever.

[PapaMunkey]

Anyone interested in a practically new M&P40C? Comes with a holster and 50 rounds of HST. Mint condition

Sure am.. info, price, pics.. hit me up on pm?

[schaffer]

Going shooting with the gf later,my buddy and his gf. Haven't shoot since qualifications two months ago.


Maybe I can convince my buddy to trade me for his Glock 19

[cmr076]

My girl said she's buying me a new gun... Budgets $1000... Suggestions? I've had just about every non NFA gun on the face of the earth EXCEPT an hk... I really loved Steve's usp 45 and was driving nails with it so THATS at the top of my list

[schaffer]

My girl said she's buying me a new gun... Budgets $1000... Suggestions? I've had just about every non NFA gun on the face of the earth EXCEPT an hk... I really loved Steve's usp 45 and was driving nails with it so THATS at the top of my list

If you want it and have an opportunity to get it,get it.

[lifeinacave]

My latest hunting endeavors taking with my Remington 1100 autoloader 12g.18844

[99corvette]

My girl said she's buying me a new gun... Budgets $1000... Suggestions? I've had just about every non NFA gun on the face of the earth EXCEPT an hk... I really loved Steve's usp 45 and was driving nails with it so THATS at the top of my list

Can't go wrong with a Hk

[~Brian~]

Dave, get a P30 V3

[schaffer]

My buddy is offered me his gently used m&p9 for 350. Thinking about jumping on it.

[DC2.2GSR]

Do it, that's a great price. Someone listed one on PAFOA the other day for $350 and I almost bought it. I guess it would be pretty pointless to have two though. lol

[schaffer]

Do it, that's a great price. Someone listed one on PAFOA the other day for $350 and I almost bought it. I guess it would be pretty pointless to have two though. lol

I might. I've been trying to unload my Glock 22 for a 19 just to get back to 9mm and haven't been able to find a buyer. Ill need to buy a new duty holster too.

[cmr076]

Ok guys, I am not accepting donations for this little lady:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317389820

[99corvette]

Ok guys, I am not accepting donations for this little lady:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317389820

I had a chance to buy one of these a year ago at auction. Didn't buy it because my buddy wanted it and ended up getting it. Paid 2300. It's a badass weapon.

[cmr076]

I had a chance to buy one of these a year ago at auction. Didn't buy it because my buddy wanted it and ended up getting it. Paid 2300. It's a badass weapon.

That's a hell of a return if it goes for 5k! I had a psl and never shot it :( that was the closest I got.

[99corvette]

I know, once my buddy said he was going to bid on it I didn't want to go against him.

[99corvette]

Should be putting a lot of rounds down range next weekend when my brother and I go upstate for deer hunting. Picked up 1000 rounds of federal 9mm 147 grain. Should be nice and quiet on f/a with my trident 9 supressor.

[schaffer]

Should be putting a lot of rounds down range next weekend when my brother and I go upstate for deer hunting. Picked up 1000 rounds of federal 9mm 147 grain. Should be nice and quiet on f/a with my trident 9 supressor.


palmetto state had a sale for 8.99 per 50 of 9mm, good deal on a 1000 right now. 19 bucks for shipping.

[ivory rx8]

Where do you guys sell your used guns, I have a few toys I'm trying to sell to get back into a nice 1911...

[cmr076]

^ pafoa has always been good to me..

I picked this up an hour or so ago, I was in the market for a USP45 but couldn't find a deal on a used one, I did the whole "buy ridiculous guns just because" and am now focusing on caliber consolidation, plus I've been wanting a 92 forever as military friends taught me how to shoot years back and swore by them, I picked her up at Clayton's for what I think is a good price... And it's a "made in Italy" version so the resale should hold from what I've seen.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/012fcf69247ae57e8e3934a3ad7005d0.jpg

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

+1 for http://forum.pafoa.org/classifieds-5/ being the best! I've bought and sold quite a few things on there. Always has tons of potential buyers and sellers. I've done much better on there than even gunbroker.com (but I still use gun broker too, but more for buying hard to find stuff or the occasional deal).

There's also Pennsylvania Zombie Response
http://www.pazrt.com/forum/forum-classifieds

And I go on http://www.hkpro.com/forum/ too, but that one is obviously more for hk related stuff

[ivory rx8]

Thanks fellas ill try those . If anyone knows someone looking for a gen4 g21 or a Wasr let me know!!!

[cmr076]

Info on wasr

[ivory rx8]

Century Arms, 700-800 rounds through her. Not a single malfunction.

18884

[ivory rx8]

^ pafoa has always been good to me..

I picked this up an hour or so ago, I was in the market for a USP45 but couldn't find a deal on a used one, I did the whole "buy ridiculous guns just because" and am now focusing on caliber consolidation, plus I've been wanting a 92 forever as military friends taught me how to shoot years back and swore by them, I picked her up at Clayton's for what I think is a good price... And it's a "made in Italy" version so the resale should hold from what I've seen.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/012fcf69247ae57e8e3934a3ad7005d0.jpg

I love mine. Iv bought several guns from Clayton's myself. Tom Clayton is a good guy

[schaffer]

i sold my glock 19 in about a week on PAFOA



ive had my .40 cal glocks up for 2 months....

[cmr076]

i sold my glock 19 in about a week on PAFOA



ive had my .40 cal glocks up for 2 months....

Off calibers will always take longer to sell :-p

[schaffer]

.40 was the new hotness.

[Munky]

Off calibers will always take longer to sell :-p

:rofl:

[CleanNeon98]

So I got my Raven Concealment Phantom holster and it's the bomb diggity. Awesome retention, quality, edges, look, finish, comfort, concaelability, everything. Get one!

And what's everyone's feeling on Assault Weapons Ban, Total gun ban, etc. now that Obama is here for round 2? Gonna happen? Impossible? Discuss plz

[99corvette]

Bigger question is if obama does ban guns/assault weapons who would they send to come get them ?

[SHOdude]

Bigger question is if obama does ban guns/assault weapons who would they send to come get them ?

Haha I'd love to see what happens when they send some mo mo to the wrong rednecks house. If that **** goes down it will get real in our country

[99corvette]

Did some shooting this pass weekend
Mp5 with trident 9 suppressor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rod2Aonnks
Mp5 unsuppressed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsVWvUbpY2g
My brother shooting my tromix saiga 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBgKjpLHQL4
Few rounds out of my sbr at15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NuMjwUvEE

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

Bigger question is if obama does ban guns/assault weapons who would they send to come get them ?

im not saying im one of these conspiracy theory guys or even believe this is gonna happen....

But if it were that would just be the foot in the door. the bigger fear would be Martial Law and The U.N. Small Arms Treaty (together or separate).

"IF" that was to happen.....
and our troops wouldn't do it or needed help, it would be the UN coming in and anyone else they choose to bring in with them, they would take ALL the guns. Shoot to kill upon any verbal or physical resistance. the problem is it wont just be guns they will be taking, they'll strip us of all our rights, and be able to do anything to us they want or make us do anything for them. they'd even have FEMA camps (concentration camps) set up here and full control over the people in every way. Our country would no longer be free and controlled by the people or even by our government. Our constitutional rights null and void and democracy would cease to exist.... our country would never be the same again.

Troops Ordered To Kill All Americans Who Do Not Turn In Guns
first 7 min goes over the written "state department plan" then some interviews and other topics with troops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyfkQkchlu4&feature=g-hist

American Gun Ban The UN Small Arms Treaty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEbLUoiLy_4&feature=g-hist

scary stuff :bigeek:

“When the government fears the people there is Liberty,
when the people fear the government there is Tyranny.”
― Thomas Jefferson

"America will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
― Abraham Lincoln

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is,
as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
― Thomas Jefferson

[Slo car]

^ wow that's scary.
I'm new to this section and since i now live in Pa and looking for a handgun does anyone think one of these would be a good first time handgun. Price is good for me, any input? Thanks

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Home/Concealed-CarryHome-Defense-Firearms%7C/pc/105625080/c/106838280/Smith-Wesson-Sigma-Series-Pistols/733705.uts

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Home/Concealed-CarryHome-Defense-Firearms%7C/pc/105625080/c/106838280/Smith-Wesson174-SDVE-Pistols/753244.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fhome-concealed-carry-home-defense-firearms%2F_%2FN-1104271%2B4294771243%2FNe-4294771243%3FWTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU

[~Brian~]

None of that will happen because it would essentially be voiding the 2nd Amendment, which simply can't happen.

[InfiniteMotors]

i now live in Pa and looking for a handgun does anyone think one of these would be a good first time handgun.


http://forum.pafoa.org/


Welcome. Start reading!

[Slo car]

http://forum.pafoa.org/


Welcome. Start reading!

Thank you for the link. I'll check that out.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

None of that will happen because it would essentially be voiding the 2nd Amendment, which simply can't happen.

i just read this posted from the NRA.....
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/28/thwarting-global-gun-grabbers/

i dont think its gonna happen with 80 million gun owners here and so many people not willing to lose our constitution and amendments & rights easily, but i think they might try. technically they have tried, there was just never a US president on board. all he need is to do is have the opportunity to replace one person on the supreme court and it our country will no longer have the gun vote. its never been this close, and Obama has put 2 horrible women in there that are huge anti gun, the votes have been 5-4 in pro gun favor. people are chosen in by the president and don't ever leave either. if one needs to be replaced in the next 4 years it wont be good.

[Renegade_]

I love how paranoid gun owners get when there's even a hint of gun control being whispered.

You know whats going to happen? ****all. Nothing. Nada. Guns as a source of violence doesn't have causal effect from their outright existence, its a social issue with scope varying depending on geographic location/social status... and the president knows that. Thats why **** ain't gonna change for people that aren't felons and own their guns legally. Unless your getting upset that you can't buy that full auto weapon you "need"... then that's your problem. I'll stick with my 1911, all I need.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

Did some shooting this pass weekend
Mp5 with trident 9 suppressor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rod2Aonnks


Nice!!!!! i wish i had extra money to blow to get a registered sear!!!!!! im waiting on paper work for 2 SBR HK custom builds (89k & sd) and 1 can for the SD. i cant wait, but that noting compared to the registered sear you have :prayer:

[99corvette]

Nice!!!!! i wish i had extra money to blow to get a registered sear!!!!!! im waiting on paper work for 2 SBR HK custom builds (89k & sd) and 1 can for the SD. i cant wait, but that noting compared to the registered sear you have :prayer:

Haha thanks man, the wait does suck. I'm still waiting on one can that I thought I would have by now. It sucks

[slowZ]

This might be a completely dumb question but I searched and I can't find a good answer but do ar15 or other assault rifles have to be registerd like handguns

[empera]

i think its only when they are under a certain size. not 100% sure on that but im sure someone will chime in with the knowledge.

[slowZ]

Yea that's the only answer I'm finding but thanks for the help

[DC2.2GSR]

This might be a completely dumb question but I searched and I can't find a good answer but do ar15 or other assault rifles have to be registerd like handguns

No.

First of all, there is no "registration" of any guns in PA whatsoever. The PA State Police keep a record of new gun sales, but not a registration. According to the PA Uniform Firearms Act it's actually illegal to keep a registry of firearms:

§ 6111.4. Registration of firearms.

Notwithstanding any section of this chapter to the contrary, nothing in this chapter shall be construed to allow any government or law enforcement agency or any agent thereof to create, maintain or operate any registry of firearm ownership within this Commonwealth. For the purposes of this section only, the term "firearm" shall include any weapon that is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.

(June 13, 1995, 1st Sp.Sess., P.L.1024, No.17, eff. 120 days)

Somehow the PA Supreme court ruled that the State Police database was legal, which is pretty messed up. Supposedly, it's legal because it's based off of new gun sales data only and is incomplete. Anti-gun groups talk about "loopholes" allowing criminals to get guns... hah, well there's a nice loophole that the Govt. uses to get around the law themselves. Surprising, right? :roll:

As for transferring ownership of firearms - handguns must be transferred through an FFL (gun shop), but even then it's not registered to any specific individual. Rifles and shotguns may be bought and sold and transferred between individuals without any paperwork or third party involvement at all. When you buy new rifles or shotguns though there are papers to fill out and a PICS background check.

Hopefully that helps.

[slowZ]

Yea I just found all that but I appreciate the help

[schaffer]

No.

First of all, there is no "registration" of any guns in PA whatsoever. The PA State Police keep a record of new gun sales, but not a registration. According to the PA Uniform Firearms Act it's actually illegal to keep a registry of firearms:



Somehow the PA Supreme court ruled that the State Police database was legal, which is pretty messed up. Supposedly, it's legal because it's based off of new gun sales data only and is incomplete. Anti-gun groups talk about "loopholes" allowing criminals to get guns... hah, well there's a nice loophole that the Govt. uses to get around the law themselves. Surprising, right? :roll:

As for transferring ownership of firearms - handguns must be transferred through an FFL (gun shop), but even then it's not registered to any specific individual. Rifles and shotguns may be bought and sold and transferred between individuals without any paperwork or third party involvement at all. When you buy new rifles or shotguns though there are papers to fill out and a PICS background check.

Hopefully that helps.


but what about short barreled rifles and shotguns?!?!

[cmr076]

but what about short barreled rifles and shotguns?!?!

Those need a tax stamp and have to be manufactured before the assault weapon ban. Totally different ball game.

[schaffer]

Those need a tax stamp and have to be manufactured before the assault weapon ban. Totally different ball game.

:wink: just making sure he didn't try and go buy a SBR from someone.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

but what about short barreled rifles and shotguns?!?!

Short barrel rifle (SBR) fall under NFA (nations firearms act) controlled by the ATF. and yes they require a $200 tax stamp, about 6 month wait, and if its not under a trust you need passport style photos, finger prints, and a sign off by yiur CLEO. Machine guns (Full auto) and Suppressors fall under NFA as well

[~Brian~]

What about adding a shorter barrel to an AR? Still need a stamp for that?

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

What about adding a shorter barrel to an AR? Still need a stamp for that?

Yes, you can turn a AR, AK, HK....ect pistol by adding a stock or rifle by cutting or replacing the barrel into a SBR. They will all require the full NFA process and stamp. See details below.....



Short-barreled rifle (SBR) is a legal designation in the United States, referring to a shoulder-fired, rifled firearm with a barrel length of less than 16 inches (40.6 cm) or overall length of less than 26 inches (66.0 cm). In the United States, an SBR is an item regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) as an NFA firearm. In the absence of local laws prohibiting ownership, American civilians may own an SBR provided it is registered with the BATFE, and a $200 tax is paid prior to taking possession of or creating the firearm.

[99corvette]

Me shooting my sbr ar15

http://imageshack.us/a/img717/2451/meshooting12312.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/meshooting12312.jpg/)

[2g Talon]

Just picked up another gun this past weekend. As usual I went into Targetmaster to glance around, and ended up leaving with a Remington 770 w/scope. Its a gorgeous weapon, but with a .270 round I have no idea where I can possibly shoot this without risking the lives of other people lol. Anyone have a nice huge plot of land somewhere with 100+ yards I can shoot? :D

[2g Talon]

a quick shot of the collection so far... pardon the dog, bitch didnt want to move for the picture rofl

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8247610158_11146bc245.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/talon2gbuild/8247610158/)
IMAG0479 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/talon2gbuild/8247610158/) by talon 2g (http://www.flickr.com/people/talon2gbuild/), on Flickr

[DC2.2GSR]

but what about short barreled rifles and shotguns?!?!

By definition, SBRs and SBSs are firearms, which require transfer (albeit a different kind of transfer). Shotguns and rifles are not firearms.

[XxIriponzeesxX]

This really doesn't pertain to this section of the forum but since we have been talking about gun control and the UN coming in and taking away everything I figured I would share this independent film trailer with you guys.

Its called Gray State, YouTube the trailer. I am on my phone and I can't post a link. It looks really good and will most likely scare the **** out of a lot of people. They also have a website for donations so this movie can be made. You get t shirts and movie props with your donation so its not for nothing. Please at least look up the trailer of you guys havnt already seen it.

[CleanNeon98]

Just made 2 listings

http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/193525-remington-1911r1-enhanced-like-new.html

http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/193524-ruger-gp100-4-2-a.html

[empera]

very nice 1911....tempting but i should really start concentrating on an AR15 build.

[CleanNeon98]

very nice 1911....tempting but i should really start concentrating on an AR15 build.
That can wait, my Mazda can't! :lol:

[empera]

lol what's wrong with it? i have car projects also! Either way we'll see how good santa is to me this year. If the 1911 is still available in a couple of weeks.

[CleanNeon98]

lol what's wrong with it? i have car projects also! Either way we'll see how good santa is to me this year. If the 1911 is still available in a couple of weeks.
See member journal. Need moneys! PM me when ready and if I still have it, it's yours.

[schaffer]

I have a nice shiny glock 22 in .40 caliber if anyone is interested. 450 obo

[2g Talon]

If I didn't get such a steal on my gen 4 I'd pm you. Got it with 3 mags for $299. Can't shake a stick at that.

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[schaffer]

If I didn't get such a steal on my gen 4 I'd pm you. Got it with 3 mags for $299. Can't shake a stick at that.

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Has night sights and ill throw in 50 jhps and 50 rounds of target ammo.

[2g Talon]

Mine already has night sights lol. Bought it like 3 months ago :/ glws though, I love my 23 and I know that glocks always impress, shouldn't be too hard to sell

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[2g Talon]

While I'm here, I just picked up a Remington 770 the other day, .270 cal round that targetmaster won't let me shoot because of their round size limit. I know French creek state park has a range and Chester county has one run through the parks and rec division, anyone been there? I didn't see an address so I can't find it on Google earth. Anyone know the address for this place?

Looking for a 100 yard + range btw..

Nobody..?

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[cmr076]

Classic pistol will let you shoot that inside.. I've shot .338 there, but not 100yds... For outdoor just find someone that's a member somewhere and kiss their ass to let you come shoot, that's what I do with svickstc

[schaffer]

Mine already has night sights lol. Bought it like 3 months ago :/ glws though, I love my 23 and I know that glocks always impress, shouldn't be too hard to sell

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It's been listed on pafoa for 2 months.


Shoulda kept the Glock 19 I had.

[cmr076]

It's been listed on pafoa for 2 months.


Shoulda kept the Glock 19 I had.

All joking aside (I hate .40 as everyone on here knows) 9mm and .45 always sells faster

[HaveBlue83]

i still cant see why people dont like .40....it holds more in the mag, has very similar performance to the .45 and it isn't that expensive. 13+1 vs 7+1....i dunno just seems like a no-brainer.

I bought a G17 Gen4 and sold it a week later. I was like " i have this full size gun that shoots little ass bullets.....this is stupid". That's how bad I dislike 9mm lol. I wan't a 19 or a 9mm barrel for my 23.....but purely for target plinking ammo. I just don't know about 9mm.

I used to say I HATED AR's and loved AK's. Now I am on my 2nd and 3rd AR's. I just need to break myself of this stigma somehow.

[cmr076]

i still cant see why people dont like .40....it holds more in the mag, has very similar performance to the .45 and it isn't that expensive. 13+1 vs 7+1....i dunno just seems like a no-brainer.

I bought a G17 Gen4 and sold it a week later. I was like " i have this full size gun that shoots little ass bullets.....this is stupid". That's how bad I dislike 9mm lol. I wan't a 19 or a 9mm barrel for my 23.....but purely for target plinking ammo. I just don't know about 9mm.

I used to say I HATED AR's and loved AK's. Now I am on my 2nd and 3rd AR's. I just need to break myself of this stigma somehow.

9mm is great because of capacity, low recoil and still has good ballistics. I personally don't like .40 because of how snappy it is and how close to .45...

[99corvette]

Classic pistol will let you shoot that inside.. I've shot .338 there, but not 100yds... For outdoor just find someone that's a member somewhere and kiss their ass to let you come shoot, that's what I do with svickstc

Might wanna call and check first. My brother shot my f/a 308 there and the next time he went they said only pistol calibers for f/a use.

[cmr076]

Might wanna call and check first. My brother shot my f/a 308 there and the next time he went they said only pistol calibers for f/a use.

How long ago? They rent f/a rifle caliber guns.. Maybe their range was getting too Torn up from big calipers going stray

[HaveBlue83]

I went to the range and fired my G23 and my buddies G17. i havent shot the 23 in forever and didnt hit **** lol. the 17 felt like a lil toy but was def accurate. the 23 is def snappier. IF the G21's weren't so damn brickish I'd have one of them instead. I'll weigh my options on what I will do. I've had the G23 since about 2009.

I also took my new Trijicon Reflex out on the AR......WOW. just wow. it's amazing. My AR is setup perfect now. All i want in the future is a Leatherwood CMR 1-4 for distance work.

I'm now selling my Aimpoint H-1 micro if anyone is interested ;)

[99corvette]

How long ago? They rent f/a rifle caliber guns.. Maybe their range was getting too Torn up from big calipers going stray

Like 3 months ago maybe longer. We shot it there before but the last time my brother went shooting there he kinda cleared the range with it(extremely loud). Could be because it is a machine gun too.

[cmr076]

Like 3 months ago maybe longer. We shot it there before but the last time my brother went shooting there he kinda cleared the range with it(extremely loud). Could be because it is a machine gun too.

Haha that was probably quite a sight. We cleared the range out once with a 338.. Had the windows vibrating in the frames

[99corvette]

Haha yea. I'm guessing its because its a machine gun.

[HaveBlue83]

not to +1 up but back in 2009 near the Connowingo dam in Hartford, Co MD we went shooting with a buddy......we had a .50bmg bolt got I was zeroing for someone, 2 AK's, an AR, a S/A 1919A4 and the .50 going for 30min until a park ranger drive up the driveway and "asked" us to please lay off the .50 because "people think there's a war going on down here"

LMFAO.

My buddy had a friend in the call center. We were told: "we got 49 calls from two counties, on both sides of the Susq. river"


:D

[schaffer]

9mm is great because of capacity, low recoil and still has good ballistics. I personally don't like .40 because of how snappy it is and how close to .45...

I originally bought a Glock 21 to carry for work. I was told I was unable to carry .45 for various reasons. I had a Glock 19 and traded it for a g27, as I wanted something to deep conceal. So I bought a Glock 22 to go with the 27.


I realize I should have kept the 19 as I just like it better. I had a few offers to trade the 22 for a 23 but haven't jumped on the offers yet. I think my asking price is pretty fair.

Asking 450 for a nearly mint Glock 22, gen 4 with night sights and 3 mags. I'll also throw around 100 rounds in too. 50 Winchester ranger t series and around 50 target rounds.

[2g Talon]

Classic pistol will let you shoot that inside.. I've shot .338 there, but not 100yds... For outdoor just find someone that's a member somewhere and kiss their ass to let you come shoot, that's what I do with svickstc

Anyone have a few dozen acres I can dick around on? :D

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[HaveBlue83]

^^^my grandparents have 100 acres in Oxford PA and a nice lil stream carved valley with a berm we shoot at. I dont get there much now. it's a lil paradise :)

I dunno how they are with people they dont know tho. sometimes they get worried about getting sued lol.

that's where I got for slidefire/nagants/AK, blasting **** with the AR fun.

[2g Talon]

Dude let's roll out there one day. Not like I'm going to be shooting a 50bmg out there lol. Just looking for a nice place to zero my scope at about 100 yards. Nothing too crazy.

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[HaveBlue83]

they have one field that is about 250m. i know I can get about 200m before the one hill. I shoot @ a tree and behind that is a dropoff and a hill.

I wont be back till Xmas tho. IF i have time I'll see if I can find ya.

[Foolinaround]

New to guns here but just got my license to carry concealed. In addition,florida gun laws are pretty laxed; I was surprised.

[schaffer]

think i may have a buyer for my glock 22....yay!

[CleanNeon98]

New to guns here but just got my license to carry concealed. In addition,florida gun laws are pretty laxed; I was surprised.
Just don't shoot anyone in a hoodie.
Dude let's roll out there one day. Not like I'm going to be shooting a 50bmg out there lol. Just looking for a nice place to zero my scope at about 100 yards. Nothing too crazy.

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I belong to a range in Langhorne that goes all the way to 300m IIRC. Might be able to tag you along.

[2g Talon]

That's awesome. Haveblue, if you do get some time just let me know, I know the holidays are pretty nuts.

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[2g Talon]

Just don't shoot anyone in a hoodie.

I belong to a range in Langhorne that goes all the way to 300m IIRC. Might be able to tag you along.


Where in langhorn? I'm not familiar with that area, also what are the requirements at their facility?


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[CleanNeon98]

Where in langhorn? I'm not familiar with that area, also what are the requirements at their facility?


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www.langhornerodandgunclub.com

$5 guest fee. No 50-cal or full-auto

[2g Talon]

I may actually take you up on that if the offer still stands. That range looks like a place I would most likely try to become a member at. Very nice looking facility!

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[CleanNeon98]

I may actually take you up on that if the offer still stands. That range looks like a place I would most likely try to become a member at. Very nice looking facility!

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It's not exactly the easiest place to become a member, and they are almost at their cap IIRC.

[~Brian~]

Brace yourselves... here comes the assault rifle debate again...

[2g Talon]

Dude from my brain to your mouth lol

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[92awdtsi]

my girlfriend was watching the news and I overheard the news reporter say "semi assualt pistol"... i'm assuming he meant "semi auto pistol" but to me this just indicates how much some people want to assualt ban to come back.

[slowZ]

Does anyone here go to the Oakes gun show I'm in the market for a ar and a kimber handgun and I was wondering if this was a good place to look and see if I could get a bargain on either

[~Brian~]

Dude from my brain to your mouth lol

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Technically, from your brain to my fingers. lol

[DC2.2GSR]

Does anyone here go to the Oakes gun show I'm in the market for a ar and a kimber handgun and I was wondering if this was a good place to look and see if I could get a bargain on either

Yeah I did. plenty of ARs and Kimbers, depends on your budget and what exactly you want. Not many bargains from what I saw. It seems like gun shows have left the word bargain far behind and become nothing more than MSRP or above. Anything you look at is right at or above MSRP even when used. I'm sure you could find a seller who would be willing to cut you a break on their tag price, but that would probably only bring it back down to the same price that you can get it for anywhere at any time.

[slowZ]

Thanks for the info I kind of figured that so I guess it's not worth the hr drive

[cmr076]

Yeah I did. plenty of ARs and Kimbers, depends on your budget and what exactly you want. Not many bargains from what I saw. It seems like gun shows have left the word bargain far behind and become nothing more than MSRP or above. Anything you look at is right at or above MSRP even when used. I'm sure you could find a seller who would be willing to cut you a break on their tag price, but that would probably only bring it back down to the same price that you can get it for anywhere at any time.

Haha I agree. I've NEVER been to a gun show and have bought more guns than nearly anyone I know.. Buy from people you know and trust (CPI and Clayton's for me) and you know you'll never get ripped off.

[99corvette]

This is not looking good for us firearm owners.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/dianne-feinstein-assault-weapons-ban_n_2311477.html

[~Brian~]

Looks like I should buy my AR sooner than later... lol

[cmr076]

This is not looking good for us firearm owners.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/dianne-feinstein-assault-weapons-ban_n_2311477.html

A Californian agains evil black guns?? Nooooooo.

[99corvette]

Not sure if you guys heard about this, since the media will NOT report this story. http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

[~Brian~]

Of course they won't report that.. just like with that 70 year old guy in Florida who shot two armed would-be robbers in the internet cafe back in July. A law abiding gun owner using his firearm doesn't generate ratings. God forbid the media be fair and balanced when talking about guns..

[CleanNeon98]

Any sense in buying a few ARs before the ban goes through for profitable reasons?

[DC2.2GSR]

Any sense in buying a few ARs before the ban goes through for profitable reasons?

Yes. There's always good sense in investing in firearms. Be careful about how you spend your money and what exact rifles and parts you invest in and you could see some profit. At worst you have some awesome gear and you can always sell off what you don't want or need, whether a ban goes through or not.

[cmr076]

Of course they won't report that.. just like with that 70 year old guy in Florida who shot two armed would-be robbers in the internet cafe back in July. A law abiding gun owner using his firearm doesn't generate ratings. God forbid the media be fair and balanced when talking about guns..

I wouldn't use that guy as an example of proper self defense, he was shooting them in the back as they ran away haha

Any sense in buying a few ARs before the ban goes through for profitable reasons?

Yes. There's always good sense in investing in firearms. Be careful about how you spend your money and what exact rifles and parts you invest in and you could see some profit. At worst you have some awesome gear and you can always sell off what you don't want or need, whether a ban goes through or not.

I don't think you need to do it like tomorrow Alex, If something happens its not going to be for a year+ they can't suspend the 2a overnight. If anything I'd stock up on 30rd "clips" in 223/556 if your hell bent on getting a few AR's right away, get a few bushmasters in various lengths, cheap and basically the perfect all around entry level evil black gun

[~Brian~]

I wouldn't use that guy as an example of proper self defense, he was shooting them in the back as they ran away haha


Haha, true

[davin]

Due to recent events, it looks like I am going to have to stock up on everything. It has been a while, but if Spikes Tactical is going to ship me something, they have to ship one the lower receiver to where I got my Concealed Weapons Permit?

[99corvette]

Due to recent events, it looks like I am going to have to stock up on everything. It has been a while, but if Spikes Tactical is going to ship me something, they have to ship one the lower receiver to where I got my Concealed Weapons Permit?

No they have to ship it too a dealer that has a valid FFL.

[SupraJDS]

Just found out that my boss has one of these :eek::
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m10/SupraJDS/VIS_zpsecd866d5.jpg

He is retiring in Jan. maybe he won't know how much it is worth and will sell it to me cheap lol He also has a Winchester Model 1912. I think they are both from his father who fought and died during the Battle of the Bulge so I don't know if he is willing to sell... doesn't hurt to ask though

[CleanNeon98]

Had an intch for a while and pulled the trigger on some new AK stuff.
ATI stock set
http://www.atigunstocks.com/img/p/434-3239-thickbox.jpg

Tech-sights rear
http://www.tech-sights.com/AK%2029.jpg

And an AK74 style muzzle brake. Can't wait to see what this does. Really been wanting a longer stock on this thing.

[~Brian~]

Having a problem with the Kimber..

The other day I noticed some rust on the barrel but I'm not sure where it came from. It's been a few months since I've shot it and immediately after the last time, I completely cleaned it and properly greased the barrel. Since then, it's only been in and out of my holster and hasn't come into contact with any liquids. I tried to clean it up at little bit with a polishing rag before I took the pic, but the rust is obviously still there

Any thoughts?

*edit- forgot to post the pic haha
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/snowboy1232001/6F0FD5EE-C138-4B4E-8459-DE3CE26C0FA3-4911-000001B85C8F0614.jpg

[schaffer]

Could be from sweat or moisture in the air/on your body.

I'd try some metal polish first and see if that helps. If not some hi grit sandpaper may be in order, 2000 grip maybe.

[99corvette]

I have heard of kimbers doing this before. I know people have had issues with the finish on them doing this.

[~Brian~]

Crap... do you think I might need to replace the barrel?

[kunt_masha]

anyone know of good local classifieds other then PAFOA?


I've used Gunbroker, gunsamerica, and armslist before too but like to make deals face to face.

[schaffer]

Pafoa is probably your best bet in this area.

[99corvette]

anyone know of good local classifieds other then PAFOA?


I've used Gunbroker, gunsamerica, and armslist before too but like to make deals face to face.

I mainly use gunbroker.com subguns.com or http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/semi4sale.cgi

[99corvette]

Crap... do you think I might need to replace the barrel?

I would contact kimber and see what they say

[~Brian~]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/news/cerberus-bushmaster/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Even more ridiculous..

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/justice/connecticut-dicks-guns/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[~Brian~]

Anybody have an AR they feel like selling?

[kunt_masha]

^^^ maybe? I am on the fence about selling one... probably stag model 2

[Spawne32]

I'm not even sure our congressmen are american's anymore with the kind of talk ive been hearing. This isnt even about guns anymore, this is about the federal government ****ting on 200+ million people by passing unjust laws for political points and votes.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

Yeah man, its starting to get a little crazy! :bigeek:
It pisses me off even talking about, completely unconstitutional and all for either personal gain or being strung like a puppet by other groups with opposing agendas to what out country was founded upon.

[CleanNeon98]

And all because of some ****ing retard and his mom who couldn't keep her **** locked up.

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

Someone at work today was saying there now referring to the NRA as a "terrorist organization".... That's the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. The NRA is filled with millions of law biding loving mothers and fathers and a millions of other good hearted God fearing men and women who all strongly believe in preserving our constitution and country as it was founded and meant to be.

[~Brian~]

^^^ maybe? I am on the fence about selling one... probably stag model 2

pm me details

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

^^^ maybe? I am on the fence about selling one... probably stag model 2

Any pics?

[~Brian~]

Any pics?

Back off mofo.. lol

[ADRENALINE RUSH]

Back off mofo.. lol

Haha....nah you got it. That 1911 in your sig looks nice! what kind / model is it? I just picked up a Springfield EMP, its sick!!!!

[99corvette]

Head NRA members have been getting death threats, people saying they should be shot and killed. These are the same people wanting to ban guns.....

[CleanNeon98]

For those of us with weapons already, I don't think we have to worry about losing them anytime soon.

[~Brian~]

Haha....nah you got it. That 1911 in your sig looks nice! what kind / model is it? I just picked up a Springfield EMP, its sick!!!!

It's a Kimber Ultra Carry II.. really nice gun, I def recommend it to anyone!


For those of us with weapons already, I don't think we have to worry about losing them anytime soon.

Which is exactly why I want to get one now if anything were to get passed though.

[cmr076]

Head NRA members have been getting death threats, people saying they should be shot and killed. These are the same people wanting to ban guns.....

They don't want them shot, they want them stoned to death... You know, since rocks can't be turned into a deadly weapon. Wayne lapierre's response was great in my opinion.. He is being demonized and I pant participating in the banter from what I've seen... Even the strong dem antis at my work were saying " 'they' don't really think banning rifles will stop this do 'they' " and the best one, "I thought assault rifles were what the military used that fire non stop when you pull the trigger" I lol'd and dropped some knowledge. It is driving me crazy how many times I've heard clip and machine gun on the news recently though.

For those of us with weapons already, I don't think we have to worry about losing them anytime soon.

You mean for the end of the world? I think we'll have the advantage!

In all seriousness, there's 300 MILLION+/- guns in the US... good luck collecting even 1 million of them.

[cmr076]

I don't think you need to do it like tomorrow Alex, If something happens its not going to be for a year+ they can't suspend the 2a overnight. If anything I'd stock up on 30rd "clips" in 223/556 if your hell bent on getting a few AR's right away, get a few bushmasters in various lengths, cheap and basically the perfect all around entry level evil black gun

Hey Alex, remember me saying this... Yea, cheaper than dirt was selling them at a $45 markup and is now sold out...

[~Brian~]

It will all calm down in a few weeks hopefully

[~Brian~]

Here ya go Alex
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/556-NATO/products/384/

[cmr076]

And the company that had the majority stake in bushmaster jumped ship..

http://newyork.newsday.com/business/bushmaster-ar-15-rifle-cerberus-sells-stake-in-firm-that-sells-newtown-linked-gun-1.4347780

As well as legislation going down the pipeline to require permits to buy ammo in CA... this really is getting ugly.

[~Brian~]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/news/cerberus-bushmaster/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



And the company that had the majority stake in bushmaster jumped ship..

http://newyork.newsday.com/business/bushmaster-ar-15-rifle-cerberus-sells-stake-in-firm-that-sells-newtown-linked-gun-1.4347780

As well as legislation going down the pipeline to require permits to buy ammo in CA... this really is getting ugly.


repost... :mrgreen:

[cmr076]

repost... :mrgreen:

Pshh nobody reads your links :mrgreen: in all seriousness, I think we really do need to worry. At the end of the day it's all about rating and approvals, and backing firearms isn't getting either right now. I donated to the NRA today, I suggest you all do the same.

[DC2.2GSR]

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urrRcgB581w

[~Brian~]

I think I'm going to buy a nice quality complete lower and a few mags, then I'll build the rest as I go..

Thoughts?

Also, these are pretty good, right?

http://store.magpul.com/prod_detail_list/PMAG

[cmr076]

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urrRcgB581w

I think saying the "entire shooting is a scam" is bull**** and deplorable regardless of whether or not the video is real or fake.

[~Brian~]

Just ordered 5 pmags, hopefully their website was up to date and they aren't sold out. Would have gotten six, but there was a 5 mag maximum per order.\

Any suggestions for lowers? I don't mind buying a complete AR, but I've always wanted to build my own.
I've been looking at the Colt complete lowers but they are so freaking expensive...

[cmr076]

Just ordered 5 pmags, hopefully their website was up to date and they aren't sold out. Would have gotten six, but there was a 5 mag maximum per order.\

Any suggestions for lowers? I don't mind buying a complete AR, but I've always wanted to build my own.
I've been looking at the Colt complete lowers but they are so freaking expensive...

There's like 100000000 m&p complete lowers on gun broker for 389.. I'm thinking of ordering one or four

Where'd you order the pmags from? They're not available from magpul direct

[~Brian~]

Read a pretty solid review on these guys, so even though they were like $3 more per mag than most people (who are sold out btw), I went ahead with the order

http://www.laruetactical.com/leupold


*edit- is the M&P pretty solid? How's the finish? I can always upgrade the receivers internals if I want to, right?

[cmr076]

Read a pretty solid review on these guys, so even though they were like $3 more per mag than most people (who are sold out btw), I went ahead with the order

http://www.laruetactical.com/leupold


*edit- is the M&P pretty solid? How's the finish? I can always upgrade the receivers internals if I want to, right?

Laurie is good... I'm gonna order 15 just in case... 5 of the new windowed ones, 5 non windowed new ones and 5 original pmags. Worst case I have extra mags haha. M&p is good.

[~Brian~]

Laurie is good... I'm gonna order 15 just in case... 5 of the new windowed ones, 5 non windowed new ones and 5 original pmags. Worst case I have extra mags haha. M&p is good.

15? Damn... lol

I ordered 5 of the windowed ones, but maybe I should place a second order for another 5 if it will get that bad.

So the M&P is good then? Should I get a complete lower or a stripped?

[2g Talon]

I've been a member of the NRA for years and will continue to support them.

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[cmr076]

15? Damn... lol

I ordered 5 of the windowed ones, but maybe I should place a second order for another 5 if it will get that bad.

So the M&P is good then? Should I get a complete lower or a stripped?

Worst case nothing happens and I have extra mags haha. If you're getting an ar because you're worried you won't be able to in the future just worry about the receiver, ATM that's the only part that has to go through An FFL. The last time evil black gunlegislation passed, anyone with a complete rifle purchase, or a lower receiver , before the effective ban date was grandfathered in.

[~Brian~]

Worst case nothing happens and I have extra mags haha. If you're getting an ar because you're worried you won't be able to in the future just worry about the receiver, ATM that's the only part that has to go through An FFL. The last time evil black gunlegislation passed, anyone with a complete rifle purchase, or a lower receiver , before the effective ban date was grandfathered in.

That's exactly what I am counting on... I probably won't be able to build it completely for a while, but at least I'll have the lower and that's the part that counts for the ban.

Now I have another question- go with an AR rifle or pistol? I don't even know what the difference is.

*edit- I put in a second order for another 5 windowed pmags lol

*Second Edit- http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=122&t=259822

Looks like if I decide to build it as an AR pistol first, I'd have to go through the tax stamp process and register it as an SBR. I think I'll pass on that... I don't really want to go below a 16" barrel anyway.

[cmr076]

That's exactly what I am counting on... I probably won't be able to build it completely for a while, but at least I'll have the lower and that's the part that counts for the ban.

Now I have another question- go with an AR rifle or pistol? I don't even know what the difference is.

*edit- I put in a second order for another 5 windowed pmags lol

*Second Edit- http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=122&t=259822

Looks like if I decide to build it as an AR pistol first, I'd have to go through the tax stamp process and register it as an SBR. I think I'll pass on that... I don't really want to go below a 16" barrel anyway.

Ar pistol is just that... A pistol, it becomes an sbr when you add a stock, that's when you need a stamp Just get a receiver or two, decide how you want to build it later, an ar pistol and rifle use the same receiver. (Ar pistols suck for everything but having a cool factor though)

Edit

Just read that link, what it's saying is its easier to make a receiver without a stock when new into either a pistol or rifle, whereas a receiver with a stock would have to be a rifle or sbr with a stamp,

a stripped receiver won't have a stock so that would be a non issue if you go that route.

[~Brian~]

Ar pistol is just that... A pistol, it becomes an sbr when you add a stock, that's when you need a stamp Just get a receiver or two, decide how you want to build it later, an ar pistol and rifle use the same receiver. (Ar pistols suck for everything but having a cool factor though)

Edit

Just read that link, what it's saying is its easier to make a receiver without a stock as new either a pistol or rifle, whereas a receiver without a stock as new can be made new into either, a stripped receiver won't have a stock so that would be a non issue if you go that route.

I'm thinking I might just make it a rifle from the beginning and keep it simple. I'm a graduating college student, so I def don't have the cash for the "cool factor" right now lol

Next question- I plan on replacing the stock regardless with one of these (http://store.magpul.com/prod_detail_list/83)...
Should I just buy a stripped receiver and build this gun from scratch or buy a full receiver then have the stock "stock" for a spare?

[~Brian~]

What are your thoughts on a Wilson lower or maybe upper/lower combo? I have two of their officer mags for my Kimber and they are by far one of the nicest 1911 mags I have seen so far.

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Upper_Lower-Receiver-AR-Style-Matched-Set/productinfo/TR-LOWUPP/

[schaffer]

the spikes lowers are priced right and are great. Stripped ones are 115 and they sell blemished ones cheaper.


P-mags are great, but any mag with a decent body and the proper follower/spring will run just fine. The us army just stopped using p-mags for duty use. That being said i have a few p mags and a few metal mags, they all run.

[99corvette]

I've been a member of the NRA for years and will continue to support them.

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I support them, just hope they stick to their guns and not fold like they did back in 1986....

[CleanNeon98]

Let me put it this way (just my feelings). If the ban of these assault rifles and high capacity magazines means we never have a tragedy like the one in CT again, I'd be all for it. Except it doesn't. Just look at Columbine, which happened in the middle of the last assault weapons ban.

As far as Dicks, had it been my business, I probably would have done the same and temp pulled the guns, just out of compassion for what happened. People who are so for these bans should look at the prohibition of Alcohol, Marijuana, and just about anything else that's ever been illegalized and the black market it created and how many more lives were lost.

[99corvette]

What the media fails to say is during the assault weapon ban from 93-03 you could still make "assault weapons" they just couldn't have "deadly features", like a threaded barrel, folding/collapsible stocks, bayonet lug. No new high cap mags made during that time as well. The way the media is reporting it as like you couldn't buy them during that time or make them. Not only that the ban did nothing. At this point its not even about guns, this kid was mental which you would have to be to kill your own mother and all those kids. He would of done it no matter what. If you let the government tell you what kind of guns your aloud to own, whats next? no one is aloud to own a vehicle with more then 200hp because why should one person be aloud to go faster then the next person.

[cmr076]

heres my view, copied from a conversation i had with another member via PM.. you guys may not agree with me at all but this is my take:

The goal here must be regulation of who can access guns. Everyone can agree that guns are getting into the hands of people who shouldn't have access to them, and that is what we need to focus on and tighten up. i think we need to figure out how to make sure the MENTALLY ILL ARE NOT BUYING THESE GUNS AND WHEN THEY TRY THAT SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT.... the lawmakers are so focused on the "GUN" they create a system that doesn’t work "AHA! A crazy boy tried to buy a gun. He was stopped from buying it! Problem solved!" As if that sentence shouldn't send CHILLS UP THEIR SPINES AND MOTIVATE THEM TO FIND OUT WHAT HES REALLY UP TO!?!? in my opinion THAT DENIAL WARRANTS A VISIT FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT!!!! "Hey... Lady... Somebody from your house just tried to buy a gun and they were denied, because of X." not just turning the kid away... That to me is a wise course of action, . in the cases of Columbine, Viginia Tech, Aurora, and Sandy hook, each killer was considered "dangerous" by those close to them in the months before the incidents.

I say Arm those who are responsible enough to be armed, give them to as many people like me as possible, people who have the intellectual capacity to make a quick judgment the right way should the need arise... we MUST switch the focus from a blanket gun ban to a focus on taking them away from people like the Sandy shooter.

criminals and the crazy will be crazy, they will both continue to be those two things regardless of laws and legislation.

[~Brian~]

so I found an M&P 15 lower and after I paid, we ran the pics check... Took forever to get them to answer the phone then after another 15 minutes, it came back as pending but not yet approved.

The guy at the store said that it will take up to 15 days for them to finish the rest of it. He said they might not be able to find something, but I'm not sure what that meant. I'm concerned here.. the worse thing I've ever gotten was a speeding ticket.. I've successfully cleared 3 separate background checks before and nothing has happened since then, so I don't know why there would be an issue now..

Thoughts?

[2g Talon]

I liked the feel of the m&p-15. Plus the price tag ain't too shabby either.

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[99corvette]

so I found an M&P 15 lower and after I paid, we ran the pics check... Took forever to get them to answer the phone then after another 15 minutes, it came back as pending but not yet approved.

The guy at the store said that it will take up to 15 days for them to finish the rest of it. He said they might not be able to find something, but I'm not sure what that meant. I'm concerned here.. the worse thing I've ever gotten was a speeding ticket.. I've successfully cleared 3 separate background checks before and nothing has happened since then, so I don't know why there would be an issue now..

Thoughts?

This has happened to two of my friends, both went pending both were first time buyers. one of them got the ok after a few days. The other did the full pending time, which then he had to send a letter to the state in which they returned another letter saying yes he was able to buy a gun.