I Really hate Subaru right now, this is unacceptable

[turboman808]

Until you drive the car I wouldn't comment on it.

Drove the Lamborghini glalardo and F360 with paddle shifts many years ago and have driven these cars a few times since. The Gallardo is a bit better but both shift very harsh. They are manual boxes that the electronics shift for you. It drops the clutch on the 360 like you are on the race track all the time. They are terrible IMO

Then a few years back I test drove an Audi TT with automatic paddle shift. I thought the car was pretty dam good. It shifted pretty fast.

Then this summer I drove the new Jaguar XKR and XFR at the race track. Both are flappy paddle automatics. These cars were perfect. Just amazing transmissions matted to a 500+ hp motor. You had a beast and oyu had a dialy driver in one car. All down to the best transmission I have ever seen.

I walked away that day this summer concluding that manual transmissions days are numbered. They are just that good.


I don't how this new Subaru is gonna be. I would say drive it first before you decide it's a bad idea.



I know alot of guys will say "Real men don't need autos or traction control". Well those guys probably haven't driven a 600 hp monster in the street and scared to have fun in it even for a moment because they know it can get away from you. Then you can only enjoy your car on the race track.

Until you have tried this stuff don't knock it.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by BustedUjoint

So, you are saying that because YOU don't like the new STi, Subaru is ****ing up? I personally really like the new body style, and have driven a few of them. I liked them so much, that I was going to get one. Until, this little antichrist in my wife's stomach started growing. From my understanding, they SWITCHED to the hatch because it was more useful IN the WRC. Now, why the decided to pull out of it is beyond me. But, stop. . take a breathe. . and realize that there are a lot of people out there that actually like and enjoy the new STi, whether that be auto or manual. Who gives a ****? We aren't in the "Super Car" class. And Subaru is obviously doing something right seeing as how they are/have been one of the top foreign car companies throughout this economic disaster to actually pull in profit (of course I can not find the chart that I saw this one previously).

Where did you see this info for your original post anyways? Was it the STi A Line? because like I said. this is actually old news, and if memory serves me correctly, it has less HP then the manual as well.

PS. . ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?! THERE IS AN OPTION TO PUT A ROOF RACK ON! THIS IS BULL****!! IM GOING TO GO SET MY WAGON ON FIRE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT SOMEWHAT RESEMBLES THE NEW STI WITH AN OPTIONAL ROOF RACK. . . . .BULL****!!!!!!!!! :D

Its more of a marketing thing here. You build ur product on brand name. that brand name must stand for something. STi has always stood for the hardcore "rally" cars that you can buy at a dealer and drive on the street. When I say "rally car" i mean as an image thing, not as a function thing, obviously they require 100k or so in mods to really go on a rally.

now Band names appeal to certain people (ie ur market) now the stis market is all enthusiasts who want the full on driving experience. they want something much more hardcore than a normal car. Now subaru is turning the sti into one of those "normal" cars and thus alienating the market. they will lose sales. (i know they arent making it exclusively auto, but this is the essence of how they have made the sti more mundane a car over the last few years) The wrx is supposed to be the car people buy who need to make some compromises for practicality sake. but now the sti makes more compromises that the wrx does......hmmmmm. The wrx only comes in manual, now the sti doesnt. marketing wise they are ****ed up bigtime.

I know many people like the new sti and the wagon thing, like i said before it had begun to grow on me (so long as the taillights were de-ricified)

[MuddyREX]

Originally Posted by ndubz

Ok most of u know how i feel about the wagon sti. not only is it a Fugly, fat station wagon

For the last ****ing time, it's a hatchback. Not a god damn wagon.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by turboman808

Until you drive the car I wouldn't comment on it.

Drove the Lamborghini glalardo and F360 with paddle shifts many years ago and have driven these cars a few times since. The Gallardo is a bit better but both shift very harsh. They are manual boxes that the electronics shift for you. It drops the clutch on the 360 like you are on the race track all the time. They are terrible IMO

Then a few years back I test drove an Audi TT with automatic paddle shift. I thought the car was pretty dam good. It shifted pretty fast.

Then this summer I drove the new Jaguar XKR and XFR at the race track. Both are flappy paddle automatics. These cars were perfect. Just amazing transmissions matted to a 500+ hp motor. You had a beast and oyu had a dialy driver in one car. All down to the best transmission I have ever seen.

I walked away that day this summer concluding that manual transmissions days are numbered. They are just that good.


I don't how this new Subaru is gonna be. I would say drive it first before you decide it's a bad idea.



I know alot of guys will say "Real men don't need autos or traction control". Well those guys probably haven't driven a 600 hp monster in the street and scared to have fun in it even for a moment because they know it can get away from you. Then you can only enjoy your car on the race track.

Until you have tried this stuff don't knock it.

Im not entirely against the sti with no clutch pedal, I knew it would happen sometime. But its the fact that they put in a conventional slushbox. not with the times.....not with their market competitors. They needed a twin clutch tranny like in the evo, or a CVT like in the ISF. conventional autos days are numbered far before the conventional manual's are. that is stone age technology. and from a marketing point of view is utterly retarded given that they are etering the market knowing they have an inferior product to their main competitor.

I know all the hubub about the early paddleshift ferraris and whatnot. they had their issues then. but that technology has been mastered, refined, and brought down market. theres no excuse for a performance car of any sort to have a convientional, wasteful and inefficient slushbox

[boostjunky]

It is a wagon, or 5 door hatch. Whatever you prefer.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/station+wagon
That is why so many companies call them other things. Like Sportcross or Sportback or Estate or Avant.

Wagons rock. Anyways. The EVO VII GT-A was a semi slush.
All 2 of the WRC class cars are hatches. Idk what the problem is here. You seem to be very angry in many a posts. Don't give yourself a stroke over the little stuff.

Long live the D pillar.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by MuddyREX

For the last ****ing time, it's a hatchback. Not a god damn wagon.

nope, that argument had some value before. but now that any idiot who can press a pedal can take the kids to soccer practice in it, It is now OFFICIALLY a "station wagon". they may as well make a woody edition to go with the carbon edition.

Selling a performance car only in manual is not just a feature, but also a sort of safeguard. cuz in order to drive the car, u need to know how to drive stick, which shows a commitment to the driving experience and that u take operating a motor vehicle more seriously than the average idiot. (at least these days this is true)

but now any ditzy highschool chick can drive a 300hp 3500lb car while talking on her cellphone, doing her makeup, and yanking the college guy in the passenger seat......all at the same time. Isnt that a great ****ing idea!!!!!!!!!!!

dont even get me started on the angry soccer moms on a mission to get their kids to practice. the whole " these kids are gonna get to practice on time, even if i have to hit everyone i pass on the way there attitude". thats dangerous in any car, but now those bitches can go over 150mph.....holy ****ing ****. if u aint scared u should be.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by boostjunky

It is a wagon, or 5 door hatch. Whatever you prefer.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/station+wagon
That is why so many companies call them other things. Like Sportcross or Sportback or Estate or Avant.

Wagons rock. Anyways. The EVO VII GT-A was a semi slush.
All 2 of the WRC class cars are hatches. Idk what the problem is here. You seem to be very angry in many a posts. Don't give yourself a stroke over the little stuff.

Long live the D pillar.

Ive already ranted on the wagon thing over a year ago. this thread is about the damn slushbox.

[ndubz]

and make no mistake guys. this may be a limited edition now. but that is just how they are introducing the auto trans for the sti. it will be an option for all of them by 2011 for sure.

[The Captain]

Smart move by them if you ask me. Just appealing to another market. Nothing wrong with wanting to make more money.

[MuddyREX]

Originally Posted by ndubz

dont even get me started on the angry soccer moms on a mission to get their kids to practice. the whole " these kids are gonna get to practice on time, even if i have to hit everyone i pass on the way there attitude". thats dangerous in any car, but now those bitches can go over 150mph.....holy ****ing ****. if u aint scared u should be.

You really make me lol with the idiocy of some of your comments.

[BustedUjoint]

why dont you post a link like i asked you to further up. And just because its auto, doesn't mean that anyone is going to buy it. A soccer mom is not going to buy an STi because its a 5 door. The suspension is still too stiff, the seats are not "comfy" and it doesn't have the extra's that people outside of the group looking for an STi would want to have. Also, I would be highly surprised if this actually makes it to the US. And, because there is not a LINK, I can not get the full details on what the hell this thing is.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by MuddyREX

You really make me lol with the idiocy of some of your comments.

just tell me that when one of them bitches runs u off the road.



look i know im getting excessive here. But is this argument really so hard to see? and if so why?

[jspek]

seriously? shut the **** up.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by BustedUjoint

why dont you post a link like i asked you to further up. And just because its auto, doesn't mean that anyone is going to buy it. A soccer mom is not going to buy an STi because its a 5 door. The suspension is still too stiff, the seats are not "comfy" and it doesn't have the extra's that people outside of the group looking for an STi would want to have. Also, I would be highly surprised if this actually makes it to the US. And, because there is not a LINK, I can not get the full details on what the hell this thing is.

the link to the site i found it on is in my first post. I checked jalopnik briefly...nothing

and those were excessive and extreme examples. i know

[bl@ckvr4]

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but I definitely see paddle shifters in that picture. What makes you think it's not a dual clutch like the Evo X?

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by bl@ckvr4

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but I definitely see paddle shifters in that picture. What makes you think it's not a dual clutch like the Evo X?

its not, ive looked at the details. its a 5speed slushbox.

if it were a dual clutch like the Evo, there would be no thread here. look through the thread. u'll lol at my stupid rants

[mcperson2k]

I love the wagons, and I think that looks awesome.. I would drive it anyday.

[BustedUjoint]

Originally Posted by ndubz

the link to the site i found it on is in my first post.

iiiiii don't see it. . . am I retarded, blind or both? Can you REpost the link then?

[jjm4life]

again ndubz strikes with his worthless opinion.

selling more cars allows them to stay business and build the more sport focused cars.

porsche sells Cayennes so that they can build 911.

and ndubz- last i saw your wheels dont match. therefore your opinion will continue to mean dick. \

[BustedUjoint]

nevermind, i just followed the link from the pictures. In any event, after a little reading this is just a "special" edition STi A-Line. . .AKA, only offered in Japan. AKA, they have 80934 different types of STi's. AKA, this thread is now worthless. AKA, find something else to complain about. If you want to get picky, yes, they are making an A-Line, but what about the Spec-C? Which is lighter, stiffer and has more power the the STi offered here. Again, something NOT offered here. AKA, close thread.

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...bon-auto_shows

And if you go by this link, there will also be two engines offered.

Two engines are available in the option list for Subaru Impreza WRX STi Carbon: a 2.0-litre turbo with 308hp and 422Nm of torque and a 2.5-litre turbo with 300hp and maximum torque of 407Nm.

http://www.4wheelsnews.com/subaru-im...yo-motor-show/