The official TST I like guns thread.

[92awdtsi]

Just got a cheapy red dot scope for my gsg. This little guy is fun as hell to shoot. I'm seriously considering throwing a suppressor on this and a SBR stamp.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t304/cherryredz/2011-09-21_16-42-11_266.jpg

[99corvette]

Just got a cheapy red dot scope for my gsg. This little guy is fun as hell to shoot. I'm seriously considering throwing a suppressor on this and a SBR stamp.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t304/cherryredz/2011-09-21_16-42-11_266.jpg

Do it. They look great sbr and you can't go wrong with a suppressed .22 since I got my 22 suppressor I think its come to every range trip I been too since.

[SvicksTc]

^^Awesome GSG

[cmr076]

Told you that you had my word!

Now who wants to buy my AR :)

ill shoot you a text tonight to answer your question, im still at work! (these 12-13 hour days are killing me haha)

[SvicksTc]

ill shoot you a text tonight to answer your question, im still at work! (these 12-13 hour days are killing me haha)

Sounds good man, I appreciate it!

[99corvette]

well i too might have a ar15 for sale, have a big problem with the company who made it, see what they say today......

[ASIAN JUL]

yay my ltcf app was approved :) now i just have to find time to go get it.. merf.

also, j are you alive?

[SvicksTc]

yay my ltcf app was approved :) now i just have to find time to go get it.. merf.

also, j are you alive?

Congratulations, have you decided on a carry gun?

[92awdtsi]

yay my ltcf app was approved :) now i just have to find time to go get it.. merf.

also, j are you alive?

congrats :mrgreen:

[XxIriponzeesxX]

I'm looking into buying a mossberg 535 field combo. I just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with the shotgun and if they could give me some kind of review. I do plan on hunting with this gun. Thanks everyone.

[92awdtsi]

I'm looking into buying a mossberg 535 field combo. I just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with the shotgun and if they could give me some kind of review. I do plan on hunting with this gun. Thanks everyone.

I never had that exact model but I have the 500A. Great gun, nothing ever went wrong with it.

[~Brian~]

Going to a wedding and I need to have a holster that allows me to carry while my shirt is tucked in but will still allow me to easily access my gun if I need it.

Any holster suggestions that a full time student can afford, and maybe some that I can't?

[Bane]

going to a gang wedding?

[~Brian~]

going to a gang wedding?

Nope, a wedding where there is a good possibility that my girlfriends ex who she has a PFA against will show up.

I'm trying to get her not to go at all, but it is one of her childhood friends getting married, so I'm fighting a losing battle.

[DC2.2GSR]

Nope, a wedding where there is a good possibility that my girlfriends ex who she has a PFA against will show up.

I'm trying to get her not to go at all, but it is one of her childhood friends getting married, so I'm fighting a losing battle.

I hate to make it sound like I'm trying to lecture you, because I'm certainly no superior being, but you need to think about carrying as "I need to find a tuckable holster to wear to a wedding because I carry everywhere, at all times, and without question because it's responsible to be able to protect myself and a life threatening situation does not get paused because a wedding is taking place" rather than even letting it cross your mind that so and so might show up, etc.

We all think about situations being more risky than others and think "well at least I'll be carrying", but it's not good to think of it that way for long. The idea of carrying only when you know you're going to be in a potentially dangerous place or situation is ridiculous. Carry always for no other reason than because it's simply what you do.

I know you know that, I'm just sayin'... :)


For the holster - check out the MTAC or the Supertuck. I'm hooked on my MTAC.. I love it and I don't think I'll ever even look for another option. Some say the CB ST is the same way for them. They're both awesome holsters and completely tuckable.

Then again, if being discreet at a wedding is a priority, as I know it probably is, I'd look at picking up a smaller gun like a S&W Bodyguard or LCP, etc. instead of trying to conceal and tuck your XDM. That's no small gun and even if no one sees it, you might be very uncomfortable the whole time.

[cmr076]

going to a gang wedding?

I love gang weddings! they have the best bitches and liquor.

[~Brian~]

I hate to make it sound like I'm trying to lecture you, because I'm certainly no superior being, but you need to think about carrying as "I need to find a tuckable holster to wear to a wedding because I carry everywhere, at all times, and without question because it's responsible to be able to protect myself and a life threatening situation does not get paused because a wedding is taking place" rather than even letting it cross your mind that so and so might show up, etc.

We all think about situations being more risky than others and think "well at least I'll be carrying", but it's not good to think of it that way for long. The idea of carrying only when you know you're going to be in a potentially dangerous place or situation is ridiculous. Carry always for no other reason than because it's simply what you do.

I know you know that, I'm just sayin'... :)


For the holster - check out the MTAC or the Supertuck. I'm hooked on my MTAC.. I love it and I don't think I'll ever even look for another option. Some say the CB ST is the same way for them. They're both awesome holsters and completely tuckable.

Then again, if being discreet at a wedding is a priority, as I know it probably is, I'd look at picking up a smaller gun like a S&W Bodyguard or LCP, etc. instead of trying to conceal and tuck your XDM. That's no small gun and even if no one sees it, you might be very uncomfortable the whole time.

I know you're not trying to lecture and I know that you are completely, 100% right.. I should have worded it differently because God forbid something does happen and that post gets used against me somehow.. but anyway, I'll deal with it at that time.

But to add to the current need, it would be nice to have a completely tuck-able holster for my general every day carrying purposes. I like my current IWB, but unless I have my belt cranked down, it constantly shifts on me and there are a very limited number of positions in which I can make that XDM's print disappear, especially being as small as I am.

As for getting a different gun, it's not really in the budget right now. Not only would I have to buy the gun, but I would need to put serious time in at the range to get to the level I am at now with my XDM. That range time means a lot of ammo and that is DEF out of my budget right now. Sometimes I hate being in college..

[Munky]

I hate to make it sound like I'm trying to lecture you, because I'm certainly no superior being, but you need to think about carrying as "I need to find a tuckable holster to wear to a wedding because I carry everywhere, at all times, and without question because it's responsible to be able to protect myself and a life threatening situation does not get paused because a wedding is taking place" rather than even letting it cross your mind that so and so might show up, etc.

We all think about situations being more risky than others and think "well at least I'll be carrying", but it's not good to think of it that way for long. The idea of carrying only when you know you're going to be in a potentially dangerous place or situation is ridiculous. Carry always for no other reason than because it's simply what you do.

I know you know that, I'm just sayin'... :)


For the holster - check out the MTAC or the Supertuck. I'm hooked on my MTAC.. I love it and I don't think I'll ever even look for another option. Some say the CB ST is the same way for them. They're both awesome holsters and completely tuckable.

Then again, if being discreet at a wedding is a priority, as I know it probably is, I'd look at picking up a smaller gun like a S&W Bodyguard or LCP, etc. instead of trying to conceal and tuck your XDM. That's no small gun and even if no one sees it, you might be very uncomfortable the whole time.

QFT! Bolded for troofz.

Conceal this in my pocket all day errrrday. No1 ever knows I have. :wink:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/MunkysSRT4/Guns2/2011-08-22_21-55-15_913.jpg

[Munky]

As for getting a different gun, it's not really in the budget right now. Not only would I have to buy the gun, but I would need to put serious time in at the range to get to the level I am at now with my XDM. That range time means a lot of ammo and that is DEF out of my budget right now. Sometimes I hate being in college..

Not necessarily true. The one thing you have to learn/remember about a pocket pistol is that the range isn't going to be very far regardless of how good of a shooter you are. They just tend to be too damn snappy. They're referred to as "belly guns" for a reason in most instances. You're not going to try and snipe a fool 20ft away. You're gonna use it up close and personal. I practice with my Bodyguard at no more than 10ft. I find anything beyond that is just wasting ammo in all honesty. :mrgreen:

http://nerdmeltla.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/the-more-you-know1.jpg

[~Brian~]

Not necessarily true. The one thing you have to learn/remember about a pocket pistol is that the range isn't going to be very far regardless of how good of a shooter you are. They just tend to be too damn snappy. They're referred to as "belly guns" for a reason in most instances. You're not going to try and snipe a fool 20ft away. You're gonna use it up close and personal. I practice with my Bodyguard at no more than 10ft. I find anything beyond that is just wasting ammo in all honesty. :mrgreen:



I don't disagree... but in addition to the cost, another reason I don't like those is because even with a grip extender, I have always failed miserably at trying to shoot them, even within 10 feet. I'll aim at one spot but almost always miss by a substantial margin.

Now this is where practice comes in, but with my course load, I hardly have enough time to study, let alone take breaks for range trips (even though I know how important it is).

I was looking at the supertuck holster and I have to say that I like it.. I am looking at the horsehide with the combat cut.

I'm still comparing the two but one thing I have found is that the CB looks like it will distribute the weight of my XDM a little bit better than the MTAC will, and seeing as I will be wearing thin suit pants, I think that might be a benefit.

[92awdtsi]

you could just leave your jacket on. that would hide a lot of printing. Oh, or have you ever considered carrying a nice knife instead? I know I feel a lot better with my kershaw storm than nothing.

[CleanNeon98]

Got a Mosin Nangant M91/30 last night at Classic. They had a bunch of army surplus ones, I got a 1944 issue. Really neat rifle and it shoots sweet, can't wait to try outside.

[CleanNeon98]

Here it is, I believe it shoots a 7.62x54R round or something like that.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301073_538457218587_332600751_912324_2049090520_n. jpg

[clay]

Just got a cheapy red dot scope for my gsg. This little guy is fun as hell to shoot. I'm seriously considering throwing a suppressor on this and a SBR stamp.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t304/cherryredz/2011-09-21_16-42-11_266.jpg

whats the make and model of this?

[SvicksTc]

Its a gsg not sure of the model just google gsg

[92awdtsi]

whats the make and model of this?

gsg (german sport guns) 522 PK, its technically a pistol hence the "PK"

[~Brian~]

you could just leave your jacket on. that would hide a lot of printing. Oh, or have you ever considered carrying a nice knife instead? I know I feel a lot better with my kershaw storm than nothing.

Would rather not have to wear my jacket all night.. would def get annoying after a while.

As far as the knife thing... I was told by a police officer to never EVER use a knife in a fight because it's considered psychotic? :bigeek:

[cmr076]

Here it is, I believe it shoots a 7.62x54R round or something like that.

correct, and you can get surplus CHEAP in crates.

[~Brian~]

Well, I just ordered my SuperTuck from Crossbreed. Went with the horsehide and I selected the combat cut. Hopefully it doesn't take forever to come in.

[CleanNeon98]

correct, and you can get surplus CHEAP in crates.
apparently the surplus ammo has corrosive primer. we put a few rounds of tulammo through it last night, SUPER fun to shoot.

[cmr076]

apparently the surplus ammo has corrosive primer. we put a few rounds of tulammo through it last night, SUPER fun to shoot.

that gun is fine with corrosive ammo

[99corvette]

apparently the surplus ammo has corrosive primer. we put a few rounds of tulammo through it last night, SUPER fun to shoot.

Most of that ammo is.

[SvicksTc]

Well, I just ordered my SuperTuck from Crossbreed. Went with the horsehide and I selected the combat cut. Hopefully it doesn't take forever to come in.

I would expect a few weeks ship time

[~Brian~]

Yep, that's about right. I emailed them to get a timeframe and the guys said that they were shipping around two to three weeks.

[CleanNeon98]

Better question, does anyone know of an outdoor range where I can shoot that thing? I know there is the Langhorne Rod and Gun club but that apparently has a looooong backlog to become a member, my buddy said he waited for 3 years for his application to go through. Any other places semi-locally? I'd like to try this thing out somewhere longer than 25 yards haha

[blkZ06]

were do you reside

[CleanNeon98]

were do you reside
Border of NE Philadelphia and Bucks County, not far from Classic Pistol. I would definitely be willing to travel for this.

[blkZ06]

Looking to become a member or just go squeeze a couple rounds off?

[CleanNeon98]

Either, but the.closer it is, the more id be more inclined to be a member.

[XxIriponzeesxX]

Theres a public range in Warminster ill have to find the address but its got a big bore 100 yard range along with pistol and shotgun (clay pigeon)

Edit: Wicen's shooting range. 3179 Mozart road furlong pa.

http://www.wicenshootingrange.com/

Welcome lol

[cmr076]

Theres a public range in Warminster ill have to find the address but its got a big bore 100 yard range along with pistol and shotgun (clay pigeon)

Edit: Wicen's shooting range. 3179 Mozart road furlong pa.

http://www.wicenshootingrange.com/

Welcome lol

wicens is gay. I will never go back. the RO's are on serious ****ing power trips.

[XxIriponzeesxX]

I've only been there once lol. They said something to me about shooting to fast that was it tho. What was the problem they had with you?

[SvicksTc]

I've only been there once lol. They said something to me about shooting to fast that was it tho. What was the problem they had with you?

Shooting to fast...thats gay right there...

[99corvette]

Check out new Holland gun club. That's where I go with my pops. I beleave theres 5 rifle and 5 pistol ranges. Gos from 25 yards out to 600. Only two things not allowed are full autos and 50bmg. It's a pretty sweet range I enjoy it a lot.

[DC2.2GSR]

Check out new Holland gun club. That's where I go with my pops. I beleave theres 5 rifle and 5 pistol ranges. Gos from 25 yards out to 600. Only two things not allowed are full autos and 50bmg. It's a pretty sweet range I enjoy it a lot.

That's an awesome range. I went to watch the Contagion 2010 'zombie shoot' last year and I loved the whole place. It's about an hour from me though, so it's tough to justify joining. Every other indoor range is an hour from here as well, but you can just show up and par per hour and never make a commitment so that works better for me.

[99corvette]

That's an awesome range. I went to watch the Contagion 2010 'zombie shoot' last year and I loved the whole place. It's about an hour from me though, so it's tough to justify joining. Every other indoor range is an hour from here as well, but you can just show up and par per hour and never make a commitment so that works better for me.

It's about a hour drive for me too. I know the yearly cost isn't that bad, compared to some indoor ranges, I just like shooting outside more then indoor shooting. Plus most times I go I'm the only one there.

[cmr076]

Check out new Holland gun club. That's where I go with my pops. I beleave theres 5 rifle and 5 pistol ranges. Gos from 25 yards out to 600. Only two things not allowed are full autos and 50bmg. It's a pretty sweet range I enjoy it a lot.

hmm, so we cant bring jordan :lol:

[99corvette]

hmm, so we cant bring jordan :lol:

Haha yea but honestly its a great range.

[~Brian~]

Any recommendations for a good gun belt?

This will sound weird, but if there is such a thing as a designer belt, you know, for suits and stuff and it's NOT COWBOY related, lol, can you help me find it? I've been looking and so far haven't come up with anything.

[DC2.2GSR]

Any recommendations for a good gun belt?

This will sound weird, but if there is such a thing as a designer belt, you know, for suits and stuff and it's NOT COWBOY related, lol, can you help me find it? I've been looking and so far haven't come up with anything.

Comp-tac, without a doubt the best I've used. It's solid black so you can wear it with virtually any dress pants, etc. and it doesn't look 'tactical' or anything, just looks like a nice belt. I have the 1.25" taper and it helps it to look 'dressier' when you have your shirt tucked in. I'd recommend it to anyone. I dropped pants sizes and had to buy another - hopefully the last belt I'll ever buy.

http://www.comp-tac.com/product_info.php?products_id=43

[~Brian~]

That's a pretty nice belt... a little expensive though

[~Brian~]

Thoughts on the CrossBreed Belts (http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/3SlotPancake/tabid/97/List/0/ProductID/3/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName%2cProductName)? I like the brown one for my everyday use..

[CleanNeon98]

Having issues with my G19 gen 4, whoever else has shot it, have you noticed this?

Sometimes it will eject the casing right back into my forehead.
Sometimes it will jam a casing on the way out.

Glock says I can send it back to get warranty work done but its gonna take 4-6 weeks, gonna suck being without a gun that long but maybe I'll use this as an excuse to buy another ;)

[SvicksTc]

Having issues with my G19 gen 4, whoever else has shot it, have you noticed this?

Sometimes it will eject the casing right back into my forehead.
Sometimes it will jam a casing on the way out.

Glock says I can send it back to get warranty work done but its gonna take 4-6 weeks, gonna suck being without a gun that long but maybe I'll use this as an excuse to buy another ;)

Try a 3rd Gen recoil spring before sending it back (Im not 100% this will fit, I believe Ive read it would, but Glock is just repacing the recoil spring, for these type of problems)

How often does this happen, I would be worried about carrying a gun that does not operate flawlessly

edit: Through some quick reading, It does not look that older model springs would fit in the Gen 4

However, you can get this adapter that will make it work

http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip/7/7895_GEN4+Recoil+Assembly+Adapter+Ring/

This is the steps I would take if I were you before sending it back, or send it back and buy the right generation Glock (3rd Gen ;)

[CleanNeon98]

Glock is exchanging the recoil springs on the Gen 4s for free, I'll put 100-150 rounds through with that and if it doesn't help then I'll send it back. Some are saying its an issue with the ejector, some are saying the RSA fixes the issue.

[SvicksTc]

Glock is exchanging the recoil springs on the Gen 4s for free, I'll put 100-150 rounds through with that and if it doesn't help then I'll send it back. Some are saying its an issue with the ejector, some are saying the RSA fixes the issue.

Ya, Glock has the free RSA exchange, but you said it was 4-6 weeks. I could not go that long without my EDC..

Ejector issue could also be there by the way you describe the way it is deflecting, but the stovepipes I would say are attributed to the RSA. I would also suggest throwing more than 150 rounds down the pipe testing it out, but that is just me...

How often does this happen?

There was nothing wrong with the 3rd gen rsa, I dont know why Glock went and changed it the to the dual

[cmr076]

or hes holding the gun like a nancy :) ever limp wrist a 1911...

[CleanNeon98]

Ya, Glock has the free RSA exchange, but you said it was 4-6 weeks. I could not go that long without my EDC..

Ejector issue could also be there by the way you describe the way it is deflecting, but the stovepipes I would say are attributed to the RSA.

How often does this happen?
Stovepipe is fairly uncommon, I only put ~300 rounds through it the time I've had it and maybe had it do that 3 or 4 times.

Ejecting backwards happens far more often, usually 2-3-4 times per box of rounds. My worry is a hot casing down my shirt, or between my face and glasses.

RSA exchange is they send you a new spring and you send them the old. If that doesn't solve the problems, then I need to ship them the whole gun to look at the ejector, THAT takes 4-6 weeks.

[SvicksTc]

or hes holding the gun like a nancy :) ever limp wrist a 1911...

Ahh, I did not even think of that...I tend to forget about that, because my girl can out shoot most guys I shoot with so little things like that I tend to overlook now :lol:

Speaking of 1911..

I am still trying to figure out what I want to do.

Im going to def pick up an Eotech (Dave *Cough*) and either sell my AR and build an AR completely to what I want to see, buy an AK or 1911

[drifty240]

Having issues with my G19 gen 4, whoever else has shot it, have you noticed this?

Sometimes it will eject the casing right back into my forehead.
Sometimes it will jam a casing on the way out.

Glock says I can send it back to get warranty work done but its gonna take 4-6 weeks, gonna suck being without a gun that long but maybe I'll use this as an excuse to buy another ;)

maybe its yours sites

http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/satirehumor/homeboynytesytes467ace.jpg

Just kidding, that sucks... Not a glock fan but a friend went with a 3rd gen because of the problems he heard they were having with 4th gens...

[SvicksTc]

^^Legit not to far from the C.A.R Method though (haha just kidding)

My 3rd Gen is, well, Perfection :)

edit: for those of you not familiar with the C.A.R system, Center Axis Relock:

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/mean-street-gunfighting-system/

[drifty240]

Been slacking on my bolt gun action. Picked up a Remington 700 SPS Tactical in 308. The for-end channel has been cleaned up and trigger has been dialed down to about 2 pounds. My range only has 100 yards , so need to get some were and stretch her legs...

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/310469_1782976232947_1795726751_1135996_560550610_ n.jpg


http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/304014_1782996313449_1795726751_1136014_161528859_ n.jpg

Hand loaded Sierra 150 gr HPBT .

Target 2- 4 shots - bi-pod and rear bag

Target 1- 3 shots - bi-pod only

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/291875_1782988833262_1795726751_1136007_1262849787 _n.jpg

[Munky]

Having issues with my G19 gen 4, whoever else has shot it, have you noticed this?

Sometimes it will eject the casing right back into my forehead.
Sometimes it will jam a casing on the way out.

Glock says I can send it back to get warranty work done but its gonna take 4-6 weeks, gonna suck being without a gun that long but maybe I'll use this as an excuse to buy another ;)

I've reviewed your comment and highlighted the problem for you. :mrgreen:

[Munky]

Just kidding, that sucks... Not a glock fan but a friend went with a 3rd gen because of the problems he heard they were having with 4th gens...

:roll: Says the guy who wants to borrow my G34 to run in production with. :-p

[CleanNeon98]

I've reviewed your comment and highlighted the problem for you. :mrgreen:
I'm starting to feel the same way. :cry: aren't the extractors the same in the gen 3 and 4? Can't help but feel like it's due to that spring.

[rebelalliance]

Vintage revolver collector here. Favorites, 1929 Colt Police Official 38 special former officer carry weapon. 1975 Smith and wesson Model 14-6 6" Barrel 38 special. Still had the pinned barrel back then. Balls accurate to the end of any indoor range i've ever been to.

[SvicksTc]

I'm starting to feel the same way. :cry: aren't the extractors the same in the gen 3 and 4? Can't help but feel like it's due to that spring.

I am not sure, for some reason Glock changed a lot of the parts from Gen 4 to 4.

Like I said you can buy the adapter for the RSA and put the 3rd Gen RSA in and should hopefully eliminate that problem...the extractor could be a spring issue, but its a brand new gun (kinda of weird for the spring to be worn out, where as there might be a problem with the extractor itself....

From what "I" believe is they used a new style extractor in the Gen 4...Can you please provide the first 3 of your serial so I can do a little more research...I know Glock was also addressing these issues on some of the production runs

Also could go another route and polish down your extractor, or get a replacement extractor from Lone Wolf

[CleanNeon98]

From what I read, they used a .40 spring in the 9mm which makes the slide come back too fast and just doesn't work. They are sending me a "revised" spring so well see what happens. First 3 are RKK

[ej06WRX]

Whats up guys, I should be getting the Glock 23 Gen 4 this weekend, and from what I've been told, its just a spring issue. And I've also been told if you give Glock your cereal number they'll send you a new spring for free.

[~Brian~]

Whats up guys, I should be getting the Glock 23 Gen 4 this weekend, and from what I've been told, its just a spring issue. And I've also been told if you give Glock your cereal number they'll send you a new spring for free.

Nice, congrats!

And it is spelled "serial" number... lol

[ej06WRX]

Nice, congrats!

And it is spelled "serial" number... lol
haha That was bad. I'm a terrible speller, but thats just not even remotely close haha.

And thanks, I'm pretty excited.

[Munky]

haha That was bad. I'm a terrible speller, but thats just not even remotely close haha.

And thanks, I'm pretty excited.

Maybe you were just super excited for breakfast and that's what was on your mind when posting. :mrgreen:

[ej06WRX]

Maybe you were just super excited for breakfast and that's what was on your mind when posting. :mrgreen:

Not going to lie, I was thinking about what I was going to eat before the academy haha. Must have had cheerios on the mind.

[~Brian~]

Came across this article while holster shopping..

http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/comment-page-1/

[Munky]

Yeah that article was brought up on PAFOA a few times. Kydex doesn't do that...just sayin.

[SvicksTc]

Kydex FTW!!

[~Brian~]

Yep, I am definitely very happy that the CBST will come with kydex

[Ace09]

I have the following:

AR15 - Red dot sight/adjustable stock
9mm S&W 669 Stainless
12 Gauge Break open (Antique)


Looking to buy a smaller handgun...Does anyone have any experience with the Bersa Thunder?

[SvicksTc]

^^^No experience with the Bersa..

Whats the details on your AR :)

I know I said I was looking to pick up a new toy in the next couple weeks, but came across a good deal on Craigslist for a new daily...

hmmm....

[cmr076]

a gun on CL?? how the hell is that possible

[SvicksTc]

a gun on CL?? how the hell is that possible

haha no no, i meant i came across a good find for a new daily driver.....

So im not sure if i want to pick this up or continue with my gun purchase ha

[Ace09]

^^^No experience with the Bersa..

Whats the details on your AR :)

I know I said I was looking to pick up a new toy in the next couple weeks, but came across a good deal on Craigslist for a new daily...

hmmm....

You can get an AR registered as a pistol or a rifle depending on the length of the barrel. Mine has a 16" compact barrel which is the smallest you can go and still keep it as a rifle. I built it myself by custom ordering parts from Stag Arms. I love how it shoots, barely any recoil but the 223 round def packs a punch. The only downside is that the clip holds 30 rounds but each box of ammo only has 20 rounds and costs $8.....so as you can imagine an afternoon of shooting can get expensive. Let me know what you decide!

[DC2.2GSR]

You can get an AR registered as a SBR depending on the length of the barrel. Mine has a 16" standard/normal barrel which is the smallest you can go and still keep it as a rifle. I built it myself by custom ordering parts from Stag Arms. I love how it shoots, barely any recoil but the 223 round def packs a punch. The only downside is that the magazine holds 30 rounds but each box of ammo only has 20 rounds and costs $8.....so as you can imagine an afternoon of shooting can get expensive. Let me know what you decide!

lol sorry, I couldn't resist. :roll:

welcome to the thread. I'll be the asshole who inserts the technicalities even when everyone knows what you're talking about anyway. :-p

[Ace09]

lol sorry, I couldn't resist. :roll:

welcome to the thread. I'll be the asshole who inserts the technicalities even when everyone knows what you're talking about anyway. :-p

Ha well you did correct some things that I should have had right the first time.

[DC2.2GSR]

anyone have PA Act 235? I'm considering it for some part time work, hopefully within the next month or so. tips, dos and don'ts, etc. for both the course (locations?) and employment are welcomed. I'm researching in 5 other browser windows at the moment but i'd appreciate some input from the locals. I'm familiar with the requirements, I'm mostly just looking for personal experience and some 'insider' guidelines.

[SvicksTc]

anyone have PA Act 235? I'm considering it for some part time work, hopefully within the next month or so. tips, dos and don'ts, etc. for both the course (locations?) and employment are welcomed. I'm researching in 5 other browser windows at the moment but i'd appreciate some input from the locals. I'm familiar with the requirements, I'm mostly just looking for personal experience and some 'insider' guidelines.

No personal experience, but interesting in hearing also... This could effect an endeavor I want to pursue latter in life...

[cmr076]

anyone have PA Act 235? I'm considering it for some part time work, hopefully within the next month or so. tips, dos and don'ts, etc. for both the course (locations?) and employment are welcomed. I'm researching in 5 other browser windows at the moment but i'd appreciate some input from the locals. I'm familiar with the requirements, I'm mostly just looking for personal experience and some 'insider' guidelines.

No personal experience, but interesting in hearing also... This could effect an endeavor I want to pursue latter in life...

CPI does, or DID hold the classes... if you two dont pass, after seeing the retards that were in there I will personally bitch slap both of you!

[SvicksTc]

CPI does, or DID hold the classes... if you two dont pass, after seeing the retards that were in there I will personally bitch slap both of you!

I dont think that will be a problem ;)

did you get my text, you hate me :( (I take good care of her)

[cmr076]

no?? My phone has been ****ing up for the past week (how many times did it hang up on you!)

[~Brian~]

Any suggestions for free/ college student affordable.. firearm retention/training classes?

[Munky]

anyone have PA Act 235? I'm considering it for some part time work, hopefully within the next month or so. tips, dos and don'ts, etc. for both the course (locations?) and employment are welcomed. I'm researching in 5 other browser windows at the moment but i'd appreciate some input from the locals. I'm familiar with the requirements, I'm mostly just looking for personal experience and some 'insider' guidelines.

It can be expensive to take on as a part time endeavor. The market is also flooded right now with applicants depending on your location. If you're willing to travel Harrisburg/Lancaster/Philadelphia seem to be the only places hiring that are within a reasonable distance per day. After graduating this past April I get about 10-15 leads a week from my career services center. The problem is they're all an hour plus away :mad:

CPI does, or DID hold the classes... if you two dont pass, after seeing the retards that were in there I will personally bitch slap both of you!

I'll hold their arms down while you do it! :mrgreen:

Any suggestions for free/ college student affordable.. firearm retention/training classes?

Here's a freebie...always consider it loaded when handling it in your apt & don't hang it loaded from a changing room hook. :wink:

[ASIAN JUL]

Finally get to pick my LTC up on Saturday...weeeeeeeeeeeee

[~Brian~]

It can be expensive to take on as a part time endeavor. The market is also flooded right now with applicants depending on your location. If you're willing to travel Harrisburg/Lancaster/Philadelphia seem to be the only places hiring that are within a reasonable distance per day. After graduating this past April I get about 10-15 leads a week from my career services center. The problem is they're all an hour plus away :mad:



I'll hold their arms down while you do it! :mrgreen:



Here's a freebie...always consider it loaded when handling it in your apt & don't hang it loaded from a changing room hook. :wink:

Apt thing noted.. but it wasn't hot when it was on the hook. lol As I said back then, I haven't been carrying with one in the pipe since I had that accident a few months ago.

[SvicksTc]

Apt thing noted.. but it wasn't hot when it was on the hook. lol As I said back then, I haven't been carrying with one in the pipe since I had that accident a few months ago.

You need to get back on that horse..Unless you have been training to draw and rack....

If you carried one in the pipe before there is no reason not to do it now, just keep you're finger off the trigger, come on now!

[~Brian~]

I know, it's just going to take some more time until I'm comfortable again carrying a chambered round.

[Munky]

Finally get to pick my LTC up on Saturday...weeeeeeeeeeeee

Wait a tick...I thought you got it the other week when you posted about it on FB??? What the ****!:banned:

Apt thing noted.. but it wasn't hot when it was on the hook. lol As I said back then, I haven't been carrying with one in the pipe since I had that accident a few months ago.

I'm sorry all I heard was "blah blah blah something about pipes blah blah blah. :lol:

No seriously though you need to start carrying again in condition 1 unless you've trained to draw & rack and feel comfortable enough to do so in a situation.

You need to get back on that horse..Unless you have been training to draw and rack....

If you carried one in the pipe before there is no reason not to do it now, just keep you're finger off the trigger, come on now!

^^^This :cool:

[~Brian~]

Well, I'm def not trained to properly draw and rack on command, so I guess I have no choice to carry again with one in the chamber.

Unless I just stop carrying all together, which is always an option.

[ASIAN JUL]

Wait a tick...I thought you got it the other week when you posted about it on FB??? What the ****!:banned:


I got the letter of approval but I have to go physically pick it up

[Munky]

What were you waiting for? A written invitation??? OH WAIT!!! :rofl:

[drifty240]

Anyone looking for something like you see below, hit me up. I might know were you can find one .....

Sig 229 40 s&w :
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1. green duracoated slide
2. not sure about round count
3. 2 facotry mags and 3 aftermarket mags
4. TRUGLO Brite Sites installed / (factory sites included)
5. Atomic Dog Kydex holster /od green

.22 Rimfire Conversion Kit for 228/229 non railed
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Save on ammunition costs, hone your shooting skills, and just have fun – the .22LR Rimfire Conversion Kit, vailable for SIG SAUER P220, P226 & P228/P229 models features a hard coat anodized slide machined from solid aluminum billet. A complete replacement assembly, the Rimfire Conversion Kit installs as easily as field stripping the pistol. Simply remove the standard slide assembly, slide on the Rimfire Conversion Kit, add the included .22LR magazine, and you’re ready. The Rimfire Conversion Kit features adjustable target sights and comes complete in a hard carry case.

.22 RIMFIRE CONVERSION KIT INCLUDES
• HARD COAT ANODIZED ALUMINUM SLIDE
• ADJUSTABLE TARGET SIGHTS
• RECOIL SPRING/GUIDE
• BARREL
• .22 LR MAGAZINE (HOLDS 10 ROUNDS MAX)

1. 1 extra mag

[SvicksTc]

Well, I'm def not trained to properly draw and rack on command, so I guess I have no choice to carry again with one in the chamber.

Unless I just stop carrying all together, which is always an option.

If you dont feel comfortable and confident in carrying, it's something i strongly recommend you think about, or train everyday and train at the range as much as you can.

When I first started carrying, in the months before all i did was read, read, read...and then as I began to carry I was missing one HUGE element (proficient training) Now here where things tend to get expensive, but you can train for free everyday at home. I began buying videos, going to courses to learn the fundamentals of weapon manipulation and drawing from CC. I train everyday at home drawing, and press check every time i leave my home. I have learned to build trainings into my day.

Then at the range I began reading about drills to perform and began duplicating drills from the courses. Additionally, at the range i can add that dynamic element into my training, because when SHTF! I dont think you're just going to be standing there.

If you do not feel confident in knowing you can effectively draw your weapon and employ it without being a liability to others and actually an asset then one should not carry. If you had to draw your weapon and result to deadly force, expect to see trail to defend yourself more. Now IF you were to hit bystanders your "flyiers" those "liabilities" will get you in a bad spot these days.

Brian, I am not making any gesture or remark at you, I am just stating this in general to anyone!!!!!!

It's a huge responsibility, and part of that responsibility is to take it upon yourself and maintain that responsibility to the highest level. This requires reading of the statues, and physically weapon manipulation and employment training.

[~Brian~]

Package deal - $700 obo

Sig 229 40 s&w :


1. green duracoated slide
2. not sure about round count
3. 2 facotry mags and 3 aftermarket mags
4. TRUGLO Brite Sites installed / (factory sites included)
5. Atomic Dog Kydex holster /od green

.22 Rimfire Conversion Kit for 228/229 non railed


Save on ammunition costs, hone your shooting skills, and just have fun – the .22LR Rimfire Conversion Kit, vailable for SIG SAUER P220, P226 & P228/P229 models features a hard coat anodized slide machined from solid aluminum billet. A complete replacement assembly, the Rimfire Conversion Kit installs as easily as field stripping the pistol. Simply remove the standard slide assembly, slide on the Rimfire Conversion Kit, add the included .22LR magazine, and you’re ready. The Rimfire Conversion Kit features adjustable target sights and comes complete in a hard carry case.

.22 RIMFIRE CONVERSION KIT INCLUDES
• HARD COAT ANODIZED ALUMINUM SLIDE
• ADJUSTABLE TARGET SIGHTS
• RECOIL SPRING/GUIDE
• BARREL
• .22 LR MAGAZINE (HOLDS 10 ROUNDS MAX)

1. 1 extra mag


Will not ship, can do transfer within 30miles of 19601 buyer pays transfer

Only trades excepted will be :
1. M&P 15/22
2. partial trade for ammo (40,223,308,45)
3. 9mm -1911 or railed 1911
4. Piston AR (can add cash my side)


We can't openly sell guns on the forum... you can get banned for it.

Save it for PM only.

[~Brian~]

If you dont feel comfortable and confident in carrying, it's something i strongly recommend you think about, or train everyday and train at the range as much as you can.

When I first started carrying, in the months before all i did was read, read, read...and then as I began to carry I was missing one HUGE element (proficient training) Now here where things tend to get expensive, but you can train for free everyday at home. I began buying videos, going to courses to learn the fundamentals of weapon manipulation and drawing from CC. I train everyday at home drawing, and press check every time i leave my home. I have learned to build trainings into my day.

Then at the range I began reading about drills to perform and began duplicating drills from the courses. Additionally, at the range i can add that dynamic element into my training, because when SHTF! I dont think you're just going to be standing there.

If you do not feel confident in knowing you can effectively draw your weapon and employ it without being a liability to others and actually an asset then one should not carry. If you had to draw your weapon and result to deadly force, expect to see trail to defend yourself more. Now IF you were to hit bystanders your "flyiers" those "liabilities" will get you in a bad spot these days.

Brian, I am not making any gesture or remark at you, I am just stating this in general to anyone!!!!!!

It's a huge responsibility, and part of that responsibility is to take it upon yourself and maintain that responsibility to the highest level. This requires reading of the statues, and physically weapon manipulation and employment training.


I understand what you are saying.

I guess I came off the wrong way... It's not that I'm doubtful of my abilities to carry, I'm just not comfortable yet carrying with one in the chamber.

I know my gun very well and am confidant in my ability to perform under stress, I just need to get used to carrying a loaded weapon again after the incident.

[blkZ06]

The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times is because it is impossible to have two in

Wasted movement is wasted time

[drifty240]

We can't openly sell guns on the forum... you can get banned for it.

Save it for PM only.

Sorry, i thought i have seen them in here before .............

[SvicksTc]

I understand what you are saying.

I guess I came off the wrong way... It's not that I'm doubtful of my abilities to carry, I'm just not comfortable yet carrying with one in the chamber.

I know my gun very well and am confidant in my ability to perform under stress, I just need to get used to carrying a loaded weapon again after the incident.

I was not doubting you, like i said, I was just stating that in general. Recently a lot of new LTCF holders have chimed in and like I said I thought I was prepared through reading and frequent range trips with no "real" training through courses and drills, I was more of a liability than an asset...

Fortunately it didnt take to long to recognize the missing element and like i said i continue to train everyday...

[Munky]

The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times is because it is impossible to have two in

Wasted movement is wasted time

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/MunkysSRT4/Smilies/qft.gif

[drifty240]

if you don't carry one in chamber you might as well be carrying a brick. WHat gun did you have an AD with? SA or DA , maybe you should switch to DA or safe action .

[cmr076]

The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times is because it is impossible to have two in

Wasted movement is wasted time

lol I just pictured you sitting on your couch trying to jam two rounds in the chamber of your EDC.

[ASIAN JUL]

What were you waiting for? A written invitation??? OH WAIT!!! :rofl:

I have to wait until the sheriff's office is open at a time that I can pick it up without missing work. They are open the first Saturday of every month and stay open late on the second Monday of every month. Hence my plans of going on Saturday :cyberguy:

[~Brian~]

So back to my original question... any suggestions for affordable training/retention courses?

[PhillyLS1]

So back to my original question... any suggestions for affordable training/retention courses?

I'm prior military and work in defense as a civilian. If you ever want a good training course, and want to make a weekend out of it... there are some excellent places in Northern VA. And cheap too.

[~Brian~]

I'm prior military and work in defense as a civilian. If you ever want a good training course, and want to make a weekend out of it... there are some excellent places in Northern VA. And cheap too.

That might actually work... I have a good friend who lives in Arlington... I could come down for the weekend and hit up those classes..

[~Brian~]

Well, I decided to get back on the horse..

Just put a round in the chamber and tucked the gun into my holster. Headed out to pick up Transformers 3.

[cmr076]

Well, I decided to get back on the horse..

Just put a round in the chamber and tucked the gun into my holster. Headed out to pick up Transformers 3.

if your not ready PLEASE do not carry cond. 1... dont listen to us internet jackasses its your life and YOU that is going to have to deal with the consequences if you do something due to NOT being ready to carry as such

[~Brian~]

if your not ready PLEASE do not carry cond. 1... dont listen to us internet jackasses its your life and YOU that is going to have to deal with the consequences if you do something due to NOT being ready to carry as such

Do you not think I realize that? I would NEVER change my mind about something this important simply because you guys giving me a hard time... come on... give me more credit than that.

Not possessing the knowledge/ ability to safely handle a firearm and being scared after a serious accident are two different things. I am just as capable now as I was then; the knowledge hasn't disappeared just because I chose to stop carrying with one in the chamber.

I told all of you a long time ago that it was going to take a while for me to restore my confidence after the accident. Carrying a loaded weapon that your not comfortable with is dangerous too. So in addition to adding extra steps to ensure safety, I made the decision to NOT carry with one in the chamber until I felt comfortable with my gun again.

I am personally responsible for whatever happens with that firearm. The accident weights heavily on me EVERY SINGLE TIME I pick up my gun, whether it's loaded or not. Somebody could have been hurt due to my carelessness and I swore to myself that it would never happen again.

I feel that I made a responsible decision to carry the way that I have over the last several months. My only other choice would to have to stop carrying completely, but honestly, I think that would have done more harm than good.

So again, no, I did not chamber a round today because I felt compeled to by all of your remarks. Those posts did, however, make me realize that I have let enough time pass since the accident and that the ONLY way to get comfortable, just like when we all first started carrying, is to JUST DO IT. Like I said, the knowledge is still there, it's just a matter of overcoming the anxiety.

In an effort to increase my knowledge of safety procedures, I am actively seeking to take training courses.

I undertand that all of your posts have been out of concern for my general well being and I do appreciate it. If you really want to help me though, please provide recommendations for safety/training/retention courses that I can take.

[Munky]

if your not ready PLEASE do not carry cond. 1... dont listen to us internet jackasses its your life and YOU that is going to have to deal with the consequences if you do something due to NOT being ready to carry as such

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!!! Shut up!!! We could have totally had some more **** to talk for at least another month or so.:roll:





















I KEED I KEED!!! Please for the love of all that is holy...BE CAREFUL!!!

[~Brian~]

lol, thanks

No need to worry though, I will be fine. And so will everybody else. haha

[DPancoast]

So I'm a long time reader of this thread, but now I have a question I need your opinions on.

My job has a rule in the handbook that no firearms are permitted on the property/in the building.

I can understand and do not want to argue it if it's that cut and dry. However now that I have had my ltcf and am doing some shopping around , is there anything I can do besides not telling my job I have the gun in my vehicle? Or do I just have to live with it and leave my (future) gun at home every day until I get home?

I feel that is a personal safety risk for me because well, most of my incidents with aggression from other drivers have happened on the road while driving. And god forbid it happens going to or from work and deadly force would be needed, I'd be sol I guess?

Thoughts? I can get the exact wording if needed to discuss but from what I understand from my superiors, the firearm is not allowed on company property AT ALL.

[~Brian~]

So I'm a long time reader of this thread, but now I have a question I need your opinions on.

My job has a rule in the handbook that no firearms are permitted on the property/in the building.

I can understand and do not want to argue it if it's that cut and dry. However now that I have had my ltcf and am doing some shopping around , is there anything I can do besides not telling my job I have the gun in my vehicle? Or do I just have to live with it and leave my (future) gun at home every day until I get home?

I feel that is a personal safety risk for me because well, most of my incidents with aggression from other drivers have happened on the road while driving. And god forbid it happens going to or from work and deadly force would be needed, I'd be sol I guess?

Thoughts? I can get the exact wording if needed to discuss but from what I understand from my superiors, the firearm is not allowed on company property AT ALL.




As you may already know, the LTCF allows you to carry just about anywhere in the state. But if an establishment, whether it be an employeer, bar, or whatever has made it clear that firearms are not welcome on the premis and you choose to carry on their property despite this rule, you could be subject to legal action.

Now if feel that your personal safety is at risk every time you go to work and you truly believe that having a firearm on your person would help, then you should either: A- have a conversation with your employeer about this situation, or B- find another job.

Any gun owner on this site will tell you that using a firearm is the last ditch effort to avoid personal harm and that just about any measures should be taken to avoid finding yourself in such a situation.

Hope that helps! :)

*edit- What do you do for work?

[DPancoast]

Ah thank you for the clarification.

I work for Raymour and Flanigan furniture at a distribution center.

And yes, I fully agree that when I actually have my own firearm to carry, it will be a last effort to defend myself. My first is my 13 years of assorted martial arts experience in the physical sense. Other than that I am very good at acting calm under pressure/confrontation. Despite what people on this site may say.

But regardless. I've been going to the range ALOT with my friend and I love it. We go 2-3 times a week and have been learning a lot together with his couple of hand guns he has.

[DC2.2GSR]

If you're interested in doing a search, there are tons of threads over on PAFOA about carrying on the job either with permission from the employer or without permission. There are debates about the moral and legal issues. Basically it goes like this:

Private property rights trump the majority of your personal rights while on the private property. The 2A may guarantee your right to 'bear arms', but the property owner has the right to set conditions of occupation/use of his property, and that outweighs your 2A rights in that situation.

Carrying at work is something that you have to seriously weigh the options of. You can either obey a corporate no-weapons policy and leave yourself vulnerable (job safety option) or you can disobey the policy and carry anyway and retain the ability to defend yourself (personal safety option). You should consider your need for that particular job and weigh that against your desire to carry. What if you get 'found out'? Do you lose your job and default on a mortgage or car payment or stop being able to provide for your family? Maybe that job isn't that important and you have a skill set that allows you to find another job easily? Also, consider what you think of the idea that if a situation arises, and you're obeying a corporate policy by not carrying, what happens when you get attacked and maybe killed? Another scenario is that you use your gun in self defense and you get fired anyway, but you (and maybe others) are alive because of your actions? (link to article (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fired-walgreens-gun-toting-michigan-pharmacist-filled-robbers/story?id=13705438))

Here's my general philosophy on it...

Concealed means concealed. It's better to be judged by twelve than to be carried by six. *insert other pro-carry cliche here*.

It's my personal belief that under almost every circumstance, it's far better to carry and conceal it well, even if it's against company policy, than to risk getting killed by some piece of trash. That's just me though. It's a personal choice.

[DPancoast]

Yeah I can see what you mean. I will def search and read up on it as you suggested too.

The head of the distribution center is a down to earth guy as well so I'll probably sit in his office and talk to him about it. I feel it can't hurt since I'm not carrying yet anyway. I can understand both sides of the coin in general.

Part of me sees that yeah, someone (employee) could get pissed and shoot up the place, so it "avoids" that. But the other part of me asks, what if a non/ex employee or someone random decides to come in shooting? It also asks ok you don't want it in the building, I can see that, but in my personal vehicle? That's silly. But it goes back to part one of my post.

There are other coworkers that have their ltcf and carry outside of work full time and we've talked about it. I'm just soaking in as much as I can for my everyday life to decide what I need to do. I'd rather obey and continue to provide for my daughter and keep the job, than to risk losing it. BUT I won't not make my opinion known in a professional manor to my superiors just to see what they say you know?

Yes I know, "but if you get hurt or killed because you weren't carrying at work, then you can't provide for your daughter"... well I hate to say it like this but I have life insurance and her college fund aside. And I have no personal debt that would be left to my family to pay back. All of my loans are covered, that if I die, they are covered.

I dunno. Once I actually talk to someone that matters within my job, I will be able to decide more easily. But as of right now I have no idea how my superiors feel on the subject.

[~Brian~]

Well, I've decided that I want an AR. But because there are so many out there to choose from, I don't know where to start. Any suggestions?

[SvicksTc]

Well, I've decided that I want an AR. But because there are so many out there to choose from, I don't know where to start. Any suggestions?

can buy mine :) there are so many out there what are you looking to spend?

becareful the black rifle is addicting and gets expensive super quick :eek: (think modding a car is bad)

What purpose do you want it for? SHTF? Plinking? Home Defense? (combo of a few)

[~Brian~]

Mostly just plinking around. But with my budget, I probably won't able to afford anything fancy.

[SvicksTc]

Mostly just plinking around. But with my budget, I probably won't able to afford anything fancy.

Well how much you looking to spend, like I said, I think im going to be selling mine soon to build my own (tailored to me :) )

Id say Delton, BCM, Bushmaster are a few to start looking at for entry levels

[cmr076]

i LOVE our bushmaster 16" its def. the go to AR in the collection.

[~Brian~]

Well how much you looking to spend, like I said, I think im going to be selling mine soon to build my own (tailored to me :) )

Id say Delton, BCM, Bushmaster are a few to start looking at for entry levels

Well, my spending cap is most likely below what you are would be asking for the AR.

In all honesty, it's probably below what ANYBODY is asking for an AR. Out of curiosity though, how much were you looking to get for it?

[ej06WRX]

Turns out I'll probably be getting a Glock 19 Gen 3 instead of the 23 Gen 4. Mainly because of the cost to shoot, my dad reloads 9mm. After reading though this thread it seems like everyone is satisfied with their G19s and Glocks in general.

[SvicksTc]

Turns out I'll probably be getting a Glock 19 Gen 3 instead of the 23 Gen 4. Mainly because of the cost to shoot, my dad reloads 9mm. After reading though this thread it seems like everyone is satisfied with their G19s and Glocks in general.

I cant say enough good things about my 3rd gen g19...

great choice:devil:

[SvicksTc]

Well, my spending cap is most likely below what you are would be asking for the AR.

In all honesty, it's probably below what ANYBODY is asking for an AR. Out of curiosity though, how much were you looking to get for it?

shoot me a pm ill get back to you tomorrow evening sometime have 2 exams tomorrow...

I don't want to get into details on tst openly with the rules

[CleanNeon98]

Got some cheap ammo at dick's. CCI Blazer 9mm, 10 boxes for 100 bucks.

Classic pistol tomorrow morning anyone?

[99corvette]

Got some cheap ammo at dick's. CCI Blazer 9mm, 10 boxes for 100 bucks.

Classic pistol tomorrow morning anyone?

nice i tend to go to dicks around hunting season, they have good deals on ammo.

[eviljokerSTI]

Need some help deciding, The S.O. says I can get another pistol, but its got to be something she can handle, my S&W MP R8 .357 is a little to much for her, she can maybe get 2 rounds until her arms and shoulders are sore (she's 130lbs) The other pistols I have are 22's that for me arent fun anymore, so I'm lookign for something a little bigger in caliber, something in a .38 or.45 even 9mm would do if its the right gun. I always like 1911 models but i'm not picky, I was look at the Walther Pk380, a 9mm that i was considering was the Beretta PX4 Storm, I got to shoot one a few weeks ago and was really impressed, also one of my favorites is the Remington 1911 R1. Feel free to throw your own suggestions in their, I have $1000 limit so be reasonable.

Let me also clarify that this is not going to be a CC gun, I use my Taurus M85 38 special for that, this will be a range shooter/home protection gun.

[99corvette]

Need some help deciding, The S.O. says I can get another pistol, but its got to be something she can handle, my S&W MP R8 .357 is a little to much for her, she can maybe get 2 rounds until her arms and shoulders are sore (she's 130lbs) The other pistols I have are 22's that for me arent fun anymore, so I'm lookign for something a little bigger in caliber, something in a .38 or.45 even 9mm would do if its the right gun. I always like 1911 models but i'm not picky, I was look at the Walther Pk380, a 9mm that i was considering was the Beretta PX4 Storm, I got to shoot one a few weeks ago and was really impressed, also one of my favorites is the Remington 1911 R1. Feel free to throw your own suggestions in their, I have $1000 limit so be reasonable.

Let me also clarify that this is not going to be a CC gun, I use my Taurus M85 38 special for that, this will be a range shooter/home protection gun.

i would go with a 9mm if its mainly going to be a range gun. go with a m&p, glock or even a hk usp. with a 1000 dollar limit you will have plenty of cash left over for ammo.

[~Brian~]

Need some help deciding, The S.O. says I can get another pistol, but its got to be something she can handle, my S&W MP R8 .357 is a little to much for her, she can maybe get 2 rounds until her arms and shoulders are sore (she's 130lbs) The other pistols I have are 22's that for me arent fun anymore, so I'm lookign for something a little bigger in caliber, something in a .38 or.45 even 9mm would do if its the right gun. I always like 1911 models but i'm not picky, I was look at the Walther Pk380, a 9mm that i was considering was the Beretta PX4 Storm, I got to shoot one a few weeks ago and was really impressed, also one of my favorites is the Remington 1911 R1. Feel free to throw your own suggestions in their, I have $1000 limit so be reasonable.

Let me also clarify that this is not going to be a CC gun, I use my Taurus M85 38 special for that, this will be a range shooter/home protection gun.

If you want a nice gun that you both will enjoy shooting, you should look into some of the HK's, more specifically, the P30 (http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/p30_general.asp). I've shot this gun many times and I am currently saving so that I can get my own. A word of advice, get version 3 (V3). it has an external hammer, so it will be easier to switch from single to double action.

[angdefeo]

I would also say to buy a 9mm or a .380 auto but with a larger frame than the Walter PPK. I have fired the PPK a few times and i have nothing good to say about it. It it such a small frame that it jumps wildly when fired.

Go to a gun shop and have her try some compact 9mm's. She should be able to get a good feel about weight and comfort. The kick from a 9mm in that size is not to much. You might also want to consider a beretta cheetah. Those are pretty tame to shot. If you go the compact route, try a Beretta 92, Sig, Glock 19, or S&W M&P.

[Ace09]

I wanted to get a smaller 380 for carry as well. Carrying a compact 9mm around all of the time kinda get's annoying depending on what you are wearing!
What do you guys recommend for a .380 or smaller 9mm??

[rodder]

I wanted to get a smaller 380 for carry as well. Carrying a compact 9mm around all of the time kinda get's annoying depending on what you are wearing!
What do you guys recommend for a .380 or smaller 9mm??

Ruger LCP

Sig P290

[rodder]

Yeah I can see what you mean. I will def search and read up on it as you suggested too.

The head of the distribution center is a down to earth guy as well so I'll probably sit in his office and talk to him about it. I feel it can't hurt since I'm not carrying yet anyway. I can understand both sides of the coin in general.

Part of me sees that yeah, someone (employee) could get pissed and shoot up the place, so it "avoids" that. But the other part of me asks, what if a non/ex employee or someone random decides to come in shooting? It also asks ok you don't want it in the building, I can see that, but in my personal vehicle? That's silly. But it goes back to part one of my post.

There are other coworkers that have their ltcf and carry outside of work full time and we've talked about it. I'm just soaking in as much as I can for my everyday life to decide what I need to do. I'd rather obey and continue to provide for my daughter and keep the job, than to risk losing it. BUT I won't not make my opinion known in a professional manor to my superiors just to see what they say you know?

Yes I know, "but if you get hurt or killed because you weren't carrying at work, then you can't provide for your daughter"... well I hate to say it like this but I have life insurance and her college fund aside. And I have no personal debt that would be left to my family to pay back. All of my loans are covered, that if I die, they are covered.

I dunno. Once I actually talk to someone that matters within my job, I will be able to decide more easily. But as of right now I have no idea how my superiors feel on the subject.

Personally, I'd recommend against bringing up the issue with anyone you work with. Make your decision to either carry or not carry and don't let anyone else know about it.

Well, I've decided that I want an AR. But because there are so many out there to choose from, I don't know where to start. Any suggestions?

Yes.

Read this.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?81462-So-you-want-to-buy-an-AR-15-huh

Then read it again. :mrgreen:

[angdefeo]

I wanted to get a smaller 380 for carry as well. Carrying a compact 9mm around all of the time kinda get's annoying depending on what you are wearing!
What do you guys recommend for a .380 or smaller 9mm??

Beretta cheetah with the 13round option.

[~Brian~]

Yes.

Read this.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?81462-So-you-want-to-buy-an-AR-15-huh

Then read it again. :mrgreen:

Read all 2100 pages? lol

[Munky]

Need some help deciding, The S.O. says I can get another pistol, but its got to be something she can handle, my S&W MP R8 .357 is a little to much for her, she can maybe get 2 rounds until her arms and shoulders are sore (she's 130lbs) The other pistols I have are 22's that for me arent fun anymore, so I'm lookign for something a little bigger in caliber, something in a .38 or.45 even 9mm would do if its the right gun. I always like 1911 models but i'm not picky, I was look at the Walther Pk380, a 9mm that i was considering was the Beretta PX4 Storm, I got to shoot one a few weeks ago and was really impressed, also one of my favorites is the Remington 1911 R1. Feel free to throw your own suggestions in their, I have $1000 limit so be reasonable.

Let me also clarify that this is not going to be a CC gun, I use my Taurus M85 38 special for that, this will be a range shooter/home protection gun.

I have a Para 1911 f/s if you're interested PM ME.

[99corvette]

well just got a great deal on a like new ACOG TA01 with flat top mount for in the 5xx range shipped. from the pics it looks brand new. should be here in a few days.

[cmr076]

Yeah I can see what you mean. I will def search and read up on it as you suggested too.

The head of the distribution center is a down to earth guy as well so I'll probably sit in his office and talk to him about it. I feel it can't hurt since I'm not carrying yet anyway. I can understand both sides of the coin in general.

Part of me sees that yeah, someone (employee) could get pissed and shoot up the place, so it "avoids" that. But the other part of me asks, what if a non/ex employee or someone random decides to come in shooting? It also asks ok you don't want it in the building, I can see that, but in my personal vehicle? That's silly. But it goes back to part one of my post.

There are other coworkers that have their ltcf and carry outside of work full time and we've talked about it. I'm just soaking in as much as I can for my everyday life to decide what I need to do. I'd rather obey and continue to provide for my daughter and keep the job, than to risk losing it. BUT I won't not make my opinion known in a professional manor to my superiors just to see what they say you know?

Yes I know, "but if you get hurt or killed because you weren't carrying at work, then you can't provide for your daughter"... well I hate to say it like this but I have life insurance and her college fund aside. And I have no personal debt that would be left to my family to pay back. All of my loans are covered, that if I die, they are covered.

I dunno. Once I actually talk to someone that matters within my job, I will be able to decide more easily. But as of right now I have no idea how my superiors feel on the subject.

all ya' need:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/238-6.jpg

I have pictures with my pant leg down and another with it up, you can NOT see it at all... spare mag in my weak side front pocket and Im good to go. wedings, my old job, anywhere I want deep concealment that was the way to go... i will try and find pics with me wearing it.

[99corvette]

all ya' need:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/238-6.jpg

I have pictures with my pant leg down and another with it up, you can NOT see it at all... spare mag in my weak side front pocket and Im good to go. wedings, my old job, anywhere I want deep concealment that was the way to go... i will try and find pics with me wearing it.

nice, i need something small like that. was gonna go with a sig or the bodyguard.

[SvicksTc]

bodyguard's are nice, Ive been looking at them recently for deep concealment purposes

[99corvette]

i carry my glock 23 daily, just want something a little smaller

[SvicksTc]

i carry my glock 23 daily, just want something a little smaller

Ya I carry my G19 everyday, but there has definitely been some situations where I wish I had a more deeper concealable gun...

I would not replaced my G19 with the smaller gun, such as the bodyguard, but have it for situational purposes, especially in the warmer months with less garments covering...

[eviljokerSTI]

I have a Para 1911 f/s if you're interested PM ME.

Thanks but to buy from a private seller out of state is a bitch w/ NYS laws, my friend tried to ship a hand gun to his brother who lives in VT it took 6 weeks for the paper work to go through, but when he lived in AZ and shipped another gun to VT it took 10days total for processing and shipping, but thanks tho.

I talked to the wife and she likes the glock, we are going to the range this weekend to try one out and see how she likes it, I'm on the fence whether or not i like it but we will see, I'm leaning towards a 1911 tho, its always been my favorite style pistol, and now that i have the oppurtunity to get one i think i'm gonna go with it regardless, the mrs. is just gonna have to go to the gym to build up her arms and shoulders to handle to .45

[rodder]

Read all 2100 pages? lol

No, just the first couple posts written by the guy that made the thread.

[Ace09]

I would not replaced my G19 with the smaller gun, such as the bodyguard, but have it for situational purposes, especially in the warmer months with less garments covering...

^^^^That's exactly why I want a smaller handgun to carry. Mesh shorts don't really work with a heavier/larger handgun :mrgreen:

[DC2.2GSR]

Thanks but to buy from a private seller out of state is a bitch w/ NYS laws, my friend tried to ship a hand gun to his brother who lives in VT it took 6 weeks for the paper work to go through, but when he lived in AZ and shipped another gun to VT it took 10days total for processing and shipping, but thanks tho.

I talked to the wife and she likes the glock, we are going to the range this weekend to try one out and see how she likes it, I'm on the fence whether or not i like it but we will see, I'm leaning towards a 1911 tho, its always been my favorite style pistol, and now that i have the oppurtunity to get one i think i'm gonna go with it regardless, the mrs. is just gonna have to go to the gym to build up her arms and shoulders to handle to .45

For what it's worth - my compact M&P in .40S&W is snappier and feels stronger than most .45ACP guns I've shot, certainly more than a full size 1911. The size of the gun has a lot to do with that. Also, a .45 is a solid feeling 'push' whereas .40 is usually noticeably more of a snap and upward rotating sort of recoil. That makes most .40s a little tougher for smaller shooters to handle, but I've taught a few small framed girls how to shoot with my gun and they have all done great. Within only a mag or two worth of shooting you'd think they had been shooting for years. Handling recoil is at least 90% mechanics and has very little to do with size. Your girl might do just fine with the 1911 or any other .45ACP.

[SvicksTc]

For what it's worth - my compact M&P in .40S&W is snappier and feels stronger than most .45ACP guns I've shot, certainly more than a full size 1911. The size of the gun has a lot to do with that. Also, a .45 is a solid feeling 'push' whereas .40 is usually noticeably more of a snap and upward rotating sort of recoil. That makes most .40s a little tougher for smaller shooters to handle, but I've taught a few small framed girls how to shoot with my gun and they have all done great. Within only a mag or two worth of shooting you'd think they had been shooting for years. Handling recoil is at least 90% mechanics and has very little to do with size. Your girl might do just fine with the 1911 or any other .45ACP.

I have to agree once again with you Mike. I have shot Mike's M&P .40 when I was more fresh into shooting handguns and thought it was snappier than the .45's I was shooting.

This was until i understood the mechanics of recoil control and implemented proper recoil control techniques...

The way a gun recoils has a lot to do with grip of the gun. A 1911 .45 allows for a higher grip on the gun which helps "push" the gun more to the rear than upward. The higher the grip the better, essentially if you could hold the gun at the top of the slide this would be the "ideal" position for recoil control. Where if you had a low grip it would tend to bounce up. Then comes grip "thumb out" etc. (for most semi-autos) to keep balance on each side of the handgun because they tend to recoil up and to the left for a right handed shooter due to lack of support on the "reaction" hand. Apply thumbs forward grip compensates this.

I would bet should would like the .45 1911 better than the .40 with a few mags

I bet my girl can out shoot some guys on this site :mrgreen:

[DC2.2GSR]

I have to agree once again with you Mike. I have shot Mike's M&P .40 when I was more fresh into shooting handguns and thought it was snappier than the .45's I was shooting.

This was until i understood the mechanics of recoil control and implemented proper recoil control techniques...

The way a gun recoils has a lot to do with grip of the gun. A 1911 .45 allows for a higher grip on the gun which helps "push" the gun more to the rear than upward. The higher the grip the better, essentially if you could hold the gun at the top of the slide this would be the "ideal" position for recoil control. Where if you had a low grip it would tend to bounce up. Then comes grip "thumb out" etc. (for most semi-autos) to keep balance on each side of the handgun because they tend to recoil up and to the left for a right handed shooter due to lack of support on the "reaction" hand. Apply thumbs forward grip compensates this.

I would bet should would like the .45 1911 better than the .40 with a few mags

I bet my girl can out shoot some guys on this site :mrgreen:

You're right about the grip position affecting felt recoil, but the M&P and most other plastic guns (glock, etc.) actually allow for a higher grip position than 1911s. My old Sig P229, for example, is similar in dimensions to a 1911 and it felt 'snappier' than my M&P, even though it was heavier and had a larger grip surface (more to hold onto). The Sig and 1911s can rotate upward more because your hand is farther below the center line of the barrel. With the same shooting technique used on each gun, the Sig caused a noticeably larger amount of muzzle rise than my M&P.

When I describe the .45 as a 'push' and the .40 as a 'snap', that's based on some messing around at the range one day with a friend's Glock 30SF (.45ACP), vs. my M&P40C vs. a rented M&P45C and XD40 Compact vs. my Sig P229 (.40S&W) vs. a friend's P220 Elite (.45ACP) ... with each comparable gun (the ones that were the same size and weight) the .40s felt like more recoil. The .45s are similar in strength I guess you could say, but they feel like a tamer and more controllable sort of recoil. It's actually sort of weird because you'd expect the larger round to pound you a bit more, but .45s are heavy and slow so it sort of evens it out.

[Munky]

Went to the range today to give a former classmate some instruction on firearms & shooting. Was a pretty successful day. Snapped a pic of some of my crew that I decided to bring out for her to try.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/MunkysSRT4/Guns2/2011-10-04_12-15-30_270.jpg

[SvicksTc]

^^^Great pic

How do you like that MSAR?

[cmr076]

nice, i need something small like that. was gonna go with a sig or the bodyguard.

stay away from the P238, biggest POS ever. I liked it because it was like a baby 1911 but it had to be sent back to Sig for dumb issues and had FTE and FTF constantly.

Take a look at the Kahr P9, its not a 380 and is TINY (4" iirc) plus you can add a crimson trace to it and maintain the tiny size.

[eviljokerSTI]

Went to the range today to give a former classmate some instruction on firearms & shooting. Was a pretty successful day. Snapped a pic of some of my crew that I decided to bring out for her to try.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/MunkysSRT4/Guns2/2011-10-04_12-15-30_270.jpg


Ok those punisher guns are the tits! nice setup

I wish you guys didnt live so damn far away i would love to go shooting with you all. seem like a very knowledgable bunch, I got into shooting later in life around 20yrs old, I grew up in BK so it was kinda hard to just go out to a range. Started off with 22. rifles and a few shot guns then when i turned 21 i got my handgun permit then at 22 i applied for my CC license, it took about a year to go through all the BS but it was worht it. I dont normally carry all the time tho, as I live in upstate NY now and work in manhattan, plus I take public trans. to work and park my car in a commuter lot so i dont keep the gun in the car, but on weekends depending where we are going I'll carry. I love my Taurus tho, Its a tough and easily carried, I use either an ankle holster, or Uncle mikes inside the pants holster depending on what i'm wearing.

Has anyone actually had to draw on someone before? I've had to once when my wife, (gf at the time) were up in VT camping and some guy came walking through our campsite while we were sleeping. I got out of the tent and he was just wandering around I never aimed it at him but I held it so he could see it, I asked what he wanted (with a few more adjectives) he turned around and ran off, I fired off a warning shot in the air to scare him some, then we immediatly packed our **** and got the **** outta dodge. We called the state police and reported it but nothing ever came of it.

[Ace09]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/MunkysSRT4/Guns2/2011-10-04_12-15-30_270.jpg

^^^^^ BADASS Setup man!

[DC2.2GSR]

Ok those punisher guns are the tits! nice setup

I wish you guys didnt live so damn far away i would love to go shooting with you all. seem like a very knowledgable bunch, I got into shooting later in life around 20yrs old, I grew up in BK so it was kinda hard to just go out to a range. Started off with 22. rifles and a few shot guns then when i turned 21 i got my handgun permit then at 22 i applied for my CC license, it took about a year to go through all the BS but it was worht it. I dont normally carry all the time tho, as I live in upstate NY now and work in manhattan, plus I take public trans. to work and park my car in a commuter lot so i dont keep the gun in the car, but on weekends depending where we are going I'll carry. I love my Taurus tho, Its a tough and easily carried, I use either an ankle holster, or Uncle mikes inside the pants holster depending on what i'm wearing.

Has anyone actually had to draw on someone before? I've had to once when my wife, (gf at the time) were up in VT camping and some guy came walking through our campsite while we were sleeping. I got out of the tent and he was just wandering around I never aimed it at him but I held it so he could see it, I asked what he wanted (with a few more adjectives) he turned around and ran off, I fired off a warning shot in the air to scare him some, then we immediatly packed our **** and got the **** outta dodge. We called the state police and reported it but nothing ever came of it.

:eek: wow. That's ridiculous. That could land you in jail for a long time. You're lucky you were in the middle of nowhere, where the police didn't give a sh*t.

[rodder]

I fired off a warning shot in the air to scare him some, then we immediatly packed our **** and got the **** outta dodge. We called the state police and reported it but nothing ever came of it.

Please don't shoot into the air. What goes up must come down.

You broke rules number 3 and 4.

If you absolutely, positively MUST fire a warning shot for some reason, shoot into the ground.

[Munky]

^^^Great pic

How do you like that MSAR?

Thanks! I took it with my Motorola Atrix :bigeek: I love/hate the MSAR. It's a great conversation piece when I bring it out but at the same time I sometimes hate having to sit there and explain that it's an AUG clone and how much time it takes up from actually shooting. :lol:

Ok those punisher guns are the tits! nice setup.

Thanks!

^^^^^ BADASS Setup man!

Thanks but it pales in comparison to some of the guys here. :o

[eviljokerSTI]

:eek: wow. That's ridiculous. That could land you in jail for a long time. You're lucky you were in the middle of nowhere, where the police didn't give a sh*t.

Please don't shoot into the air. What goes up must come down.

You broke rules number 3 and 4.

If you absolutely, positively MUST fire a warning shot for some reason, shoot into the ground.

yes I know this happened only a few months after i first got my CC, I was informed of that when we contacted the police, I told them i fired one shot as a warning b/c i was going to have to tell them i was carrying and they would of most likely checked out all my guns b/c i was out of state. The cop was pretty cool about it tho, he told me next time to shoot at a tree or the ground. This was up in the Barton area of VT, and anyone who has ever been up their will know what type of area it is.

[SvicksTc]

munky have you had any issues with the msar...I've heard plenty of mixed reviews

[blkZ06]

Rangetime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZeKVM0hGU

[99corvette]

Rangetime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZeKVM0hGU

damn jordan, i want that mp5k. what range is this by the way?

[SvicksTc]

Nice collection, has to be hella fun going to the range with you haha

[Munky]

munky have you had any issues with the msar...I've heard plenty of mixed reviews

The only real issue I have had with it came from using ****ty ammo. I was using some of that TulAmmo/Wolf/Whatever you wanna call it. It was cheap and I'm ashamed of doing it.:o Anyway every few rounds the spent casing would get "stuck" in the barrel and not extract. It would be in there so tight I would have to remove the barrel and jam the cleaning rod in to push it out. :mad: I took a nice wire brush to the end of the barrel and then polished it a tiny bit with my dremel. So far no more issues and I've switched back to brass casings only. :mrgreen:

[schearer225]

sick AUG!!

[Got Insulin?]

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/epic-fail-photos-gun-safety-fail.gif

[Munky]

sick AUG!!

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/MunkysSRT4/Smilies/BangHead.gif

[CleanNeon98]

My Mosin is having a sticky bolt issue. Someone said to use a 12 gauge brush to clean the chamber, something about cosmoline getting stuck in there and needing to be "buffed" out. Basically when you shoot and go to eject, the bolt doesn't want to slide all the way up, it needs to be smacked up. The guy I talked to said it was pretty common but before I go to work I wanna make sure I'm doing the right thing. Advice?

[~Brian~]

This came in the mail today... I wonder what it could be?? :bigeek:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/snowboy1232001/9fb44d69.jpg

Oh Haiii!! :mrgreen:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/snowboy1232001/b90dbd75.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/snowboy1232001/7b79c0ee.jpg

CrossBreed SuperTuck Deluxe with horsehide and combat cut

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/snowboy1232001/84ec5cf5.jpg

[Munky]

The Jesus freak holster...

[cmr076]

My Mosin is having a sticky bolt issue. Someone said to use a 12 gauge brush to clean the chamber, something about cosmoline getting stuck in there and needing to be "buffed" out. Basically when you shoot and go to eject, the bolt doesn't want to slide all the way up, it needs to be smacked up. The guy I talked to said it was pretty common but before I go to work I wanna make sure I'm doing the right thing. Advice?

advice:

man up and smack the bolt. do you have any idea how old that gun is! and it was sitting in cosmolene for YEARS more than likely. Shoot it, clean it, work the bolt and dont be afraid to use some force.

The Jesus freak holster...

thats why I refuse to buy one. That and desantis has never let me down...





guys, I am in the mood to make a new purchase. I know i said i wasnt going to this year but.... well I want to now :lol: any suggestions? (and jordan I made it WAYYYY longer than you thought I would)

[~Brian~]

The Jesus freak holster...

Who gives a fucck? I bought it because it's a top quality holster and it will do a great job of hiding my XDm.

[cmr076]

Who gives a fucck?

people who dont want religion brought into their every facet of their lives.

[~Brian~]

people who dont want religion brought into their every facet of their lives.

I can agree with that, but the religion part was in no way taken into consideration when I bought it. I don't follow any religious denomination.

Like I said, I bought it because it is a very good holster and I needed something that would almost completely conceal a large gun on my skinny frame. And it does a good job of it.

[SvicksTc]

I can agree with that, but the religion part was in no way taken into consideration when I bought it. I don't follow any religious denomination.

Like I said, I bought it because it is a very good holster and I needed something that would almost completely conceal a large gun on my skinny frame. And it does a good job of it.

As the others stated, only reason I did not buy one due to the religous symbols on the holster...don't get me wrong its a great quality holster...and you may not have bought it with the religous view in mind but other people might see that and stir the pot even more ontop of our 2nd amendment rights...

why I went with the galco king tuk and comptac mtac

[cmr076]

STEVE, answer my question goddammit or i will be forced to but something YOU want to spite you :)

[SvicksTc]

STEVE, answer my question goddammit or i will be forced to but something YOU want to spite you :)

haha you would shoot me a text since everytime I try and text you..you don't get it :(

you have had so much cool ish or prolly have it...but im sure you're itching to get something I knew you once had ;)

[Munky]

thats why I refuse to buy one. That and desantis has never let me down...

Troof! That and comp-tac makes a better holster without the weeks of wait time either (unless the Jesus freak has finally made moves to produce his faster). :rock:

Who gives a fucck? I bought it because it's a top quality holster and it will do a great job of hiding my XDm.

What this guy said...
people who dont want religion brought into their every facet of their lives.
:mrgreen:

[~Brian~]

well too ****ing bad if you don't like it. I do.

[CleanNeon98]

advice:

man up and smack the bolt. do you have any idea how old that gun is! and it was sitting in cosmolene for YEARS more than likely. Shoot it, clean it, work the bolt and dont be afraid to use some force.



thats why I refuse to buy one. That and desantis has never let me down...





guys, I am in the mood to make a new purchase. I know i said i wasnt going to this year but.... well I want to now :lol: any suggestions? (and jordan I made it WAYYYY longer than you thought I would)
It's a lot harder than it sounds. My buddy is pretty bulky and even he had trouble with it, not to mention that the bolt shouldn't be sticking anyway. We both had sore and bruised palms after shooting through just 20 rounds together. I'm looking for a real solution for this, not just jokes about me being feeble.

[ohfivegoat]

just picked up the North American Arms mini revolver .22 magnum pug as my carry. anyone have one?? looking to get an ar but not want to spend 700+ any suggestions?

[SvicksTc]

just picked up the North American Arms mini revolver .22 magnum pug as my carry. anyone have one?? looking to get an ar but not want to spend 700+ any suggestions?

is this for serious? I would really reconsider your carry weapon. I mean .22caliber you better be well trained for a "threat stopping" shot with a .22

Plus no trigger guard, single action only (im assuming) Does not make things real safe when carrying IMO. That is drawing, cocking, aiming, pulling the trigger for 1 round of .22 (really think about that)...all wasted movement, especially if your being gunned against a semi auto.. Hell even someone coming at you with a different kind of weapon...you really think it the time its going to take you to keep pulling back on that hammer and regaining point on aim that person would not be on top of you, especially at the distance you would need to be to even effectively shoot that weapon without the concern for liability and "fliers"

I would sure feel outgunned...just imagine if the BG has a .45acp...

Not trying to be a dick, but I think you need to reconsider your options, if a pocket gun is what you're looking for...there is plenty of nice options out their in a larger caliber such as .380acp

As for the AR suggestions...buy once, cry once... Im sure you could pick something decent up used on the forums for that price no problem

but IMO i would buy a better carry weapon instead of an AR, and save that novelty pea shooter for the range

Basically would you really put your life on that weapon? I sure as hell would not, and would i effectively be able to stop a threat without the potential of a "flier" a loved one or bystander at 10+ feet with that thing...i doubt it



Cleanneon, take Dave's advice, look up a good way to clean a surplus rifle that has been sitting in camosline for years...

[ohfivegoat]

is this for serious? I would really reconsider your carry weapon. I mean .22caliber you better be well trained for a "threat stopping" shot with a .22

Plus no trigger guard, single action only (im assuming) Does not make things real safe when carrying IMO. That is drawing, cocking, aiming, pulling the trigger for 1 round of .22 (really think about that)...all wasted movement, especially if your being gunned against a semi auto.. Hell even someone coming at you with a different kind of weapon...you really think it the time its going to take you to keep pulling back on that hammer and regaining point on aim that person would not be on top of you, especially at the distance you would need to be to even effectively shoot that weapon without the concern for liability and "fliers"

I would sure feel outgunned...just imagine if the BG has a .45acp...

Not trying to be a dick, but I think you need to reconsider your options, if a pocket gun is what you're looking for...there is plenty of nice options out their in a larger caliber such as .380acp

As for the AR suggestions...buy once, cry once... Im sure you could pick something decent up used on the forums for that price no problem

but IMO i would buy a better carry weapon instead of an AR, and save that novelty pea shooter for the range

Basically would you really put your life on that weapon? I sure as hell would not, and would i effectively be able to stop a threat without the potential of a "flier" a loved one or bystander at 10+ feet with that thing...i doubt it



Cleanneon, take Dave's advice, look up a good way to clean a surplus rifle that has been sitting in camosline for years...




I only carry it when I'm wearing shorts my everyday is my ruger LCP 380 i just thought it was a cool little gun to add to my collection. Thanks for the ar advice i most likely will just get it new. Ill get over the cost once i take it to the range.

[DC2.2GSR]

I only carry it when I'm wearing shorts my everyday is my ruger LCP 380 i just thought it was a cool little gun to add to my collection. Thanks for the ar advice i most likely will just get it new. Ill get over the cost once i take it to the range.

A cool little gun to add to your collection - maybe. Something to carry? Absolutely no way in hell. To leave the house with only that thing 'in your pocket' is irresponsible and stupid. Sorry if that seems harsh, but it's the truth. Besides, with a main carry gun like the LCP (IMO too small for a main gun as it is), why would you ever want to go smaller? The LCP is the summer pocket carry gun, and it's actually chambered in a round that's considered to be effective. In fact, it's the minimum you should ever carry, according to the vast majority of reliable sources on the subject.

I have no doubt that it's a fun little novelty gun, but I would seriously think about what you're doing if you ever carry it.

[ohfivegoat]

A cool little gun to add to your collection - maybe. Something to carry? Absolutely no way in hell. To leave the house with only that thing 'in your pocket' is irresponsible and stupid. Sorry if that seems harsh, but it's the truth. Besides, with a main carry gun like the LCP (IMO too small for a main gun as it is), why would you ever want to go smaller? The LCP is the summer pocket carry gun, and it's actually chambered in a round that's considered to be effective. In fact, it's the minimum you should ever carry, according to the vast majority of reliable sources on the subject.

I have no doubt that it's a fun little novelty gun, but I would seriously think about what you're doing if you ever carry it.

yeah i see what your saying. I've been looking around for a pocket 9mm i was thinking about the LC9 yay or nay? don't worry about being harsh I'm always interested in what others have to say.

[DC2.2GSR]

I like the concept of the LC9, but unless they make one without an external safety I'll never own one.

Any reason you're hooked on pocket carry? If you're into the idea of carrying small guns, IWB carry would be perfect no matter what time of the year it is. You could carry your LCP of even the LC9 or similar in a good IWB holster with very little to no printing. Actually, I know that I'd forget it was there since I sometimes do the same while carrying a larger gun. Any smaller and it would just disappear.

[rodder]

Rangetime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZeKVM0hGU

you seriously need to come over to my buddy's farm. :eek:

[ohfivegoat]

I like the concept of the LC9, but unless they make one without an external safety I'll never own one.

Any reason you're hooked on pocket carry? If you're into the idea of carrying small guns, IWB carry would be perfect no matter what time of the year it is. You could carry your LCP of even the LC9 or similar in a good IWB holster with very little to no printing. Actually, I know that I'd forget it was there since I sometimes do the same while carrying a larger gun. Any smaller and it would just disappear.

the only reason I'm into the pocket guns is because i usually wear jeans and a t shirt and I'm medium build so i feel like a holster would a. stick out and b. be uncomfortable. I've also never carried with a holster so i don't really know what to expect. also, i live in the snobby suburbs where everyone is either a lawyer or a doctor so there isn't much need for a huge gun to carry. just a littlee one just in case.

[SvicksTc]

the only reason I'm into the pocket guns is because i usually wear jeans and a t shirt and I'm medium build so i feel like a holster would a. stick out and b. be uncomfortable. I've also never carried with a holster so i don't really know what to expect. also, i live in the snobby suburbs where everyone is either a lawyer or a doctor so there isn't much need for a huge gun to carry. just a littlee one just in case.

Having that mindset about carrying might not be the greatest. I tend to think anything can happen, anywhere, at anytime, and when shtf, it tends to happen very quickly and dynamically.

If i had the mindset "oh I live in this so and so neighborhood, this is a little just in case, but nothing will probably happen" I feel I would be not fully prepared?

Idk, maybe thats just me... Its not only a huge responsibility in my eyes, its a mindset


Im 6'0 and 160 (so not big), I carry a G19 daily in a IWB Galco King Tut or a Compac M-tac (but more the galco than the M-tac, just feels a little more secure on my draw) and i wear jeans, tighter shirts and i print on certain postures, however, the sheep are so mindless going about their everyday lives, and cellphones these days, nobody every really takes notice... with a quality holster you wont really know its there, honestly you will probably be more happy getting that weight out of your pocket :)

edit: I also carry just about 3oclock which tends to print more on me due to my body type,however, that's how I feel most comfortable and efficient in drawing..but a lot of people tend to carry around the 4oclock I have found which helps concealment

[~Brian~]

Im 6'0 and 160 (so not big), I carry a G19 daily in a IWB Galco King Tut or a Compac M-tac (but more the galco than the M-tac, just feels a little more secure on my draw) and i wear jeans, tighter shirts and i print on certain postures, however, the sheep are so mindless going about their everyday lives, and cellphones these days, nobody every really takes notice... with a quality holster you wont really know its there, honestly you will probably be more happy getting that weight out of your pocket :)

edit: I also carry just about 3oclock which tends to print more on me due to my body type,however, that's how I feel most comfortable and efficient in drawing..but a lot of people tend to carry around the 4oclock I have found which helps concealment

I completely agree with everything that he said. I am built, dress and carry the exact same way as Steve, with the only exception being that my EDC pistol is larger. With the right holster, you can make it your gun almost completely disappear.

[ohfivegoat]

I completely agree with everything that he said. I am built, dress and carry the exact same way as Steve, with the only exception being that my EDC pistol is larger. With the right holster, you can make it your gun almost completely disappear.

i never looked at it that way. I'm convinced! ill do some research on a larger carry

[DC2.2GSR]

i never looked at it that way. I'm convinced! ill do some research on a larger carry

:thumbup:

Read this entire article....

FBI - Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness (http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf)

It's sort of old, but it's all applicable. The main differences between then and now would be that modern ammunition is more capable in smaller calibers.

[SvicksTc]

So I have been contemplating a new toy or upgrading my AR...

Well I decided im going to upgrade my current AR setup for when the SHTF

Going to order:

Magpul B.A.D
Magpul UBR Stock
Magpul MOE Vertical Grip
Flashlight Attachment
Flashlight
Eotech 512 Holographic Optic
Eotech 4x Magnifier

Some other odds and ends, now i just need to decide if i want to black/earth color combo with accessories

If so ill swap out the Houge Pistol Grip with a Magpul and my Magpul MBUIS ill have to get a set in dark earth

Not sure if i can get an ambidex safety and mag release or just order a new lower... (that would complete my SHTF setup)

[cmr076]

steve,

text me at some point today if you can, I want to talk about getting the G19 back :)

[99corvette]

So I have been contemplating a new toy or upgrading my AR...

Well I decided im going to upgrade my current AR setup for when the SHTF

Going to order:

Magpul B.A.D
Magpul UBR Stock
Magpul MOE Vertical Grip
Flashlight Attachment
Flashlight
Eotech 512 Holographic Optic
Eotech 4x Magnifier

Some other odds and ends, now i just need to decide if i want to black/earth color combo with accessories

If so ill swap out the Houge Pistol Grip with a Magpul and my Magpul MBUIS ill have to get a set in dark earth

Not sure if i can get an ambidex safety and mag release or just order a new lower... (that would complete my SHTF setup)

check out the troy bolt release over the magpul bad, i ended up getting the troy and i love it. as for the eotech set up that is the ****, i passed on a eotech mpo 3 about two months ago i wish i ended up buying, guy only wanted 700 for it brand new. im pretty sure someone was making a ambi safety, but as for the mag release you would need a new lower i beleave. heres a bunch of different ambi set up for the safety http://www.google.com/#q=ambidextrous+safety+on+a+ar15&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&ei=NHyVTuWgCoaatweBmIWfBw&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=image&resnum=4&ved=0CD0QzAMwAw&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=80434a3d6cd1e277&biw=1024&bih=597

[rodder]

So I have been contemplating a new toy or upgrading my AR...

Well I decided im going to upgrade my current AR setup for when the SHTF

Going to order:

Magpul B.A.D
Magpul UBR Stock
Magpul MOE Vertical Grip
Flashlight Attachment
Flashlight
Eotech 512 Holographic Optic
Eotech 4x Magnifier

Some other odds and ends, now i just need to decide if i want to black/earth color combo with accessories

If so ill swap out the Houge Pistol Grip with a Magpul and my Magpul MBUIS ill have to get a set in dark earth

Not sure if i can get an ambidex safety and mag release or just order a new lower... (that would complete my SHTF setup)

Why not an eotech XPS? The 2-0 is the one I've got my eye on.

EDIT: Oh, I'd also check out the stark pistol grip. I absolutely love mine and decided it was the nicest and most comfortable grip out there after trying a bunch of them.

Here's mine in OD green:
http://www.andywdesign.com/misc_images/m4.jpg

[SvicksTc]

^^^No XPS for me because, the battery source...The 512 uses double A batteries and the XPS uses a lithium ion battery and if SHTF and needed batteries I think I would be able to come across, or have some Double A's laying around compared to a CR Lithium Battery...

They are essentially the same thing, just the XPS is smaller and uses a different battery source (which i dont like)

Thats just me though....

I will have to look into the troy bolt release, and ive always looked at the stark grip but it looked uncomfortable to me..I love my Houge Pistol Grip but if i go for the black/dark earth look then the grip will have to go

[99corvette]

went to the mountains this past weekend, got to fire a few of the toys. only took two vids tho.
hk 51
http://youtu.be/MT_EoITNQas

tromix saiga 12
http://youtu.be/XgpbnS1ERQ4

[SvicksTc]

^^Videos are private?

[99corvette]

fixed it

[CleanNeon98]

Got the new recoil spring for my glock gen 4. Been doing a lot of reading about the erradic ejection issues (as in not throwing the rounds consistently in one direction, a lot of times over my head, shoulder, or right in the goggles). The recoil spring doesn't seem to solve the problem for people, but getting an extractor from a company called Lone Wolf seems to work sometimes, other times people dig deeper. I paid 565 for the gun, getting offers of ~300 to trade it in, so I think I'll tinker with it and avoid the loss because I really love the gun otherwise. Extractor seems fairly easy to replace and even if I do go further, it's still cheaper than overnight shipping to Glock and waiting 6 weeks for them to (according to glock forum members) ship the gun back and say it's within spec.

I probably asked before, but does anyone else here have a G19.4 that has these problems?

[99corvette]

Got the new recoil spring for my glock gen 4. Been doing a lot of reading about the erradic ejection issues (as in not throwing the rounds consistently in one direction, a lot of times over my head, shoulder, or right in the goggles). The recoil spring doesn't seem to solve the problem for people, but getting an extractor from a company called Lone Wolf seems to work sometimes, other times people dig deeper. I paid 565 for the gun, getting offers of ~300 to trade it in, so I think I'll tinker with it and avoid the loss because I really love the gun otherwise. Extractor seems fairly easy to replace and even if I do go further, it's still cheaper than overnight shipping to Glock and waiting 6 weeks for them to (according to glock forum members) ship the gun back and say it's within spec.

I probably asked before, but does anyone else here have a G19.4 that has these problems?

that sucks man, my buddy bought a glock gen 4 not too long ago in 10mm, not sure what model. been having nothing but problems with it.

[CleanNeon98]

that sucks man, my buddy bought a glock gen 4 not too long ago in 10mm, not sure what model. been having nothing but problems with it.
From doing some reading, many 1911s, XDs, etc. have rear-ward ejection issues as well and need to be "tuned". It doesn't really stovepipe, happened to my buddy on his first shot with it cause he was holding the gun loose, and to me when I first started shooting, but I haven't had it lately. I guess I'll try the extractor but if it doesn't work, I guess it's not the end of the world, I thought this was a Gen 4 only issue but it seems to happen among many brands.

Also, I've put ~500 rounds through this guy and never stripped the slide to clean it. Should probably do that before my next trip to the range Friday, I did a quick detail strip and the firing pin was definitely in need of cleaning.

edit: I did have one failure to eject recently but I it felt like a weak round, it barely kicked and was much quieter than usual, for that I blame the ammo, not the gun.

What problems is your buddy having? I thought it was mainly a problem with the 19 frame.

[CleanNeon98]

On the upside, I bought a fairly inexpensive gun that needs some work, I could have gotten one for 2x as much that would have potentially had issues as well. At least this way, I'll get to learn the ins and outs of my 19 :)

[SvicksTc]

I would try the ejector like i originally mentioned as well as the RSA that you have it now...

Remember not to limp wrist or could cause failure to eject, etc..

The ejector is real easy to replace....

Ill give you 400 ;)

[CleanNeon98]

If I get rid of it, I will need something else for a CCW, so trades would be preffered.

[92awdtsi]

that sucks man, my buddy bought a glock gen 4 not too long ago in 10mm, not sure what model. been having nothing but problems with it.

20 is fullsize 29 is subcompact. I'm looking into a 10mm in the near future.

[CleanNeon98]

Now apparently glock is "upgrading" a.k.a. recalling, their 9mm Gen 4 Ejectors in favor of re-angled and re-shaped ones. Downside with this is Glock is not selling the parts yet, you have to ship them the gun and they install it. I just ordered the Extractor, lets see if that works before I send these goons back my gun.

[rodder]

Now apparently glock is "upgrading" a.k.a. recalling, their 9mm Gen 4 Ejectors in favor of re-angled and re-shaped ones. Downside with this is Glock is not selling the parts yet, you have to ship them the gun and they install it. I just ordered the Extractor, lets see if that works before I send these goons back my gun.

Shoulda gotten an XD. :-p:mrgreen:

[CleanNeon98]

As it turns out I jumped the gun on that extractor anyway, gotta email Lonewolf to cancel the order. Apparently now Glock is replacing the Ejector and the Extractor, in apparently 2-3 weeks turnaround but others have had quicker service. Apparently the guns work as they should with the revised parts so I'll be sending it in :(

I kind of anticipated this so 2 weeks ago I got me a Ruger GP100 4" .357MAG. A shame I can't carry it, but it's something to shoot in the meantime. Love the dual personality of the gun, with 38 specials it's easier than the G19, and boy are the 357 rounds FUN!

[~Brian~]

Shoulda gotten an XD. :-p:mrgreen:

QFT :mrgreen:

[Munky]

Shoulda gotten a Gen3. :-p:mrgreen:

Fixed for accuracy! :wink:

[Munky]

On the upside, I bought a fairly inexpensive gun that needs some work, I could have gotten one for 2x as much that would have potentially had issues as well. At least this way, I'll get to learn the ins and outs of my 19 :)

I'm sorry but am I the only one that doesn't see this as an upside??? I mean you bought a new gun and it's not working properly. I see that as a failure and that they should replace/repair it quickly and for free (shipping & all). Also you might wanna do a lil more research before buying your next one. :lol:

[CleanNeon98]

I'm sorry but am I the only one that doesn't see this as an upside??? I mean you bought a new gun and it's not working properly. I see that as a failure and that they should replace/repair it quickly and for free (shipping & all). Also you might wanna do a lil more research before buying your next one. :lol:
I phrased that wrong haha

[~Brian~]

Speaking of replacing parts, I think it's time for me to replace the spring in my gun. The gun just feels clunky when it cycles and I can actually see the slide moving forward.. never used to be able to see that because it happened so quickly.

[SvicksTc]

Speaking of replacing parts, I think it's time for me to replace the spring in my gun. The gun just feels clunky when it cycles and I can actually see the slide moving forward.. never used to be able to see that because it happened so quickly.

Idk if you can do this with XD's but i would imagine...

With a Glock you can check the RSA by:

1. Unloading the gun (obviously)
2. Dry fire the gun (while keeping the trigger held)
3. Point the muzzle up and rack the slide back (holding it to the rear)
4. Ride the slide forward til it is almost in battery and let it go...

if it slides into battery fine your spring should be good...

Dont go shooting your walls again ;)

[~Brian~]

Idk if you can do this with XD's but i would imagine...

With a Glock you can check the RSA by:

1. Unloading the gun (obviously)
2. Dry fire the gun (while keeping the trigger held)
3. Point the muzzle up and rack the slide back (holding it to the rear)
4. Ride the slide forward til it is almost in battery and let it go...

if it slides into battery fine your spring should be good...

Dont go shooting your walls again ;)

Well it's a pain with the XD's, but Springfield made it much simpler with the XDm's. All i have to do is twist the slide rail out of the spring and then spring is a separate piece.

[99corvette]

dude those springs shouldnt have to be replace unless you have run thousands of rounds through them or you keep your slide locked back all the time. unless its a known problem.

[SvicksTc]

dude those springs shouldnt have to be replace unless you have run thousands of rounds through them or you keep your slide locked back all the time. unless its a known problem.

This is usually true, but not all parts wear the same way...hell some even break..

Not saying it happens often, but it does..

Brian, try to look into if the XD's can check the "health" of the spring similar to Glock's

I can make a video if you want...

[~Brian~]

dude those springs shouldnt have to be replace unless you have run thousands of rounds through them or you keep your slide locked back all the time. unless its a known problem.

Any idea what it could be then?

[SvicksTc]

^^ Did you change your grip by chance?

[~Brian~]

This is usually true, but not all parts wear the same way...hell some even break..

Not saying it happens often, but it does..

Brian, try to look into if the XD's can check the "health" of the spring similar to Glock's

I can make a video if you want...

Alright, I'll look into that later today when I get out of class

[99corvette]

only time i have ever come across this was with a dirty gun, im not saying it cant be the spring and most likely you do keep you gun clean. when you do pull your slide back how does it feel? is it nice and smooth or notchy?

[CleanNeon98]

Glock says to replace their RSA every 5,000 rounds I believe. That's a lotta shooting.

[~Brian~]

Alright, well I'll call Springfield tomorrow to see what they have to say.

In other news, I bought a scope for the Marlin tonight.

Ended up going with a Redfield Revolution 3-9x40mm (http://www.redfield.com/riflescopes/)

[99corvette]

Alright, well I'll call Springfield tomorrow to see what they have to say.

In other news, I bought a scope for the Marlin tonight.

Ended up going with a Redfield Revolution 3-9x40mm (http://www.redfield.com/riflescopes/)

nice scope, my father hunts with a redfield wide view. its been on his springfield 03a3 since he built it in his late teens. never giving him a problem and still is very clear. hes 60 years old now. rifle has been used every year for deer season.

[rodder]

Speaking of replacing parts, I think it's time for me to replace the spring in my gun. The gun just feels clunky when it cycles and I can actually see the slide moving forward.. never used to be able to see that because it happened so quickly.

My XD45 has over 2000 rounds through it and I wouldn't even think of replacing the recoil spring yet. If yours is really wearing out that quickly there is definitely something else going on.

[~Brian~]

My XD45 has over 2000 rounds through it and I wouldn't even think of replacing the recoil spring yet. If yours is really wearing out that quickly there is definitely something else going on.

Well I def have more than 2,000 rounds through mine, but not enough to where I think the spring would wear out already. I'm really not sure, I think I should just call Springfield.

[DC2.2GSR]

Well I def have more than 2,000 rounds through mine, but not enough to where I think the spring would wear out already. I'm really not sure, I think I should just call Springfield.

Maybe I missed it a while back, but have you actually cleaned the recoil spring? That should be a part of every cleaning, along with the mags. I fully disassemble the mags and clean them and also scrub the sh*t out of the recoil spring and guide rod every time I clean my gun. I just use a nylon brush (toothbrush) and some MPro7 foam cleaner and go to work on it until it stops dripping grey liquid. Maybe that could help your issues?

There's always upgrading too. I know there are some companies who make metal guide rods and different strength springs for all kinds of guns, probably XDs too.

[~Brian~]

Maybe I missed it a while back, but have you actually cleaned the recoil spring? That should be a part of every cleaning, along with the mags. I fully disassemble the mags and clean them and also scrub the sh*t out of the recoil spring and guide rod every time I clean my gun. I just use a nylon brush (toothbrush) and some MPro7 foam cleaner and go to work on it until it stops dripping grey liquid. Maybe that could help your issues?

There's always upgrading too. I know there are some companies who make metal guide rods and different strength springs for all kinds of guns, probably XDs too.

Yep, I clean it all the time. As for upgrading, because its my EDC, I'm trying to keep it as stock as possible.

[~Brian~]

Received my gun belt today from CrossBreed and I have to say, it is a noticeable difference when I carry. My pants actually stay up without having to crank down on the belt!

[Burnt2Death]

I am looking to get my first handgun. Been thinking about it for a while now to have pretty much just for home use and some local range shooting. Any suggestions on good "beginner" handguns? And exactly how the process works of getting it registered and what the background check entails? I have owned and operated rifles and shotguns off and on for a few years and I have let off a few rounds in handguns. Just never owned my own personal one actually.

Any tips or helpful info would be great. Thanks.

[~Brian~]

How much are you looking to spend?

[Burnt2Death]

Somewhere below $250-300 range. I know not much, but if I do enjoy shooting and I have a chance to upgrade in the long run I will. Just want to kind of "test the waters" if you will. Looking for a small decent handgun that is comfortable to hold and has pretty smooth action. Are the HiPoint guns any decent? They are pretty cheap I noticed with not too bad of reviews online...

[cmr076]

Somewhere below $250-300 range. I know not much, but if I do enjoy shooting and I have a chance to upgrade in the long run I will. Just want to kind of "test the waters" if you will. Looking for a small decent handgun that is comfortable to hold and has pretty smooth action. Are the HiPoint guns any decent? They are pretty cheap I noticed with not too bad of reviews online...

hipoint are the pinto of gun... PLEASE stay away, look for a deal on a glock, or even taurus over hi point. Glocks can be had around your price range or a little more, and taurus' will be right around the 250-300.

I have to run but I am sure one of the other guys will give you all the info you need, but check out PAFOA, make sure to take EVERYTHING on there with a grain of salt.

[99corvette]

hipoint are the pinto of gun... PLEASE stay away, look for a deal on a glock, or even taurus over hi point. Glocks can be had around your price range or a little more, and taurus' will be right around the 250-300.

I have to run but I am sure one of the other guys will give you all the info you need, but check out PAFOA, make sure to take EVERYTHING on there with a grain of salt.

+1, please do yourself a favor and stay away from hi points. I beleave buds guns has police glock trade ins for sale. Even look at some sigs. There's a lot of good quality used guns out there. Do some research before buying, you will be happy in the long run.

[DC2.2GSR]

My advice is to wait until you can up the price range to about $350-400+. In that range would be just about any used Springfield XD, Glock, S&W M&P, etc. You might even find a used 'something else' with a little holster wear for that price. I would stay away from S&W Sigmas, Hi Points, some Taurus, most Kel-Tec, and basically anything else that's sub-$400 new. You don't have to break the bank and buy a fancy "cool" gun, but buying a handgun (or gun of any kind) is not something to cheap out on. If it's purely for messing around at the range that's one thing, but if there's even a slight chance that you'll ever put it to any kind of self defense use you want something that's built well and you can rely on.

I too can't stay on here long to write more, but hopefully that will help.

[SvicksTc]

Someone has an ecotech they want to sell me :)

Like the other said stay away from cheap guns just to get a gun. Save up the extra couple hundre and get yourself a glock, xd, m&p, something along those lines..buy once, cry once..

You can find either of these brands for sale used and if wait for the right deal one could be had realitivily cheap...search the classifieds on pafoa.org

[Burnt2Death]

Thank you for all the replies. I will look at some of the other brands and see what would be in my price range if I raised it a little. Is there any decent shops around that have friendly staff that would help me with some questions in person? I am in no real rush to buy as I want to make sure I get something that is worth it and I do my homework. So far thank you guys for your insight.

And I have an ecotech... Lol

[SvicksTc]

Thank you for all the replies. I will look at some of the other brands and see what would be in my price range if I raised it a little. Is there any decent shops around that have friendly staff that would help me with some questions in person? I am in no real rush to buy as I want to make sure I get something that is worth it and I do my homework. So far thank you guys for your insight.

And I have an ecotech... Lol

Where are you located there is classic pistol in southampton (can get busy, but quite knowledgable,nice indoor range)

There is target world in colmar (nice selection, staff kinda sucks,decent indoor range)

Bunch of smaller shops like tanners, quimbys etc

Hell even cabelas has a nice selection ( staff kinda dicks and gets busy)

Sell me your eotech :) help fund your pistol purcahse ( or did I just get fooled cuz you drive a cobalt with an eotech motor :( )

I wanted to go to the bloomsburg gun show tomorrow but looks like I have other obligations :(

[DC2.2GSR]

Nope, you definitely said ecotech. haha

Someone has an ecotech they want to sell me :)......


I may be alone on this, but I'd stay away from shop advice completely. I have yet to find a single gun shop where an employee has been more familiar with a gun, shooting concept, or legal issue than I already was. That's not to say that I'm some kind of guru or anything, in fact not even close. That's purely an example of how little the majority of gun shop employees actually understand about guns, shooting techniques, or the law surrounding guns... which is absurd.

No matter where you go there are almost always assholes behind the counter who are more concerned with thinking that they're right no matter what instead of taking the time to research a concept or do the proper research on the products that they sell. They'd rather pass along outdated information and perpetuate myths rather than actually get involved with the current gun culture and learn the truth and spread that instead. Every single time I've ever gone to a shop or range I've had to cringe at the misinformation being spread.

Classic Pistol has the best employees by far. They usually try hard to get you some good info and pass on what knowledge they can. I've heard some cringe-worthy things from them, but not as bad as other places. Targetmaster near Delaware is a pretty cool shop and a nice range. I like the place a lot actually. The employees are a little rough to deal with, but again not as bad as others. DEFINITELY stay far far FAR away from French Creek Outfitters. They are all arrogant douchebags who could not care any less about you as a customer. I know you might be tempted to go, seeing how you're right near me in the Pottstown area and FCO is close-ish, but really.. don't go there. lol. I have nothing but bad things to say about FCO. There are other shops around too, some of which Steve mentioned. Most of them are good to browse and not really great to go to if you want solid info.


My advice? 1. Do the research on you own. Learn what there is to learn from the internet. There's a sh*tload of good solid info out there from very reliable sources. Learn to sift through the obvious bullsh*t and pick out the information that's solid. You'll quickly learn which sources are to be trusted and which you can laugh at and ignore. 2. Go poke around at a shop and hold some guns that you're interested in. Once you've done your research and narrowed down which style of gun you're interested in, the next step in making a choice is going to be getting some time with the gun in your hands. Feel is everything after quality reliability has been accounted for. 3. Shoot the guns you're interested in. There are quite a few shops around that have lots of rental guns. Some of them even apply the cost of the rentals toward the final purchase price of the gun. Getting 'trigger time' is by far the most important part. You can't expect to buy a gun off of the internet based on nothing but reviews and looks and expect it to be a perfect match for you. Handgun-wise I've shot everything from cheap-as-dirt hi-points to $3000+ Wilson 1911s and quite a bit in between and I can tell you for certain that some of the cheap guns felt much better and I was able to shoot much better with them. That's all that matters.

I can help you with any part of what I explained above and I would bet that anyone else here would as well. I'm always down for a range/gun show/shop meet up. Again I'm certainly no guru on all things gun related, but I believe that I have a good handle on most concepts and I enjoy helping people get started the right way instead of struggling due to some sort of screwed up information they got from whoknowswhere. lol

[215DC5]

Can I "legally" take a potato cannon to a gun range?

[DC2.2GSR]

Can I "legally" take a potato cannon to a gun range?

Sure, if the range will allow it. The problem is that I don't know of a single one that would. Even if it's legal to build, own, and shoot (which it is), it's a nonsense activity that no range would ever want to be a part of. Potato guns usually involve screwing around and making a mess, neither of which are welcome at any range.

[Burnt2Death]

I appreciate all of the info and the tips.

I did go to look around FCO the other day. No one really offered to help me or really gave me the time of day to look at anything. I wouldn't recommend them based off of just that.

I am continuing to read reviews and look around for some solid info on different models. I have found a few I like.

I was thinking about going to a gun show at least just to look around if not purchase anything. What is the process for purchasing at a gun show compared to a retailer in a store?