The official TST I like guns thread.

[AutobahnRacer]

That is very interesting, I did not know that. Chances are cops will give you **** though right? How would you do this though in the winter when wearing a coat? The coat would cover it and it would be concealed at that point.

[AutobahnRacer]

You guys hear btw on Preston and Steve, A truck dealership in another state boosted its truck sales by giving a free AK47 with each purchase?

[1988 Olds]

That is very interesting, I did not know that. Chances are cops will give you **** though right? How would you do this though in the winter when wearing a coat? The coat would cover it and it would be concealed at that point.

You wouldn't be able to open carry and have a coat on. Thats why 99% of us just get out LTCF just so we don't have to deal with any stuff like that.

[1988 Olds]

I'm currently in the market for a scope to put on my Mosin Nagant. I'm looking to spend in the $150-$250 range. I'll be shooting 95% at 100 yards or less with a few shoots out to 200 yards. I'm not really sure what zoom scope I want as all I currently own rifle wise is a .22 with a 3-9x scope from the factory on it. Can anyone reccomend some scopes to look at and what zoom range they fell is necessary for the range I will be shooting. This gun will probably never be used for hunting. Just want a scope that will hold up and let me see the holes in a target at 100 yards. If anyone can speak from experience with a certian scope that would be awesome. Currently I've been looking at a few scopes from Mueller and Vortex.

[rodder]

That is very interesting, I did not know that. Chances are cops will give you **** though right?

Cops will and often do give people **** for OCing... problem is anything more than a mere "encounter" with the police and your rights have been violated. If you are merely OCing and you are detained by the police, have your weapon confiscated, LTCF demanded, etc., various courts have already ruled it's a violation of your 4th and 5th amendment rights and is grounds for a civil suit against the arresting officers. Police need to have something called "RAS" (reasonable, articulable suspicion) that a crime is or is about to be committed in order to detain/investigate/demand ID from someone.

If you are harassed or detained by police for OCing, you have won what is referred to in tighter circles as "the OC lottery".

Most recent example:
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-washington-dc/alamogordo-police-pay-21-000-to-settle-open-carry-lawsuit

On September 8, 2009, Federal District Judge Bruce D. Black, issued an order previously examined here, that concluded as a matter of law that Alamogordo police officiers violated Matthew St. John's constitutional rights under the Fourth Amendment because they seized and disarmed him even though there was not "any reason to believe that a crime was afoot." Judge Black's opinion is consistent with numerous high state and federal appellate court rulings, including the United States Supreme Court, holding that there is no firearms exception to the Fourth Amendment.

[rodder]

How would you do this though in the winter when wearing a coat? The coat would cover it and it would be concealed at that point.

drop-leg holster. :mrgreen:

http://www.tacticalandhuntinggear.net/prod_images_large/tactical_drop_leg_holster22.jpg

[rodder]

You guys hear btw on Preston and Steve, A truck dealership in another state boosted its truck sales by giving a free AK47 with each purchase?

they did this last year as well and the anti-gun media raised holy hell about it. Of course no one who got one of the rifles has gone on any shooting sprees as of yet. :roll:

BTW, it's not an AK47. A real AK47 is a fully-automatic assault rifle. The rifles this dealer is giving away (and the so-called "AK47"s owned by thousands of law abiding US citizens) are in fact semi-automatic variants using the same basic platform as the AK. I'd bet my bottom dollar the rifles this guy is giving away are the cheaply produced and widely distributed Romanian semi-auto AK clones referred to as WASR-10s.

[AutobahnRacer]

That is true, habbit since I normally only talk about real ones with my friends, especially since full auto is a big hassle to get a license for in the US

[DC2.2GSR]

That is true, habbit since I normally only talk about real ones with my friends, especially since full auto is a big hassle to get a license for in the US

It's actually very easy, just very expensive to purchase a transferable auto or a transferable auto sear that you can install in a regular semi-auto gun. You only need a signature from your local CLEO (i.e. - police chief) and $200 for the tax stamp and a few months wait for the BATFE to process your paperwork. There's no license required for Full auto, suppressors, short barreled rifles/shotguns, 'AOW's (Any Other Weapon), etc.

Read this: http://forum.pafoa.org/nfa-class-3-title-ii-34/5951-quick-faqs-related-machine-guns-suppressors.html

[~Brian~]

drop-leg holster. :mrgreen:

http://www.tacticalandhuntinggear.net/prod_images_large/tactical_drop_leg_holster22.jpg


I'd love to get one of those for my XDM..

Edit... found one...

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemDetail.aspx?sku=TAC-125

[05OCsrt-4]

for everyone that carrys concealed, when you go out with buddys to a bar/club, do you carry it with you?

[~Brian~]

for everyone that carrys concealed, when you go out with buddys to a bar/club, do you carry it with you?

I have.

But then I realized just how dumb it was, so it won't be happening again.

[Munky]

I have in the past. But I haven't drank in about 2 years so can't say that I have recently.

[DC2.2GSR]

for everyone that carrys concealed, when you go out with buddys to a bar/club, do you carry it with you?

Always. I carry everywhere I'm legally allowed to. As for drinking while carrying (which is entirely different than just taking it along to the bar), I treat it like driving a car. If my BAC would prohibit me from legally driving a car, then I'm too drunk to carry. I'll have a couple beers while carrying, but I have strict personal limits that I've set for myself. I almost always end up driving anyway so it's never an issue. Sometimes I'll decide to actually drink while I'm out and I'll just take the gun off and store it in a safe place. A few times I've ended up handing off the gun to a sober friend (with LTCF obviously) who carried it for me the rest of the night so the gun was there, but not under my control. Other times I go out with the intention of drinking a lot and I'll just leave the gun altogether. That's rare though, and it pretty much only happens when tailgating at a Phils or Eagles game. Those get pretty rowdy haha

[Munky]

Just screwing around with the camera taking pics of my EDCG.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1016/5186012439_1e5d804295_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistamunky/5186012439/)
IMG_0200 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistamunky/5186012439/) by Mista Munky (http://www.flickr.com/people/mistamunky/), on Flickr

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4091/5186613200_404353bfa8_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistamunky/5186613200/)
IMG_0201 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistamunky/5186613200/) by Mista Munky (http://www.flickr.com/people/mistamunky/), on Flickr

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1280/5186619082_116b182b24_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistamunky/5186619082/)
IMG_0208 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistamunky/5186619082/) by Mista Munky (http://www.flickr.com/people/mistamunky/), on Flickr


Kimber UCII w/ Mepro-Light Night Sites
2 mags w/ Winchester .45 Auto 230gr. JHP
Trident Layers
Kershaw Leek
PNY 16gb thumb drive
C5 Montana XLT leather IWB holster
Samsung Captivate
Keys
Money clip/Card holder

[cmr076]

i love my kershaw Leek! i got two one serrated and one not, its the perfect knife

[rodder]

for everyone that carrys concealed, when you go out with buddys to a bar/club, do you carry it with you?

Yes. But I don't get ****-faced drunk anymore (well maybe occasionally, but that's usually in the safety of my own home :wink:). If I was planning on getting ****-faced I probably wouldn't carry, but personally I see absolutely no problem with having a few drinks while carrying.

[AutobahnRacer]

I wanted everyones quick input for a gun that will be primarily carried, blued or stainless? If blued is just a matter of extra maintenance, what is involved?

[rodder]

depends on the blueing. The tennifer finish on glocks and the melonite on the XDs is very durable. The M&Ps have stainless slides that are finished in a black-oxide coating, which is weird because I've noticed small surface rust on the M&P after carrying IWB in the summer (sweat is not friendly to steel) and leaving it in the holster for days at a time but never on my XD.

If you carry a blued gun you should wipe it down with an oiled rag every once in a while. The more often you carry it the more often you should wipe it down.

[AutobahnRacer]

Is that all there is to it? Would you say blued is a good choice? I dont mind wiping it down with oil every once in a while if thats it. Basically what would be your recommendation.

I have chose the Ruger P95 btw and which I am specifically referring to.

Sorry for the questions but I am new to this.

[Munky]

i love my kershaw Leek! i got two one serrated and one not, its the perfect knife

I've been trying to find a serrated one to replace this one but no1 locally has them. I'll probably just look around online for one.

[DC2.2GSR]

I've been trying to find a serrated one to replace this one but no1 locally has them. I'll probably just look around online for one.
My brother gets dealer prices on Kershaw and just about any brand of anything, but they limit his quantities that he can buy each year. If he's still under his number on Kershaw then I'll be able to get it cheap. On their site they show a ton of different models of the Leek with different blade steel and colors. Let me know exactly which model you're looking for and I'll find you a price.

[Munky]

My brother gets dealer prices on Kershaw and just about any brand of anything, but they limit his quantities that he can buy each year. If he's still under his number on Kershaw then I'll be able to get it cheap. On their site they show a ton of different models of the Leek with different blade steel and colors. Let me know exactly which model you're looking for and I'll find you a price.

Thank you for the offer. These were the two I was looking at.

http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=374&brand=kershaw

http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=62&brand=kershaw

[DC2.2GSR]

dont be ridiculous, ill bring at LEAST 150 rounds of 308 and if you interested in the dragunov 1000-2000 rounds (crates were cheap at VFGC haha) I dont need any money. believe it or not i DID like shooting your carry gun last time, it was the first M&P i'd ever shot and I liked it a lot.

Ill bring a deck of cards for the pistol range and we can try some of the new games ive been working on (assuming they are as cool as CPI), its lots of fun! If theres anywhere out near you with some distance id be willing to make the trip out that way, i dont really like the idea of having to "qualify" to shoot at a range (wicens) but i also hate the SGLs 3 round limit... catch 22 i suppose.

Let me know what you'd be up for and ill be there... id really like to find somewhere with 200-600 yards, wicens is only 100.

haha alright. Well I really appreciate it. and yes, I'm very interested in the dragunov! I've been trying to find a decent range around here but all I can find that's more than 100 yards is that one where they had the zombie shoot and that's even an hour for me in the other direction.. probably 2+ for you. I know there's one like 15 minutes from my house that's 300 yards but I can't find it. I've asked everyone and searched a ton online but I can't find any mention of it anywhere. I drove past it once and I can't remember where it was. I'll see what I can find but if there's nothing then that wicens one is cool with me as long as you guys are up for it.

I'm all about some games though. It gets boring just shooting at bullseyes. lol. Any chance you'll be bringing the P238? I've never even held one. I might end up scrapping the crappy LCP thing and just go with something good like the P238 if it feels right.

[Munky]

Are you talking about the Oley gun club? Cause that would be real close to you and they have pistol, shotgun, trap, and rifle ranges. I know the one rifle range is at least 200yds and might be even further never really asked cause I usually only shoot pistol or 100yds at most with my AR. There's also the Daniel Boone rod and gun. I think they changed the name tho. That's more out in Exeter.

[~Brian~]

dont be ridiculous, ill bring at LEAST 150 rounds of 308 and if you interested in the dragunov 1000-2000 rounds (crates were cheap at VFGC haha) I dont need any money. believe it or not i DID like shooting your carry gun last time, it was the first M&P i'd ever shot and I liked it a lot.

Ill bring a deck of cards for the pistol range and we can try some of the new games ive been working on (assuming they are as cool as CPI), its lots of fun! If theres anywhere out near you with some distance id be willing to make the trip out that way, i dont really like the idea of having to "qualify" to shoot at a range (wicens) but i also hate the SGLs 3 round limit... catch 22 i suppose.

Let me know what you'd be up for and ill be there... id really like to find somewhere with 200-600 yards, wicens is only 100.

I have the same issues as DC2 right now... can this offer be extended to me as well, whenever I end up getting down there?

I only have a Springfield XDM .40, but you can shoot it as much want! lol

[Munky]

Hitting up my local indoor tomorrow to take my new (to me) UCII for our maiden voyage together. Can't wait!!! I wish I didn't have a class in the morning so I could go earlier.

[cmr076]

I have the same issues as DC2 right now... can this offer be extended to me as well, whenever I end up getting down there?

I only have a Springfield XDM .40, but you can shoot it as much want! lol

of course, pm me whenever you wanna shoot I have a ton of toys for you to play with!

[~Brian~]

of course, pm me whenever you wanna shoot I have a ton of toys for you to play with!

Sounds good man, will do!

[cmr076]

Any chance you'll be bringing the P238? I've never even held one. I might end up scrapping the crappy LCP thing and just go with something good like the P238 if it feels right.

i can bring it for you to hold but i broke it during disassemble 4 hours after getting it :o (i didnt read the instructions and the safety got knocked on with the slide off the frame) i am waiting on parts from Sig which MAY arrive saturday in which case you could potentially shoot it assuming i dont do anything to break her again. :wiggle:

[Munky]

First time out on the range and I couldn't be happier. Shot at roughly 10yds. The paper target was the first 2 magazines to get a feel for her again and get used test where the sites were and then the 2 plates were the last two magazines.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1303/5190850396_eb2869f7fe_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistamunky/5190850396/)
Kimber 11-19-2010 (2) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistamunky/5190850396/) by Mista Munky (http://www.flickr.com/people/mistamunky/), on Flickr

[DC2.2GSR]

i can bring it for you to hold but i broke it during disassemble 4 hours after getting it :o (i didnt read the instructions and the safety got knocked on with the slide off the frame) i am waiting on parts from Sig which MAY arrive saturday in which case you could potentially shoot it assuming i dont do anything to break her again. :wiggle:


haha that sucks man. Whatever though, it's not a big deal. I just saw your Sig porn post over on PAFOA and remembered you said you got one.

I may bring a friend tomorrow.. same deal as me. He doesn't even own a gun yet but he's very much into the idea of seeing some badass toys. lol. Let me know if you want me to bring any supplemental ammo, I may be able to pick up a box or two of whatever caliber if you want me to.

What time are you going to be out there? I'd like to try to meet you as soon as you get there so we can do the whole range qualification crap at the same time. I don't even know what it involves, but I imagine it will be annoying. lol

[DC2.2GSR]

Dave.. just saw this review (and others like it) over on PAFOA...

I checked out Wicen's recently when some friends came to visit. Because I'm not a member of any range/club at the moment, we were looking for a public range set up for handgun, rifle, and shotgun. Other than Wicen's, I don't recall finding any in SEPA.

Here's what I liked about Wicen's:

1. You can show up and shoot.
2. They're set up for handgun, rifle, and shotgun.
3. They run a tight ship with regards to safety. In my eyes, there were a ton of range officers there, and boy, were they watchin' close.
4. As far as I could tell, the people running the place are not lib gun owners (if you have to ask what I mean, then you yourself may be a lib gun owner).


Here's what I really, really hated about it:

1. The rifle range is split up into permanent lanes which are delimited with little huts equipped with benches. The roof of each hut is sloped downwards in the down-range direction. The significance? You must sit down in order to shoot rifle. This isn't only a result of the small hut, but a Wicen's rule (according to the range officer overlooking my group).
2. Also annoying and along the same lines as the previous item: the handgun lanes have huts with benches, too. These huts, however, are tall enough that you can stand up in them (if you're not a giant); also, you're not required to sit while shooting handguns.
3. They run a tight ship with regards to safety. There is a PAFOA thread (it may be this one) in which someone says that they had range officers all over them during their first visit to Wicen's. While I didn't observe this very much while it happened, I know it did. At one point I was removing some pistols from my range bag while facing downrange when I heard, "Very nice gun-handling! Thank you!" A compliment, no doubt, but I found it to be very strange. One plus, in my opinion, is that actions must be opened and all shooters must step away from the firing line during ceasefires. Other "safety" rules: three seconds between every round fired (yes, you must count), the aforementioned rifle huts, and the first-timer qualification for each of handgun, rifle, and shotgun.
4. This one actually made me laugh. One of my friends received a shotgun from me on the day we went to Wicen's (wedding gift). I gave him Hornady TAP 00 buckshot and some Remington #4 buckshot and told him to send a few rounds downrange. He attempted to do this while my other friend and I were on the handgun range, but he soon rejoined us: the shotgun range officer told him that both the 00 and #4 shot were "way too large" for their shotgun range. His response to the shotgun as a wedding present was, "That's a paranoid wedding present." (OK, they have at least one lib range officer.) Also, the shotgun range is apparently only for clay pigeons or some such fake animal.
5. While on the handgun range, the man in the lane to our left was seriously mishandling his pistol (we determined that he was somewhat mentally disabled). It must have been a broom, because he was sweeping our direction quite a bit. Now, if you recall, I said that the Wicen's range officers run a tight ship with safety. Not so in this guy's case. I am almost certain that he knew someone who worked for the range, based on the way they treated him with the muzzle sweeps and after he declined to retrieve his target stand during a ceasefire.
6. The mandatory range qualifications. I see where they were coming from, but this didn't prevent me from feeling like I was in first grade.
7. The cost--it adds up quickly (from what I understand, it's alleviated slightly during subsequent visits since you don't have to re-qualify).


I realize that it's their place and they can do what they want with it. While I would recommend Wicen's if you're in a bind, I don't think I'll go back. That may not make much sense, so I'll try and clarify: I needed to shoot and Wicen's fulfilled this need, but I wasn't satisfied with the entire experience.

:roll: might as well just go to a SGL range... we'll have more freedom. I really wish I could find something around here. I was looking while at work today and asked a few people again and every range that I found requires membership that costs a ton and/or that you have to apply for and wait.. or wait for a particular day to sign up like once a week/month or wait for a range tour or attend a meeting... ugh.. what a pain in the ass.

[rodder]

let's set up a date to go up to my buddy's farm!

The only rules that apply there are "The Four Rules". :mrgreen:

[DC2.2GSR]

let's set up a date to go up to my buddy's farm!

The only rules that apply there are "The Four Rules". :mrgreen:

:thumbup: You pick one and I'm there.. seriously, any time. "The Four Rules" are the only ones that should be posted at any range.

[cmr076]

Hmm, now i dont know what to do! it looks like it will be roughly 30 bucks for each of us at wicens, my issue with SGL besides the fact that it is going to be completely overrun with hunters right now is the 3 round limit..

Give me a call in the morning and we can figure it out.

[cmr076]

so after picking up my guns from my parents house i was on my way to pick up my buddy to head to the range:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2i1iogy.jpg


Long story short, i didnt make it to the range.

[dragonfly2k3]

If anyone wants to go to philadelphia archery and gun this week let me know, I'd like to get back out

[PhillySVT]

One of my SBR lowers... POF 416 PDW 7" .223
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9690/img0847g.jpg
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1315/img0846zh.jpg

[1988 Olds]

That thing is sweet

[PhillySVT]

Thanks! In the pics the mis-match between the upper and lower looks to be a lot more than it really is. It seems like POF changed their black to a more matte military finish. I didn't realize it till I looked at these pic's. I just compared the new upper to my other pof's and it's the only one that looks like this. I heard a lot of these are going to overseas goverment contracts.

[11secdsm]

so after picking up my guns from my parents house i was on my way to pick up my buddy to head to the range:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2i1iogy.jpg


Long story short, i didnt make it to the range.

Result of a ton of one wheel burnouts. :-p

[PhillySVT]

Thought I would share a little more gun porn....a couple more SBR's and an AOW:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/97/img08620.jpg

[rodder]

Thought I would share a little more gun porn....a couple more SBR's and an AOW:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/97/img08620.jpg

THAT is a nice little collection you have there. :thumbup: I like the halloween look lol.

Is there a stock for that AK variant and what is the thing in the upper right, a UMP?

BTW, I think it's funny that your stang makes almost as much at the wheels as both of my cars combined. :cool::lol:

[PhillySVT]

THAT is a nice little collection you have there. :thumbup: I like the halloween look lol.

Is there a stock for that AK variant and what is the thing in the upper right, a UMP?

BTW, I think it's funny that your stang makes almost as much at the wheels as both of my cars combined. :cool::lol:

The AK is a 107UR Arsenal SBR'ed (it's my little brothers). The one on the right is and SBR'd UCS/UMP conversion. Both conversions were done HDPS @ www.hdps.org/. He sells these guns already converted but we bought them and had them converted. We actually bought a post dealer sample HK UMP from Targetmasters and had them demill it (cut the reciever in half and sent it back to the ATF). We then sold some of the parts and sent the rest in with a new USC and had HDPS do the conversion. He does great work!
My stang actually made those numbers on pump gas on a mustang dyno. It would have been over 700 on a dynameter. It hauled ass!

[~Brian~]

So I decided that I want to buy a .44 magnum..

Does anybody have one that they would consider parting with?

[cmr076]

Thought I would share a little more gun porn....a couple more SBR's and an AOW:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/97/img08620.jpg

is that a Serbu? Haha i always wanted one of them.

So I decided that I want to buy a .44 magnum..

Does anybody have one that they would consider parting with?

not personally, but ruger makes some nice ones.. any reason you want a 44?

[~Brian~]

not personally, but ruger makes some nice ones.. any reason you want a 44?

No real reason, I've always wanted one cause it's a nice, powerful gun.

[PhillySVT]

is that a Serbu? Haha i always wanted one of them.


Yup...it's also my little bro's! I always wanted one too. He happen to get one first, so now I have no reason to buy one. Here is a vid of him shooting it last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI3Bg3rbdgY
It will singe the hair off your knuckles!

[PhillySVT]

No real reason, I've always wanted one cause it's a nice, powerful gun.

My dad has a S&W 629 DX that I drool over! I've often offered him trades for it but he wont part with it!

[DPancoast]

I just want to say that this thread is FREAKIN AWESOME lol...

so much good reading.

[AutobahnRacer]

I never bought a holster, but will in the future after my move and everything is all set, how much do they run on average?

[Munky]

Anywhere from $15 to $200+. All depends on what you're looking for. One of the main things you must get is a GOOD gun belt tho. It will make the world of difference no matter which holster you decide one. Also you must make sure the holster and gun belt coincide with one another. Meaning if the holster has belt loops for a 1 1/2" belt make sure you're using that size belt.

[DC2.2GSR]

I never bought a holster, but will in the future after my move and everything is all set, how much do they run on average?

It's the same as anything else. You can get a cheap one that technically works just fine or you can get a high quality one that makes a world of difference in functionality and comfort for a mid-range price, or you can go all out and get some high end fancy thing that serves the same purpose except it does it 'prettier'.

Personally I haven't found anything decent for under $50. I've tried numerous holsters but they pretty much all suck and suck worse the cheaper you get. I currently use a DeSantis leather IWB holster that was $60. It's all leather and is comparable in design to a lot of other brands that can cost up to $150 or so. It's nice, but the more I carry with it I keep finding things I don't like about it. However, my 'carrying experience' is far more enjoyable using my current holster than all the others I've tried. The gun is held more securely in place inside the holster (retention) and the holster stays in place better inside my waistband.

The Crossbreed Supertuck starts at $70 and the Comp-Tac MTAC starts at $80. Those two are both kydex/leather hybrid holsters that are nearly identical in design and are considered by a lot of people to be two of the best IWB holsters on the market. Supposedly the gun disappears and is very comfortable and barely noticeable while carrying it. Also, the kydex holds its shape while the gun is out of the holster and you're able to re-holster much easier and with only one hand. That's one gripe I have with my current DeSantis.. it takes two hands to reholster because the leather smooshes together a bit while the gun is out. After buying a few things I've been meaning to get I'll put in an order for an MTAC for myself.

Basically, don't be tempted to cheap out. A lot of people (like me) go with a cheap holster at first and go through a handful of them until they finally get the picture and end up going with something decent. Read lots of reviews and if possible, try many different designs on. Having the right holster seriously changes the way you carry and the more comfortable it is, the more you'll carry it, and that's a huge plus.

[AutobahnRacer]

Thanks for all the help, as for specific there aren't many for my gun that are specifically designed for it, but I will have to see what works best i guess.

Btw the both of you, do you Conceal or Open Carry?

[DC2.2GSR]

Thanks for all the help, as for specific there aren't many for my gun that are specifically designed for it, but I will have to see what works best i guess.

Btw the both of you, do you Conceal or Open Carry?

What do you have? Holster companies all make their models for just about every gun out there.

I almost always carry concealed.. the same goes for everyone (I think) in this thread.

[AutobahnRacer]

Its a Ruger P95 (w/rail - but it doesnt make much differnce to gun size), I checked many major brands but either they don't have what i think will work or they dont have one.

[Munky]

Thanks for all the help, as for specific there aren't many for my gun that are specifically designed for it, but I will have to see what works best i guess.

Btw the both of you, do you Conceal or Open Carry?

I open carry for the most part with my Glock unless I'm going out and want to be a little more discreet. My Kimber UCII I conceal but that's only because I don't have any OWB holsters for it yet.


Sign up on PAFOA.org It's a great site for PA residents with a wealth of information on every question you'll ever have. Just take some time and read through the forums and you will get a good idea of what path to take.

[cmr076]

What do you have? Holster companies all make their models for just about every gun out there.

I almost always carry concealed.. the same goes for everyone (I think) in this thread.

X2 on carrying concealed, no need to get into this debate but its my preference (as well as 97% of americas preference)

I have a LOT of holsters, desantis cozy partner for my 1911 desantis nemisis for my pocket piece, desantic apache for another pocket piece, a milt sparks for my 1911 OWB during winter, and a chip for the only revolver i MIGHT carry (my custom 3 1/2" S&W 65 pre lock. never carried it but the gun is absolutely gorgeous and i really should)

[cmr076]

What do you have? Holster companies all make their models for just about every gun out there.

I almost always carry concealed.. the same goes for everyone (I think) in this thread.

not sure if your working tomorrow, but i got the P238 fixed and am going shooting tomorrow if you wanna join.. i should be picking up the S&W i was having all the work done to so it should be a good range trip.

[DC2.2GSR]

not sure if your working tomorrow, but i got the P238 fixed and am going shooting tomorrow if you wanna join.. i should be picking up the S&W i was having all the work done to so it should be a good range trip.

Yeah I'm working tomorrow. I should be in bed now. lol. I'd love to go but it's the same as all weekdays.. I wouldn't get there until about 6:30. If you happen to be going a little later then yeah I'm in but you'll probably be done by then.

[cmr076]

Yeah I'm working tomorrow. I should be in bed now. lol. I'd love to go but it's the same as all weekdays.. I wouldn't get there until about 6:30. If you happen to be going a little later then yeah I'm in but you'll probably be done by then.

yea i have off tomorrow so i was hoping to go earlier than later... this weekend maybe...

[cmr076]

from PAFOA, thought you guys would appreciate her!

]after having a ton of work done I finally got the gun back, big thanks to john robinson... the only smith i will ever use.

The gun is a S&W 65 K Frame, She started life as a police issued 4" stainless gun. The barrel was cut down to 3.25" and given a beautiful crowning, the butt was rounded the chambers champfered and the entire gun was teflon coated a nice matte black. The action was done and the trigger was lightened to roughly 7.5 pounds. The coolest part is the dovetailed in 1911 trijicon front site.

Let me know what you guys think!

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/SW.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/crowning.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/champfered.jpg

dovetailed night site

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/site.jpg

with her family members, keep in mind i am jsut getting into wheel guns so my collection is pretty weak right now...

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/revolver.jpg

two smithies and a public defender

[AutobahnRacer]

Nice collection, I take it you are obviously a revolver guy, and not so much pistols?

[Munky]

Nice collection, I take it you are obviously a revolver guy.

with her family members, keep in mind i am jsut getting into wheel guns so my collection is pretty weak right now...

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/revolver.jpg

two smithies and a public defender

:bigeek:

[cmr076]

Nice collection, I take it you are obviously a revolver guy, and not so much pistols?

:bigeek:

haha like i said, i am just getting into wheel guns... off the top of my head pistols are:

(2) glock 19s
a glock 26
a glock 36
a beretta 92fs
a FN five seven
a Springfield TRP 1911
a taurus 1911
a gsg5
draco pistol
sig P238
a wilson 1911
PLR (technically a pistol)
ruger MK3
LCP
walther PK380
mac 10
uzi
P226

its late, cant think of the rest... there spread out between my house, my parents and my NFA trust partners safes :mrgreen:

[AutobahnRacer]

Didn't know if that meant for now, or you always had been.


Has anyone gotten their License to Carry in Bucks County? Apparently you get it in 20 minutes, but I wanted to know if they are the old cheap paper cards or laminated or what. I paid 25 in Chester County got my license in 7 days total, and it was hard plastic card, thicker actually than my credit card haha.

[cmr076]

Didn't know if that meant for now, or you always had been.


Has anyone gotten their License to Carry in Bucks County? Apparently you get it in 20 minutes, but I wanted to know if they are the old cheap paper cards or laminated or what. I paid 25 in Chester County got my license in 7 days total, and it was hard plastic card, thicker actually than my credit card haha.

i got mine in montco in under 48 hours, the longest part was the drive to pick up the police check card and find time off work to go to the courthouse.

The REPR is for sale if anyone is interested, its posted on PAFOA and sigforum and im debating gunbroker

[rodder]

wtf? Why selling REPR so soooooooooon?

[blkZ06]

maybe he's finally seeing the error of his ways and joining the C3 club

[rodder]

No real reason, I've always wanted one cause it's a nice, powerful gun.

There was a .480 Ruger for $550 at AF Boyers when I went in there a couple weeks ago. I've shot one. Awesometown.

Or you could always spring for a .500 S&W or a .460. :mrgreen:

After shooting one of those huge-bore revolvers, shooting .357mag and .44 just isn't the same. lol

Me wantssssss.....

[Soon2bG60]

I bought ( dad bought with my money because im underage ) a century arms RPK. Love it. Get pictures up tomorrow

[cmr076]

maybe he's finally seeing the error of his ways and joining the C3 club

ding ding ding.

Well that and im picking up a uber rare piece of Sig history i found in Nevada... its being shipped wednesday.

[Munky]

New grips cause everyone has a little rice in them whether they admit it or not.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5220914989_84fdeed809_b.jpg

[PhillySVT]

ding ding ding.

Well that and im picking up a uber rare piece of Sig history i found in Nevada... its being shipped wednesday.

Lol...join us......Me this weekend:
http://www.youtube.com/user/twm3006#p/a/u/2/n5Bg8fkC89U
http://www.youtube.com/user/twm3006#p/a/u/1/PAoTKATks5U

PS That S&W is sick! I am an S&W wheel gun fan!

[PhillySVT]

New grips cause everyone has a little rice in them whether they admit it or not.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5220914989_84fdeed809_b.jpg

LOL....I have four AR15 lowers I got from Spikes with the punisher symbols for myself/brothers/dad.

[cmr076]

Lol...join us......Me this weekend:
http://www.youtube.com/user/twm3006#p/a/u/2/n5Bg8fkC89U
http://www.youtube.com/user/twm3006#p/a/u/1/PAoTKATks5U

PS That S&W is sick! I a S&W wheel gun fan!

thanks, the S&W was a gun i basically took to my smith and said "do this this and this, make is amazing and well talk about cost later" it was the first gun i really "splurged" on and i am so glad i did!

p.s. that m16 is badass, the uzi's not so bad either :mrgreen:

[PhillySVT]

thanks, the S&W was a gun i basically took to my smith and said "do this this and this, make is amazing and well talk about cost later" it was the first gun i really "splurged" on and i am so glad i did!

p.s. that m16 is badass, the uzi's not so bad either :mrgreen:

The mini is going up for sale. I LOVE it but I want another HK sear or RDIAS.
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6983/img0866o.jpg

[Soon2bG60]

What you askin for the mini

[cmr076]

What you askin for the mini

im gonna guess..... 8

[rodder]

im gonna guess..... 8

Dollars?

Sold. :mrgreen:

[Munky]

Any of you have experience with the MSAR STG 556? Thoughts? Someone wants to trade me one with extras for the Pathfinder I'm trying to sell. Never really saw one in person so just wondering what they're all about? Did a search in this thread and came up with nothing.

[PhillySVT]

What you askin for the mini

I listed it for trade last week and had a ton of interest with a lot of people asking how much to buy it outright. I just relisted it with a price of $8400 for the package as you see it in the pic. Only on one web sight so far and I recieved 6 e-mails in less than 12 hours. I'm responding to them now. I was trying to trade the uzi + cash on my end for a RDIAS or an HK sear or straight up for 3 FNC sears.

[blkZ06]

I listed it for trade last week and had a ton of interest with a lot of people asking how much to buy it outright. I just relisted it with a price of $8400 for the package as you see it in the pic. Only on one web sight so far and I recieved 6 e-mails in less than 12 hours. I'm responding to them now. I was trying to trade the uzi + cash on my end for a RDIAS or an HK sear or straight up for 3 FNC sears.

Im in the same mind set for FNC stuff, they are cheap enough I can acquire a set without extending myself to far and have funds tied up. I just filed out paperwork for 2 more which will bring to total to 6, if things pan out with the SCAR conversion im taking an extended vacation in Fiji haha

Tell your pops no paperwork from the ATF yet

[PhillySVT]

Im in the same mind set for FNC stuff, they are cheap enough I can acquire a set without extending myself to far and have funds tied up. I just filed out paperwork for 2 more which will bring to total to 6, if things pan out with the SCAR conversion im taking an extended vacation in Fiji haha

Tell your pops no paperwork from the ATF yet
I just traded the mini for 3 sears. I now have 5 incoming. Total investment of about 12k on my part. I'm not going to lose money.....but if it pans out I think I will make a nice chunk of change to get something else. I will of course keep one for myself.

[cmr076]

Any of you have experience with the MSAR STG 556? Thoughts? Someone wants to trade me one with extras for the Pathfinder I'm trying to sell. Never really saw one in person so just wondering what they're all about? Did a search in this thread and came up with nothing.

thats the knock off steyer aug right? I had someone willing to trade one for my FN five seven when i was going to sell it (if that gives you an idea of market value)

[Munky]

thats the knock off steyer aug right? I had someone willing to trade one for my FN five seven when i was going to sell it (if that gives you an idea of market value)

Yeah its the Steyer Aug clone. And no I have no idea of the market value. I'm just curious as to what you guys think of them? Anyone have any experience with them? They're made here in PA which I think is pretty damn cool. I've been digging around online and they go for roughly $900-1400 depending what bells and whistles you get.

[rodder]

Yeah its the Steyer Aug clone. And no I have no idea of the market value. I'm just curious as to what you guys think of them? Anyone have any experience with them? They're made here in PA which I think is pretty damn cool. I've been digging around online and they go for roughly $900-1400 depending what bells and whistles you get.

I actually think they're really cool. I've never shot one but I've fondled a few. Seems like with HP or frangible ammo it could make a great home defense gun because of how short it is with the bullpup design.

[Drftpretty]

Im juggling guns around to pick up a Saiga 12 this weekend!

20 round drums, TG, Gaurd, and side folder all ordered.

[PhillySVT]

Yeah its the Steyer Aug clone. And no I have no idea of the market value. I'm just curious as to what you guys think of them? Anyone have any experience with them? They're made here in PA which I think is pretty damn cool. I've been digging around online and they go for roughly $900-1400 depending what bells and whistles you get.

Honestly, I'v never heard a bad thing about them. I've handled a few of them a couple years ago and was impressed with the over all quality. I have always meant to pick one up if I ever come across a deal. I was a fan of the Aug as a kid.

[ein]

Any of you have experience with the MSAR STG 556? Thoughts? Someone wants to trade me one with extras for the Pathfinder I'm trying to sell. Never really saw one in person so just wondering what they're all about? Did a search in this thread and came up with nothing.

My buddy has one. I've probably shot 200 rounds through it. Very nice to shoot. Ratworx has the best pricing on them hands down. They just re-did the gun a little so the prices just went up a little from what they were 6 months ago. The only thing is the trigger isn't great but that's true with most bullpups, the way the gun points and handles more than makes up for the trigger.

[Munky]

Thanks for the input. Well hopefully by sometime next week it will be mine.

[cmr076]

My buddy has one. I've probably shot 200 rounds through it. Very nice to shoot. Ratworx has the best pricing on them hands down. They just re-did the gun a little so the prices just went up a little from what they were 6 months ago. The only thing is the trigger isn't great but that's true with most bullpups, the way the gun points and handles more than makes up for the trigger.

the P90 we have has a great trigger :mrgreen:

[blkZ06]

This is what all the fuss is about (for HKs anyway) for some of you guys not familiar with class 3 stuff

This is actually PhillySVTs just waiting for the paperwork to finish up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/3d2969b7.jpg

This little 1oz piece of metal goes for anywhere between $9000-$11,000 and can turn most HKs into full auto

And its funny to think it could get lost in the couch cushions

[~Brian~]

This is what all the fuss is about (for HKs anyway) for some of you guys not familiar with class 3 stuff

This is actually PhillySVTs just waiting for the paperwork to finish up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/b20vtecek/3d2969b7.jpg

This little 1oz piece of metal goes for anywhere between $9000-$11,000 and can turn most HKs into full auto

And its funny to think it could get lost in the couch cushions

Can't you just make one of those?

[DC2.2GSR]

Can't you just make one of those?

Yes, it could be made relatively easily. The problem is legality. The answer is in the "R" in RDIAS: Registered Drop-In Auto Sear. As far as the BATFE is concerned, that funny looking item he's holding in that pic is the machine gun. It's legal to be transferred between individuals and installed in another gun. Aside from the incomprehensible level of badassness, it's supply and demand that makes those things so expensive. The supply of auto sears stopped flowing to us lowly citizens in May of '86.

I have no experience with NFA items personally though so I'm sure one of these other guys will step in and either add to what I described or correct me where I'm wrong.

[cmr076]

Can't you just make one of those?

got a dremel and 15 minutes? then 10 years courtesy of the US of A

[Drftpretty]

http://home.centurytel.net/claudiaj/fire/PMR-30-b.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTizq4NCto

$300 OTD

60 rounds of .22 magnum in a 19oz carry package the same size as my 1911. :mrgreen:

[cmr076]

found my "grail gun" out in NV, just picked her up at CP tonight!

Sig P210-6! The gun is 99% only having been test fired at the factory! How a gun survives for 28 years without being fired amazes me... this one is going to go in the safe and only getting taken out to fondle

Box:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210box.jpg

Booklet:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210book.jpg

Target with date stamp (1982! test fired @ 50 yards):
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210date.jpg

everything that was included:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210everything.jpg

Finally the gun and sweet patch:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210gunpatch.jpg

Let me know what you guys think![/QUOTE]

[ITSTOCK]

found my "grail gun" out in NV, just picked her up at CP tonight!

Sig P210-6! The gun is 99% only having been test fired at the factory! How a gun survives for 28 years without being fired amazes me... this one is going to go in the safe and only getting taken out to fondle

Box:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210box.jpg

Booklet:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210book.jpg

Target with date stamp (1982! test fired @ 50 yards):
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210date.jpg

everything that was included:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210everything.jpg

Finally the gun and sweet patch:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210gunpatch.jpg

Let me know what you guys think![/QUOTE]

That's purty. :inlove:

[PhillySVT]

Nice!

found my "grail gun" out in nv, just picked her up at cp tonight!

Sig p210-6! The gun is 99% only having been test fired at the factory! How a gun survives for 28 years without being fired amazes me... This one is going to go in the safe and only getting taken out to fondle

box:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/p210box.jpg

booklet:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/p210book.jpg

target with date stamp (1982! Test fired @ 50 yards):
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/p210date.jpg

everything that was included:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/p210everything.jpg

finally the gun and sweet patch:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/p210gunpatch.jpg

let me know what you guys think![/quote]

[Munky]

So my Pathfinder is officially gone. Traded it for these today. :wiggle:

MSAR STG 556 w/ factory optic, (1) 10rnd mag, (1) 20rnd mag, (2) 30rnd mags, (3) 42rnd mags, & optional top rail. Made right here in Bradford, PA. :thumbup:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5208/5252750521_8c17818d27_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5001/5252750073_e1f7012932_b.jpg

Star M43 Firestar 9mm subcompact.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5004/5253360058_8f0764cacc_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5287/5252749043_9dfe088605_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5169/5253359132_6c380193b2_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5041/5253358798_80a8e744b0_b.jpg

[DC2.2GSR]

Anyone going to the VF Gun Show this weekend? I'm heading down after work today... looking for an M&P45 or 45c in dark earth, maybe a Sig, who knows.

[Munky]

Was planning on going but wound up taking my MSAR to the range.

Shot my MSAR today. Here's the target @ 50yds in 20*s with a wind chill of god only knows what shivering like a crack head. Not bad for it's maiden voyage.


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5202/5269656692_785567290b_b.jpg

Also stopped at a local store after lunch with my buddy and he wound up buying a Century Arms 308 Win so then we went back to the range and shot it and now I want one of those. UGH it never ends. :lol:

[ein]

Did you get it from RatWorx?

[Munky]

No I got it from a member on PAFOA.

[~Brian~]

Only two more day until I am reunited with my XDM...

In celebration of this joyous event, I went out today and bought 400 rounds to play around with :mrgreen:

[DC2.2GSR]

Only two more day until I am reunited with my XDM...

In celebration of this joyous event, I went out today and bought 400 rounds to play around with :mrgreen:

That's good to hear! I'm sure it sucks being away from it for so long.



I went to the VF Gun Show yesterday like I said and I bought a Sig P229 in .40S&W. I got a pretty good deal on it, nothing out of this world but it's a Sig certified pre-owned (red box/grip band) that just left the factory in November. It's in perfect shape.. I looked at 3 other P229s there, two of which were "new in box" and both had more visible wear than the one I ended up buying. I was talking to a few people about it and we came to the conclusion that this gun probably never even left the factory (maybe 'new, old stock?), or if it did then it just sat in someone's safe. The frame doesn't even have a single scratch on it and there's only a handful of light scratches inside the mag well. One year warranty from Sig, etc. so I think it was a pretty good find.

However, I shot it today and I hate it. Okay, well I don't hate but I'm not really happy with it at this point. The grip is almost painful to hold while shooting and the thing recoils like crazy. I'm a right handed shooter and right where my right thumb wraps around the grip, right under the slide release and decocker there's a huge hump that sticks out and does nothing but rip up my thumb while shooting. It's rough so that adds to the problem. I'm okay with the slightly larger grip overall, but that thumb area right there is a real problem. As for the recoil, it's manageable but it flips a hell of a lot more than my M&P and more than any Glock I've shot. It takes some real effort to keep the muzzle on target while shooting quickly. I get a more solid grip with the rough (almost stippled feeling) grip panels than I do with my M&P, but I think the main problem is that the center of bore is probably 3/4" higher. That also puts the sights much higher, which is strange by itself.

I know I'll get used to the sights and the different-feeling recoil/muzzle rise and the grips can easily be changed (just very expensive.. Hogue slim aluminum = $140 :bigeek:), but right now I'm kind of doubting my purchase. I spent just about the whole time at the range today pissed off that I bought it without even shooting a P229. I know it's kind of S.O.P. to try before you buy, but I've shot Sigs before and loved them so I figured the 229 would be the same. The P229 has been my 'dream gun' since I laid eyes/hands on one a few years back but right now it's not feeling very dream-like.

As a complete reversal from what I've written so far I really like the gun overall and I plan on carrying it. I just ordered a Comp-Tac MTAC holster for it a few minutes ago.. production time says 5 days + 3 days for shipping so I'm expecting that I'll get it sometime during the week of Jan. 3rd. All the holiday crap will probably push everything back but oh well. Even if I really don't like the gun I'll still have an awesome holster that I can buy different bodies for. Plus selling a P229 and a good holster won't be tough at all so I'm not worried.

As a side note, I went to Classic Pistol today since I was in the area anyway and was treated very well. I posted over on PAFOA about how sh***y it was shooting there the last few times and how obnoxious some counter guys have been, but this time was 100% different. Dave, you asked about which guys were the a-holes and I wasn't sure, but I looked today and the guy who has "Acci" on his shirt is the really cool one. Not sure if that's his name or what, but he has been cool with me every time including today.

[DC2.2GSR]

I saw this posted on another forum... can't stop laughing!! This is every n00b gun question followed by every possible answer! hahaha

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evr_tP9cJWY

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqgSSAh8Cqs&feature=related

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY9hRZDZcf8

[Munky]

Surprising to hear you don't like your P229. I have the same one and I absolutely love shooting it. Even more so than my Kimber or Glock. The only thing I don't like about it is the weight which is why I never carry it. Everyone that I have let shoot it also says it's very smooth and loves it as well. Hopefully you get used to it and don't wind up selling it. But if you do I'll considering buying that holster off of you. :thumbup:

[DC2.2GSR]

Surprising to hear you don't like your P229. I have the same one and I absolutely love shooting it. Even more so than my Kimber or Glock. The only thing I don't like about it is the weight which is why I never carry it. Everyone that I have let shoot it also says it's very smooth and loves it as well. Hopefully you get used to it and don't wind up selling it. But if you do I'll considering buying that holster off of you. :thumbup:

It's weird.. I have a lot of gripes with it in stock form as I posted above, but I really like it though overall. I probably won't end up selling it. I really don't mind the weight at all. It fits about 80% of the proper way into the holster for my M&P but the trigger isn't completely covered so I loaded a full mag with an empty chamber and wore it around the house for a while and the weight isn't really an issue. My belt just really sucks so it sags a bit and the holster isn't nearly as secure as I'd like even for my M&P so it flops a bit but it's not bad.

It's solid and is very accurate.. my first magazine was a full 13 shots in a three inch circle right where I as aiming, but that was shooting sort of slow. When I tried to shoot quicker I was a little sloppier. The first shot in DA followed quickly by a SA shot is real strange. I caused about 10 FTE because of it.. I must have limp wristed it or something because each FTE was after the second shot which is the lighter pull. I was trying to compensate somewhere. I got that figured out right away though and then it was fine.

I need a set of the Hogue slim aluminum grips like my friend's 220 Carry Elite Dark and I'll be set I think. That gun is a night-and-day difference from mine. I guess I just figured all Sigs are created (sort of) equally, but just came in different sizes. :o

[cmr076]

Dave, you asked about which guys were the a-holes and I wasn't sure, but I looked today and the guy who has "Acci" on his shirt is the really cool one. Not sure if that's his name or what, but he has been cool with me every time including today.

acci is a good guy... swears by 357sig though haha. not sure if you know anything about motorcycles but "acci" is short for "Ferracci" :wink: CP is his part time gig for fun!

anyways, im glad you had a good time and a better experience, now i just have to get over there i haven't shot in like 2 weeks

::edit:: welcome to the dark side, these sigs are seriously addicting, i have my next 2 picked out. as far as the FTE on your 229, the gun may need to be broken in based on the condition you said it was in.. I would shoot 250-350 rds. of ball ammo through it before you carry or feed HP's to her, I have also found that sig LOVE to be lubed well. I carry my 238 every day now and was having the same FTE issues until I broke her in properly and kept her really really well oiled.

(or you could just be limp wrist-ing it like a little girl)

[PhillySVT]

A little HK porn....Hk51 was just recieved this week. Thanks Jordan!
Hk51 w registered sear, HK UMP SBR clone, & a real HKUSP two-tone Match (Lara Croft gun)
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8828/img0917ea.jpg

My brother just recieved his tromix. He offered it to me while it was being transferred to our LLC becuase he was having second thoughts. It was an impulse buy (Great deal under dealer cost NIB) and he knew I wanted one. I wish I would have told him I'd take it.....this thing is F-ing sweet!!!! It has every option offered.

Here you go... 12 guage semi shotgun with a 10 round mag and a 20 round drum.
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9097/img0918u.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2631/img0919sv.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/1015/img0920vr.jpg
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8049/img0926q.jpg
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[cmr076]

^ NICE!

I have a G36 in .45 ACP I am looking to sell cheap, its on PAFOA but if anyone on here wants it i am looking for $400 (i just added trijicon nite site 2 months ago)

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/G36together.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/g36apart.jpg

[DC2.2GSR]

acci is a good guy... swears by 357sig though haha. not sure if you know anything about motorcycles but "acci" is short for "Ferracci" :wink: CP is his part time gig for fun!

anyways, im glad you had a good time and a better experience, now i just have to get over there i haven't shot in like 2 weeks

::edit:: welcome to the dark side, these sigs are seriously addicting, i have my next 2 picked out. as far as the FTE on your 229, the gun may need to be broken in based on the condition you said it was in.. I would shoot 250-350 rds. of ball ammo through it before you carry or feed HP's to her, I have also found that sig LOVE to be lubed well. I carry my 238 every day now and was having the same FTE issues until I broke her in properly and kept her really really well oiled.

(or you could just be limp wrist-ing it like a little girl)

hahaha yep, I'm just a little girl. I seriously felt like that after it jammed up on me. It took a second to register and then I just stared at it like "lol so that's a 'limp-wrist' huh?" I realized what I was doing and corrected it right away. That part is more about getting used to a completely different gun.

Yesterday I shot 200 rounds through it and I couldn't tell if it was the gun getting better or me or both, but I definitely felt more comfortable with it. I'm going to look around for a deal on a full case of .40S&W and I plan to run them all before I carry it.

I've also heard the same about Sigs loving lots of lube and this one seems to have plenty. It drips from everywhere and the factory grease seems excessive to me, but is probably exactly what it needs.

I also think I found the problem with the grip being uncomfortable. I was messing with it last night and finally realized that it's the way I was trying to hold it that was the problem, not the gun. Being so used to my M&P I was trying to get my grip as high as possible so that it felt like shooting the M&P. I think I found the 'sweet spot' and exactly how it's supposed to be held because even a very slight change in grip was a hell of a lot more comfortable. It's weird because it's lower, but I think if I just get used to it then it'll be fine.

[90HP]

bought some tannerite at the gun show this weekend.

also i have a usp compact 9mm in 90 percent condition for sale
ill sell everything for 550 and pay for transfer
http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/120067-heckler-koch-usp-compact-9mm-600-a.html

[~Brian~]

Officially reunited with my XDM :mrgreen:

[cmr076]

Officially reunited with my XDM :mrgreen:

must feel great!

[~Brian~]

must feel great!

I feel whole again. haha

[Drftpretty]

Still looking for a saiga 12 but in the meantime, I just got a kel tec pmr30, some dan wesson cocobolo grips for the 1911, and a buddy gave me an Italian stiletto folder for a debt he owed.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n286/teacupunderfire/cfae7fc2.jpg
I didn't realize how damn big it was till I compared it to my daily pocket blade.

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n286/teacupunderfire/b3d9d15e.jpg
Oh and some new vz gatorback green and black linen grips.

[~Brian~]

Put 100 rounds through the .40 today. Felt damn good!

[DC2.2GSR]

Put 100 rounds through the .40 today. Felt damn good!

Saw your post in the 'ask the law' section...

Google "Brian Aitken"

Don't transport through NJ... at all. Avoid that worthless state like the plague. Mapquest another way around.

If you absolutely must travel through, and you absolutely must transport your gun, make sure you make it as inoperable as possible. Field strip it. Hell, I'd probably detail strip it if it was me. Scatter pieces throughout the car in separate locked containers and hope for the best. NJ, like Philthadelphia, refuses to obey the law so if for some random reason you get 'found out', you're completely at the mercy of the police and what mood they're in. Oh yeah, I almost forgot... take any hollow point carry ammo you have and throw it away. Buy more when you get where you are going. Do not under any circumstances bring even a single stray HP round into NJ.

I wish someone would just chop that miserable state (plus Philly) off and push it into the Atlantic.

[rodder]

I wish someone would just chop that miserable state (plus Philly) off and push it into the Atlantic.

quoted for posterity.

...and I grew up there. :roll:

[~Brian~]

Saw your post in the 'ask the law' section...

Google "Brian Aitken"

Don't transport through NJ... at all. Avoid that worthless state like the plague. Mapquest another way around.

If you absolutely must travel through, and you absolutely must transport your gun, make sure you make it as inoperable as possible. Field strip it. Hell, I'd probably detail strip it if it was me. Scatter pieces throughout the car in separate locked containers and hope for the best. NJ, like Philthadelphia, refuses to obey the law so if for some random reason you get 'found out', you're completely at the mercy of the police and what mood they're in. Oh yeah, I almost forgot... take any hollow point carry ammo you have and throw it away. Buy more when you get where you are going. Do not under any circumstances bring even a single stray HP round into NJ.

I wish someone would just chop that miserable state (plus Philly) off and push it into the Atlantic.


Well not only do I have to go through NJ, I have to drive through NY.....

I'm gonna leave the Critical Defense rounds in Vermont and then pull the XDM apart into tiny pieces and spread them throughout the car. I'll probably make use of that huge box air filter the Passat has. haha

[enigma]

Just a suggestion to any one with a M&P series handgun. Get a trigger job on that puppy asap. I just cut a new angle onto my sear, cutback the striker hump, and polished any contacting parts, and the trigger pull has dropped to a real sweet weight.
Just firing it with snap caps i notice a ton of difference in how much me hand moves post shot, alot easier to pull, but still nice and crisp.
Reccomended Mod!-
http://www.burwellguns.com/misc/M&Ptriggerjob.pdf

[cmr076]

i would never do a trigger job on a gun i carry, maybe it comes from having lawyer parents or maybe it is just paranoia but a trigger job in a self defense situation = prosecution trying to paint you as a terrorist.

[DC2.2GSR]

Just a suggestion to any one with a M&P series handgun. Get a trigger job on that puppy asap. I just cut a new angle onto my sear, cutback the striker hump, and polished any contacting parts, and the trigger pull has dropped to a real sweet weight.
Just firing it with snap caps i notice a ton of difference in how much me hand moves post shot, alot easier to pull, but still nice and crisp.
Reccomended Mod!-
http://www.burwellguns.com/misc/M&Ptriggerjob.pdf

I was considering that for my 40C, but...

i would never do a trigger job on a gun i carry, maybe it comes from having lawyer parents or maybe it is just paranoia but a trigger job in a self defense situation = prosecution trying to paint you as a terrorist.

^ that's one reason I won't be doing it. The fear of extra BS from the prosecution may or may not be warranted but in my opinion the potential risk far outweighs the benefit of a nearly free trigger mod, regardless of how nice it feels. However, I have no problem with the DCAEK from Apex Tactical though, since it's not me modifying the gun myself, but a set of drop in replacement parts that can actually raise the weight of the trigger pull. Supposedly certain Govt. agencies and departments are buying Apex kits for duty weapons, and in some cases the Apex parts are on an 'approved list' of modifications. I don't have proof of that, just what I gather from some forums where the owners of the companies and officers using M&Ps post frequently. With the new M&P contracts I would bet any amount of money that they'll be searching for trigger improvements and Apex is at the top.

My 40C has a pretty nice trigger though. I've held and shot many M&Ps since buying mine and I'm convinced that I ended up with one of the best M&P triggers that rolled out of the factory. S&W's QC on internal parts is crap and there seem to be varying degrees of trigger pull sh*ttiness but mine feels great actually. It's pretty smooth, barely gritty, and it breaks relatively cleanly. I'm happy enough with it as-is, but I think I'll still buy the DCAEK eventually anyway.

[enigma]

Does the same thing as the apex, only for free. Revised sear to trigger bar profile, and revised sear to striker profile.
Unlike the kit, it maintains factory springs. The loss of resistance is due to the reduction of mechanical friction, a result of low quality controls, and to not have an extra step in the machining process of the gun.
Breaking weight is close to a average 1911, perhaps a slight bit heavier. Internal polishing of parts on your own gun is no different than buying a les baer custom carry, one you do the work yourself, and the other you buy off the shelf.
Plus the argument could be made that by reducing the trigger pull, you reduce the amount of gun movement during the shot, which will result in a more accurate shot, reducing the potential for a stray bullet in an emergency situation.

[DC2.2GSR]

Does the same thing as the apex, only for free. Revised sear to trigger bar profile, and revised sear to striker profile.
Unlike the kit, it maintains factory springs. The loss of resistance is due to the reduction of mechanical friction, a result of low quality controls, and to not have an extra step in the machining process of the gun.
Breaking weight is close to a average 1911, perhaps a slight bit heavier. Internal polishing of parts on your own gun is no different than buying a les baer custom carry, one you do the work yourself, and the other you buy off the shelf.
Plus the argument could be made that by reducing the trigger pull, you reduce the amount of gun movement during the shot, which will result in a more accurate shot, reducing the potential for a stray bullet in an emergency situation.

The Burwell mod doesn't do the same thing as the DCAEK, it's closer to the Comp AEK.

Any argument could be made, but IMO a 1911 weight trigger is unacceptable on any gun outside of a range-only gun without an external thumb safety.. like a 1911. Even with one of the safety-equipped M&Ps, the safety doesn't firmly engage like a 1911. They flop around and can become disengaged easily.

I realize that we're talking about only a few pounds difference in pull weight, but if you should happen to be involved in a SD shooting, the prosecution will definitely have the upper hand with the argument that 'you modified the internal parts yourself to unknown and uncontrolled specifications in order to give the gun a hair trigger, etc.'. It's a well known fact that 'hair trigger' is a phrase that generates fear in the average sheep that make up juries and one would do well to avoid that term being thrown around at all costs. If you buy an off-the-shelf drop in parts kit which actually keeps the factory weight or raises it in some cases, and that you could easily pay a gunsmith a few bucks to install, you have the 'prestige' of a well known parts company (that Govt. agencies and police departments are approved to use) and the expertise of a knowledgeable and experienced gunsmith to fall back on.

Again, any argument can be presented, but I would choose to go the safe route and buy everything off the shelf and have it all professionally installed for a gun that I carry. It's just a choice that I have made after reviewing all of the options. The Burwell trigger mod is a great one if it's a range gun but again, IMO, it's too light and too legally risky to have done to a carry gun. After a SD shooting you'll undoubtedly have a hell of a time defending yourself legally with a factory gun, there's no need to add another variable to the equation and make it worse.

[armyguy6566]

anyone know where i can get used guns from in NJ for cheap?

[Munky]

Guns & NJ...:rofl: good luck with that.

[rodder]

anyone know where i can get used guns from in NJ for cheap?

newark

[blkZ06]

I'm surprised your computer didn't go nuclear for having NJ and gun in the same post

[DC2.2GSR]

I'm surprised your computer didn't go nuclear for having NJ and gun in the same post

haha I was thinking the same thing... kinda like when I can go weeks without having a computer issue and when my brother and I are bored we both sit in separate rooms and visit a few choice websites at the same time. All of a sudden, within seconds both of us get a "Firefox/IE has encountered a problem and must be restarted" message and then our house goes internet-dead for 30 minutes or so. :rotfl: We're already on so many different lists it's not even funny.

[cmr076]

anyone know where i can get used guns from in NJ for cheap?

theres this one corner in trenton, i forget the exact streets but i hear the guy in the puffy jacket knows a guy who knows a guy :mrgreen: try budsgunshop.com

[cmr076]

We're already on so many different lists it's not even funny.

i wonder if im on any lists :mrgreen: i was in the "gun a week" club for a while there.


::edit::

forgot about these pics from the other night... had a ton of green tips i cant use at my range and a ton of clips (yes clips)

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/ammoguns.jpg

merry ****!ng christmas

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/stockingammo.jpg

[92awdtsi]

bought myself a taurus TCP .380 here it is next to my g17


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs781.ash1/167156_1708679832117_1091719205_31933854_6178626_n .jpg

[1988 Olds]

Nice TCP, Let us know how you liked it. I picked the LCP over it because of the QC issues I keep reading about. Love to hear a first hand experience on how the gun works

[92awdtsi]

I bought 3 boxes of 95gr fmj's along with it, I'm going to the range later on tonight so I'll put up some pictures and how I like it. I'm not expecting perfection since it's brand new. I ended up choosing this one because I got a decent deal on it, and I also like the fact that when your out of bullets the slide locks open. (which is rare for a pocket .380)

[92awdtsi]

well i shot 150 95gr rds through it. Had several duds, might have a light hammer strike or just cheap ammo. not sure... other than that i had a whole crap load of failure to feeds, i think i may have put the pin in crooked upon disassembly which may have made the barrel get cocked up more than it should though.

edit: i just read on another forum that the TCP's serial # 60000 and under had magazine issues... mine is 59xxx so perhaps a newer magazine will solve the issues

[1988 Olds]

well i shot 150 95gr rds through it. Had several duds, might have a light hammer strike or just cheap ammo. not sure... other than that i had a whole crap load of failure to feeds, i think i may have put the pin in crooked upon disassembly which may have made the barrel get cocked up more than it should though.

edit: i just read on another forum that the TCP's serial # 60000 and under had magazine issues... mine is 59xxx so perhaps a newer magazine will solve the issues

Man that sucks. This is why I ended up buying the LCP, besides the fact the slide don't like back I love the gun. I've never had any failure to feeds or fire in over 100 rounds so far.

[92awdtsi]

i've been playing with it while watching tv, loaded the mag full and cycling the slide by hand and it seems to be feeding and ejecting fine now (well getting better). I don't think i'm limp wristing it... that would cause a FTE not feed correct?

[rodder]

i've been playing with it while watching tv, loaded the mag full and cycling the slide by hand and it seems to be feeding and ejecting fine now (well getting better). I don't think i'm limp wristing it... that would cause a FTE not feed correct?

Limp-wristing can cause all types of malfunctions, but yes, FTE is the most common.

When you are getting FTFs, is it a true FTF? (as in, the fired case is ejected properly but the slide closes on an empty chamber instead of stripping the next round out of the mag) Or is it chambering a round but not fully returning the slide to battery? What brand of ammo is it?

This is disappointing news. I have yet to hear a single person who was actually satisfied by a taurus purchase.

I, for one, would never trust my life to a firearm that had that many problems, magazine issues, limp-wristing, still-breaking in or not.

My LCP has had well over 500 rounds through it without a single malfunction. Not even during the break-in period.

This many malfunctions from a handgun that is specifically designed for up-close-and-personal, worst-case-scenario, life-threatening self defense use is just plain unacceptable.

If you want my personal advice, I'd send it back to taurus as defective, make them fix it, sell it, and buy something without a taurus logo on it to replace it. I'd recommend a P3AT, LCP or Sig P238.

[cmr076]

Limp-wristing can cause all types of malfunctions, but yes, FTE is the most common.

When you are getting FTFs, is it a true FTF? (as in, the fired case is ejected properly but the slide closes on an empty chamber instead of stripping the next round out of the mag) Or is it chambering a round but not fully returning the slide to battery? What brand of ammo is it?

This is disappointing news. I have yet to hear a single person who was actually satisfied by a taurus purchase.

I, for one, would never trust my life to a firearm that had that many problems, magazine issues, limp-wristing, still-breaking in or not.

My LCP has had well over 500 rounds through it without a single malfunction. Not even during the break-in period.

This many malfunctions from a handgun that is specifically designed for up-close-and-personal, worst-case-scenario, life-threatening self defense use is just plain unacceptable.

If you want my personal advice, I'd send it back to taurus as defective, make them fix it, sell it, and buy something without a taurus logo on it to replace it. I'd recommend a P3AT, LCP or Sig P238.

I have a taurus i like! it shoots .410 and 45LC haha... my vote is get a P238 i absolutely love mine

[92awdtsi]

Limp-wristing can cause all types of malfunctions, but yes, FTE is the most common.

When you are getting FTFs, is it a true FTF? (as in, the fired case is ejected properly but the slide closes on an empty chamber instead of stripping the next round out of the mag) Or is it chambering a round but not fully returning the slide to battery? What brand of ammo is it?



it was blazer .380 fmj's (cheap)

the FTF im describing is this.... i shoot the round, the case ejects fine, the next round goes halfway in and the slide gets stuck on it and sticks half open. Most of the time i could just give the back of the slide a slight tap and it would chamber the round and be ok, but for a brand new gun. this should not happen


edit: I also brought my g17 to the range and shooting this taurus has made me appreciate my glock so much more... 3000+ rds through it since i've owned it and not a single hiccup.

[Bizee]

just picked up a springfield xd .40 subcompact for my first firearm. i can already tell this is going to be an addictive interest

[Munky]

Just another relaxing day at the range with Pagoda240. Took out my MSAR & his FN FAL & Savage .223.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5086/5310568551_89157d3758_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5310568351_b489928966_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5008/5311890882_bf9e8e1e00_b.jpg


After awhile he decided we should have a little friendly competition. Here's what transpired.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistamunky/5310563171/in/photostream/

[Turbo_CitrusEs]

hmmm to sell the xd or not to sell the xd........

[cmr076]

im looking to trade the P210 for an AR + cash or just cash... if anyone is interested shoot me a PM!



Box:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210box.jpg

Booklet:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210book.jpg

Target with date stamp (1982! test fired @ 50 yards):
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210date.jpg

everything that was included:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210everything.jpg

Finally the gun and sweet patch:
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/P210gunpatch.jpg

[Munky]

Why ya trading your grail gun for an AR?!?! :bigeek:

[DC2.2GSR]

So I decided to sell the Sig. It's one of those 'I thought the grass was greener..' deals. I'm just going to keep my M&P as my EDC and find something else to play around with. If anyone's interested, it's a P229 w/rail in .40S&W... "Excellent Condition" Sig Certified Pre-Owned. I put 200 rounds through it after I bought it, then cleaned it and here it sits. I would prefer a FTF sale near 19512 but I'll ship it for exact cost if someone wants it. PM me for a price.

I'm still waiting for my Comp-Tac MTAC. It should be here Monday or Tuesday. I just payed $90.50 (shipped) for it, but it can go with the P229 for $80, or buy it alone for the same price. Munky, that means you! lol

[drifty240]

So I decided to sell the Sig. It's one of those 'I thought the grass was greener..' deals. I'm just going to keep my M&P as my EDC and find something else to play around with. If anyone's interested, it's a P229 w/rail in .40S&W... "Excellent Condition" Sig Certified Pre-Owned. I put 200 rounds through it after I bought it, then cleaned it and here it sits. I would prefer a FTF sale near 19512 but I'll ship it for exact cost if someone wants it. PM me for a price.

I'm still waiting for my Comp-Tac MTAC. It should be here Monday or Tuesday. I just payed $90.50 (shipped) for it, but it can go with the P229 for $80, or buy it alone for the same price.


Sorry to hear that but I feel you. I love my SIGs, the 229 would be my wrol handgun over my 1911. Just can't beat the Capacity. My everyday carry is either a kimber uc2 or glock 36.

[DC2.2GSR]

It's just one of those things that's a 'feeling' over just plain enjoying the gun. I'm so comfortable with my M&P that I'm sort of nervous about switching it up. I can manipulate it and shoot it very well and it feels very natural in my hand and is comfortable to carry so I figure why fix what ain't broke? I don't know why I was so focused on changing carry guns, no real reason I guess.. just wanted something different. The P229 is nice (all Sigs for that matter) but it's not something I'll be able to get the feel for like the 40C.

[cmr076]

Why ya trading your grail gun for an AR?!?! :bigeek:

I put trade for AR plus cash because i think it may be hard for people to get 3000 together for a gun in this economy... I am more interested in the cash than AR but would take an AR as part of a trade to offset the cost and make it easier on the buyer.

[cmr076]

got another "shtf" gun, this one maybe behind the couch... or under the dining room table.... hmm the possibilities are endless!!

mossberg tactical cruiser

http://i54.tinypic.com/2cr4sh0.jpg

[Munky]

got another "shtf" gun, this one maybe behind the couch... or under the dining room table.... hmm the possibilities are endless!!

mossberg tactical cruiser

http://i54.tinypic.com/2cr4sh0.jpg

A part of me almost wishes I bought one of those instead of my Moss 590 Persuader. But something about walking through the house with 8+1 just touches my tra la la.

[cmr076]

A part of me almost wishes I bought one of those instead of my Moss 590 Persuader. But something about walking through the house with 8+1 just touches my tra la la.

pshhh, thats what the saiga/drum is for!

[Munky]

Yeah but not all of us have a Saiga sitting around :(

[blkZ06]

yea I'm all for the 20+1

[rodder]

I think I might pick up one of these:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/10/28/new-sig-p290-sub-compact-9mm/

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/p290_detail_right_1-tfb.jpg

[1988 Olds]

This new Sigs are sweet looking. Don't forget Ruger just introduced the LC9 the other day as well

[~Brian~]

FYI, I'm back in PA with my XDM... if anybody wants to meet up..

[cmr076]

everyone loves an AK!

fullsize w/ drum, underfolder w/ aimpoint, draco pistol w/ TLR-2.

::edit:: still waiting on my damn lancaster to come in (9 months later)

http://i56.tinypic.com/11a8h8i.jpg

[drifty240]

Xmas was good for me picked up my first Fal. Something about shooting a real battle rifle will make you want to sale your ar:o Well my B-day is tomorrow and I am getting old and going to die soon so i decided to go all in on a new rifle.

DSA Custom 18" FAL
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/drifty240/dsa1crop.jpg


I could not let my other rifle be left out since I took its Aimpoint and put on the shorter rifle. Picked up a 1.5-5 power scope. I have not shot the scope yet but can i say wow does it seem like it will be awesome to shoot with.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/drifty240/cacrop1.jpg


Going to try and shoot one in 3gun and maybe use the other one in Practical Rifle.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/drifty240/dsacacrop1.jpg


7.62 > 5.56
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/drifty240/223vs762x51NATO.jpg

[cmr076]

50BMG>308 haha nice collection! nothing i love more than a nice battle rifle

[DC2.2GSR]

Dave, when are you shooting again? I could use some trigger time and none of my friends want to pay for ammo (pussies). I always want to go but they always back out or bitch about it and ruin the trip. lol

[cmr076]

Dave, when are you shooting again? I could use some trigger time and none of my friends want to pay for ammo (pussies). I always want to go but they always back out or bitch about it and ruin the trip. lol

i may be going tomorrow to pick up my 238 that was getting serviced as well as the AK i have sitting there if your up for it

[rodder]

When would you guys be available to take a trip over to my buddy's farm?

He lives here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=40.800957,-75.155793&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.332616,69.433594&ie=UTF8&ll=40.801003,-75.155808&spn=0.00532,0.008476&t=h&z=17

(note all the surrounding farm land and how far off the road he is :mrgreen:)

[cmr076]

When would you guys be available to take a trip over to my buddy's farm?

He lives here:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=40.800957,-75.155793&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.332616,69.433594&ie=UTF8&ll=40.801003,-75.155808&spn=0.00532,0.008476&t=h&z=17

(note all the surrounding farm land and how far off the road he is :mrgreen:)

name the day! the dragunov would love to stretch its legs i bet.

[~Brian~]

Are any of you guys out near State College? I'd love to meet up and go kill some paper.

[DC2.2GSR]

name the day! the dragunov would love to stretch its legs i bet.

Same here. I'm up for anything, just about any time.

Brian, I'm like 3.5 hrs away from State College. I'd meet up any time you might be in the area though.

[cmr076]

Same here. I'm up for anything, just about any time.

Brian, I'm like 3.5 hrs away from State College. I'd meet up any time you might be in the area though.

same, if you come down this way your more than welcome to come to classic with me/us

[~Brian~]

Same here. I'm up for anything, just about any time.

Brian, I'm like 3.5 hrs away from State College. I'd meet up any time you might be in the area though.

same, if you come down this way your more than welcome to come to classic with me/us

Alright, sounds good.

My best friend is getting married on the 29th, so I will be driving back to Bethlehem on the 27th. Depending on how much homework I have, I can drive down to your area that Sunday and we can shoot before I go back to school.

[SvicksTc]

hey do you guys have any good suggestion on where to get a used Glock 19 at decent price?

edit: sorry, in the bucks, berks, carbon county area

[92awdtsi]

hey do you guys have any good suggestion on where to get a used Glock 19 at decent price?

edit: sorry, in the bucks, berks, carbon county area

cabelas. i got my g17 for around $375 and it came with 3 17rd mags. g19 will be 15rd though

[90HP]

hey do you guys have any good suggestion on where to get a used Glock 19 at decent price?

edit: sorry, in the bucks, berks, carbon county area

tanners in jamison, they always have a decent selection of used, even if u have to wait a bit, you will find a good priced 19 used

[SvicksTc]

cabelas. i got my g17 for around $375 and it came with 3 17rd mags. g19 will be 15rd though

tanners in jamison, they always have a decent selection of used, even if u have to wait a bit, you will find a good priced 19 used

thank you both for your fast response, i figured cabelas would overprice and item like that...

[Munky]

Cabela's hasn't had any deals on new/used Glocks lately that I have seen. Sign up on PAFOA and search the classifieds. I've been seeing a lot of G19's going up for sale recently. You'll probably find a nice deal over there. Also you could try budsgunshop.com

[cmr076]

apparently because of the AZ shootings glocks are getting hard to find right now with prices going way high. I have a G19 I would consider parting with, it has trijicon nite sites (2) 15 rd glock mags and (1) 33rd mag. The condition on me selling it to you is that if you were to sell it, it be back to me!

[rodder]

(1) 33rd mag

If the idiots in congress have their way this will be highly collectible some day soon. :roll:

These retards are once again calling for the ban of "hi-cap" mags, not even realizing that the story goes the 33 rnd mag malfunctioned which is why bystanders were able to wrestle him to the ground. Anyone with any amount of experience with "hi-cap" mags knows that they aren't very reliable at all.

Besides, who cares about hi-cap mags when a "shoulder thing that goes up" is still available for purchase by regular civilians? Won't anyone think of the children??!!! :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ospNRk2uM3U" frameborder="0"

[SvicksTc]

apparently because of the AZ shootings glocks are getting hard to find right now with prices going way high. I have a G19 I would consider parting with, it has trijicon nite sites (2) 15 rd glock mags and (1) 33rd mag. The condition on me selling it to you is that if you were to sell it, it be back to me!

PM me details im looking to purchase a gun next month was going to start looking now...

[DC2.2GSR]

If the idiots in congress have their way this will be highly collectible some day soon. :roll:

These retards are once again calling for the ban of "hi-cap" mags, not even realizing that the story goes the 33 rnd mag malfunctioned which is why bystanders were able to wrestle him to the ground. Anyone with any amount of experience with "hi-cap" mags knows that they aren't very reliable at all.

Besides, who cares about hi-cap mags when a "shoulder thing that goes up" is still available for purchase by regular civilians? Won't anyone think of the children??!!! :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ospNRk2uM3U" frameborder="0"

This post is exactly what I was explaining to some people I work with during our lunch conversation about the AZ shooting. I was trying to get the point across that the 33 rd mags were probably the only reason more people weren't hurt or killed.

Just clicked the link, it doesn't work. I don't think TST allows imbedding. Here it is http://www.youtube.com/embed/ospNRk2uM3U

[cmr076]

so i decided to build a new AK, this one will be "period correct" with minor subtle updates... so far I have ordered a texas weapons systems Gen 2 dogleg scope mount which replaces the dust cover and give me a rail to mount an optic on. I also got their rear peep site (if you have ever shot an AK than you know the rear site is absolute garbage) I also ordered a Kobra red dot (this is a russian made holo. site with multiple reticles, they are getting REALLY hard to find and i found it in Cali of all places haha) I have an aimpoint on the underfolder and really wanted to keep this one "authentic"... OEM plus if you will. I also ordered a tritium front site (this should make a world of difference) and lastly a G2 trigger!

I am also talking to a guy out west who gets brand new "still in the russian grease" furniture about sourcing me a full mint laminate wood set in russian red, so we will see how that goes. Worst comes to worst I will just re-finish the furniture that is on it or use some of the re-finished wood I have laying around from when I put rails on the draco and underfolder.

I am really pumped for this build and when its done she should be pretty effing sweet... an AK that looks like its from the 80's but functions like its from 2011, im already sold!

[the mike]

Man, sometimes I hate you Pennsy people. :)

[cmr076]

picked up the AK that will be getting the updates, the wood was nice enough that I can re-finish it myself.. best of all it came with the G2 trigger!

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/fullak.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/frontwood.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/AKstock.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/G2trigger.jpg

jumping in head first!

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/akparts.jpg

[cmr076]

Just clicked the link, it doesn't work. I don't think TST allows imbedding. Here it is http://www.youtube.com/embed/ospNRk2uM3U

hahahaha I literally laughed out loud.

"large capacity clips "



"do you know what a barrel shroud is? its in your legislation"

"actually I dont"

whats the issue with barrel shrouds anyways? maybe they meant muzzle breaks? :bigeek:

::edit::

another good one! incendiary means heat seeking... watch out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ

[rodder]

had to post this over here. Originally posted over at PAFOA by member "Prof. Chaos"

Emphasis added by me, specifically for the antis among us (namely our good friend Proven) :lol:

On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman
On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman
By LTC (RET) Dave Grossman, author of "On Killing."

Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me:

"Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.

But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."

Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population. There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke

Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.

Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.

Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."

Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.

And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...

"Baa."

This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.

[SvicksTc]

anyone looking to part with a glock 9mm? Looking to purchase within the next few weeks would not mind a used cared for gun...

also looking at smith & wesson 9mm for the price and reviews on the gun i might be leaning towards this...

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764980_-1_757929_757928_757787_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

can be found cheap here thanks to Munky's sugestion

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/13283

only complaint ive found is the "long" trigger pull

[cmr076]

anyone looking to part with a glock 9mm? Looking to purchase within the next few weeks would not mind a used cared for gun...

also looking at smith & wesson 9mm for the price and reviews on the gun i might be leaning towards this...

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764980_-1_757929_757928_757787_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

can be found cheap here thanks to Munky's sugestion

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/13283

only complaint ive found is the "long" trigger pull

hey sorry i never got back to ya ill shoot you a PM later tonight.

[SvicksTc]

hey sorry i never got back to ya ill shoot you a PM later tonight.

sounds good, just let me know

[DC2.2GSR]

anyone looking to part with a glock 9mm? Looking to purchase within the next few weeks would not mind a used cared for gun...

also looking at smith & wesson 9mm for the price and reviews on the gun i might be leaning towards this...

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_764980_-1_757929_757928_757787_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

can be found cheap here thanks to Munky's sugestion

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/13283

only complaint ive found is the "long" trigger pull

:eek: NO! Don't buy a Sigma!

If you buy a polymer S&W let it be absolutely nothing except an M&P. There are those among us who will say the Sigmas are just fine, etc. and that they go 'bang' every time, but that's about it. They're junk overall.

Better yet, buy Dave's G19. I shot it and it's a great gun.


About the 'sheep' article.. I have that at the top of my favorites list. I show that to people all the time. I have 'woken up' exactly 6 people just by sending them that link. If I could affect so many people within my small circle, I can't imagine all the good it has done since it was written. Dave Grossman is a smart guy. I have been waiting for my Amazon order for his "On Killing" and "On Combat" books for about a month and a half now. I forgot I even ordered them until last night when I checked my order status and realized I must have never hit the order button. I failed miserably. lol. I ordered them last night... I'm sure of it. I can't wait to read them.

[SvicksTc]

:eek: NO! Don't buy a Sigma!

If you buy a polymer S&W let it be absolutely nothing except an M&P. There are those among us who will say the Sigmas are just fine, etc. and that they go 'bang' every time, but that's about it. They're junk overall.

Better yet, buy Dave's G19. I shot it and it's a great gun.


im waiting to hear details about the Glock19, i would like it for some target shooting but for personal carry also

thanks for the input

M&P stands for? Metal & Polymer right? or Military Police issues?

[DC2.2GSR]

im waiting to hear details about the Glock19, i would like it for some target shooting but for personal carry also

thanks for the input

M&P stands for? Metal & Polymer right? or Military Police issues?

I can almost guarantee that no matter who you talk to or what kind of research you do, you'll find that the G19 would easily rank in at least the top three guns for carry, target, and general 'everything' gun on anyone's list. The only one I shot was Dave's at our mini group shoot at CP a while back. I only fired one mag and that's all it took to make a good first impression. It was not phenomenal at anything and it was not mind blowingly 'awesome', it was just a very nice feeling gun. It pointed naturally and the recoil was very manageable. I would not hesitate to buy either the G19 or the G23 (the .40S&W version - same exact gun) for carry or general range use.

As for M&Ps, it stands for Military & Police. They're great guns. I've repeated it ad nauseum, but I reall really love me M&P40C. There are already a ton of aftermarket parts and resources for the M&Ps and we can only expect more in the future, especially with the gigantic M&P contracts that were recently signed with a crapload of Govt. agencies.

[SvicksTc]

I can almost guarantee that no matter who you talk to or what kind of research you do, you'll find that the G19 would easily rank in at least the top three guns for carry, target, and general 'everything' gun on anyone's list. The only one I shot was Dave's at our mini group shoot at CP a while back. I only fired one mag and that's all it took to make a good first impression. It was not phenomenal at anything and it was not mind blowingly 'awesome', it was just a very nice feeling gun. It pointed naturally and the recoil was very manageable. I would not hesitate to buy either the G19 or the G23 (the .40S&W version - same exact gun) for carry or general range use.

As for M&Ps, it stands for Military & Police. They're great guns. I've repeated it ad nauseum, but I reall really love me M&P40C. There are already a ton of aftermarket parts and resources for the M&Ps and we can only expect more in the future, especially with the gigantic M&P contracts that were recently signed with a crapload of Govt. agencies.

Thanks again for the input, i was thinking MP was military and police but the fact the S&W is metal and polymer had me thinking ha...

As you can probably tell im not looking to break the bank with this gun purchase as this will be MY first legal handgun purchase and getting a license to carry, however, this is not the first time ive shot handguns etc...

mainly have shot my dads walther p99, however, only a few times and he is not an avid shooter nor does he carry...mainly for piece of mind at our cabin house i think? ha

[cmr076]

the M&Ps are nice guns, while I hate the 40 cal round either the glock or M&P would be a perfect well rounded gun... beware though svick, once you get one your going to try and justify 10 more haha

[SvicksTc]

the M&Ps are nice guns, while I hate the 40 cal round either the glock or M&P would be a perfect well rounded gun... beware though svick, once you get one your going to try and justify 10 more haha

ha im sure thats how it goes, however, i want to get real comfortable with one gun and comfortable enough to begin to carry...

any more details on letting that glock go :cool: I will baby it and come summer once the money starts rollin in from work and being out of school i could move on with my on returning yours :)

[cmr076]

little photo shoot of my favorite revolver.. a heavily customized pre-lock S&W 65 K frame

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/revolver-1.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/revolver2.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/revolver3.jpg

and carry mode

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/revolvercarry.jpg

[1988 Olds]

I'll put in a positive post about the S&W sigma. I carried a 9ve for about a year. It was a great gun. Put about 1000 rounds through it without any problems. I sold it to my friend who has probably put another 1000 rounds through it without any problems. I did remove a few springs and polish a few parts to get the trigger to where I liked it for target shooting. It was just as accurate as my Glock 26. If your looking for a cheap gun to start out with I'd reccomend it or a used Glock 19. I have shot a few M&Ps and just perfer the Glock a lot better.

[cmr076]

made some progress on the AK tonight (i wonder what troll would say if I made a member journal for each gun build haha)

How she started:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/fullak.jpg

disassembly begins:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/akparts.jpg[/QUOTE]

removed all the wood (this pic is pre-work)

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/woodprecleaning.jpg

getting the commie grease and dirt off:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/Woodbeingstripped.jpg

Parts drying after being Gun Scrubber'd

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/AKmetalframecleaningpreBarricade.jpg

the hardware drying after being gun scrubber'd

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/AKmetalaccessoriescleaning.jpg

The Lower is now SPOTLESS (i wish i took a before pic, she was disgusting)

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/Lowercleaned.jpg

Post gun scrubbing with barricade applied:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/partsafterbeingcleanedandbarricaded.jpg

after paint stripper, steel wool, hot water and an oven a before and after (3 coats of stain 7 more to come and then clearing it)

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/Wood5050.jpg

everything gets stained!

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/woodafter3coatsofstain.jpg

coming back together (somewhat) still waiting on parts:

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/partsbarricadedandcomingbacktogether.jpg

I should be finishing the stock tomorrow.

[drifty240]

New purchase....

Saigi 12 with 5 mags and some good old military 00 buck shot

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/drifty240/saiga12.jpg



oh wait, would this be considered a high capacity clip:o

[cmr076]

New purchase....

Saigi 12 with 5 mags and some good old military 00 buck shot

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i211/drifty240/saiga12.jpg



oh wait, would this be considered a high capacity clip:o

no no no, there only 10rds.. hi-capacity is 33, DUHH. We have a drum for ours, you should look into it :)

[~Brian~]

apparently because of the AZ shootings glocks are getting hard to find right now with prices going way high. I have a G19 I would consider parting with, it has trijicon nite sites (2) 15 rd glock mags and (1) 33rd mag. The condition on me selling it to you is that if you were to sell it, it be back to me!

Sent ya a PM on this in case the other guys don't scoop it up from you!

[cmr076]

I am really up in the air about whether I want to sell it, I dont shoot her at all any more but it was my first handgun so there is a certain level of sentiment attached to the gun, plus I would probably want way more than anyone would be willing to pay.

[~Brian~]

It's cool, I completely understand. I don't know if I would ever be willing to part with my XDM, even if somebody gave me a ridiculously high offer.

[PhillySVT]

Picked up a new host gun for the sear:
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/5189/img0960i.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9210/img0959y.jpg
The guy has a bunch of HK clones for sale. Really nice guy (SOT) located up in allentown. He doesn't have a retail shop....he mostly does online sales.

[cmr076]

Picked up a new host gun for the sear:
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/5189/img0960i.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9210/img0959y.jpg
The guy has a bunch of HK clones for sale. Really nice guy (SOT) located up in allentown. He doesn't have a retail shop....he mostly does online sales.

I am not even going to pretend I am not jealous.. you sir have the makings of a clone of my dream gun

[blkZ06]

if you would stop spending money on guns that are "just cuz" you could have one

[DC2.2GSR]

I'm planning on heading to Classic Pistol tomorrow (Sun) if anyone wants to join. I don't know what time, probably somewhere around noon.

[SvicksTc]

I'm planning on heading to Classic Pistol tomorrow (Sun) if anyone wants to join. I don't know what time, probably somewhere around noon.

where is that located?

[DC2.2GSR]

where is that located?

Classic Pistol home page (http://www.classicpistol.com/)

Map and stuff (http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&biw=1920&bih=835&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=classic+pistol&fb=1&gl=us&hq=classic+pistol&hnear=Pottsgrove,+PA&cid=16555257409266938361)

[SvicksTc]

Classic Pistol home page (http://www.classicpistol.com/)

Map and stuff (http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&biw=1920&bih=835&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=classic+pistol&fb=1&gl=us&hq=classic+pistol&hnear=Pottsgrove,+PA&cid=16555257409266938361)

hey southampton is a little to far for me to drive today, packing up things to go back to school and have to get the girl from work...

[angdefeo]

I bought a Glock 19 (two tone with EOX slide) with night sights on saturday. I think that wil be my new carry piece. I am waiting for a bladetech holdeter to arrive.

[cavillac95]

http://gawker.com/5735034/webcam+controlled-guns-discovered-in-georgia-woods

[rodder]

http://gawker.com/5735034/webcam+controlled-guns-discovered-in-georgia-woods

LOL, they should set these up along the mexican border and open a "defend your national sovereignty" pay site. We'd solve the economic crisis and the illegal immigration problem in about a week. :lol:

[SvicksTc]

So I think ive decided to go with the S&W Sigma 9mm for my first handgun purchase....I am going to order a set of snap caps to get use to the hard trigger pull and possibly look into getting it smithed depending on how i feel about it...

I just filled out my CCW application and will be going to the court house sometime this week when i get a break from classes...

I will not be carrying the gun right away until i truly feel 100% comfortable and honed in my shooting with the sigma....

Im in the process of looking into concealed holsters and which one will be best suited for me... (im thinking inside the pants holster)

Should i just use some roundball to break in the gun?

[cmr076]

So I think ive decided to go with the S&W Sigma 9mm for my first handgun purchase....I am going to order a set of snap caps to get use to the hard trigger pull and possibly look into getting it smithed depending on how i feel about it...

I just filled out my CCW application and will be going to the court house sometime this week when i get a break from classes...

I will not be carrying the gun right away until i truly feel 100% comfortable and honed in my shooting with the sigma....

Im in the process of looking into concealed holsters and which one will be best suited for me... (im thinking inside the pants holster)

Should i just use some roundball to break in the gun?

I would recommend against getting your carry gun smithed, just my opinion. Look at desantis cozy partner for an IWB holster, I love mine and sold DC2 on it as well..

If the gun is brand new absolutely break it in with ball ammo, some people say guns dont need to be broken in but I have had a number of guns (mostly sigs) that dont feed HPs until a few hundred rounds of ball down the pipe (wow that sounded gay)

and just a FYI if your going to get into the "gun culture" in PA its not a ccw its a LTCF (license to carry firearms) you dont need a LTCF to open carry in most instances unless your in a car or in a city of the first class (philly) but a LTCF makes life a lot easier.

Next time your back in the area you should come shoot with me DC2 and rodder, I cant speak on their behalf but the last mini shoot we had was a blast for me and it was nice to put names and faces to the usernames.

Lastly take a look here: http://www.pafoa.org/law it will give you a rundown of all the laws, etc. I am beginning to hate that site but its a good resource for laws and regulations. etc.

[SvicksTc]

I would recommend against getting your carry gun smithed, just my opinion. Look at desantis cozy partner for an IWB holster, I love mine and sold DC2 on it as well..

If the gun is brand new absolutely break it in with ball ammo, some people say guns dont need to be broken in but I have had a number of guns (mostly sigs) that dont feed HPs until a few hundred rounds of ball down the pipe (wow that sounded gay)

and just a FYI if your going to get into the "gun culture" in PA its not a ccw its a LTCF (license to carry firearms) you dont need a LTCF to open carry in most instances unless your in a car or in a city of the first class (philly) but a LTCF makes life a lot easier.

Next time your back in the area you should come shoot with me DC2 and rodder, I cant speak on their behalf but the last mini shoot we had was a blast for me and it was nice to put names and faces to the usernames.

Lastly take a look here: http://www.pafoa.org/law it will give you a rundown of all the laws, etc. I am beginning to hate that site but its a good resource for laws and regulations. etc.

Thanks for all your guys help, I really appreciate it... The reason i mentioned getting it smithed was because of the compartive 12lb trigger pull which a lot of people complain about, however, i probably wont notice much of a difference and most likely not....just a lot of people from what ive read suggested it....

and yes the gun will be brand new since i really cant beat the price from budsgunshop.com im sure come summer i will be moving onto a different gun ha normally when i dive into hobbies i get sucked in hard...

im looking into that holster right now...is it a universal that fits say medium sized guns, etc?

I know you dont need a license to OPEN carry, however, i want to conceal for comfort reasons...

edit: i dont think they make the cozy partner for the sigma looking at their site

[rodder]

Massad Ayoob, who is considered by many to be THE leading authority on firearm law, has said modifying a firearm that you plan on using for self defense is 100% defensible in court as long as you don't go and do something wacky like put a 1.5 lb trigger on it or something.

I wouldn't worry about lightening the trigger on a sigma, they've got what, like a 300 lb trigger pull out of the box? :lol:

Of course, I am not a lawyer, so don't do anything you aren't personally comfortable with.

Personally, I'd rather just wait and save up an extra hundred bucks or so and get yourself something you'll be happy with. Depending on how much your smith charges you might end up breaking even anyway. JMHO, of course. I'm just really not a fan of sigmas and there are so many better choices that have come out recently I don't really understand why you'd choose one over all the other options there are.

[Munky]

Personally, I'd rather just wait and save up an extra hundred bucks or so and get yourself something you'll be happy with. Depending on how much your smith charges you might end up breaking even anyway. JMHO, of course. I'm just really not a fan of sigmas and there are so many better choices that have come out recently I don't really understand why you'd choose one over all the other options there are.

Couldn't agree more with this statement.

[SvicksTc]

Massad Ayoob, who is considered by many to be THE leading authority on firearm law, has said modifying a firearm that you plan on using for self defense is 100% defensible in court as long as you don't go and do something wacky like put a 1.5 lb trigger on it or something.

I wouldn't worry about lightening the trigger on a sigma, they've got what, like a 300 lb trigger pull out of the box? :lol:

Of course, I am not a lawyer, so don't do anything you aren't personally comfortable with.

Personally, I'd rather just wait and save up an extra hundred bucks or so and get yourself something you'll be happy with. Depending on how much your smith charges you might end up breaking even anyway. JMHO, of course. I'm just really not a fan of sigmas and there are so many better choices that have come out recently I don't really understand why you'd choose one over all the other options there are.

honestly its the price and overall solid reviews of the gun...

its basically a glock rep, I am 21 college student who has many other expensive hobbies, im not ready to drop 600 plus on a new gun just yet...

Plus everyone says their first gun is not "their" perfect gun anyway.... for the 350 price range this gun falls in for new, case, lock, 3 mags (2 16+1) 1 10rd for 289.00 + 20 dollar transfer fee to the store im getting it shipped too..


If anyone has more suggestions on a new gun in the 350 price range or maybe 400 with similar deals and glock/sigma style of gun I am all ears and open to other suggestions no doubt...

I have not made the move on the gun yet as i am looking to do so within the next month...ive been reading and lurking and researching for a good bit now...

[1988 Olds]

honestly its the price and overall solid reviews of the gun...

its basically a glock rep, I am 21 college student who has many other expensive hobbies, im not ready to drop 600 plus on a new gun just yet...

Plus everyone says their first gun is not "their" perfect gun anyway.... for the 350 price range this gun falls in for new, case, lock, 3 mags (2 16+1) 1 10rd for 289.00 + 20 dollar transfer fee to the store im getting it shipped too..


If anyone has more suggestions on a new gun in the 350 price range or maybe 400 with similar deals and glock/sigma style of gun I am all ears and open to other suggestions no doubt...

I have not made the move on the gun yet as i am looking to do so within the next month...ive been reading and lurking and researching for a good bit now...

I actually sold my Sigma to a buddy but if I go shooting at Pistol People on State road just about every other week with him. I'm sure he would let you try it out if I asked. I'd also be willing to do the trigger mod for you if that something you'd want. I really could not find a new gun I liked better for the price range.

[DC2.2GSR]

...

Personally, I'd rather just wait and save up an extra hundred bucks or so and get yourself something you'll be happy with. Depending on how much your smith charges you might end up breaking even anyway. JMHO, of course. I'm just really not a fan of sigmas and there are so many better choices that have come out recently I don't really understand why you'd choose one over all the other options there are.


Just wanted to quote this again. It pretty much describes it perfectly.

Here's the thing. You're carrying a gun for only one reason, and that is to defend your life and/or the lives of your loved ones. It's not a 'first car' or a 'starter apartment'. It's a gun that you plan on relying on at the worst possible moment of your life. Finding your "perfect gun" should be the main focus of buying your first one. Why bargain shop? The price should not matter. If it's expensive, but it's perfect for you and you shoot it well, then it's worth every cent and every minute of time spent saving up for it. If your perfect gun happens to be inexpensive as compared to other quality guns, well then that's a nice little bonus.

Believe me - I understand what it means to have to save up for only one gun and have to make that one choice out of necessity, because you can't just buy and buy until you find the right one. It sucks, but if it's a reality as it was for me, then it's all you have to work with. If you can't afford your perfect gun, just wait a while until you can. Don't cheap out on a gun just because you want it now. You've already said that you don't plan on carrying it right away so why rush into it and buy one just because it's cheap?

Another point that I don't think has been mentioned yet is 'trigger time'. Have you shot a Sigma? What carry-able handguns have you shot? Like I mentioned above, buying a carry gun is serious business. You should really get some range time in with a few different guns before you just buy one blind off the internet. Again, the Sigma might be 'your gun', but if you haven't shot it and also shot a few others for comparison, how will you know?

I only mention some of these things because my dad is the one who told me to slow down and save up for the right gun. When I first got into the idea of carrying, I needed a gun NOW. :roll: I was about to buy a used Ruger SR9 because it was dirt cheap and available and had "lots of ammo in the clip". My dad explained everything to me and slowed me down a bit and just pointed me in the right direction for research. I ended up taking his advice and taking about 5 months to decide on the right one. It took all that time to research until my head hurt, and all that time to hold just about every gun in the Cabela's counter, and all that time to rack up enough actual shooting time to make an educated and intelligent decision about which one was right for me. When I finally bought mine, I walked up to the counter and was signing paperwork within about 30 seconds. I was sure it was my gun. The Sigma might be yours, as it was for 1988 Olds, or it might be a $1000+ Sig or HK, who knows? Just don't rush into it. Go hold a ton of guns and shoot as much as you can until you figure it out.

ETA:

A note on prices...

If you save for a bit and give yourself $500 to spend on a gun and a quality holster, you could have just about any compact gun on the market. Some might be new, others used but in great condition. It really doesn't matter whether you buy new or used (in my opinion anyway). Unless a gun has been dragged behind a truck or has been raped without lube as a rental gun with 10k+ rounds through it, you're really not going to come across many bad used guns.

[rodder]

there are really a lot of handguns in the $350 - $400 that IMO are better choices than a sigma. If you only can name 2 pistols that fit your criteria (glock and sigma) then you haven't really done enough research.

Also, I would 100% buy a used but proven firearm like a glock, XD or M&P over a new sigma if they were the same price.

and DC2's advice about going to a range and shooting every handgun they have available to rent is the best advice you can possibly take. You may shoot a sigma and absolutely hate it. Of course on the other hand you could totally fall in love with it. The thing is you won't know until you shoot it, and if you wait to shoot it until after you buy it, you're taking a risk that you'll just have to take a hit and sell it to get the gun you should have gotten to begin with.

[1988 Olds]

Very good advice guys. I think if I had waited longer to buy my first gun I would have ended up with a Glock in the first place. Also don't forget a revolver very well might be a good gun for you to consider as well.

[SvicksTc]

there are really a lot of handguns in the $350 - $400 that IMO are better choices than a sigma. If you only can name 2 pistols that fit your criteria (glock and sigma) then you haven't really done enough research.

Also, I would 100% buy a used but proven firearm like a glock, XD or M&P over a new sigma if they were the same price.

and DC2's advice about going to a range and shooting every handgun they have available to rent is the best advice you can possibly take. You may shoot a sigma and absolutely hate it. Of course on the other hand you could totally fall in love with it. The thing is you won't know until you shoot it, and if you wait to shoot it until after you buy it, you're taking a risk that you'll just have to take a hit and sell it to get the gun you should have gotten to begin with.

I see exactly what you are both saying and i think thats the best advice ive heard so far, i did not even think of going to rent some guns...

As far as the guns you mentioned above those were my first choices until i started searching and not finding something in that great of condition or that was not drastically over priced so i read that sigmas were clock reps pretty much and that is what originally drew me to them...

I think i will be going to the range in 2 weeks to try out some guns when i get a break from classes...

I will be continue to post in here guys I hope you can stand my noob-ness

[cmr076]

if you'd like I have a LOT of carry-able guns you can try out, off the top of my head (without going into the safe) glock 19,20,36 sig P238, S&W 65 and 686, taurus judge, springfield TRP 1911, Ruger LCP.. I'm sure there are a few more, and I would be willing to bet rodder and DC2 would let you try out their guns.. The best advice given to you so far was to get as much trigger time with as many different gun as possible.

[SvicksTc]

if you'd like I have a LOT of carry-able guns you can try out, off the top of my head (without going into the safe) glock 19,20,36 sig P238, S&W 65 and 686, taurus judge, springfield TRP 1911, Ruger LCP.. I'm sure there are a few more, and I would be willing to bet rodder and DC2 would let you try out their guns.. The best advice given to you so far was to get as much trigger time with as many different gun as possible.

That would be awesome and i would definitely compensate you for doing that...

I will be home from school in 2 weeks if you would want to do something?

Thanks

[cmr076]

That would be awesome and i would definitely compensate you for doing that...

I will be home from school in 2 weeks if you would want to do something?

Thanks

absolutely, maybe we can get another mini shoot together.. what days are you home? Sundays are usually best to not wait a long time.. I can call them in advance and see if we can have a few lanes next to each other again if there is interest

[~Brian~]

absolutely, maybe we can get another mini shoot together.. what days are you home? Sundays are usually best to not wait a long time.. I can call them in advance and see if we can have a few lanes next to each other again if there is interest

I'll be coming home from school on Thursday, so maybe sometime during that weekend we can all meet up and shoot...

[SvicksTc]

absolutely, maybe we can get another mini shoot together.. what days are you home? Sundays are usually best to not wait a long time.. I can call them in advance and see if we can have a few lanes next to each other again if there is interest

I will probably be home not this friday, but next, til late sunday night so sunday could work for me, pm your number or something

[cmr076]

I'll be coming home from school on Thursday, so maybe sometime during that weekend we can all meet up and shoot...

lemme know when, Im free from 6-whenever thursday 6-8 friday all day sat. and before 4 on sunday

[armyguy6566]

movin to PA soon. looking for a good priced .45. any ideas?

[cmr076]

The resto-ak is done for now, the rest of the parts are back ordered :( re-finished wood, slant muzzle break, cleaned, G2 trigger and gangster leather sling. Im loving her so far!

stock on top resto on bottom

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/akcomparison.jpg

and my G19 i just put on sigforum and PAFOA



http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/glock-2.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/glock-1.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/glockrearsite.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/glockfrontsite.jpg

[armyguy6566]

link to the G19?

[armyguy6566]

this would go good with that AK.

[rodder]

That would be awesome and i would definitely compensate you for doing that...

I will be home from school in 2 weeks if you would want to do something?

Thanks

I can add to that list and offer you some trigger time with my XD or M&P.

I thought of another great proven option that would fit into the high end of your price range and be dead-reliable.

At almost every gun show I've ever been to, they have at least a table or two full of used police Sig P229s. They're usually in the $400 - $500 range depending on condition. The nice thing is with used sigs, like glocks, replacement parts are readily available. So if you need something like, for instance, a recoil spring, you can just buy it online and have it shipped right to your house.

[~Brian~]

link to the G19?

http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/122954-gen-3-glock-19-ar-long-range-rifle.html

[Munky]

and my G19 i just put on sigforum and PAFOA



http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr145/gvautosport/firearms/glock-2.jpg

How much for the 33rnd & Kershaw :lol:. Ok seriously tho...wanna sell me the 33rnd?!?!

[cmr076]

How much for the 33rnd & Kershaw :lol:. Ok seriously tho...wanna sell me the 33rnd?!?!

haha nah im gonna keep it together, and if i do separate my buddy jon has first dibs.

[Munky]

Booooooooooooo!!! I knew I should have bought some at Leesport. GLWS!!!

[DC2.2GSR]

I can add to that list and offer you some trigger time with my XD or M&P.

I thought of another great proven option that would fit into the high end of your price range and be dead-reliable.

At almost every gun show I've ever been to, they have at least a table or two full of used police Sig P229s. They're usually in the $400 - $500 range depending on condition. The nice thing is with used sigs, like glocks, replacement parts are readily available. So if you need something like, for instance, a recoil spring, you can just buy it online and have it shipped right to your house.

Same here. My M&P will always be at the range with me and if I don't find a buyer for my Sig before we meet up, my P229 will be there as well. Svicks, rodder's M&P compact is a 9mm (IIRC) and mine is a .40S&W so you can get a feel for the difference between the two rounds on two identical guns and also apply it loosely to a .357Sig as well since .40 feels most similar to the .40 instead of the 9mm. I'm sure there will be a few .45ACPs floating around too. Once you've shot a few different calibers in similar guns you can really start to notice some differences. Also, assuming we go to Classic, they have a bunch of carry-able rentals. They're pretty cheap to rent and we'll have tons of ammo so you won't have to buy whole boxes of each caliber that you want to try.

As for finding the P229 at shows - while I was shopping for mine I had a hell of a time finding any at shows or even in shops. On Friday at the VF Gun Show in December there were three at the entire show, and I bought one. lol. Mine was a Sig Pre-Owned, then there was a brand new blue-band one at the next table (that had more visible wear than mine on the outside), and one old beat up one in 9mm. There were two P228s, but they were really beat. One had smileys on the barrel that had gone past wear on the finish and had actually worn a deep groove. The rails were completely dull silver (100% dead) and looked like they were never lubed. :eek:

I'm in for shooting any time you guys want to. Dave, calling ahead would be awesome since we would easily have enough people for a whole room. It would be nice to not be all split up.

[SvicksTc]

Just signed up on pafoa.org (same user name here) I need to get my post count up to browse and search the forum (dave i sent you a friend request) ha

Wow this all sounds great, as just getting together with such a vast knowledge base group would help tremendously with my great lack of knowledge in many areas...

Once again I appreciate everyones will to help and to get my on my feet here

Dave that Glock looks in one of the best shaped used g19 ive seen for sale online so far, maybe i can save up the extra dough and make an offer on it without the 33rd and your buddy could have that take the price down a tad :) just curious ha

Also if im going to be possibly saving a little more for a gun before i buy

How many people carry a XD9? they are also found for a great price online

I also pm'd a few members on pafoa.org about come guns for sale, 2 of them being xd9 for what i feel are fair prices

and to be honest the s&w sigma 9mm is still on my mind (I know, i know how you guys feel about that gun ha), however the features of the xd seem like something i may feel more comfortable with such as the indicators and internal safety features.... and its like for 150 so more than what the sigma would be i could either make an offer on daves glock :) or pick up a great condition xd on the forums doesnt seem like a bad idea for a longer term investment into a gun...

However all the bad stuff ive heard about the sigma was the earlier released version and they fixed a lot of problems with the newer version?

keep me going guys...

[cmr076]

Just signed up on pafoa.org (same user name here) I need to get my post count up to browse and search the forum (dave i sent you a friend request) ha

Wow this all sounds great, as just getting together with such a vast knowledge base group would help tremendously with my great lack of knowledge in many areas...

Once again I appreciate everyones will to help and to get my on my feet here

Dave that Glock looks in one of the best shaped used g19 ive seen for sale online so far, maybe i can save up the extra dough and make an offer on it without the 33rd and your buddy could have that take the price down a tad :) just curious ha

Also if im going to be possibly saving a little more for a gun before i buy

How many people carry a XD9? they are also found for a great price online

I also pm'd a few members on pafoa.org about come guns for sale, 2 of them being xd9 for what i feel are fair prices

and to be honest the s&w sigma 9mm is still on my mind (I know, i know how you guys feel about that gun ha), however the features of the xd seem like something i may feel more comfortable with such as the indicators and internal safety features.... and its like for 150 so more than what the sigma would be i could either make an offer on daves glock :) or pick up a great condition xd on the forums doesnt seem like a bad idea for a longer term investment into a gun...

However all the bad stuff ive heard about the sigma was the earlier released version and they fixed a lot of problems with the newer version?

keep me going guys...

hey ill go accept your friend request now, the glock is so clean because I have carried her maybe twice and havent fired her in MONTHS.

What are you looking to spend, TOPS? I may be able to work with you on the glock, If I do sell I want her to go to a good home and would rather see you with her than the sigma, but like I said before I would request that if you get to a point where you want to sell her you sell her back to me.



on a complete other note I have had this 50 BMG itch I cant seem to scratch... I know I know I wont have a use for it but I really want one, someone (jordan or itstock) pleaes talk me out of this! It would pretty much deplete my NFA savings :cry:

[SvicksTc]

hey ill go accept your friend request now, the glock is so clean because I have carried her maybe twice and havent fired her in MONTHS.

What are you looking to spend, TOPS? I may be able to work with you on the glock, If I do sell I want her to go to a good home and would rather see you with her than the sigma, but like I said before I would request that if you get to a point where you want to sell her you sell her back to me.



on a complete other note I have had this 50 BMG itch I cant seem to scratch... I know I know I wont have a use for it but I really want one, someone (jordan or itstock) pleaes talk me out of this! It would pretty much deplete my NFA savings :cry:

At this point with more research ive been doing and listening your advice the sigma is def not a first or second pick at this point ha...

Ive been looking and im looking to stay sub 450 on the price at this point, decided to take the extra 2 weeks or so it will take me to put aside a little more dough to make a decent first purchase instead of buying a gun just to have a gun if you know what i mean

[DC2.2GSR]

At this point with more research ive been doing and listening your advice the sigma is def not a first or second pick at this point ha...

Ive been looking and im looking to stay sub 450 on the price at this point, decided to take the extra 2 weeks or so it will take me to put aside a little more dough to make a decent first purchase instead of buying a gun just to have a gun if you know what i mean

$450 is a good number. Like I said before, you can get pretty much any 'regular' gun - a carry-able gun, not a show piece - for around that price. Only one thing I'd stress again though, go shoot some before you put a cap on what you want to spend and before you completely eliminate a gun from your list of possibles. Also remember that it's not just the cost of the gun that you have to worry about. You need to buy a quality gun and also save for a quality holster (the first time - don't be an idiot like me and buy 5 for the same gun because they all suck). You also need money for range ammo, both when renting guns and when shooting other peoples' guns (only if you want to shoot a lot lol). You also should put aside some cash for things like cleaning supplies and even carry ammo. You can expect a solid $25-30 for 20 rounds of anything worth carrying. You don't need to buy the best of everything, but believe me, it all adds up quickly. That's why I waited so long to buy a gun even after I was really into the idea of carrying.

You say you're at school now and you'll be home in two weeks. Why don't we finalize some plans to meet at Classic Pistol on that Sunday and you'll get to shoot pretty much every gun in your price range. Wait until then to start making offers on guns and to start really thinking about what features you're looking for in a gun.

For example, right now you may like the idea of a loaded chamber indicator that's found on newer Sigs, XDs, M&Ps, Glocks, etc. What I can tell you for certain is that once you become comfortable with your gun you'll never use it for any kind of serious double check of a loaded chamber... ever. It's only there as a 'feel good' feature, probably adopted for use because of some weak minded individual(s) crying at the gun manufacturers about "safety" or whatever. Once you get some training and some time spent at the range and carrying you'll learn that some form of a press-check is the only reliable and safe way to make sure it's loaded, and that the only time a gun is unloaded is when it's field stripped and laying in pieces on your table and there isn't a single round in sight.

Another note about internal safeties, etc... anything comparable to an XD is going to have a comparable internal safety. Gloks, XDs, M&Ps, etc, they all have internal 'drop' safeties. The difference with XDs though is that they have the grip safety, which personally I find to be a bit annoying and distracting. Glocks have the trigger safety that protrudes through the center of the trigger. Again, I find it uncomfortable and distracting. M&Ps have the hinged trigger which I feel is the most 'normal' feeling of them all, but other people feel that it makes for a weak feeling or mushy trigger. Gotta try them all first though to be sure which one you want.

[SvicksTc]

$450 is a good number. Like I said before, you can get pretty much any 'regular' gun - a carry-able gun, not a show piece - for around that price. Only one thing I'd stress again though, go shoot some before you put a cap on what you want to spend and before you completely eliminate a gun from your list of possibles. Also remember that it's not just the cost of the gun that you have to worry about. You need to buy a quality gun and also save for a quality holster (the first time - don't be an idiot like me and buy 5 for the same gun because they all suck). You also need money for range ammo, both when renting guns and when shooting other peoples' guns (only if you want to shoot a lot lol). You also should put aside some cash for things like cleaning supplies and even carry ammo. You can expect a solid $25-30 for 20 rounds of anything worth carrying. You don't need to buy the best of everything, but believe me, it all adds up quickly. That's why I waited so long to buy a gun even after I was really into the idea of carrying.

You say you're at school now and you'll be home in two weeks. Why don't we finalize some plans to meet at Classic Pistol on that Sunday and you'll get to shoot pretty much every gun in your price range. Wait until then to start making offers on guns and to start really thinking about what features you're looking for in a gun.

For example, right now you may like the idea of a loaded chamber indicator that's found on newer Sigs, XDs, M&Ps, Glocks, etc. What I can tell you for certain is that once you become comfortable with your gun you'll never use it for any kind of serious double check of a loaded chamber... ever. It's only there as a 'feel good' feature, probably adopted for use because of some weak minded individual(s) crying at the gun manufacturers about "safety" or whatever. Once you get some training and some time spent at the range and carrying you'll learn that some form of a press-check is the only reliable and safe way to make sure it's loaded, and that the only time a gun is unloaded is when it's field stripped and laying in pieces on your table and there isn't a single round in sight.

Another note about internal safeties, etc... anything comparable to an XD is going to have a comparable internal safety. Gloks, XDs, M&Ps, etc, they all have internal 'drop' safeties. The difference with XDs though is that they have the grip safety, which personally I find to be a bit annoying and distracting. Glocks have the trigger safety that protrudes through the center of the trigger. Again, I find it uncomfortable and distracting. M&Ps have the hinged trigger which I feel is the most 'normal' feeling of them all, but other people feel that it makes for a weak feeling or mushy trigger. Gotta try them all first though to be sure which one you want.


I definitly hear you on this one, and was not plan on unloading until after the little get together and give myself more time to save the extra dough for the 450 price range that i have come to realize is where i "really" want to be right now...

I totally feel you on the striker indicator thing as just a feel good feature, but i do like the idea of a grip safety :/...My first choice of gun when i first started looking was G17 and G19 and they have no features like this and was quite aware of what i would have to learn to handle a gun with such....

I like that both the glock and xd series have no safety other than trigger or xd grip safety

How much money should i bring to the meet to compensate you guys hooking me up..any of you can pm or text me

[~Brian~]

hey ill go accept your friend request now, the glock is so clean because I have carried her maybe twice and havent fired her in MONTHS.

What are you looking to spend, TOPS? I may be able to work with you on the glock, If I do sell I want her to go to a good home and would rather see you with her than the sigma, but like I said before I would request that if you get to a point where you want to sell her you sell her back to me.



on a complete other note I have had this 50 BMG itch I cant seem to scratch... I know I know I wont have a use for it but I really want one, someone (jordan or itstock) pleaes talk me out of this! It would pretty much deplete my NFA savings :cry:

Think MP5...

And SvicksTc, if you don't get the Glock, I would def recommend the Springfield XD or XDM series. I have an XDM now and I love the way it shoots. Very well build and very safe. It would be a great first handgun for you.

[ITSTOCK]

on a complete other note I have had this 50 BMG itch I cant seem to scratch... I know I know I wont have a use for it but I really want one, someone (jordan or itstock) pleaes talk me out of this! It would pretty much deplete my NFA savings :cry:

I'm going to try and pick up an RDIAS at the end of this year depending on how much I put in to my house. My thoughts are, I wish I did this a long time ago instead of purchasing the other guns, the .50 included.

You won't hear me talking you out of an HK sub/sear or M16/sear.

[blkZ06]

You have my permission to not buy a .50BMG yet

Stop dropping money into semi auto ****, get the sand out of your vagina and buy a god damn machine gun

[SvicksTc]

Think MP5...

And SvicksTc, if you don't get the Glock, I would def recommend the Springfield XD or XDM series. I have an XDM now and I love the way it shoots. Very well build and very safe. It would be a great first handgun for you.

I am not sure if the XDM 4.5'' series would be to big of a gun for daily carry compared to the sub xd 4''? the xdm has 19+1 capacity and im not sure if i really need that? compared to the as im sure you know 16+1 capacity of the xd, however, ive read it has greater accuracy, etc.

i will be wanting to carry with iwb