Tuning estimates

[99SL2_Modder]

I talked to a friend about my finds with the newfound Techedge.

in WOT, it goes steadily down from 12.5 when it hits 2k or so. Now, I've seen it be steady at 11.2 a few times, but I've also seen it smack into upper 10's.

Anyone with a tuned N/A car knows this is bad.

Anyway, it was estimated that there's a 10whp loss in that fuel dumpage. 10whp is 10whp. Looks like I need 240 bucks to get the MS.

[Raven18940]

Wow, my car must be losing 20whp cause I'm uber rich at the top end.

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by Raven18940

Wow, my car must be losing 20whp cause I'm uber rich at the top end.

How rich is uber rich? Turbo cars like to be more rich

[Raven18940]

Well I have a flat torque curve for the firs 5000 rpms and then it starts to dip into the 10's and the torque starts to die.

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by Raven18940

Well I have a flat torque curve for the firs 5000 rpms and then it starts to dip into the 10's and the torque starts to die.

10's?

Wow, 10 is a bit rich for your car. Most turbo GM's like around 11.5 or so.

But you're also turbo. I'm hitting 10's n/a. w00t!

[347gtvert]

check your fuel pressure......

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by 347gtvert

check your fuel pressure......

Me or him?

[teh DIRT]

dude. get an safc. payment for this advice will be letting me borrow your WB02 !

[Raven18940]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

10's?

Wow, 10 is a bit rich for your car. Most turbo GM's like around 11.5 or so.

But you're also turbo. I'm hitting 10's n/a. w00t!

It's not a GM, it's a Saab. ;) They're just being uber cautious about not exploding the engine. Anyway, it doesn't worry me cause it tells me the injectors can support a far bit more power if adjusted right. I have a tweaked, 300 hp ECU ready to go in, should lean it out nicely.

[igo4bmx]

just wondering, but how old is your 02 sensor?

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by Raven18940

It's not a GM, it's a Saab.

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www.gm.com

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by teh DIRT

dude. get an safc. payment for this advice will be letting me borrow your WB02 !

Nah thanks. I want something that can be converted to a full standalone later. This is where the MS comes in.

[igo4bmx]

also you could lower your fuel pressure if you had an adjustable one

[Raven18940]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

........

www.gm.com

But the engine and it's ECU pre-date GM ownership. It's is the last pure Saab engine, the big daddy, 2.3L turbocharged, 270 hp, monster torque engine.

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by Raven18940

But the engine and it's ECU pre-date GM ownership. It's is the last pure Saab engine, the big daddy, 2.3L turbocharged, 270 hp, monster torque engine.

This is like me saying that my engine and ecu predate GM ownership and it's the last pure Saturn engine.

While this is true, it doesn't make it not a GM.

[Raven18940]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

This is like me saying that my engine and ecu predate GM ownership and it's the last pure Saturn engine.

While this is true, it doesn't make it not a GM.

But in your case Saturn was owned by GM from the get go, Saab was not. Saab was fiddling and tweaking essentially the same 4 cylinder engine for over 30 years. It started life as 8 valve 2.0L NA bought from Triumph, then it grew a turbo, then 16 valve heads, then it grew to 2.3L, until we end up with the finely polished jewel it is today........and GM is killing it off in two years cause "they need a 6 cylinder."

Anyway, we're getting off topic, my point was GM had no hand in it's developement so conventional GM wisdom doesn't apply to it.

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by Raven18940

But in your case Saturn was owned by GM from the get go, Saab was not. Saab was fiddling and tweaking essentially the same 4 cylinder engine for over 30 years. It started life as 8 valve 2.0L NA bought from Triumph, then it grew a turbo, then 16 valve heads, then it grew to 2.3L, until we end up with the finely polished jewel it is today........and GM is killing it off in two years cause "they need a 6 cylinder."

Anyway, we're getting off topic, my point was GM had no hand in it's developement so conventional GM wisdom doesn't apply to it.

If you mean "owned" as in supplied money for development but had no hand in making or using any of Saturns engines or management, then you're right.

GM did, however, have a hand in the ill-conceived L-series sedans that used the Opel v6, detuned to 140hp (from a 208hp underrate) in RWD, automatic only. This is the bombshell that made Saturn lose so much money.

However, in development at the time was a v6 LLO sister engine being designed to put out over 240bhp n/a that would be in my design chassis. GM heard about this, and while they were in financial need, bought them outright, and shut down the Spring Hill plant, firing all of it's employees, as well as a restaff of all "Saturn Regime" employees in all dealerships, leading to the demise of the "different" part of Saturn and thusly killing all forward motion that this brand had.

GM then axed the S-body and brought out the Ions and Vues and Relays...direct copies of platforms already developed and being developed, hence why they look so alike. Now they're axing their Ions, which were meant to get attention, and bringing out their luxury deals, because they're supposed to be the affordable luxury brand now.

[Raven18940]

So can we both agree on a hatred for GM's ability to suck all the uniqueness from a marque?

[Francesco]

i need tuning...im running rich, probably in the 10's or so...i want to be around 11.5 with my setup i think...

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by Francesco

i need tuning...im running rich, probably in the 10's or so...i want to be around 11.5 with my setup i think...

damn dude
10's are not good!