subaru knows RWD is more fun

[Ender81]

Looks like the FT-86 finished 120th ahead of the ISF which finished 126th. Doesn't mean much I'm sure but still cool.

[Jah1mon]

Not really sure the Fb mounts the same as the ej. I'll have to look next time one comes in. That would make the just drop in an ej idea not as simple.

Yea, I wasn't sure if they were using a FB or a yamaha version of a EJ. I think the EJ would be the smarter choice it would easier to modifiy and tune since the platform has been out for so long.

[Supraru]

Yea, I wasn't sure if they were using a FB or a yamaha version of a EJ. I think the EJ would be the smarter choice it would easier to modifiy and tune since the platform has been out for so long.

There is no Yamaha version of the Ej. As a matter of fact there is no more ej. They will all be slowly converting to the new FB's hence why there is no changes yet for the wrx/sti's. The ej is now dead. lol

[215_2.5]

wouldnt be able to do this with RWD
http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l482/bossbigal36668/snow/168735_10150096848472855_797897854_6137515_1843550 _n.jpg

[Ender81]

Why not?

[215_2.5]

i would be able to do it with out the snow lol

[Ender81]

Lol see I hang out with Chris B. a lot and I've seen him and his mustang attack worse snow that that haha.

[JB'sLGT]

"more than 200 but less than 300hp" for the BRZ

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle.aspx?AR=259739

[b-rad]

http://m.jalopnik.com/5854865/scion-fr+s-all-the-specs

Discuss

[SHOdude]

lol... tauras sho w/ a mustang body? gimmie!!

Its been done http://www.stangtv.com/forum/old-school-taurus-sho-meets-fox-7105.html I know a couple guys on the SHOfourm have swapped them into camero's, marauders, even a ranger

[c7scayman]

Sorry for the large pictures, but here are the lastest pictures of the Subaru.
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201111/subaru-brz-concept-s_1600x0w.jpg

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201111/2012-subaru-brz-concept-s_1280x0w.jpg

[Ender81]

I might be mistaken but I think only the first shot is from Subaru I think the second is just someone's best guess.

[mcperson2k]

I like it except for the mirrors.

[Scapegoat]

Its been done http://www.stangtv.com/forum/old-school-taurus-sho-meets-fox-7105.html I know a couple guys on the SHOfourm have swapped them into camero's, marauders, even a ranger

not quite what i had in mind...

[Chris B.]

I put the Subaru BRZ info based on Motor Trend's article of the prototype test drive into Car Test 2000. Its a software program used to estimate a vehicle's performance. Its not 100% accurate, but give you a ballpark figure. Its a lot more accurate when you have actual power curves, wheel weights, gear ratios, coefficient of drag, frontal area, etc...

Since the Motor Trend article said the auto trans is from the Lexus IS, I used the 6 speed manual trans and 3.91 rear end from the Lexus IS250. Using the 200 HP and 170 ft-lbs power estimate with the Motor Trend article saying that there is no need to rev it past 7000 even though redline is 7400 RPM I guesstimated at a power peak of around 7000 RPM and a torque peak around 5000 RPM. The article also said the car had 215/45-17 tires. Using a curb weight of 2600 lbs and a .30 coefficient of drag, the results I got were:

0-60 MPH 6.34 seconds
0-100 MPH 17.09 seconds
1/4 mile 14.9@95 MPH
Skidpad 0.90 lateral g's
Top Speed 146 MPH
Fuel Mileage 22 MPG city 35 MPG highway

I wonder how close the actual vehicle will be to these specs.

[nuTinmuch]

I put the Subaru BRZ info based on Motor Trend's article of the prototype test drive into Car Test 2000. Its a software program used to estimate a vehicle's performance. Its not 100% accurate, but give you a ballpark figure. Its a lot more accurate when you have actual power curves, wheel weights, gear ratios, coefficient of drag, frontal area, etc...

Since the Motor Trend article said the auto trans is from the Lexus IS, I used the 6 speed manual trans and 3.91 rear end from the Lexus IS250. Using the 200 HP and 170 ft-lbs power estimate with the Motor Trend article saying that there is no need to rev it past 7000 even though redline is 7400 RPM I guesstimated at a power peak of around 7000 RPM and a torque peak around 5000 RPM. The article also said the car had 215/45-17 tires. Using a curb weight of 2600 lbs and a .30 coefficient of drag, the results I got were:

0-60 MPH 6.34 seconds
0-100 MPH 17.09 seconds
1/4 mile 14.9@95 MPH
Skidpad 0.90 lateral g's
Top Speed 146 MPH
Fuel Mileage 22 MPG city 35 MPG highway

I wonder how close the actual vehicle will be to these specs.

Those numbers are very close to Car & Driver's. Also a 0-60 of 6 seconds or so isn't that bad. It isn't "fast" by today's standards, but in such a light car, that could be really fun.

[c7scayman]

0-60 MPH 6.34 seconds
0-100 MPH 17.09 seconds
1/4 mile 14.9@95 MPH
Skidpad 0.90 lateral g's
Top Speed 146 MPH
Fuel Mileage 22 MPG city 35 MPG highway

I wonder how close the actual vehicle will be to these specs.

I hope that is how it will be because I don't want it to be faster than my 12 year old sports car. :-p It was fast 10-12 years ago but considered average to today's sports cars.

[marshallpre1]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2131

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2011/10/toyota-ft-86-trounces-mazda-mx-5-in-the-fun-department-report.html

I love this car. I love how close they stayed to the concept. I don't wanna hear people bitching about how Toyota's boringness/bean counters/whatever else BS ruined this car!

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5910/tf2yv.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-loNtOa0jWg8/Tq9DYjqPA_I/AAAAAAAFY1E/9RbOSbb3BQ4

[killichnakropf]

Can I get an awd mustang, please? That would be rad.

More companies should offer it as an option.

[Supraru]

I put the Subaru BRZ info based on Motor Trend's article of the prototype test drive into Car Test 2000. Its a software program used to estimate a vehicle's performance. Its not 100% accurate, but give you a ballpark figure. Its a lot more accurate when you have actual power curves, wheel weights, gear ratios, coefficient of drag, frontal area, etc...

Since the Motor Trend article said the auto trans is from the Lexus IS, I used the 6 speed manual trans and 3.91 rear end from the Lexus IS250. Using the 200 HP and 170 ft-lbs power estimate with the Motor Trend article saying that there is no need to rev it past 7000 even though redline is 7400 RPM I guesstimated at a power peak of around 7000 RPM and a torque peak around 5000 RPM. The article also said the car had 215/45-17 tires. Using a curb weight of 2600 lbs and a .30 coefficient of drag, the results I got were:

0-60 MPH 6.34 seconds
0-100 MPH 17.09 seconds
1/4 mile 14.9@95 MPH
Skidpad 0.90 lateral g's
Top Speed 146 MPH
Fuel Mileage 22 MPG city 35 MPG highway

I wonder how close the actual vehicle will be to these specs.

Don't really know how close that's gonna be. I know Toyota released their 200hp motor but from what I heard it's going to be maybe around the 250hp ish range n/a. I'll see if I can find the info but I've seen so much bs who knows where I read that.

[Supraholic]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/304110_10150362646691533_51474321532_8594073_13487 58829_n.jpg

[c7scayman]

^Here is a better picture from slightly different angle. I am liking it.
http://www.maperformance.com/rehost/IMG_4204.jpg

[SpEcRv9]

It's not terrible, but there's nothing about it that makes me think "I need to have it NAOW!"

Especially not at the rumored price of the upper 20s bordering 30k...I think things like 5.0 mustang at that price point.

[c7scayman]

With the front emblem gone, it kind of looks like an S2000 in the front.

[rocknrace03]

It's not terrible, but there's nothing about it that makes me think "I need to have it NAOW!"

Especially not at the rumored price of the upper 20s bordering 30k...I think things like 5.0 mustang at that price point.

and also for that price you could buy a new wrx or a low miles 2 year old sti and have quite a bit more power, id still like to see a turbo version a factory option, not a "convenient" swap

[mcperson2k]

I like it. I really hope it doesn't keep those mirrors, cause I keep seeing them on all the content that is released... And I think some of you guys are missing the purpose of this car. From everything I have been reading, its supposed to be a drivers car, like the Miata for example. I much rather have this sitting in my driveway, than a WRX. Its not like their goal here is to have the #1 sports car on the market. Its something new, that was built with different intentions in mind than the WRX. Go buy a WRX if you want a turbo car with more HP.

How do you open the door? :lol:

Honestly, I will prob end up in a BRZ or a 2013 Genesis when my lease is up. Im super excited to see how both turn out.

[Supraru]

I like it a lot. I really like the looks of the toyota version but I think the Subaru's looks more grown up and cleaner. The jury is still out since there isn't any power numbers. Clearly no scoop so no turbo but I can't help to notice the "concept sti" on the floor. I know sti doesn't mean turbo but I can't also see an sti model car rocking 200 hp to the crank either.

[bru91]

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/26/europes-toyota-gt-86-sports-car-revealed-arrives-june-2012/

Official European production Toyota version is called Toyota GT 86

2.0-liter boxer with D4-S injection (direct and port injected)
197 hp @ 7,000 rpm and 151 lb-ft (205 Nm) @6,600 rpm
6-speed manual or automatic transmissions
17-inch wheel/tire package standard
4,240mm (167 in.) long, 1285mm (50.6 in.) high, 2,570mm (101 in.) wide
53:47 front-to-rear weight distribution
475mm (18.7 in.) center of gravity

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/11/toyotagt86hero.jpg

[tehSteve]

no turbo. no thanks!
could of at least added some hood vents.

[Chris B.]

It looks like someone is having fun with the Toyota version already!

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagames/NFS/speedhunters.com/Images/Dino%20Dalle%20Carbonare/2011/NOV2011/T86-Preview/AY0F2675.jpg

[sean3]

Looks killer in motion there. Mind is still full of **** that they aren't strapping a turbo on and selling an expensive model though.

[c7scayman]

Here is footage and test drive of the Toyota GT86/Base BRZ
http://autoholics.com/2011/11/27/First-Footage-of-the-FT-86-in-Action-583852?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=112711+No+Ad+Corvette+Street+Race+Wre ck&utm_content=112711+No+Ad+Corvette+Street+Race+Wrec k+Version+B+CID_677efe41fd182a84548089dc38429602&utm_source=CD+email+newsletter&utm_term=First+Footage+of+FT-86FR-S+In+Action

[fightinchunk]

i have zero confidence that this car will actually be good. on paper... sounds great. but it's not gonna feel like a s13 or gc.

/oldman rant

[fightinchunk]

also stems from me being fooled by hyundai. after test driving both coupe offerings and experiencing that rev hang issue.... new cars can all go **** themselves

[jpalamar]

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/26/europes-toyota-gt-86-sports-car-revealed-arrives-june-2012/

Official European production Toyota version is called Toyota GT 86

2.0-liter boxer with D4-S injection (direct and port injected)
197 hp @ 7,000 rpm and 151 lb-ft (205 Nm) @6,600 rpm
6-speed manual or automatic transmissions
17-inch wheel/tire package standard
4,240mm (167 in.) long, 1285mm (50.6 in.) high, 2,570mm (101 in.) wide
53:47 front-to-rear weight distribution
475mm (18.7 in.) center of gravity

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/11/toyotagt86hero.jpg

So zero low end power then. Sounds like a blast as a DD.

[c7scayman]

Edmunds's Insideline Tested the Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ Base.
0-62mph(0-100kph) in 7.0 seconds. -Slower than the new Civic Si and GTI.
$25,000
7500rpm redline, 6 speed manual.
Just under 2900 lbs.
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/86/2013/2013-toyota-86-first-drive.html

It should have been faster, but it is about the same 0-62mph(0-100kph) time as the Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0 Turbo.

[bru91]

Production versions of all 3 cars

Scion FR-S, for the US market

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/12/scion-fr-s-debut.jpg

Toyota GT-86, for JDM land and European markets

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/11/2012toyotagt86.jpg

Subaru BR-Z, for US, Japanese, and European markets

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/11/2012subarubrzreveal.jpg

Other than minor differences, all 3 cars are pretty much the same. Badge snobs rejoice.

[JB'sLGT]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a383/Kostamojen/IMG_6048.jpg

[mcperson2k]

I think the Toyota looks a lot nicer than the Subaru. Not digging the Subaru bumper. Will the interior be the same?

[DaBombDiggidy]

these all look ugly, slow, and retarted.

read the drive tests the car has body roll, does a 7+ second 0 to 60 and is just not a fun car at all.

[marshallpre1]

these all look ugly, slow, and retarted.

read the drive tests the car has body roll, does a 7+ second 0 to 60 and is just not a fun car at all.

Yep. Not fun at all, except everyone has been praising the car lol

Toyota builds a tuner car because tuners were crying about it.. Toyota does it and then people still cry about it. What if nissan called it a 200SX would people clap??? This deep rooted hatred for Toyota in this forum is ridiculous.

The arguments I've heard:
Where's the turbo? It's not fast enough!- Their goal was a lighweight, nimble car. 2700lbs NA. They got that goal. Power to weight is better than a Gen Coupe

It's ugly- doesn't look like the concept at all!- Actually it looks like the concept, but it needs to meet safety standards set by the government...

It can barely fit 4 adults!- Ok, you want it lightweight, practical, etc. It can haul 4 wheels/tires and tools to the track and haul 4people if necessary. It is damn practical.

Interior sucks- Remember the price point?

Mustang is faster- You guys are really not reading the purpose of this car.

Etc., etc. etc.


"This is our second time behind the wheel of the 2013 Toyota 86...sort of. Last month we sampled a prototype of the 2013 Scion FR-S, which is an 86 dressed for the American market. After that drive we said the Scion is small, light and nimble — everything a good sports car should be — and we speculated that it might be the best car in a decade. Well, now we've tossed the little coupe around again, and with every mile behind the wheel that suspicion is growing into a deep-rooted belief."

"Despite this, at its best, the 2013 Toyota 86's driving experience is a match for the likes of a Porsche Cayman, and accolades don't come much higher than that."

[mcperson2k]

How can anyone think this car looks ugly? What is ugly about it? You think your srt-4 is better looking?

If im not mistaken, doesn't the most praised Miata of all time, do 0-60 in like 9 seconds.... And is considered one of the most fun cars to drive ever?

[DaBombDiggidy]

How can anyone think this car looks ugly? What is ugly about it? You think your srt-4 is better looking?

If im not mistaken, doesn't the most praised Miata of all time, do 0-60 in like 9 seconds.... And is considered one of the most fun cars to drive ever?

lol @ the personal attack. its an opinion sorry that your opinion isn't regarded as the standard among everyone on this forum. heres why DISCLAIMER!!! I PERSONALLY do not like the look of this car or it all together.

lets see...
-the wheels are hideous & look like pep boy specials
-the headlights are uninspired and look like 10 other different cars in production right now
- ride height is **** and =s body roll (shouldn't be happening for this "light nimble cornering machine as everyone is touting)
- the tails look like ebay products

and contrary to popular belief the most recent reports 2,822-pound curb weight with 151 tq and the price tag has gone from 20k to 25k to now "itll be less then 30k"

this car was cool when it was a rumor

[nuTinmuch]

Haha. Car gets universal praise by everyone who has a chance to drive one?

Must be awful.

ride height is ****

Tell me more!

[SpEcRv9]

I hate giving my opinion about this car since I'm a gen coupe owner and of course it'll look like I'm biased, but in reality, they're 2 completely separate cars....

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/12/2011/11/8b087db907ed79b88c3ccd9044f912bd/original.png

I don't think it looks bad, but I really still don't think there's anything special about it (of course haven't driven one and I know people ARE liking it so far)...it's still way too watered down for my tastes as well, especially in the scion interior....I'd almost prefer a TC interior....

[marshallpre1]

The price tag is the make it or break it factor for me. I just helped a friend buy a new 2.0T Gen Coupe premium yesterday. Great car (I really really like it) but it still invoiced nearly $26K. This car needs to start ~$22-23K. Maybe they can go cheaper with a tuner model (similar to the tC) with steel wheels, no radio, etc

[SpEcRv9]

I would never have paid over 24k for a 2.0 genesis...its a 24k car max...I feel like less expensive cars these days are all still 2-3 grand over priced (especially in this market civic si, mazdaspeed3, wrx etc all overpriced by a couple grand)...for 26 he could be in a 3.8 r-spec or a 2.0 r-spec with $2500 in his pocket.

But If he can spend that, and wants to for a few extras, more power to him..who's my broke ass to talk about someone spending more? :lol: ...tell him to remove the intake silencer to wake the power band up a bit! Makes the stock gen much mo' betta

[marshallpre1]

I would never have paid over 24k for a 2.0 genesis...its a 24k car max...I feel like less expensive cars these days are all still 2-3 grand over priced (especially in this market civic si, mazdaspeed3, wrx etc all overpriced by a couple grand)...for 26 he could be in a 3.8 r-spec or a 2.0 r-spec with $2500 in his pocket.

But If he can spend that, and wants to for a few extras, more power to him..who's my broke ass to talk about someone spending more? :lol: ...tell him to remove the intake silencer to wake the power band up a bit! Makes the stock gen much mo' betta

#1: She's a girl lol
#2: She wanted more features like bluetooth, Nav etc.
#3: The "new car" price is one of the reasons I've never bought a "new car". Let someone else take the depreciation.
#4: Don't worry that silencer will be removed :)
#5: Yes, she's hot haha

[marshallpre1]

If you're looking to buy this car, I'd wait a little bit:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/260343/

TRD has test cars out with more power and better suspension. Might become a standalone model or simply add on parts.

[rocknrace03]

i do like the subaru version more now that I've seen real life pictures of it, i also saw today on Facebook that the guys over at crawford have already started tapping into the computer to make adjustments, they're also talking about working on putting together a turbo kit for it.and i saw on GReddy's page that they already have coil overs and exhaust made for it. so it does seem like there will be tons of aftermarket backing on this car and its barely even available yet. i've always told myself that i wanted an STi ever since i road in a brothers friend's car, but when i get out of school and have a full time, decent paying job, i definitely won't count this out when it comes to test driving them, the only thing that worries me is the rwd factor, i know that part will make it more fun to drive, but for the weather we get around here i wonder if it would be more of a spring to late fall kind of car. I'm definitely willing to give it a chance

[devildog214]

I think its great, it fills a niche of a light, rwd coupe. They are definitly going to be sliding these soon. And probably going to market the TRD parts, etc. Its a blank canvas like scions, but instead of gay body kits and fake performance parts to make the car look cool i hope they make the parts actually track-worthy.

[jpalamar]

I'm curious how this thing even with a turbo kit will compare to a new stock V6 Mustang. I'm digging the looks but til you get this and dump money to make it even remotely powerful, you might as well just get a Mustang GT.

[JB'sLGT]

What I've learned from this thread:

This car sucks because it doesn't have 400hp.

Silly Miata owners. Your car sucks too...all 1 million of you.

[marshallpre1]

What I've learned from this thread:

This car sucks because it doesn't have 400hp. for the relatively cheap asing price it is asking!

Silly Miata owners. Your car sucks too...all 1 million of you.

LOL. Exactly.

It seems like this forum is all about the drag strip, which this car was not made for.

Also another GLOWING five star review from Evo Mag

"We've driven Toyota's new GT 86 rear-drive sports coupe - and on first impressions, it's brilliant"

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/276016/driven_toyota_gt_86.html

[Supraholic]

2013 Subaru BRZ Price Starts around $24,000 – And We Have the Detailed Specs!


http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2011/12/brz-specs-1024x640.jpg

http://wot.motortrend.com/2013-subaru-brz-price-starts-at-24000-and-we-have-the-detailed-specs-142245.html

[nuTinmuch]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/11/finally-ttac-gets-its-hands-on-the-ft86-and-its-chief-engineer/

We also went to competitors and asked them: “Why do you focus on fast cars?” The response almost always was: ‘Actually, we really don’t want to develop these kinds of cars. But once we bring a plan to develop that car to our board, the first question the directors of the company would ask is: How much faster is that car compared to what the competition has? How many seconds faster around the Nürburgring? What about the acceleration? These questions always come up because numerical performance is the easiest to understand.

It is impossible to develop a sports car that appeals to everybody. If you try to please everybody, the car would be half-baked for everybody, and not particularly good for anybody. This car is not developed by a committee, or by consensus.

[Chris B.]

I think the Toyota looks a lot nicer than the Subaru. Not digging the Subaru bumper. Will the interior be the same?

The interiors of the Toyota and the Subaru models are nearly identical. The Subaru interior pays tribute to the Toyota 2000GT just like the Toyota model does.

[SpEcRv9]

From what I hear navi is standard on the suby.

Edit- I've just seen a suby model interior without it...so I'm sure that was a mistake.

[Chris B.]

I'm curious how this thing even with a turbo kit will compare to a new stock V6 Mustang. I'm digging the looks but til you get this and dump money to make it even remotely powerful, you might as well just get a Mustang GT.

Between the cost of the car and a turbo kit, its probably a lot more expensive than a new 3.7 V6 Mustang. I've seen performance package V6's sell for under $23K new before any special offers or rebates.

[Supraru]

Where the hell have you nutswingers been on this? You guys seem like you pride yourselves in busting the new hot rumor and pictures? How the F' couldn't you have come across this? It was posted 4 days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LjYl7VfFKE&feature=player_embedded#!

[Redline86]

Between the cost of the car and a turbo kit, its probably a lot more expensive than a new 3.7 V6 Mustang. I've seen performance package V6's sell for under $23K new before any special offers or rebates.

This car is build more for the track and not for drag racing. I think most people miss the point of this car. Sure your mustang is fast in a strait line. How about taking corners?

I personally don't like mustangs/Camaros due to their looks/style, but that is my opinion.

So far this car get awesome reviews, even though it doesn't look good on paper. I guess we have to see for ourselves.

[Supraru]

This car is build more for the track and not for drag racing. I think most people miss the point of this car. Sure your mustang is fast in a strait line. How about taking corners?

I personally don't like mustangs/Camaros due to their looks/style, but that is my opinion.

So far this car get awesome reviews even though it doesn't look good on paper. I guess we have to see for ourselves.

The V6 beat an sti around vir by a good amount bouncing off its rev limiter on the strait. I'm sure that's coming next.

The new stangs actually handle very well. I'm under impression that it's the best handling stock mustang ever made. And don't forget about all the extra crazy ford racing parts you can put on to make it a monster (which was what was on the v6 that beat the sti). Clearly proves how nasty these things can become with stock upgrades. If only Subaru could do something like this instead of getting embarrassed by sending a showroom stock sti. Maybe they should have sent their Nuremberg fast lap setter. haha

[JB'sLGT]

Would anyone ever compare a Mustang and a Miata?

No.

So why compare this car to a Mustang, when it's only slightly bigger than a Miata?

They are two completely separate design philosophies. Subaru plans to sell about 1000 of these per year. They're not catering to the masses with this car, only to a specific enthusiast group.

[Supraru]

Would anyone ever compare a Mustang and a Miata?

No.

So why compare this car to a Mustang, when it's only slightly bigger than a Miata?

They are two completely separate design philosophies. Subaru plans to sell about 1000 of these per year. They're not catering to the masses with this car, only to a specific enthusiast group.

Penis measuring contest. People like comparing the brand they love to the rest of the world. If theirs does better at a specific point in time they wait that long to rub it in. They get blinded by it as well. They just keep attacking anything even if it doesn't make any sense. lol. Either that or they are very fearful what will happen once this thing gets some real power.

[DaBombDiggidy]

Would anyone ever compare a Mustang and a Miata?

No.

So why compare this car to a Mustang, when it's only slightly bigger than a Miata?

They are two completely separate design philosophies. Subaru plans to sell about 1000 of these per year. They're not catering to the masses with this car, only to a specific enthusiast group.

why would someone compare a mustang to a miata or this car?
because buying used cars is usually about preference, but to many of us buying a new car is weighed heavily upon bang for the buck and they are in the same ~$ rage.

and i wouldnt say theyre terribly different designs and that subaru has to plan on selling more, if they plan on selling 1k of these their CFO deserves to be **** canned, because its not good business practices. These cars were scaled back to meet a certain $ range, theres no way they would scale back a base model production car if they didnt do studies saying x car for x amount will sell this many more units. Its the flagship cars that companies base their image on insted of sales, i wouldnt call the BRZ a flagship when you have the STI.

[Redline86]

Well this is the first release of this car. I think given time, Subaru, might release the turbo version and might up the stock power. There is already performance parts for this car and the car isn't even available for sale yet. Given time, this car will prove itself.

Also it is not true about the 1k number

[Supraru]

why would someone compare a mustang to a miata or this car?
because buying used cars is usually about preference, but to many of us buying a new car is weighed heavily upon bang for the buck and they are in the same ~$ rage.

and i wouldnt say theyre terribly different designs and that subaru has to plan on selling more, if they plan on selling 1k of these their CFO deserves to be **** canned, because its not good business practices. These cars were scaled back to meet a certain $ range, theres no way they would scale back a base model production car if they didnt do studies saying x car for x amount will sell this many more units. Its the flagship cars that companies base their image on insted of sales, i wouldnt call the BRZ a flagship when you have the STI.

Sure in the real world for people who don't know about cars. If I'm buying a car my mind was made up a long time prior. I'm not going to say to myself "well this other car is close to the price so let me compare" I'm going to say I want the BRZ and that's what I will buy.

This isn't Ford. They don't sell 100k or more mustangs a year. When the wrx first came out Subaru only allotted a certain amount and the huge demand made them produce a lot more. Pretty sure they know what they are doing not some kid on the internet.

And fyi the sti isn't Subaru's flagship, the would go to the legacy/outback.

[JB'sLGT]

why would someone compare a mustang to a miata or this car?
because buying used cars is usually about preference, but to many of us buying a new car is weighed heavily upon bang for the buck and they are in the same ~$ rage.

If you want a car that does everything marginally well, then I guess a V6 Mustang is for you. However, if you want an agile, lightweight sports car, this car will out handle anything at it's price point and beyond according to every article I've read so far. Evo said this car handles better than a Cayman. That's a very bold statement.

and i wouldnt say theyre terribly different designs and that subaru has to plan on selling more, if they plan on selling 1k of these their CFO deserves to be **** canned, because its not good business practices. These cars were scaled back to meet a certain $ range, theres no way they would scale back a base model production car if they didnt do studies saying x car for x amount will sell this many more units. Its the flagship cars that companies base their image on insted of sales, i wouldnt call the BRZ a flagship when you have the STI.

The 1k number was reported in one of the major mags. Expected sales != actual sales and numbers change all the time. =====

[Supraru]

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Good points. Here is the article you talk of.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/05/2013-subaru-brz-first-drive-review/

Can't believe they are saying it out handles a caymen. When the caymen came out wasn't it a huge deal that it beat out the 911 or something as well? Imagine that from the little guy Subaru. Maybe I'll be coming around on the whole turbo thing and hope one day for more n/a power.

[c7scayman]

Good points. Here is the article you talk of.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/05/2013-subaru-brz-first-drive-review/

Can't believe they are saying it out handles a caymen. When the caymen came out wasn't it a huge deal that it beat out the 911 or something as well? Imagine that from the little guy Subaru. Maybe I'll be coming around on the whole turbo thing and hope one day for more n/a power.

They are not saying it out handles a Cayman. They just said it is close to a Caymans cornering ability.
"True, it isn't a Cayman, but it will cost easily 20 grand less than a Cayman* and yet provides easily more than seven-tenths of the Cayman's pure cornering ability, and that's probably closer to eight-tenths, but we won't know until we get more time with the car."

[SpEcRv9]

Can't wait till someone swaps a flat 6 from a Porsche in one...

I'm slowly coming around on this car.

[c7scayman]

Can't wait till someone swaps a flat 6 from a Porsche in one...

I'm slowly coming around on this car.

Haha. I was thinking that if my car was ever totalled for some reason, I would keep the engine/trans and buy a BRZ and swap it in. But in the pictures, that 2.0L seems to take up lots of space. You think a 2.7L+ can fit in their without frame modifications?

[SpEcRv9]

I was thinking something out of the 911s should be smaller than the boxer in the BRZ or something out of the MR cayman and boxster...

I mean, I don't know **** about Porsches I was just assuming...

[Supraru]

They are not saying it out handles a Cayman. They just said it is close to a Caymans cornering ability.
"True, it isn't a Cayman, but it will cost easily 20 grand less than a Cayman* and yet provides easily more than seven-tenths of the Cayman's pure cornering ability, and that's probably closer to eight-tenths, but we won't know until we get more time with the car."

More then 7/10 of the cayman's ability is fine by me. Still great company.

[Supraru]

Haha. I was thinking that if my car was ever totalled for some reason, I would keep the engine/trans and buy a BRZ and swap it in. But in the pictures, that 2.0L seems to take up lots of space. You think a 2.7L+ can fit in their without frame modifications?

Wouldn't fit. And if you modified it you'd pretty much destroy the handling characteristics. They put the engine as low and as far back as humanly possible. That is the main reason they are saying it will never have a turbo (at least I think a traditional subaru turbo set up) and the main reason it isn't awd. It's so far back they can't do anything awd based off of their current technology.

[c7scayman]

I was thinking something out of the 911s should be smaller than the boxer in the BRZ or something out of the MR cayman and boxster...

I mean, I don't know **** about Porsches I was just assuming...

The 996 and newer 911's have 3.4 - 4.0L engines depending on trim.
The 986-987 Boxster/Cayman have 2.5L - 3.4L engines. The 2.5L was only offered in 97-99 and has same power as the BRZ's 2.0L with just a little more torque. Not worth the swap if it is a 2.5L.

Supraru is probably right. None of them would fit without major modifications that will hurt the handling of the car.

[marshallpre1]

I'd definitely wait a couple years before I buy one. Turbo/supercharged is definitely coming (well, it better be :)).

[WolfsFang]

BRZ GT300
http://www.streetfire.net/video/new-subaru-brz-gt300_2343677.htm

[Asif22]

I love a great N/A motor. This thing looks awesome but it doesn't have the power. No I'm not saying it needs 400hp but at least 250-260 would be PERFECT IMO. If I had one of these and some money I would swap a turbo subby motor in it. I'd love to see this thing with an F22c haha

The S2K for example, I'm not saying its underpowered but it could use some more power. It was awesome in 2000 but then everyone else made better stuff and Honda used the same power output. They gave it a bigger motor in 04 but kept it at the same power level with a little more tq

[Supraru]

Where the hell have you nutswingers been on this? You guys seem like you pride yourselves in busting the new hot rumor and pictures? How the F' couldn't you have come across this? It was posted 4 days ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LjYl7VfFKE&feature=player_embedded#!

BRZ GT300
http://www.streetfire.net/video/new-subaru-brz-gt300_2343677.htm

Reeeepost.

[Redline86]

Toyota said they are working on force induction system for the gt-86.

[JB'sLGT]

Most likely a small displacement supercharger. Pass.

I'd rather wait until they put a factory turbo engine in it.

Subaru confirmed yesterday they are building a turbo 2.0 FA, but they didn't say it would be for the BRZ.

[WolfsFang]

Reeeepost.

dammit my quick searching skills failed

[mcperson2k]

So when you guys are talking about FI coming... And saying they "said"... Did the manufactures actually say or are car blogs assuming? If I get a new car, I was planning on getting either the new Genesis v6 or one of these... But if they are already talking about turbo models, maybe I should just wait a little longer.. Wouldn't that hurt their sales if they were releasing this car, and advertising a future model which is better?

[JB'sLGT]

There's no actual confirmation of a turbo BRZ.

Two things are confirmed though:

(Fact) A 1.6 liter Direct Injected turbo (rumor) making 300+hp, that is supposed to find it's way into the WRX/STi offshoot of the Impreza chassis

(Fact) a 2.0 liter FA turbo motor was just confirmed yesterday (a N/A 2.0 FA is currently in the BRZ). What this will be used in is unknown.

[Redline86]

So when you guys are talking about FI coming... And saying they "said"... Did the manufactures actually say or are car blogs assuming? If I get a new car, I was planning on getting either the new Genesis v6 or one of these... But if they are already talking about turbo models, maybe I should just wait a little longer.. Wouldn't that hurt their sales if they were releasing this car, and advertising a future model which is better?

It will most likely be a TRD supercharger on the toyota cars, which is usually an option you can add.

http://auto-week.com/toyota-plans-a-gt-86-supercharged-with-over-250-hp.html

In it it said that TRD has prototypes.

[c7scayman]

Subaru Confirmed Turbocharged BRZ:
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/subaru-confirms-turbocharged-version-of-brz-engine-ar121079.html

[marshallpre1]

Subaru Confirmed Turbocharged BRZ:
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/subaru-confirms-turbocharged-version-of-brz-engine-ar121079.html

I think that's the same confirmation we had before. Subaru has confirmed a turbocharged version of the engine going in the BRZ, but not blatantly saying the car itself will be turbocharged. Safe to say that both statements are essentially synonymous lol.

[ndubz]

The FA 2.0T is going in the new gen WRX with 270hp. My guess is that the BRZ Turbo (Or BRZ STI) will receive that same motor with the same power most likely. That would keep the WRX STI as the flagship still (and it should be at around $40k), with the BRZ STI outperforming the WRX for the second place spot in the subaru performance lineup. The cars will not conflict because the BRZ and WRX are very different i what they offer.

[marshallpre1]

Another fantastic review from Car and Driver. I can't wait to drive this thing.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-scion-fr-s-first-drive-review

"When asked how the two cars differ, the Scion folks tell us the BRZ is about stability and the FR-S is about agility. The word “understeer” has surfaced in initial reports on the Subaru BRZ. The Scion doesn’t understeer. Its cornering balance is neutral—bravely neutral for a car that will be sold to young buyers. Scion claims the only changes to its chassis are slightly softer springs and stiffer dampers. "

Scion has certainly succeeded in making the FR-S agile. From the quick steering to the alert chassis, the FR-S responds to driver input in a way that reminds us of the Honda S2000.

Akio Toyoda says of the FR-S, “[It] responds to good driving skills.” If you don’t have them, you might want to get some training—or leave the stability control on. Young drivers whom Scion courts should know the FR-S is nothing like the front-drive, nearly error-proof tC. If you don’t know what you’re doing behind the wheel, the FR-S will make you look dumb.

On paper, and in the face of the ever-escalating pony-car horsepower war, the FR-S’s 200 hp might seem inadequate. It’s not. We’re guessing at a 0-to-60 time just a shade over six seconds. Clearly, this isn’t a car that should pull up to stoplights with much ambition. This is a car for playing on back roads, for track work; engaged in those pursuits, the engine feels perfectly strong and nicely matched to the chassis.

[JB'sLGT]

Meh. That just means the Subaru needs a better alignment.

[Supraholic]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6488424851_95e8fc1509_b.jpg

More pics here:
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/6875490-post1833.html

[Chris B.]

Ken Gushi drifting the Scion FR-S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTCOwX9rQJk

[marshallpre1]

The car is soo small I love it.

[jpalamar]

I like it and it is probally a blast to drive... but to me it isn't a complete car without a few more HP under the hood.

[cto424]

gosh i want the fr-s already!

[c7scayman]

I don't know if this was mentioned already, but here are little known facts about the Scion FRS.

1. It uses the same tires as the Toyota Prius.
2. The Scion has lower spring rates, but stiffer dampers than the Subaru BRZ.
3. It has LSD and the traction control can be "completely" turned off.
4. It is 197HP in other countries, but in the U.S. it is 200HP because it uses a slightly less restrictive and louder exhaust than the ones sold other markets.

My source:
http://www.insideline.com/scion/fr-s/2013/2013-scion-fr-s-10-things-you-dont-know.html

[WolfsFang]

omg omg omg i just want one now! this is going to be so easy to turbo charge.

[JB'sLGT]

omg omg omg i just want one now! this is going to be so easy to turbo charge.

I wouldn't say it will be easy. You'll most likely have to do a setup like the 2010+ LGT.

[marshallpre1]

omg omg omg i just want one now! this is going to be so easy to turbo charge.

The future models might actually come turbo/supercharged. I'd wait!

another stellar review from speedhunters!

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011/12/12/driving-impression-gt-scion-fr-s-in-sodegaura.aspx

[WolfsFang]

im going to wait to see if STi is going to release anything.

[Chris B.]

Since it uses the same rear diff as the IS300 and the guys with forced induction IS300s have had issues in the past with teeth breaking off the diff with low boost(5 ot 8 PSI) forced induction setups, I wonder if a factory or aftermarket forced induction version would require a stronger diff or if the lighter weight of the BRZ/86 would allow for the boost and less drive train stress.

[Redline86]

Since it uses the same rear diff as the IS300 and the guys with forced induction IS300s have had issues in the past with teeth breaking off the diff with low boost(5 ot 8 PSI) forced induction setups, I wonder if a factory or aftermarket forced induction version would require a stronger diff or if the lighter weight of the BRZ/86 would allow for the boost and less drive train stress.

Interesting, I have never heard of this issue. The only issue I heard of, was in the 5 speed IS300's, the trans would break teeth. SRT ran there low 8 sec IS300 on the stock rear LSD diff.

[Chris B.]

Interesting, I have never heard of this issue. The only issue I heard of, was in the 5 speed IS300's, the trans would break teeth. SRT ran there low 8 sec IS300 on the stock rear LSD diff.

When I found out the BRZ/86 use the IS300 diff and I was looking up info on available ratios, I ran across quite a large number of forum posts from people who broke the diff with forced induction IS300's running low boost and people saying that swapping in the diff from the Supra was a good upgrade.

[Zdrummer15]

I haven't kept up with this thread for awhile, but since no one posted this yet I'll leave it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftbIGxSXbTU&feature=g-u&context=G12bbcFUAAAAAAAAAA

[Supraholic]

Chris, I agree on the 300 diff issues, but where did you get the FRS has the same diff?

[Chris B.]

Chris, I agree on the 300 diff issues, but where did you get the FRS has the same diff?

A friend of mine has seen it in person. Also on autoblog they posted pictures of it. Another friend identified it as the same diff as the IS300. He got credit for identifying it on the site.

[Supraholic]

A friend of mine has seen it in person. Also on autoblog they posted pictures of it. Another friend identified it as the same diff as the IS300. He got credit for identifying it on the site.

Ah ok. I looked up the pic and they are almost identical, but on that same note, is almost the same as the LS400 diff. and is also identical to the 06+ IS250 with the exception of the diff cover. I hope that at least the beefed up the internals. I know that the engineers made sure the car could handle upgrades!

[WolfsFang]

bumping this up, does anyone know if it will have forged internals? If i get this car i might have a shop use it a a mach up. Free parts ftw :)

[Redline86]

http://www.tune86.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ft-86-ft86_m/pictures_photos/2012/01/Scion_FRS_frs_Greddy_drift_race_15.jpg
http://www.tune86.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ft-86-ft86_m/pictures_photos/2012/01/Scion_FRS_frs_Greddy_drift_race_14.jpg
http://www.tune86.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ft-86-ft86_m/pictures_photos/2012/01/Scion_FRS_frs_Greddy_drift_race_07.jpg
http://www.tune86.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ft-86-ft86_m/pictures_photos/2012/01/Scion_FRS_frs_Greddy_drift_race_06.jpg
http://www.tune86.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ft-86-ft86_m/pictures_photos/2012/01/Scion_FRS_frs_Greddy_drift_race_03.jpg
http://www.tune86.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ft-86-ft86_m/pictures_photos/2012/01/Scion_FRS_frs_Greddy_drift_race_02.jpg
http://www.tune86.com/ft-86-news/17040-scion-fr-s-race-car-debuts-detroit-auto-show-2012

Due to the limited amount of time, the GReddy Racing Scion FR-S is currently powered by a Cosworth CS600 EJ25 long block and custom GReddy turbo kit with a front-mount intercooler. The EJ25 is a race proven and reliable boxer motor that offers many of the same benefits seen in the FA20 including a low center of gravity. We are currently working on a FA20 motor for use in future race programs.

[rocknrace03]

subaru needs to do the same for the production vehicles =] ^

[cto424]

in an article or video that i came across, they spoke with the head designer or someone and he said the engine is more than capable to handle boost

i have been trolling ft86club and they have pretty much all the info on the BRZ/FRS/86 that has been released to the public

[WolfsFang]

in an article or video that i came across, they spoke with the head designer or someone and he said the engine is more than capable to handle boost

i have been trolling ft86club and they have pretty much all the info on the BRZ/FRS/86 that has been released to the public
oh this is some great news.

[Rado_VR6]

It needs boost. 200 ponies got old when I was about 17 and every other hatchback made those numbers. Looks sexy, but the lack of power is disappointing. I do love how most members here are drooling about its track ability even though only a 1/6th of us would ever take it out to a road course. Most of us race from rolls or at the strip, 200 ponies is in no way competitive at either venue.

[nuTinmuch]

It needs boost. 200 ponies got old when I was about 17 and every other hatchback made those numbers. Looks sexy, but the lack of power is disappointing. I do love how most members here are drooling about its track ability even though only a 1/6th of us would ever take it out to a road course. Most of us race from rolls or at the strip, 200 ponies is in no way competitive at either venue.

Yes, thank you for this wise advice. A light, drivers car would absolutely never sell, especially if it was slow in a straight line.

In fact, in all of history, such a car has never sold well.

I can't name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miata). A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_240SX). Single (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E30). One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Elise).

Snark aside, this is a car aiming at the 23 - 25k market, not the 30 - 35k market. If this car had a turbo, it would be upwards of 30k in today's market. Currently, that market isn't profitable. It's also crowded. 135i, 370z, Evo X, STI, Mustang GT, Camaro SS -- and I'm sure I'm forgetting something. This will eventually happen with some special package in the future, but for now, if you're really after power... look to the aftermarket. This car was never designed with power in mind. It isn't a car built for bench racers or people who like to talk about who has the faster car. It's for people who like driving.

[novec64]

mmmm TRD parts :) (http://trdparts.jp/english/2012_conceptcar/86performanceline.html)

[CleanNeon98]

It needs boost. 200 ponies got old when I was about 17 and every other hatchback made those numbers. Looks sexy, but the lack of power is disappointing. I do love how most members here are drooling about its track ability even though only a 1/6th of us would ever take it out to a road course. Most of us race from rolls or at the strip, 200 ponies is in no way competitive at either venue.
It just depends what you're into. My car makes MAYBE 170whp, and there are people who are scared getting into it for a ride. It's not all about power.

[jpalamar]

It just seems like they made 3/4 of a great car and the HP, the other 1/4, is just missing.

[mcperson2k]

It just seems like they made 3/4 of a great car and the HP, the other 1/4, is just missing.

Its so ironic seeing somebody talk about a chunk of "something" missing from a sports car when you chose a convertible over a coupe.

[CleanNeon98]

Its so ironic seeing somebody talk about a chunk of "something" missing from a sports car when you chose a convertible over a coupe.
One of the top selling sports cars of all time (if not THE best selling) was only offered as a convertible (with the exception of 400 some concept coupes in Japanland)

Flipside is it was designed that way, and if he does indeed drive a Mustang, lets just say it's not exactly a sports car platform to begin with (that year anyway)

:-p

Maybe HP is one of those things that once you have, you can't have without. I've never had very powerful cars, and even in the MX, the car will go faster in most places than I'd want to take it. Just my .02

This car is gonna be suhweet

[jpalamar]

Its so ironic seeing somebody talk about a chunk of "something" missing from a sports car when you chose a convertible over a coupe.

Your an idiot. My turd has nothing to do with the BRZ or my opinion of it.

Maybe HP is one of those things that once you have, you can't have without. I've never had very powerful cars, and even in the MX, the car will go faster in most places than I'd want to take it. Just my .02

Thats probally the case because I loved my SVT Focus when I got it stock. I loved it even more when I was pushing almost 300hp out of it. Speed is addictive. Once you have it you can't go back. I've been able to change my driving styles when going from a nimple car to the big old boats LOL. Yea, I can't hit turns like in my SVTf anymore... but no matter what car I'm in, it is always fun to learn to drive them to their and my own max potential.

[accordguy04]

I just can't picture you in a focus... Hahaha

[nuTinmuch]

Maybe HP is one of those things that once you have, you can't have without. I've never had very powerful cars, and even in the MX, the car will go faster in most places than I'd want to take it. Just my .02

I frequently ride around in a supercharged C6 Vette, and yet I'm still excited about this car!

I think your other statement is more accurate -- that some cars emphasize different things, and every driver has unique priorities. You can appreciate and love a car with low HP while still enjoying a car with infinite power on tap.

Likewise...

My turd has nothing to do with the BRZ or my opinion of it.

It does!

It's proof that a car doesn't have to max out its performance in every category to be successful. Cars are a balance of many factors. The BRZ/FRS focuses on handling and affordability over power.

[rocknrace03]

when i first read about this car, i was pretty disappointed that it wasn't going to be the 305hp ej25 that everyone loves, but the more i read and watch about this car, i can see that this is definitely now on my list of top 3 cars that i will consider in spring 2013 when i look to purchase my first new car or (used low miles) i love sharp turns and naturally banked sweepers, the car is cool, its going to have a ton of aftermarket backing, from every review I've seen its a great car all around, and its going to be ~25k, not to mention that since its not turbo/ extremely powerful, insurance is going to be way less then your sti/evo/mustang, it seems like a great buy, hoping to pick up a used low miles 13' when the 14's come out, as long as i enjoy the test drive. ps has anyone else seen the GReddy FR-S sweeeeet! http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6488424659_448efaf45f_z.jpg

[WolfsFang]

anyone know if this is coming in 2012 or 2013?

[jpalamar]

when i first read about this car, i was pretty disappointed that it wasn't going to be the 305hp ej25 that everyone loves, but the more i read and watch about this car, i can see that this is definitely now on my list of top 3 cars that i will consider in spring 2013 when i look to purchase my first new car or (used low miles) i love sharp turns and naturally banked sweepers, the car is cool, its going to have a ton of aftermarket backing, from every review I've seen its a great car all around, and its going to be ~25k, not to mention that since its not turbo/ extremely powerful, insurance is going to be way less then your sti/evo/mustang, it seems like a great buy, hoping to pick up a used low miles 13' when the 14's come out, as long as i enjoy the test drive. ps has anyone else seen the GReddy FR-S sweeeeet! http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6488424659_448efaf45f_z.jpg

My insurance on my Mustang is the same as my wife xB with identical coverages... Reason being is xB is cheap and kid oriented and my Mustang was $10k more so likely bought by older and more experienced drivers. Insurance will be a raping for thing just like every other sport compact kids can get their hands on.

I do plan on test driving one but have a feeling it just won't have enough raw power to tickle ky pickle.

[rocknrace03]

My insurance on my Mustang is the same as my wife xB with identical coverages... Reason being is xB is cheap and kid oriented and my Mustang was $10k more so likely bought by older and more experienced drivers. Insurance will be a raping for thing just low every other sport compact kids can get their hands on.

I do plan on test driving one but have a feeling it just won't have enough raw power to tickle ky pickle.

i hear ya, ill only be 20, i have a clear record, but I'm sure young kid + sports coupe + fact that its new with full coverage = more expensive then my kia lol. last i looked at an sti when i was 18 it would of been 350$+ with a 2,000 deductible lol

and the 200hp will probably get old quick, but I'm taking fabricating classes at night, so maybe ill see what i can come up with ;)

[jpalamar]

i hear ya, ill only be 20, i have a clear record, but I'm sure young kid + sports coupe + fact that its new with full coverage = more expensive then my kia lol. last i looked at an sti when i was 18 it would of been 350$+ with a 2,000 deductible lol

I remember those days. Once you turn 25 you can have 2 cars with low ded and high covereages for less then $150 a month.

[Chris B.]

My insurance on my Mustang is the same as my wife xB with identical coverages...

Every time I've gone new car shopping and compared insurance and cost of ownership for multiple cars since 1998, which has been quite a few times, the insurance cost for me on a Mustang GT was the same as the insurance on a Honda Civic for the same coverage.

[c7scayman]

Every time I've gone new car shopping and compared insurance and cost of ownership for multiple cars since 1998, which has been quite a few times, the insurance cost for me on a Mustang GT was the same as the insurance on a Honda Civic for the same coverage.

One thing I noticed when shopping for insurance when I was looking for cars to buy. 02-03 VW GTI and RSX insurance is much more expensive then the insurance of my 00 Porsche Boxster. Insurance companies are weird.

[marshallpre1]

Looks like 170 whp...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3416

In comparison, don't stock SR20DET's dyno around 160whp?

[WolfsFang]

ewwwww its open deck.

[fightinchunk]

ewwwww its open deck.

el diablo....

[tooslow]

I'm surprised nobody has set up a thread and talked about Subaru's rear wheel drive BRZ. Anyway I have been being some research and found some interesting things about this car. Looks sweet but kinda takes after the Hyundai genesis. Plus the scion is on the same platform with a body style that looks almost identical. Kinda weird. I saw one in person at a stop light in haddenfield and this cars looks sick!! Not bad I must say not bad

[WolfsFang]

http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111096

is the car out yet?

*edit*
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH it comes out this spring, if everything plans out ill be driving one soon.

[2001teg]

Iv been following this as well. Same car as the scion basically. I swore id never buy a new carbut I am in love with this

[tooslow]

I didn't think it was out yet either but this guy was driving one with normal plates on it. The interior is a million times nicer then the scion plus it's a Subaru!

[Zillon]

It's a lot smaller than a Genesis Coupe.

http://toyobaru.net/gallery/data/502/FT_IIvsGenCvsStangvsMX5.png

[mcperson2k]

I didn't think it was out yet either but this guy was driving one with normal plates on it. The interior is a million times nicer then the scion plus it's a Subaru!

You sure about that?

http://shows.autospies.com/gallery/auto-show-photos.asp?imageId=142039&galleryId=377
http://shows.autospies.com/gallery/auto-show-photos.asp?imageId=142179&galleryId=377

Subaru and Toyota partnered up to make it... The 2 cars are almost identical, and if I remember correctly, the only mechanical difference is the shocks / springs.

I am probably going to trade my lease in for one when they arrive. I think the FR-S looks a lot nicer, the bumper looks more aggressive.

[Got Insulin?]

:lol:

Except the Subie has fogs, a (twin!) cupholder in the center console, and what might be bun toasters also (switch by the ebrake).

[supracrew87mk3su]

I want the Scion version.

[WolfsFang]

It's a lot smaller than a Genesis Coupe.

http://toyobaru.net/gallery/data/502/FT_IIvsGenCvsStangvsMX5.png

holy cow the brz is tiny

[tooslow]

Wow that thing is small!! Plus interior in a Subaru compared to a scion, I'll take the Subaru.

[WolfsFang]

anyone know whats the big button and the four little under the HAVOC controls in the subaru?

[Got Insulin?]

Ejecto-seato, cuz.

[Big_Jim]

anyone know whats the big button and the four little under the HAVOC controls in the subaru?



push button start.

[Got Insulin?]

Ejecto-seato, cuz.

push button start.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Totally an ejector seat.

[Big_Jim]

push button to start the ejecto-seato process? It will only work properly if the right amount of hair gel and aqua di gio is detected?

[WolfsFang]

aside from the ejecto seat button what else could the four other buttons be? One has to be the option to turn off traction. This is for some reason really bothering me as why the subaru model only has it.

[novec64]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/409091_254776467932816_139773062766491_592704_7058 98500_n.jpg

[JB'sLGT]

http://image.motortrend.com/f/39531744+w786+ar1/2013-Subaru-BRZ-shifter.jpg

[WolfsFang]

i went to a dealer to see if i can get anymore information but nothing :<

[JB'sLGT]

information on what?

[xhrl]

he probably went to the dealer to find out the release date? price?

I'm planning on a test drive as soon as it comes out, wondering how FRS/BRZ will compare with the upcoming 13' Genesis 2.0T

[WolfsFang]

he probably went to the dealer to find out the release date? price?

I'm planning on a test drive as soon as it comes out, wondering how FRS/BRZ will compare with the upcoming 13' Genesis 2.0Tyea on price and date. They said they have no more information then what is on the subaru website.

[Supraholic]

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph01.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph02.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph03.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph04.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph05.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph06.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph07.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph08.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph09.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph10.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph11.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph12.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph13.jpg

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph14.jpg[/QUOTE]

[c7scayman]

Here is how it looks lowered with rims.

[WolfsFang]

Here is how it looks lowered with rims.

oh my god im in love

[Chris B.]

http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/img/ph14.jpg


Sweet! Steelies for snow tires!

[Khellen]

Looks like 170 whp...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3416

In comparison, don't stock SR20DET's dyno around 160whp?

Wow. That thread is hilarious. People haven't even driven the car yet and are already setting HP goals.

One of my favorite quotes:

"Open deck? I might have to rethink my strategy. I wasn't planning on having to install sleeves."

*face palm*

[c7scayman]

Test Driver almost crashes Scion FR-S into a Deer.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/test-driver-close-call-deer-video-155258122.html

[mcperson2k]

Just started a new job today and if I am still there come summer time, I am definitely picking up a FR-S (although I like the look better, it seems like the BRZ has more interior options?) or new Genesis v6. Still in the air over the 2, but I think the FR-S will be a lot more fun to drive then a Genesis for the simple fact that I am on back roads 90% of the time.

[WolfsFang]

Plus the mod support

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[Khellen]

Just started a new job today and if I am still there come summer time, I am definitely picking up a FR-S (although I like the look better, it seems like the BRZ has more interior options?) or new Genesis v6. Still in the air over the 2, but I think the FR-S will be a lot more fun to drive then a Genesis for the simple fact that I am on back roads 90% of the time.

Cost wise, the scion FR-S is going to be the cheaper of the two models. The BRZ will cost a little bit more then the FR-S but will come with a higher quality interior and amenities. If you go back a few pages in this thread someone posted up a link with the info.

[PrideNas]

Spotted by us this morning on the turnpike. Enjoy:
http://www.pride-performance.com/Spotted-Subaru-BRZ-On-The-New-Jersey-Turnpike_b_63.html

[PrideNas]

Someone feel free to post the pics here.

[Supraholic]

Very Nice Pride! Thanks for sharing!

What were your impressions on the car as you saw it on the road?

[Supraholic]

Sweet! Steelies for snow tires!

Chris, I think those are only available for the Japanese market.

[WolfsFang]

Spotted by us this morning on the turnpike. Enjoy:
http://www.pride-performance.com/Spotted-Subaru-BRZ-On-The-New-Jersey-Turnpike_b_63.html

God dammit hoe are these people getting the car that early.

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[jpalamar]

God dammit hoe are these people getting the car that early.

If you trade in your vagina(Prius) they give you a penis(FRS).

[SHOdude]

Anyone have an educated guess on how the price is gonna be? Think its gonna be more or less then the STI? and are they gonna have engine options like the wrx

[WolfsFang]

Starting at 24k from what I know

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[mcperson2k]

I doubt any version of this car will ever cost as much as a base wrx sti, even if the sti brz is released.

[Khellen]

Someone mentioned they were saying close to 20k for the FRS and 25k for the BRZ.

Someone feel free to post the pics here.

http://www.pride-performance.com/assets/images/brz-spotted-1.jpg

http://www.pride-performance.com/assets/images/brz-spotted-2.jpg

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This might have something to do with it....

Subaru of America, Inc. (commonly known as SOA), based in Cherry Hill, New Jersey.

[PrideNas]

Car looks great in person especially moving. It is actually a perfect sized 2 door coupe in my opinion. -will from pride performance.

[WolfsFang]

Looks like someone is getting a phone call tomorrow.

[Chris B.]

Chris, I think those are only available for the Japanese market.

I guess that means I'll have to overnight parts from Japan! :lol:

[WolfsFang]

I guess that means I'll have to overnight parts from Japan! :lol:

They are from the RA model of the BRZ which has not AC, radio and some other missing parts.

*edit* i got a email from SOA and they say that the brz is coming out in May (if everything goes to plan.)

[WolfsFang]

Put down a order for the BRZ, I got the limited model, Black on Black. I was the first person at that dealer so looks like ill be driving it home in may as my birthday present :).

[c7scayman]

Put down a order for the BRZ, I got the limited model, Black on Black. I was the first person at that dealer so looks like ill be driving it home in may as my birthday present :).

Congrats. So it is coming out in May?

[Supraru]

Congrats on the order. It's a gamble but I'd hate my life in a year or two when they release the turbo model.

[jpalamar]

Put down a order for the BRZ, I got the limited model, Black on Black. I was the first person at that dealer so looks like ill be driving it home in may as my birthday present :).

Congrats. You have bigger balls then me. I couldn't ever get myself to buy a first gen car right away.

[mcperson2k]

I'm kind of annoyed because subaru has all the models and features listed for the BRZ, but toyota still has nothing listed for the fr-s. I heard the BRZ has more standard features than the fr-s and that the brz base is going to start around 25k while the fr-s base will be closer to 20k

[rocknrace03]

Put down a order for the BRZ, I got the limited model, Black on Black. I was the first person at that dealer so looks like ill be driving it home in may as my birthday present :).

mind me asking what you paid or around what it cost

[mcperson2k]

mind me asking what you paid or around what it cost

I'm pretty sure he probably just put the required refundable down payment on the car. They haven't released prices yet, even for the people who have "won" an opportunity to purchase early.

[rocknrace03]

^^^ makes sense, didn't even think of that

[WolfsFang]

To order the car you just put 1k in. Depending on how many features you get depends if the money us refundable. I dint think they will come out with a turbo even when they confirmed it. It would cost to much, would have to compete with the 370z, evo, sti, and others. It would also **** over first year owners. If I wanted to put a turbo in the car I would just need to buy lower compression pistons. Plus supporting mods, I might have a shop use the car as a mock up.

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[Khellen]

It would also **** over first year owners.

If you're familiar with Subarus then you'll know that isn't something that would stop them from upgrading the car. If you want an example do some research on the early and later model GR impreza WRX's. A lot of owners got hosed if they bought the earlier models.

[WolfsFang]

This is going to my first Subaru :P

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[Supraru]

To order the car you just put 1k in. Depending on how many features you get depends if the money us refundable. I dint think they will come out with a turbo even when they confirmed it. It would cost to much, would have to compete with the 370z, evo, sti, and others. It would also **** over first year owners. If I wanted to put a turbo in the car I would just need to buy lower compression pistons. Plus supporting mods, I might have a shop use the car as a mock up.

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Whatever you have to tell yourself to buy this car. You think they cared about 08 owners when in 09 owners got a larger turbo and better handling? Do you think they cared about 01' Rs buyers when they brought over the wrx? I could go for a while on this with all makes. Bottom line they want to make money. When people buy these cars and love the potential it has they will be screaming for a turbo or supercharger. They will end up with one at some point. They aren't going to put out an Sti model that's n/a. Subaru engines just can't make n/a power.

[JSCspeed]

Food for thought:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399848_310707218978396_101458466569940_771444_8805 64743_n.jpg

[WolfsFang]

Whatever you have to tell yourself to buy this car. You think they cared about 08 owners when in 09 owners got a larger turbo and better handling? Do you think they cared about 01' Rs buyers when they brought over the wrx? I could go for a while on this with all makes. Bottom line they want to make money. When people buy these cars and love the potential it has they will be screaming for a turbo or supercharger. They will end up with one at some point. They aren't going to put out an Sti model that's n/a. Subaru engines just can't make n/a power.

What do you mean what ever I have to tell myself to get this car? Im not buying this car for its performance. Im buying it for its fun factor. Plus it wont be hard to turbo.

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[Supraru]

What do you mean what ever I have to tell myself to get this car? Im not buying this car for its performance. Im buying it for its fun factor. Plus it wont be hard to turbo.

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Seems like what you responded you're trying to come up with reasons why they won't bring out a turbo model which would be far better then this version obviously. And yes you are buying the car for performance. The more performance the car has the more fun you have whether it's a great handling car or a car with gobbs of hp.....or both. Those are the only things that makes a car "fun" A base Impreza isn't a fun car. Throw a turbo motor in it and stiffer suspension and boom it's fun.

I'd like to hear your explanation as to why you don't think it won't be hard to throw a turbo on. Might want to do some more research before you claim you can just throw one on.

[WolfsFang]

Seems like what you responded you're trying to come up with reasons why they won't bring out a turbo model which would be far better then this version obviously. And yes you are buying the car for performance. The more performance the car has the more fun you have whether it's a great handling car or a car with gobbs of hp.....or both. Those are the only things that makes a car "fun" A base Impreza isn't a fun car. Throw a turbo motor in it and stiffer suspension and boom it's fun.

I'd like to hear your explanation as to why you don't think it won't be hard to throw a turbo on. Might want to do some more research before you claim you can just throw one on.

do you relize how much the car would cost if they would strap a turbo onto it. Adding a turbo is a ****ing huge difference then adding a slightly bigger turbo to an already turbo car. The car would cost 32k+ meaning it would cost as much as an STi, and other high-end sport's cars. Plus their is barely any room in the engine bay. The only way shops have gotten a turbo onto the car is by swapping a EJ engine into it. I still stand by my judgement by saying their wont be a turbo version coming out. If it does then oh well, it's not going to make me cry in a corner.

[Supraru]

do you relize how much the car would cost if they would strap a turbo onto it. Adding a turbo is a ****ing huge difference then adding a slightly bigger turbo to an already turbo car. The car would cost 32k+ meaning it would cost as much as an STi, and other high-end sport's cars. Plus their is barely any room in the engine bay. The only way shops have gotten a turbo onto the car is by swapping a EJ engine into it. I still stand by my judgement by saying their wont be a turbo version coming out. If it does then oh well, it's not going to make me cry in a corner.

Might be a little more but did you ever thing that would drive the price of your car down? My 2.5 Rs brand new back in the day was 20k. A couple years later once the wrx established itself the price for an rs dropped to 17k.

Dude you're all over the place make up your mind. You say there won't be a turbo version and you claim that turboing your car won't be hard. Now you're saying there is no room and the only people to do it dropped in ej's. As I said you gotta learn about your car.

I've been following subaru since the late 90's. I understand how they do things. The Rs was a test bed for the wrx. The wrx was a test bed for the sti. As long as sales and the demand is there there will be a turbo'd or supercharged version of this car. Once they release the new 2.0 turbo wrx it's only a matter of time.

I'm not ragging on you for buying it. It looks like a cool fun car. I would have been pretty pissed if subaru released the wrx in 2002 as a gc model. Then my car wouldn't be anything. Same scenario would apply here. Only reason I jumped on you is because you started spouting off info that you have no clue about as fact. I at least have closely watched subaru over the years and actually work for them. I'll have more info at the end of march after I go to new model update but I know the brz will be having it's own 2 or 3 day class.

[nuTinmuch]

There won't be a turbo model for at least two years -- if ever.

This isn't a discussion. It's already been stated. They aren't going to cannibalize sales of their cars, especially not as a relatively small company.

[Supraru]

There won't be a turbo model for at least two years -- if ever.

This isn't a discussion. It's already been stated. They aren't going to cannibalize sales of their cars, especially not as a relatively small company.

Again please don't speak as if it's fact. I've seen the same press releases as well. I've also seen some where they talk about turboing the engine. Nobody knows. But I can tell you one thing is for sure it wouldn't be the first time subaru has kept people in the dark. Not only that but I don't think anyone knows how hard subaru was pushing for the brz to be turbo charged. They fought with toyota on this and finally caved. This was told to me at last years new model update and the engineer that frequents our dealer. As soon as they get a chance they will be putting one in I'm fairly confident of that.

[WolfsFang]

You also have to put into the picture that if Subaru turbo's the car then it will gear everyone towards it. Meaning that Scion and Toyota will also have to come out with a turbo model witch i dont think will happen.

[Got Insulin?]

You also have to put into the picture that if Subaru turbo's the car then it will gear everyone towards it. Meaning that Scion and Toyota will also have to come out with a turbo model witch i dont think will happen.

We understand how you feel, you've restated it multiple times; however, you are not a Subaru or a Toyota exec, so your feelings on the matter count for nil. Just because it's a joint venture does not mean that either platform has to be the same as the other.

One possibility is that Subaru will later on put out an STi version of the car with some sort of forced induction, and Toyota may just keep on putting out the N/A car and release parts as part of a TRD package much like they did with the S/C on the TC.

[mcperson2k]

I don't think we will see anything for a minimum of 2 years... Slapping a turbo on it next year would completely diminish everything they have said about the car since day 1. With that said, I know both toyota and subaru have been playing with turbos/superchargers, so I think it will definitely happen... When it does though I imagine a 30-40 HP increase, nothing ground breaking.

Didn't they even design the car with the wrx/sti swaps in mind? Why would they spend time doing that just to add forced induction to the engine a year later. Also with that said, I thought they said earlier on that the interior was cage ready? With a pre-cut dash standard. I haven't read anything about this since the car has become a real production car. Maybe they just placed the vents in a way that cutting won't be necessary? Or scrapped the idea all together... Anyone know?

[Supraru]

You also have to put into the picture that if Subaru turbo's the car then it will gear everyone towards it. Meaning that Scion and Toyota will also have to come out with a turbo model witch i dont think will happen.

As I already said Subaru really wanted to turbo this thing from the begining but Toyota cried like little babies until they said they wouldn't. Now that they are coming out without it. After that it's up for grabs. If Subaru did that sure it would force Toyota to do something power wise or just leave it how it is and not sell any.

[Rado_VR6]

It's been growing on me a bit. The ass end looks pretty good IMO.

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/WaterWagen/20120227_082910.jpg

[Khellen]

As I already said Subaru really wanted to turbo this thing from the begining but Toyota cried like little babies until they said they wouldn't. Now that they are coming out without it. After that it's up for grabs. If Subaru did that sure it would force Toyota to do something power wise or just leave it how it is and not sell any.

That's a pretty bold claim.

If the car costs 5k to 10k more with a turbo...putting it at over 30k....PLENTY of people will still buy the toyota at 20k. The original purpose of this car was supposed to be a fun, great handling, affordable RWD platform. When you start pushing the price over 30k it completely defeats the purpose of building this car.

I'm not arguing that a turbo version of this car wouldn't be cool.....it just doesn't seem to make any sense unless it's a limited production special edition. Regardless, their will still be a big demand for the NA version.

If they managed a turbo version at 25k....that'd be a whole different story.

[jpalamar]

Why so serious?

[Chris B.]

The web site is a tease. When you go to build it, the base price is about $20K with no options.

http://zx2.org/images/brz-web-site.jpg

[JB'sLGT]

I don't see that on SOA's page. The only BRZ pricing I could see is on SOJ's site.

[Chris B.]

I don't see that on SOA's page. The only BRZ pricing I could see is on SOJ's site.

Its right here (http://proj4.boxer.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/index.html)

[thefullmonty]

i built mine, a little over 21k and yes you can get options. the nice thing about the BRZ is it comes with so much standard, adding things ends up wasting money like carbon fiber plate frames and STI valve stem caps lol

[JB'sLGT]

Its right here (http://proj4.boxer.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/index.html)

Ah I see. That's their beta test site.

$17,495 is the base msrp of the Impreza. It's just a placeholder for the BRZ.

[mcperson2k]

Yeah, its not legit prices. Still cool tho.

[Chris B.]

I haven't seen anything official yet on the wheels and bolt pattern, but it looks like its using Forrester 5x100 wheels in some of the older photos. I was hoping for 5x114 so there would be a larger selection of wheels available. It looks like some lightweight wheels are available in 5x100 though.

[Chris B.]

A friend of mine works for SOA in NJ and drove the BRZ last week. He took these photos. I'm not a fan of the red. I think it would look much better in a darker metallic red than the red pictured here. The bright red doesn't show off the lines of the car well. I also think a darker metallic orange would look amazing on this car.

http://zx2.org/images/brz/BRZ%20Shifter.jpg

http://zx2.org/images/brz/BRZ%20center%20console.jpg

http://zx2.org/images/brz/BRZ%20instruments.jpg

http://zx2.org/images/brz/BRZ%20interior.jpg

http://zx2.org/images/brz/BRZ%20drivers%20front.jpg

http://zx2.org/images/brz/BRZ%20drivers%20rear.jpg

http://zx2.org/images/brz/BRZ%20front.jpg

http://zx2.org/images/brz/BRZ%20rear.jpg

[Supraru]

One thing is for sure that the wheels look like garbage. Can't wait till something other then this base version is out. They should at least have a wheel option.

[JB'sLGT]

Yep. They look like Pep Boys wheels

[GOULET]

Wheels, taillights and wing ruin the car.

[Big_Jim]

I agree the wheels are trash. I think the tail lights would look better if the chrome was blacked out.

[WolfsFang]

The wing is only for the top model

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[rocknrace03]

i like the wing, with out it from some angles i think it looks like a 370z a little bit, and yes, wheels are not so nice, if i bought one id have new wheels on it the first day i had it haha, can't wait to see good pictures of the black and spark silver, do you think that beta is anywhere remotely close when it says base price 20k when you build it?

[saxon]

so many recycled toyota parts in that interior its crazy

[mcperson2k]

Eh, Iv never really cared much about "interior" as far as looks is concerned... Personally, Iv seen people complain about interior of cars, who's interior is almost identical to that of a 100k car... For me, a good interior means that it has functional cup holders, and the door handles don't feel like they are going to break when I shut the doors... No squeaks, etc... You could put dico ball control knobs in the car, and I wouldn't care as long as they didn't wobble when I touched them.

[marshallpre1]

so many recycled toyota parts in that interior its crazy

Would you expect anything less from a mass produced, inexpensive car?

[holla@cha_boy]

i'm assuming the 3rd brake light and reverse light is what's in the middle of the bumper. looks pretty ugly to me

[Supraru]

Well my friend two bays down from me was at new model update the last two days. I asked if they said anything about the Brz coming out with a turbo. He told me from what it sounds like next year but obviously there aren't any details. I'll be there for the next two days so maybe I can try to get more out of them. They were right last year when they said that it wasn't going to be released with a turbo while all these pictures came out with a scoop on the hood and everyone was getting hard ons. lol One can only hope this happens.

[Supraru]

Well it was confirmed. Also said he already saw the turbo motor for it as well and it's going to be a bottom mounted turbo just like the new lgt's. Can't wait till next year!

[marshallpre1]

Well it was confirmed. Also said he already saw the turbo motor for it as well and it's going to be a bottom mounted turbo just like the new lgt's. Can't wait till next year!

Damn. Really? Is it gonna be a bigger motor or would it still be 2.0?

[Supraru]

2.0L. Obviously no one knows specs yet.

[mcperson2k]

Subaru confirmed a turbo charged fa20 as far back as December... As in it was already built, but they never said it was going to be used in the BRZ. When are they going to release a price... That's what I am most interested in.

[Scapegoat]

I dint think they will come out with a turbo even when they confirmed it. It would cost to much, would have to compete with the 370z, evo, sti, and others. It would also **** over first year owners. If I wanted to put a turbo in the car I would just need to buy lower compression pistons. Plus supporting mods, I might have a shop use the car as a mock up.

you really are a tard arent you?

[Supraru]

Subaru confirmed a turbo charged fa20 as far back as December... As in it was already built, but they never said it was going to be used in the BRZ. When are they going to release a price... That's what I am most interested in.

I don't think you read what I stated. I work for Subaru. I'm in the new model update class. The instructor stated that the brz will be turbo. Yes they stated the new impreza wrx will be a 2.0 turbo, the brz will also be a 2.0 turbo most likely next year. This is from someone in the know. ;)

[mcperson2k]

I don't think you read what I stated. I work for Subaru. I'm in the new model update class. The instructor stated that the brz will be turbo. Yes they stated the new impreza wrx will be a 2.0 turbo, the brz will also be a 2.0 turbo most likely next year. This is from someone in the know. ;)

So if instructors are telling their classes that the BRZ WILL be turbo, why haven't any blogs picked up on it? There isn't even a single post about it on a BRZ forum...

Not doubting you (although I am a little bit), just wondering.

[marshallpre1]

ft86club is also buzzing about the price for the FRS/BRZ, any rumors on the first two digits?

[Supraru]

So if instructors are telling their classes that the BRZ WILL be turbo, why haven't any blogs picked up on it? There isn't even a single post about it on a BRZ forum...

Not doubting you (although I am a little bit), just wondering.

Well believe it or not 95% of Subaru mechanics don't hang out on message boards or even really care about performance cars, they just fix it and ship it. Plus it's new model update, the brz is a seperate class that probably won't even start till June or July since there is so much more technology to learn. So the teacher doesn't really go into things unless asked about it. He was allowed to bring in the brz to show us so naturally that was the first question I asked. Believe me or don't believe me, doesn't affect me either way. Just putting it out there for people who'd rather wait for the superior model to come out.

[WolfsFang]

ft86club is also buzzing about the price for the FRS/BRZ, any rumors on the first two digits?

my guess frs is starting at 20k and brz at 25k. I switched my order over to the frs due to it having a slightly stiffer suspension.

[JB'sLGT]

The BRZ has firmer spring rates. The FR-S has different dampeners.

[c7scayman]

Subaru will provide U.S. Dealers with 500 BRZ's per month.
http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz/2013/2013-subaru-brz-in-short-supply.html

[WolfsFang]

Subaru will provide U.S. Dealers with 500 BRZ's per month.
http://www.insideline.com/subaru/brz/2013/2013-subaru-brz-in-short-supply.html
their only going to bring 3000 BRZ's for the first year. Every dealer will get two cars a month maybe more maybe less all depending on how many WRX/STi's were sold at that dealer.

[mcperson2k]

WolfsFang vs InsideLine

[WolfsFang]

WolfsFang vs InsideLine
no its the 2013 subaru marking campaign preview that every dealer has vs insideline. Hmmm wonder who will i trust more, something that is in my hands that i got from the dealer themselves or some blog on the internet?

*edit* this is not even news, it has been known for months. In EU their only getting a total of 570 brz's.

[Supraru]

no its the 2013 subaru marking campaign preview that every dealer has vs insideline. Hmmm wonder who will i trust more, something that is in my hands that i got from the dealer themselves or some blog on the internet?

*edit* this is not even news, it has been known for months. In EU their only getting a total of 570 brz's.

Everyone doubts me when I said the training instructor (who by the way completely dissasembles the new cars and takes the pictures for the training manuals and knows how these cars work inside out) says he's already seen the brz turbo motor. So why believe anyone?

[WolfsFang]

Everyone doubts me when I said the training instructor (who by the way completely dissasembles the new cars and takes the pictures for the training manuals and knows how these cars work inside out) says he's already seen the brz turbo motor. So why believe anyone?

tell him to take pics of the motor, until then i still dont believe this. If their was a turbo motor then it would of been on the internet by now.

Im not saying your lieing, its just me i cant really trust what someone says on the internet when they have no proof vs something i have in my hand.

[mcperson2k]

As far as an fa20 turbo model existing , Subaru already confirmed this back in Dec... http://jalopnik.com/5865228/subaru-confirms-turbocharged-brz-engine-doesnt-confirm-turbocharged-brz
As far as a BRZ turbo model coming out next year, Supraru is the only one who iv seen say this across all the forums. Again not saying your wrong, just saying that is where my doubt lays.

[Supraru]

tell him to take pics of the motor, until then i still dont believe this. If their was a turbo motor then it would of been on the internet by now.

Im not saying your lieing, its just me i cant really trust what someone says on the internet when they have no proof vs something i have in my hand.

:roll: Pretty sure the guy wouldn't have his job if he leaked pictures out like that. Also when he originally saw the prototype brz a long while ago they had to check in their cell phones. Like I said before you don't realize that most the people who work for subaru care about message boards or enthusiasts.

[Supraru]

As far as an fa20 turbo model existing , Subaru already confirmed this back in Dec... http://jalopnik.com/5865228/subaru-confirms-turbocharged-brz-engine-doesnt-confirm-turbocharged-brz
As far as a BRZ turbo model coming out next year, Supraru is the only one who iv seen say this across all the forums. Again not saying your wrong, just saying that is where my doubt lays.

Again you guys crack me up. How many people on this message board even work for subaru? One works with me and barley posts, baja rob is a salesman and doesn't go to new model training, other then that there might be a couple more?

[mcperson2k]

Again you guys crack me up. How many people on this message board even work for subaru? One works with me and barley posts, baja rob is a salesman and doesn't go to new model training, other then that there might be a couple more?

First off, you don't even work for Subaru, you work for a Subaru authorized dealership. Second, I am not strictly talking about TriStateTuners, I am talking about all the BRZ/FR-S forums. Whats cracking me up is that your actually sitting here straight faced acting as if your the only Subaru tech that visits a forum. Okay, lets put aside message boards for a second, how about word of mouth? Nothing... Knowing that a year from now, there was going to be a turbo BRZ, and having proof is something that a lot of car blogs would pay for.

To be honest, every post you make about it, I believe you less and less, just based off how naive you act about being a Subaru tech on a forum, and how defensive you get when I say that I have doubts.

Lets just drop it, and bring this thread back a year from now, just for lawls... There either will be a turbo BRZ or there wont.

[Supraru]

First off, you don't even work for Subaru, you work for a Subaru authorized dealership. Second, I am not strictly talking about TriStateTuners, I am talking about all the BRZ/FR-S forums. Whats cracking me up is that your actually sitting here straight faced acting as if your the only Subaru tech that visits a forum. Okay, lets put aside message boards for a second, how about word of mouth? Nothing... Knowing that a year from now, there was going to be a turbo BRZ, and having proof is something that a lot of car blogs would pay for.

To be honest, every post you make about it, I believe you less and less, just based off how naive you act about being a Subaru tech on a forum, and how defensive you get when I say that I have doubts.

Lets just drop it, and bring this thread back a year from now, just for lawls... There either will be a turbo BRZ or there wont.

Wow you're young and silly. Yes I work for a Subaru dealer. I guess it means nothing that I'm required to go to Subaru training. When I'm done I will be a certified Subaru mechanic and when I get some ase's I'd be a Subaru sr master tech.....not a dealer sr master tech. I also said since you clearly need assistance reading most techs don't troll the forums...as in any of them. While for some of us it's entertaining people do have better stuff to do with thier lives.

Blogs are just blogs. They just release any little rumor or release stuff that isn't even true. The be being turbo'd has been stated tons of times through them dice it's thought. I don't do thier job for them so I can't really comment on them. Hell we all know some manufacturers pay magazines for good reviews so maybe someone stumbled on it and subaru paid them off so it didn't affect this years brz's. Your guess is as good as mine, well not as good but you can guess I'm sure. I'll tell ya what since you're so against it. I'd put a decent chunk of money on it that there will be a turbo brz next year. Are you that confident? Didnt think so. You're just trying to think about how you're going to fill up your gas tank, or maybe your parents bought you a gas card.

[mcperson2k]

Wow you're young and silly. Yes I work for a Subaru dealer. I guess it means nothing that I'm required to go to Subaru training. When I'm done I will be a certified Subaru mechanic and when I get some ase's I'd be a Subaru sr master tech.....not a dealer sr master tech. I also said since you clearly need assistance reading most techs don't troll the forums...as in any of them. While for some of us it's entertaining people do have better stuff to do with thier lives.

Blogs are just blogs. They just release any little rumor or release stuff that isn't even true. The be being turbo'd has been stated tons of times through them dice it's thought. I don't do thier job for them so I can't really comment on them. Hell we all know some manufacturers pay magazines for good reviews so maybe someone stumbled on it and subaru paid them off so it didn't affect this years brz's. Your guess is as good as mine, well not as good but you can guess I'm sure. I'll tell ya what since you're so against it. I'd put a decent chunk of money on it that there will be a turbo brz next year. Are you that confident? Didnt think so. You're just trying to think about how you're going to fill up your gas tank, or maybe your parents bought you a gas card.

Where to start.... First, I didn't say you didn't know anything about Subaru's, I simply said that you don't work for Subaru, like you keep writing in your posts.

Yeah, I read it the first time when you said that Subaru tech's don't read forums, and I responded to that, so you don't really have to repeat it again. I just think its hilarious, that you keep saying it, even though you said there were already 3 people from your dealership on this forum alone, that you know about.

http://www.autodealerdirectory.us/subaru_m43m_madd.html
Go multiply the number of dealerships in the US by 3, and that is probably a super low number, of the amount of employees that actually read car forums.

So out of 1000+ people, your the ONLY one to come out and write that its been confirmed that there will be a Turbo BRZ next year. If you can't understand my doubts, than your obviously biased to your own thoughts.

And yeah, let me go ask my mommy for a gas card.... :roll: I probably finished school before you even landed your first career job of being a mechanic.

[Supraru]

Where to start.... First, I didn't say you didn't know anything about Subaru's, I simply said that you don't work for Subaru, like you keep writing in your posts.

Yeah, I read it the first time when you said that Subaru tech's don't read forums, and I responded to that, so you don't really have to repeat it again. I just think its hilarious, that you keep saying it, even though you said there were already 3 people from your dealership on this forum alone, that you know about.

http://www.autodealerdirectory.us/subaru_m43m_madd.html
Go multiply the number of dealerships in the US by 3, and that is probably a super low number, of the amount of employees that actually read car forums.

So out of 1000+ people, your the ONLY one to come out and write that its been confirmed that there will be a Turbo BRZ next year. If you can't understand my doubts, than your obviously biased to your own thoughts.

And yeah, let me go ask my mommy for a gas card.... :roll: I probably finished school before you even landed your first career job of being a mechanic.

You can try to discredit me all you like but in the end I'm far more in the know then you are. If you'd like put your money where your mouth is, or mommy or daddys money.

Second, that's not three, that's two here, Baja rob is at Becker. Again, most techs don't care enough. I know you're a big boy now and you feel you have a grasp on the real world bit this is how it is.

Lastly of those techs who may troll forums it really depends when you take a class. New model update has been running for a month and a half or so before I went. That's a lot of time and even stuff they taught my class was different then the guy next to me who went to the first class. Info is always changing.

[mcperson2k]

You can try to discredit me all you like but in the end I'm far more in the know then you are. If you'd like put your money where your mouth is, or mommy or daddys money.

When did I discredit you? Its a clear as day fact, that you aren't employed by Subaru, and I never said you were wrong, I said I have doubts that its been confirmed that there will be a turbo model next year. In fact, I said it myself that I thought there would be one, just not for a few years. Stop blowing steam out of your ears and acting like such a girl because I am not like "ZOMG THANKS FOR THE INFO SUPRARU". For gods sake, you were just giving WolfsFang a hard time because he believes everything he hears, but your having a fit that someone isn't on your **** about your BRZ knowledge.

And quite frankly, I have nothing to say about your money comments, except laugh, because you already stated what you do for a living. No idea how much you make, but I know how much you don't make.

Again, most techs don't care enough. I know you're a big boy now and you feel you have a grasp on the real world bit this is how it is.

What does this even mean??? Your so focused on sounding intelligent that you aren't even writing clearly. I don't have a grasp on the real world because you don't think mechanics frequent forums, and I do?

[Supraru]

When did I discredit you? Its a clear as day fact, that you aren't employed by Subaru, and I never said you were wrong, I said I have doubts that its been confirmed that there will be a turbo model next year. In fact, I said it myself that I thought there would be one, just not for a few years. Stop blowing steam out of your ears and acting like such a girl because I am not like "ZOMG THANKS FOR THE INFO SUPRARU". For gods sake, you were just giving WolfsFang a hard time because he believes everything he hears, but your having a fit that someone isn't on your **** about your BRZ knowledge.

And quite frankly, I have nothing to say about your money comments, except laugh, because you already stated what you do for a living. No idea how much you make, but I know how much you don't make.



What does this even mean??? Your so focused on sounding intelligent that you aren't even writing clearly. I don't have a grasp on the real world because you don't think mechanics frequent forums, and I do?

Again put some money on it. I'm very confident in my sources. You well don't know anything so bet me.

[mcperson2k]

Again put some money on it. I'm very confident in my sources. You well don't know anything so bet me.

I well don't know anything so bet you? :bigeek:

Why would I make a bet with someone over the internet who I don't even know, and why would I make a bet for anything which I am not certain about? AGAIN, I never said you were wrong, I just said I have doubts about the information you are claiming.

doubt
verb (used with object)
1.
to be uncertain about; consider questionable or unlikely; hesitate to believe.