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Keeper1343 · 09-16-2009, 05:53 PM

anyone here ever build one of these motors. ive read some of the stuff on honda tech and its just too long. Can someone give me an idea of how hard the swap is to do

josh_schul · 09-21-2009, 02:11 PM

not that hard... i mean... not easy... but if you know your way around an engine you can do it...

h22/h23 head
f22/f23 block...

mate head to block and plug 2 oil drain holes in the h22/h23 head...

switch f23 water pump gear to h22 water pump ... and re route the external water pipe ...

very little to no machining is needed to get this to run...

again this is VERY ... VERY Basic idea to the swap... and if you arent willing to read through someones detailed thread with vital information that has had sucess doing this... i wouldnt bother to even think about doing it yourself.

SovXietday · 09-22-2009, 07:00 PM

G23??

josh_schul · 09-24-2009, 10:40 PM

its a hybrid motor build...

it is a H22/23 head ... mated to a f22/23 block

i am building one.

right now i have the head and block... just need the gasket rebuilds...and trying to get some na cams k20 86mm high comp pistons etc ...i have sk2 turbos in the head seeing how i was originally boosting... but decided i want a bad n/a build... i have a set of bisi cams and sk2 valvetrain setup...just need my cams gone for a little cash hahah

here is one on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8H59...eature=related

the offers more torque than that of the h22...

Keeper1343 · 09-26-2009, 08:48 PM

how much would i be looking to put out all together for a decent f23 bottom end all put together?

dudewheresmycar · 10-26-2009, 09:13 AM

you mean how much power??ive seen a guy in import tuner with a ef making 260 to the whhels

K20EF9 · 10-27-2009, 05:46 AM

If you saw this in that dumbass magazine that clearly made **** up.

Here was there parts list with prices.

The Bare Bones G23
Parts You'll Need To Build One On The Cheap
200+ WHP

F23A COMPLETE SHORT BLOCK (USED) BLOCK, RODS, CRANK,
OIL PAN, OIL AND WATER PUMP, CRANK TIMING COG AND PULLEY,
EXTERNAL WATER LINES, SENSORS, ETC. $200 Yea $200 except good luck finding that for $200 and it's smart to use a new oil pump and water pump from honda which is automatically like another $200.

H22A COMPLETE HEAD (USED)ASSEMBLED HEAD AND VALVE COVER,
INTAKE MANIFOLD AND THROTTLE BODY, DISTRIBUTOR,
FUEL RAIL AND LINES, SENSORS, HEADER, ETC. $300 Again good luck finding a complete h22 head with no problems for $300

H22A CRANKSHAFT TIMING COG (USED) $25

H22A TIMING BELT (NEW) $50 Timing Belts are $70 from Honda

H22A HEAD STUDS (NEW) $50ARP Headstuds are like $120

H22A HEAD GASKET (NEW) $50Head gaskets are more than that from Honda

K20A OEM PISTONS, JDM OR USDM TYPE-S (USED) $100 You can get brand new Type S pistons from HMO for $200

H22A P13 ECU (USED) $75 Hmm wouldn't it be smarter to get a chipped ecu with a basemap to your setup then have the car dynotuned. $50 to chip an Ecu and at least $300 for a tune

B-SERIES TRANSMISSION OF CHOICE (USED) $300 A good B series Trans usually goes for about $500

STAINLESS STEEL BOLTS FOR OIL DRAIN BLOCKING (NEW) $1

B-SERIES CLUTCH AND FLYWHEEL (USED) $100 I'd recommend a new clutch which will set you back around $300

H22 WATER PUMP (USED) $10 Already covered above get a new one

K20 PISTON RINGS, ACL F23 BEARINGS, OE H22A GASKET SET (NEW) $200

DA INTEGRA AXLES (USED) $50

FABRICATION (MOUNTS, LINKAGE, INTAKE, EXHAUST) $300 Biggest joke of all you need the h2b conversion setup with mounts which is like $1500 alone not including intake, exhaust, or a header.

TOTAL $1,811 Yea I guess that total will work if you do a half ass build that won't last long, and if you build it right it will cost the same as a K series if not more.

K20EF9 · 10-27-2009, 05:53 AM

Now they claim you can build it for cheaper as well.

BARE BONES G23 VTEC (PREVIOUS TABLE) $1,811 From my previous post I obviously disagree with this price

SIX SIGMA RACING HEADER (NEW) $800

CAMS AND CAM GEARS (USED) $500

SUPER TECH DUAL VALVE SPRINGS AND TITANIUM RETAINERS (NEW) $315

QSD H2B ADAPTER KIT (NEW) $750

KAIZENSPEED BALANCE SHAFT REMOVAL KIT (NEW) $150

ACT PROLITE FLYWHEEL (NEW) $260

CLUTCHMASTERS FX500 CLUTCH (NEW) $310

TWM INDIVIDUAL THROTTLE BODIES (NEW) $1,500

CROME TUNING $300

TOTAL $6,696

I don't really disagree with anything form here. I know someone locally who built one of these on a budget and spent like $4000 still on a budget build without fancy things like ITB's and an $800 Header, etc...

Now a days you can do a K swap for around $6000.

You can even do a budget built B cheaper than both.

redef90 · 11-03-2009, 11:38 AM

well im doin this build and i would sure as hell tell u those numbers arent correct

BigWhiteTodd · 11-03-2009, 01:20 PM

haha h2b for 1800 yeah ok even if it was stolen it would be more money.

redef90 · 11-09-2009, 12:04 PM

^^^^ yea the kit it self is bout a g new or used lmao or u can just custom mae your own

K20EF9 · 11-12-2009, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redef90

well im doin this build and i would sure as hell tell u those numbers arent correct

Well don't be mad when you cheap on parts and your setup doesn't last, or you build this setup right end up spending more than a stock internal k swap with bolt ons and k pro would cost and you make less power.

josh_schul · 11-12-2009, 06:56 PM

i can tell you that i picked up a f22 for 200 and a h22 head for 350 w/ skunk2 stage 1 turbo cams... so id say its close... just have to be patient.

and yes... they both are in good condition.

09-16-2009, 05:53 PM	#1
Keeper1343 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Member #5714 My Ride: 99 Honda Prelude... get some. iTrader: (0)	G23 build anyone here ever build one of these motors. ive read some of the stuff on honda tech and its just too long. Can someone give me an idea of how hard the swap is to do __________________ Cleanneon (4:51:38 PM): guys find a vag, start bangin it, forget their friends Cleanneon (4:52:00 PM): 2 months (usually less) later the vag finds another douchebag, and your friends want nothing to do with you Keeper1343 (4:52:07 PM): lol Cleanneon (4:52:07 PM): on top of which it hurts you to pee

09-21-2009, 02:11 PM	#2
josh_schul Tri-State Training Wheels Join Date: Jul 2009 Member #14301 My Ride: 1997 Honda Prelude iTrader: (0)	not that hard... i mean... not easy... but if you know your way around an engine you can do it... h22/h23 head f22/f23 block... mate head to block and plug 2 oil drain holes in the h22/h23 head... switch f23 water pump gear to h22 water pump ... and re route the external water pipe ... very little to no machining is needed to get this to run... again this is VERY ... VERY Basic idea to the swap... and if you arent willing to read through someones detailed thread with vital information that has had sucess doing this... i wouldnt bother to even think about doing it yourself. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

09-24-2009, 10:40 PM	#4
josh_schul Tri-State Training Wheels Join Date: Jul 2009 Member #14301 My Ride: 1997 Honda Prelude iTrader: (0)	its a hybrid motor build... it is a H22/23 head ... mated to a f22/23 block i am building one. right now i have the head and block... just need the gasket rebuilds...and trying to get some na cams k20 86mm high comp pistons etc ...i have sk2 turbos in the head seeing how i was originally boosting... but decided i want a bad n/a build... i have a set of bisi cams and sk2 valvetrain setup...just need my cams gone for a little cash hahah here is one on youtube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8H59...eature=related the offers more torque than that of the h22... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

09-26-2009, 08:48 PM	#5
Keeper1343 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Member #5714 My Ride: 99 Honda Prelude... get some. iTrader: (0)	how much would i be looking to put out all together for a decent f23 bottom end all put together? __________________ Cleanneon (4:51:38 PM): guys find a vag, start bangin it, forget their friends Cleanneon (4:52:00 PM): 2 months (usually less) later the vag finds another douchebag, and your friends want nothing to do with you Keeper1343 (4:52:07 PM): lol Cleanneon (4:52:07 PM): on top of which it hurts you to pee

10-26-2009, 09:13 AM	#6
dudewheresmycar Tri-State Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Maplewood,NJ Member #10168 iTrader: (0)	you mean how much power??ive seen a guy in import tuner with a ef making 260 to the whhels __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

10-27-2009, 05:46 AM	#7
K20EF9 Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Pa Member #5554 My Ride: 1990 Honda Civic Si iTrader: (2)	If you saw this in that dumbass magazine that clearly made **** up. Here was there parts list with prices. The Bare Bones G23 Parts You'll Need To Build One On The Cheap 200+ WHP F23A COMPLETE SHORT BLOCK (USED) BLOCK, RODS, CRANK, OIL PAN, OIL AND WATER PUMP, CRANK TIMING COG AND PULLEY, EXTERNAL WATER LINES, SENSORS, ETC. $200 Yea $200 except good luck finding that for $200 and it's smart to use a new oil pump and water pump from honda which is automatically like another $200. H22A COMPLETE HEAD (USED)ASSEMBLED HEAD AND VALVE COVER, INTAKE MANIFOLD AND THROTTLE BODY, DISTRIBUTOR, FUEL RAIL AND LINES, SENSORS, HEADER, ETC. $300 Again good luck finding a complete h22 head with no problems for $300 H22A CRANKSHAFT TIMING COG (USED) $25 H22A TIMING BELT (NEW) $50 Timing Belts are $70 from Honda H22A HEAD STUDS (NEW) $50ARP Headstuds are like $120 H22A HEAD GASKET (NEW) $50Head gaskets are more than that from Honda K20A OEM PISTONS, JDM OR USDM TYPE-S (USED) $100 You can get brand new Type S pistons from HMO for $200 H22A P13 ECU (USED) $75 Hmm wouldn't it be smarter to get a chipped ecu with a basemap to your setup then have the car dynotuned. $50 to chip an Ecu and at least $300 for a tune B-SERIES TRANSMISSION OF CHOICE (USED) $300 A good B series Trans usually goes for about $500 STAINLESS STEEL BOLTS FOR OIL DRAIN BLOCKING (NEW) $1 B-SERIES CLUTCH AND FLYWHEEL (USED) $100 I'd recommend a new clutch which will set you back around $300 H22 WATER PUMP (USED) $10 Already covered above get a new one K20 PISTON RINGS, ACL F23 BEARINGS, OE H22A GASKET SET (NEW) $200 DA INTEGRA AXLES (USED) $50 FABRICATION (MOUNTS, LINKAGE, INTAKE, EXHAUST) $300 Biggest joke of all you need the h2b conversion setup with mounts which is like $1500 alone not including intake, exhaust, or a header. TOTAL $1,811 Yea I guess that total will work if you do a half ass build that won't last long, and if you build it right it will cost the same as a K series if not more. __________________ YCU Dyno Tuning Specialist

10-27-2009, 05:53 AM	#8
K20EF9 Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Pa Member #5554 My Ride: 1990 Honda Civic Si iTrader: (2)	Now they claim you can build it for cheaper as well. BARE BONES G23 VTEC (PREVIOUS TABLE) $1,811 From my previous post I obviously disagree with this price SIX SIGMA RACING HEADER (NEW) $800 CAMS AND CAM GEARS (USED) $500 SUPER TECH DUAL VALVE SPRINGS AND TITANIUM RETAINERS (NEW) $315 QSD H2B ADAPTER KIT (NEW) $750 KAIZENSPEED BALANCE SHAFT REMOVAL KIT (NEW) $150 ACT PROLITE FLYWHEEL (NEW) $260 CLUTCHMASTERS FX500 CLUTCH (NEW) $310 TWM INDIVIDUAL THROTTLE BODIES (NEW) $1,500 CROME TUNING $300 TOTAL $6,696 I don't really disagree with anything form here. I know someone locally who built one of these on a budget and spent like $4000 still on a budget build without fancy things like ITB's and an $800 Header, etc... Now a days you can do a K swap for around $6000. You can even do a budget built B cheaper than both. __________________ YCU Dyno Tuning Specialist

11-03-2009, 11:38 AM	#9
redef90 Noob-Jersey Join Date: Nov 2009 Member #15037 My Ride: ef iTrader: (0)	well im doin this build and i would sure as hell tell u those numbers arent correct

11-03-2009, 01:20 PM	#10
BigWhiteTodd Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Wales Member #8795 My Ride: 01 camaro iTrader: (0)	haha h2b for 1800 yeah ok even if it was stolen it would be more money.

11-09-2009, 12:04 PM	#11
redef90 Noob-Jersey Join Date: Nov 2009 Member #15037 My Ride: ef iTrader: (0)	^^^^ yea the kit it self is bout a g new or used lmao or u can just custom mae your own

11-12-2009, 06:56 PM	#13
josh_schul Tri-State Training Wheels Join Date: Jul 2009 Member #14301 My Ride: 1997 Honda Prelude iTrader: (0)	i can tell you that i picked up a f22 for 200 and a h22 head for 350 w/ skunk2 stage 1 turbo cams... so id say its close... just have to be patient. and yes... they both are in good condition. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

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