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Old 02-06-2010, 07:53 PM   #1
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Do You Watch FOX News?

If yes, then why?
If no, then why not?

My belief is that FOX news is a commentary, not a journalistic news program.
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Old 02-06-2010, 07:54 PM   #2
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I watch it sometimes in order to expand my scope and view of the world through the eyes of their entertain...errrr, JOURNALISTS.
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Not really, but watch it on occasion to have a broad view of the news spectrum...

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Old 02-06-2010, 10:08 PM   #4
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If yes, then why?
If no, then why not?

My belief is that FOX news is a commentary, not a journalistic news program.
MSNBC, FOX, CNN, they are all entertainment channels (and in that order, starting with mostly entertainment).

I'm confused as to why you are singling out FOX?
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MSNBC, FOX, CNN, they are all entertainment channels (and in that order, starting with mostly entertainment).

I'm confused as to why you are singling out FOX?
I beg to disagree about all being entertainment. MSNBC and Fox, yes, but CNN actually does a lot of investigating and on-the-ground journalism. They also play both sides of the fence pretty well. Believe me, my home pages are all those three networks you just mentioned.(yes, you can open multiple home pages with Google Chrome)

He is probably singling out Fox because it carries Glen Beck, who is a madman who should seek therapy and clearly an entertainer first, American patriot second(if at all).
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Old 02-06-2010, 10:18 PM   #6
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Believe me, my home pages are all those three networks you just mentioned.(yes, you can open multiple home pages with Google Chrome)
I watch them myself. I can form my own opinion. They ARE all entertainment, and they ALL also have newscasts with some real journalism. So once again, in that order, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, in order of most entertainment first.

And Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow aren't entertainers first? Larry King isn't an entertainer first?

Oh, I see, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow aren't entertainers because you agree with their obviously slanted and one sided political agenda. That makes sense!

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Old 02-06-2010, 10:21 PM   #7
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I watch them myself. I can form my own opinion. They ARE all entertainment, and they ALL also have newscasts with some real journalism. So once again, in that order, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, in order of most entertainment first.

And Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow aren't entertainers first? Larry King isn't an entertainer first?

Oh, I see, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow aren't entertainers because you agree with their obviously slanted and one side political agenda. That makes sense!
How about you say "It is my opinion that they are entertainment" rather than saying "THEY ARE ENTERTAINMENT". Kinda Hitler-ish if said in the latter. No, I am not comparing you to Hitler, just the way it is said, and yes, I do realize a lot of people say things the same way, and I always correct them.

I don't watch neither of the people who you mentioned. It is kinda childish of you to assume so. I have seen several segments on the Glen Beck program where he is just going crazy. On some things I agree with him, yes. So, boo to you for assuming. I thought you were more intelligent than that. Someone like Anderson Cooper, who instead of writing about Haiti or Sudan from his comfy office and then does a segment about it, will actually go to those places and report from there on what he is experiencing and seeing on the ground. That I can appreciate and can label, in my opinion, as journalism first. I have friends that worship certain Conservative leaders of the past as literal gods, and some of them can't stand Glen Beck's style, either, and happen to gravitate to O'reilly's steady demeanor. O'reilly can get nasty sometimes, but he does so while giving the opposing side a chance to respond with equal fervor and isn't a maniac like Beck clearly is. If you deny what I say about Beck being over the top, then I can link some youtube videos(not edited) of his program and subsequent radio show as proof.
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How about you say "It is my opinion that they are entertainment" rather than saying "THEY ARE ENTERTAINMENT". Kinda Hitler-ish if said in the latter. No, I am not comparing you to Hitler, just the way it is said, and yes, I do realize a lot of people say things the same way, and I always correct them.
When you have shows like the O'Reily Factor, Olbermann, Maddow, Larry King Live, etc, they are ENTERTAINMENT. There is little to NO news/journalistic value to any of them. That's not opinion. I can however, continue to form my own opinion about them, but the listed shows are factually entertainment. Actually, just about all "news" anymore is purely for entertainment value.

Are you purposely being dense?
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How about you say "It is my opinion that they are entertainment" rather than saying "THEY ARE ENTERTAINMENT". Kinda Hitler-ish if said in the latter. No, I am not comparing you to Hitler, just the way it is said, and yes, I do realize a lot of people say things the same way, and I always correct them.

I don't watch neither of the people who you mentioned. It is kinda childish of you to assume so. I have seen several segments on the Glen Beck program where he is just going crazy. On some things I agree with him, yes. So, boo to you for assuming. I thought you were more intelligent than that. Someone like Anderson Cooper, who instead of writing about Haiti or Sudan from his comfy office and then does a segment about it, will actually go to those places and report from there on what he is experiencing and seeing on the ground. That I can appreciate and can label, in my opinion, as journalism first. I have friends that worship certain Conservative leaders of the past as literal gods, and some of them can't stand Glen Beck's style, either, and happen to gravitate to O'reilly's steady demeanor. O'reilly can get nasty sometimes, but he does so while giving the opposing side a chance to respond with equal fervor and isn't a maniac like Beck clearly is. If you deny what I say about Beck being over the top, then I can link some youtube videos(not edited) of his program and subsequent radio show as proof.
The same can be said for Olbermann and Maddow, ten fold. They are clearly delusional maniacs.

But you will continue to focus on the side that you don't agree with. If you can't accept the reality of the situation, just say so.
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When you have shows like the O'Reily Factor, Olbermann, Maddow, Larry King Live, etc, they are ENTERTAINMENT. There is little to NO news/journalistic value to any of them. That's not opinion. I can however, continue to form my own opinion about them, but the listed shows are factually entertainment. Actually, just about all "news" anymore is purely for entertainment value.

Are you purposely being dense?
Do you even know the full description of what JOURNALISM is? It is basically the conveying of NEWS, OPINIONS, and IDEAS via any sort of medium. Everytime you watch one of these shows, they are doing one of the other. Almost everytime I walk into my living room and catch Andy watching Glen Beck or turn on my tv to Fox and Beck is on he is basically like this "wugfhawurghnarugag OBAMA" or "UJwaufhawruhagug IMMIGRANTS". He is crazy first, and then conveys his opinion. Someone like O'reilly who constitutes his opinion or describes his ideas first and then has an open and very warm conversation with the other side is a journalist first, to a tee, and THEN his show happens to be entertainment to those who seek him out for such.
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Old 02-06-2010, 10:39 PM   #11
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Do you even know the full description of what JOURNALISM is? It is basically the conveying of NEWS, OPINIONS, and IDEAS via any sort of medium. Everytime you watch one of these shows, they are doing one of the other. Almost everytime I walk into my living room and catch Andy watching Glen Beck or turn on my tv to Fox and Beck is on he is basically like this "wugfhawurghnarugag OBAMA" or "UJwaufhawruhagug IMMIGRANTS". He is crazy first, and then conveys his opinion. Someone like O'reilly who constitutes his opinion or describes his ideas first and then has an open and very warm conversation with the other side is a journalist first, to a tee, and THEN his show happens to be entertainment to those who seek him out for such.

In the context of the original post, you are OT. Nice wikipedia definition copy/paste. Either way, it's not what the OP intended. Also, journalism always used to mean reporting on FACTS. That's what we were always taught in school, and what the dictionary used to describe it as (for example, merriam webster, "writing characterized by a direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation").

They are ENTERTAINERS (ENTERTAINMENT NEWS), or should I say, COMMENTATORS, or just simply reporters, NOT JOURNALISTS.

BTW, I watch Beck and O'Reily about as much as Olbermann and Maddow. Flipping through the channels to catch a glimpse for a minute or two, maybe once a week.

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When you have shows like the O'Reily Factor, Olbermann, Maddow, Larry King Live, etc, they are ENTERTAINMENT. There is little to NO news/journalistic value to any of them. That's not opinion. I can however, continue to form my own opinion about them, but the listed shows are factually entertainment. Actually, just about all "news" anymore is purely for entertainment value.

Are you purposely being dense?
just wanted to point out that larry king is more of an interviewer and is really good at asking questions about both sides of the topic. he never gives his own opinion on commentary.

the problem i have with fox is that they promote themselves as being very "fair and balanced", while 90% of their programing is one sided opinion based programing.
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I'm picking on FOX because it seems like they, more than any other mainstream broadcast, are outright biased. I agree that Olbermann is an entertainer reporter, but he and the other ones you mentioned don't vehemently yell and scream at those with opposing ideas.

But my OP is geared towards more than the crazy O'Reilly and Beck. FOX news claims to be "fair and balanced" and they say "we report, you decide". These claims are deceiving.

Before I began researching I could just tell that FOX was biased and crazy from watching it. Our local FOX station comes off as unprofessional compared to the others stations (to me). But beyond that O'Reilly was the first indicator that something is wrong with this. So once I began researching I found more and more evidence that FOX is the most biased, deceiving mainstream network news broadcast. From little things like getting unattractive, low profile left wing guests in their debates to make it a clear cut message of who won the debate, to snarky remarks made by the reporters.

I've read some articles and then I watched the documentary regarding FOX news. There were ex-news anchors who exposed the daily agenda given from the top. An example of the agenda was if there was some Democratic rally going on the goal was to either not cover it and focus on something else or undermine it. And the ex-anchor said that the workers were patted on the back for making remarks that criticized the left wing. These kinds of practices are simply unhealthy for the American public.

But overall all of the mainstream news stations are failing America. NBC, ABC, FOX, CNN... The duty of a journalist is to be the vigilant eye and expose dangers. Everything today revolves around one thing--money, and it's literally killing us.

I'm not a Democrat for the record. Nor am I a Republican. Nor am I a NWO believer.
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i not going to get into a argument/debate with any of you. but this is my take on this.......

its not real.......its about feeding your fears with more fear.

funny how h1n1 "swine flu" only pops up when there is nothing else in the news. hmmmm

what, it took a break while michael jackson died or when obama is trying to pass some stupid bill.

honestly american journalism is a joke. im gonna stick to telemundo and the bbc...

if i want a middle age white guy screaming at me, out of top of his lungs. about some retard that cant decide which way is up. i'll go stand over kesington and allegheny. other than that skinemax is all the tv im watching.

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scare tactic sensationalized news gets more views. More views=more money.

Subscribing to one political party=more money.

Basically selling out=more money.

What does everyone want today? More money.

I don't know what you mean by "it's not real" though. And I don't know why you write like this

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I don't know what you mean by "it's not real" though. And I don't know why you write like this

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not real due to the one sided view.....

and i write in lines because im watching porn while eating a ham and sandwich...
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Dude you didn't see the things on the internet that shows how Fox news photoshop Jewish politicians with bigger noses, and sometimes when a Republican politician does something wrong, they "mistakenly" label him as a Democrat? lemme see if I can find it.















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scare tactic sensationalized news gets more views. More views=more money.

Subscribing to one political party=more money.

Basically selling out=more money.

What does everyone want today? More money.

I don't know what you mean by "it's not real" though. And I don't know why you write like this

in lines.

I couldn't agree with this anymore!!! FOX has filled so many American heads with such BS with "freedom to lie" also know as (freedom of speech) It's sickening. For crying out loud John Stewart and Colbert (a conservative) are more fair and balanced then FOX. FOX will do/say ANYTHING no matter how unethical to smear the democratic name. They been proven to lie and twist truth but for some reason it goes unseen or cared about. Unfortunately they continue to create mis-informed monsters around this Country with their "entertainment".

http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/network...s/foxnews.html

EVERYONE STOP WATCHING FOX AND GIVING THEM RATINGS! THEY are bringing this Country down, not the guy who wants affordable healthcare for millions.
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I personally don't watch FOX because they are biased and are more towards the conservative side
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NPR is where its at...

fox != news at all, sorry do some fact checking its just a media wing of the super-conservative right wing. I think Jon Stewart put it best in the o'reilly interview--fnc made the right wing radio talk shows mainstream, with nut jobs like glen beck and the rest of the paranoid gang. That interview was great, he completely outlined the fnc gameplan and o'reilly had no leg to stand on other than try to switch topics. I'm really surprised fox put out the whole interview, they probably assume the majority of their viewers don't care enough to go online to actually check on the reality vs the edited 'commentary' they get on tv.
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