Been watching to many conspiracy videos maybe

[turboman808]

Hi guys this is a bit weird but it could just be luck or something but I find it a bit weird.


1.5 years ago I had to pick up a friend after they got pulled over at a DWI check point on Halloween. I am always on the defensive around cops because I just don't trust them. I also try to stay informed on the law and where cops are violating my rights.

So anyways I pull into this check point and get out and start walking towards the nearest officers. Cops turns to me puts a light in my face and gets ready to pull his gun. Comes at me yelling and telling me to get into my car. I start to introduce myself and say what I am there for.

I refused to get into my car because I know they have not right to ask for my license and I can refuse to show it unless I am in a car. So I stood my ground.

It turned into a pretty big ordeal. The police chief came down and I started listing all the rights they are violating and how this one cop personally tried to intimidate me. Also mentioned I am a member of the NJ ACLU and will have this in the press if they try and intimidate me further.

Now wether you guys think I was right or not is not the point of the story.



It's what has happened since then...

I get pulled over all the time and every since this incident the cops take my license and registration and come back to my car almost angry but give me my information and let me go. 2 times for speeding, once for doing donuts and again this weekend for running a stop sign(I really didn't see it).

It's the oddest thing. It really makes me wonder if they have me flagged or something. Or I just watch to many conspiracy movies.

[gtsiawd96]

Yah, god damn those cops for trying to get some drunk drivers off the road and not kill innocent people.

And now you get pulled over for breaking the law, hopefully next time they give you one.

[turboman808]

Originally Posted by gtsiawd96

Yah, god damn those cops for trying to get some drunk drivers off the road and not kill innocent people.

And now you get pulled over for breaking the law, hopefully next time they give you one.

Yeah I sure hope so. They didn't get any drunk drivers though. Only people who forgot to renew their inspection stickers and registration. So good for them.

You can only break the law if there is a victim. Whose rights did I violate by going 10mph over the speed limit? Where is the victim? No victim no law was broken.

You should go on a road rally though. Get to know the people, find out just how many are cops breaking the law going triple digits on open roads. Same guys who give you a ticket and and yell at you for going 10mph over.

[phate1229]

Originally Posted by gtsiawd96

Yah, god damn those cops for trying to get some drunk drivers off the road and not kill innocent people.

And now you get pulled over for breaking the law, hopefully next time they give you one.

wow way to put a negative tone on the thread right away, that wasn't what he was talking about at all

[gtsiawd96]

I understand cops break the same laws they enforce. Its going to happen, your not going to stop it. And not every police officer does.

But just getting out of the car at a police checkpoint and approaching the closest officer is a good way to either eating dirt or getting a hole in your face. Especially if you were anywhere near the Newark area. I would at least attempt to show the police officers a little respect first, and if they are just being complete jerkoffs from the get go. I don't disagree with being difficult back.

[turboman808]

Originally Posted by gtsiawd96

and if they are just being complete jerkoffs from the get go. I don't disagree with being difficult back.

I believe that's exactly what I said.

I wasn't being difficult at all. I just didn't let him violate my rights. He knew this and it just pissed him off further. I guess somehow a guy in a suit and tie getting out of a car 50 feet away and waking towards about 30 cops and saying hello is threatening.

But yeah already the topic is off track and we got the track fag talking down to the lowly street racers. So let it die. I thought it was funny but this guy has to be a douche from the get go.

[CANNIBALOFDOOM]

a police officer cna ask for your id anywhere and you have to show it. they can arrest you until you can prove your i.d I know this is a law and can be enforced.
Also , i;m kinda on youtr side i have met plenty of cops that are super cool but certain ones mostly from the same areas give police a bad name.

[gtsiawd96]

Originally Posted by turboman808

I believe that's exactly what I said.

I wasn't being difficult at all. I just didn't let him violate my rights. He knew this and it just pissed him off further. I guess somehow a guy in a suit and tie getting out of a car 50 feet away and waking towards about 30 cops and saying hello is threatening.

But yeah already the topic is off track and we got the track fag talking down to the lowly street racers. So let it die. I thought it was funny but this guy has to be a douche from the get go.

LOL, Yes, because a guy in a three piece suit can't possibly be a threat. Also, you apparently cannot afford 13 dollars to beat the **** out of your car in a safe place, in the hopes that you won't kill someone. Good call. Say, Hi to Spilner for me..

[bastid]

Originally Posted by CANNIBALOFDOOM

a police officer cna ask for your id anywhere and you have to show it. they can arrest you until you can prove your i.d I know this is a law and can be enforced.
Also , i;m kinda on youtr side i have met plenty of cops that are super cool but certain ones mostly from the same areas give police a bad name.

Unless this changed very recently, this is false (in PA and NJ, not in DE). A police officer can't ask you anything pertaining to your identity without reasonable articulable suspicion or probable cause that you are committing a crime or partaking in criminal activity.

If you are walking down the street and you are asked to identify yourself for no reason, you can legally (and politely) refuse.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by bastid

Unless this changed very recently, this is false (in PA and NJ, not in DE). A police officer can't ask you anything pertaining to your identity without reasonable articulable suspicion or probable cause that you are committing a crime or partaking in criminal activity.

If you are walking down the street and you are asked to identify yourself for no reason, you can legally (and politely) refuse.

i'm fairly certain walking towards a bunch of cops at night is grounds for reasonable suspicion. And it sounds like this guy expects to fight (verbally) cops whenever he deals with them. That does show in your body language.

Gotta remember, there are people out there that will walk up to a cop and shoot one because they're an officer... i'm pretty sure just having that job demands some sort of civility towards them from the start of the interaction.

Now, I do not agree with cops breaking the law. I see cops rolling through stop signs all the time around here... yet i get pulled over for a philly stop and they have the audacity of telling me they're giving me a break by giving me a no points ticket.

10 over is plenty to be pulled over for, the LAW is the speed limit... if you're over it (by a certain given amount) you are breaking the law... victim or no victim.

[bastid]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

i'm fairly certain walking towards a bunch of cops at night is grounds for reasonable suspicion. And it sounds like this guy expects to fight (verbally) cops whenever he deals with them. That does show in your body language.

Gotta remember, there are people out there that will walk up to a cop and shoot one because they're an officer... i'm pretty sure just having that job demands some sort of civility towards them from the start of the interaction.

Now, I do not agree with cops breaking the law. I see cops rolling through stop signs all the time around here... yet i get pulled over for a philly stop and they have the audacity of telling me they're giving me a break by giving me a no points ticket.

10 over is plenty to be pulled over for, the LAW is the speed limit... if you're over it (by a certain given amount) you are breaking the law... victim or no victim.

I don't disagree with you. In my opinion, I think the actions of the OP were unwarranted - no doubt. But getting out of your car and walking toward a group of police officers does not constitute a crime in progress. Now, if he starts a verbal altercation (which it sounds like he did), then we start treading into "let's see some ID" water. Until then, he could have asked for directions.

[cyron]

How did you not have to stop at the check point, and how did you not have to tell them why you were there?
I've been through plenty on 322, you can't get around them, and they grill you on where you are, where you're going and when you get there...

[TNTramair]

personally i think you just need to lighten up a little bit and realize that cops are people too and just like you, they have a job to do. you're gonna have good ones and you're gonna have bad ones. if there's one thing i know all cops hate is having to deal with someone like you....that "think" they know the law and therefore give the cops a hard time for trying to do their job. if you're not doin anything wrong and a cop asks you to identify yourself (wether they have the right to ask or not is irrelevant) there's no reason not to tell him who you are. co-operation in any situation dealing with law enforcement will make things go alot smoother. furthermore, threatning an officer(s) with press BS is nonsense b/c at some point in time when something happens and you call upon them for something, they wont forget who you are. out of all my run ins with the law....its no secret that when you're polite and honest with an officer it benefits you greater in the end....just my opinion.

[96Stang]

Im sure they are profiling you and your car............

No way they should be pulling you over for speeding, doing donuts and running stop signs...because they arent breaking the law, because no one was hurt, right?

By the way...re-read what you write before you post it. It may save you from completely fighting against your own point.

[bastid]

Originally Posted by cyron

How did you not have to stop at the check point, and how did you not have to tell them why you were there?
I've been through plenty on 322, you can't get around them, and they grill you on where you are, where you're going and when you get there...

Turn around. By stopping at a checkpoint, you are in a way surrendering your 4th and 5th amendment rights by acknowledging your willingness to participate in a search and potentially incriminating yourself.

As a disclaimer to the rest of my post, I've never had a run-in with the law in any way, shape, or form (outside of infrequent traffic stops every few years). During which, I've been cooperative, polite, and not in the least bit resistant. I've never had a police officer just walk up and ask me to identify myself or ask me questions without basis, and I would be most of us never have. However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

Originally Posted by TNTramair

personally i think you just need to lighten up a little bit and realize that cops are people too and just like you, they have a job to do.

Agree.

Originally Posted by TNTramair

you're gonna have good ones and you're gonna have bad ones.

Agree.

Originally Posted by TNTramair

if there's one thing i know all cops hate is having to deal with someone like you....

This may not be the case with the OP, but if a police officer hates someone who is minding their own business because they refuse to identify themselves or answer baseless questions because they've done nothing wrong, then I'd argue they are "one of the bad ones." Now, if the police officer can tell me why I'm being questioned, I have no problem with cooperating, and I do so in a very polite manner.

Originally Posted by TNTramair

that "think" they know the law and therefore give the cops a hard time for trying to do their job.

It's called the Constitution, and I would suggest you learn it if you honestly believe there is truth in this statement. You have a right to feel secure in your person from illegal search and seizure and also not to incriminate yourself. Smarter people than us have already determined this in case law.

Originally Posted by TNTramair

if you're not doin anything wrong and a cop asks you to identify yourself (wether they have the right to ask or not is irrelevant) there's no reason not to tell him who you are.

You have it backwards. There is no reason for a police officer to ask you to identify yourself if you aren't doing anything wrong.


Terry v. Ohio, 392U.S. 1, 88 S. Ct. 1868, 21 L. Ed. 889 (1968)

Originally Posted by TNTramair

co-operation in any situation dealing with law enforcement will make things go alot smoother.

If you are caught committing a crime or have information that would lead to the solving of one, Agree.

Originally Posted by TNTramair

furthermore, threatning an officer(s) with press BS is nonsense b/c at some point in time when something happens and you call upon them for something, they wont forget who you are.

Strong Agree.

Originally Posted by TNTramair

out of all my run ins with the law....its no secret that when you're polite and honest with an officer it benefits you greater in the end....just my opinion.

Agree.

[TNTramair]

Originally Posted by bastid

Turn around. By stopping at a checkpoint, you are in a way surrendering your 4th and 5th amendment rights by acknowledging your willingness to participate in a search and potentially incriminating yourself.

As a disclaimer to the rest of my post, I've never had a run-in with the law in any way, shape, or form (outside of infrequent traffic stops every few years). During which, I've been cooperative, polite, and not in the least bit resistant. I've never had a police officer just walk up and ask me to identify myself or ask me questions without basis, and I would be most of us never have. However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.



Agree.



Agree.



This may not be the case with the OP, but if a police officer hates someone who is minding their own business because they refuse to identify themselves or answer baseless questions because they've done nothing wrong, then I'd argue they are "one of the bad ones." Now, if the police officer can tell me why I'm being questioned, I have no problem with cooperating, and I do so in a very polite manner.



It's called the Constitution, and I would suggest you learn it if you honestly believe there is truth in this statement. You have a right to feel secure in your person from illegal search and seizure and also not to incriminate yourself. Smarter people than us have already determined this in case law.



You have it backwards. There is no reason for a police officer to ask you to identify yourself if you aren't doing anything wrong.


Terry v. Ohio, 392U.S. 1, 88 S. Ct. 1868, 21 L. Ed. 889 (1968)



If you are caught committing a crime or have information that would lead to the solving of one, Agree.



Strong Agree.



Agree.

ok...very well put but......

there's allways a reason for them to ask. what if they are lookin for a criminal in the area?? if you were the victim of that crime, i think you'd want that person caught wouldnt you? obviously thats not something that you'll run into every day but i have no reason to lie to the police or give them a hard time. they ask...ill tell. now if you're a shady ****er and you have every reason in the world not to tell them your name, i understand the reasoning. but by doin that, you're giving them more reasons to pick on you for not cooperating. its kind of a catch 22. i dunno...maybe i just perceive things a little differantly than others i guess.

[bastid]

Originally Posted by TNTramair

ok...very well put but......

there's allways a reason for them to ask. what if they are lookin for a criminal in the area?? if you were the victim of that crime, i think you'd want that person caught wouldnt you? obviously thats not something that you'll run into every day but i have no reason to lie to the police or give them a hard time. they ask...ill tell. now if you're a shady ****er and you have every reason in the world not to tell them your name, i understand the reasoning. but by doin that, you're giving them more reasons to pick on you for not cooperating. its kind of a catch 22. i dunno...maybe i just perceive things a little differantly than others i guess.

I agree with you. The likelihood of a police officer questioning you without reasonable suspicion or probable cause is pretty small, but it does happen. I would just suggest you ask a few questions yourself before answering anything. You can still be polite...

For example: "Under what suspicion am I being asked?"

Another popular one: "Am I being detained, or am I free to go?"

If the police officer has reason to question you within the scope of the law, then he or she shouldn't have an issue with explaining why. If there is no explanation, I would suggest politely continuing to ask whether or not you are being detained and if you are free to go.

[TNTramair]

you make a valid point.

[SoStock92]

So you approached a checkpoint and got out of the car...


whats wrong with you?

[Renegade_]

Cops can flag you or your car. My car is flagged to hell up here in state college. Too much drifting around, etc. I'll step outside for a cig and like an hour after I was rain drifting on some abandoned back roads a cop will be parked behind my car, taking my plate, etc. They don't do anything, but my car is definitely flagged.