i wish every state was like texas

[den9]

seems like they have the most freedom and justice in america, i think this is a good idea, the only thing that would bother me is the fact that a student might get hold of the weapon, especially if its a weak old lady whos packin.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7564654.stm

[K-Rex]

Originally Posted by den9

seems like they have the most freedom and justice in america, i think this is a good idea, the only thing that would bother me is the fact that a student might get hold of the weapon, especially if its a weak old lady whos packin.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7564654.stm

Justice and freedom is a teacher carrying a handgun?

[99blazer]

Originally Posted by den9

seems like they have the most freedom and justice in america, i think this is a good idea, the only thing that would bother me is the fact that a student might get hold of the weapon, especially if its a weak old lady whos packin.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7564654.stm

It is not a good idea at all. Teachers should not have a gun there is no reason for it and its more dangerous than any of us could think of.

[garrettej8]

there are two sides to this situation. I wouldn't mind if a teacher had a gun as long as they're a sane individual

[99blazer]

Some people might say that teachers should have guns because of school shootings and such. But in my high we had one cop that was always there during school hours and he was there for that soul purpose.

[enigma]

I think everybody in the continental US (except felons) should own a handgun, except for those that own a rifle. Look at switzerland for example, ever citezen is required by law to own a gun, except for thos that own a rocket launcer or RPG. The swiss have the lowest crime rate, and have never been invaded/overtaken by a foreign country.

[twastheglow]

Originally Posted by 99blazer

It is not a good idea at all. Teachers should not have a gun there is no reason for it and its more dangerous than any of us could think of.

Originally Posted by 99blazer

Some people might say that teachers should have guns because of school shootings and such. But in my high we had one cop that was always there during school hours and he was there for that soul purpose.

I agree with both these statements. Not to mention police officers are trained to use these weapons correctly/safely.

[enigma]

Training ain't much more than safety off, and target practice, 2 in the chest one in the head.

[twastheglow]

Originally Posted by enigma

I think everybody in the continental US (except felons) should own a handgun, except for those that own a rifle. Look at switzerland for example, ever citezen is required by law to own a gun, except for thos that own a rocket launcer or RPG. The swiss have the lowest crime rate, and have never been invaded/overtaken by a foreign country.

Requiring everyone to own a gun is the same mentality as requiring everyone to NOT own a gun. You're still dictating the ownership of a firearm either way. I do not agree.

[twastheglow]

Originally Posted by enigma

Training ain't much more than safety off, and target practice, 2 in the chest one in the head.

Which you and I both know would never become part of teacher training. And only a small percentage of teachers would do that on their own. So, we're back to teachers having weapons that most wouldn't know how to correctly/safely use.

[enigma]

Most texans do know how to use a gun, as texas has a pretty high gun ownership percentage. I wouldn't trust a yuppie state like cali to pass something like this, those morons would start putting catalytic converters on guns.

But as to the gun ownership issue, someone who is about to commit a crime will think twice about breaking and entering if they know the inhabitants of the house own guns.

[twastheglow]

Originally Posted by enigma

Most texans do know how to use a gun, as texas has a pretty high gun ownership percentage. I wouldn't trust a yuppie state like cali to pass something like this, those morons would start putting catalytic converters on guns.

But as to the gun ownership issue, someone who is about to commit a crime will think twice about breaking and entering if they know the inhabitants of the house own guns.

I don't disagree with these statements at all. I will however say that I would certainly NOT allow my son to go to a school where the teachers were armed with firearms...period.

[den9]

Originally Posted by K-Rex

Justice and freedom is a teacher carrying a handgun?

justice was reffering to how fast they process murderers through death row, im just trying to state how relaxed they are, compared to california and new jersey.

plus they have alot of sonics there.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by twastheglow

I don't disagree with these statements at all. I will however say that I would certainly NOT allow my son to go to a school where the teachers were armed with firearms...period.

...tis better to have and not need than to not have and need.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbi...chool_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platte_...chool_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting


lest we forget...
exchange the setting to a school
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316322,00.html

I would feel more comfortable sending my child to a school with armed, CCW permit holding teachers.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by twastheglow

Which you and I both know would never become part of teacher training. And only a small percentage of teachers would do that on their own. So, we're back to teachers having weapons that most wouldn't know how to correctly/safely use.

You are so wrong and off base it makes you look oblivious to what is going on. They aren't forcing their teachers to carry guns, nor is any joe blow, clinically insane teacher allowed to carry. They are allowing teachers that have a carry permit for concealed carry, to carry guns. BIG difference. They also MUST go through hostile environment training.

The other false statement that you make is that "most wouldn't know how to correctly/safely use". Where are you coming up with your rationale for "most"???? Could you show me some proof that would illustrate how "MOST" law abiding, gun carrying concealed carry permit holders are not responsible???? In fact, CCW permit holders are one of, if not the most law abiding "groups" of citizens in the US.

http://www.lesjones.com/posts/004329.shtml


Also, you should be informed on what is required for one to obtain a CCW permit in Texas, something of which any teacher choosing to carry a gun in school would have to comply with;

Frequently Asked CCW Questions:

Once I submit my application, when should I expect to receive my license?
The department will make every effort to issue your license within 60 days or inform you that you did not meet the eligibility criteria. Once your application is complete, processing may take up to 180 days if your background check reveals potentially disqualifying events or information.

If I am a legal resident alien, can I get a license?
Under federal law, aliens who have been admitted to the U.S. under a non-immigrant visa usually are not qualified to purchase a handgun and therefore do not qualify for a license. If you were not admitted under a non-immigrant visa, you may qualify.

Can others find out if I am license to carry a concealed handgun?
Yes. If a written request is made to DPS as to whether a specific, named individual is a license holder. Unless the request is made by a criminal justice agency, DPS must notify the license holder about the request and provide the license holder with the name of the person or the agency making the request. UPDATE - this has a new law and we are looking for the exact statute. Only Law Enforcment has access to see who has CCW Permits. We will post Texas Statute as we get the number.

: If I move or change my name, how do I change the address or name on my license?
You must contact the DPS Concealed Handgun Section to receive a change of address form, or you may send a letter including your full name, CHL number, old address and new address and a cashier’s check or money order for $25. You may call 1-800-224-5744, write Texas Dept. of Public Safety Concealed Handgun Licensing Bureau, P.O. Box 4087, Austin, Texas, 78773 or online at http:// http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../chlsindex.htm.

What are the requirements for obtaining a license?
The concealed handgun law sets out the eligibility criteria that must be met. Your application packet will list them in detail. For example, you must be qualified to purchase a handgun under the state and federal laws. A number of factors may make you ineligible to obtain a license, such as: felony convictions and some misdemeanor, including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication, pending criminal charges, chemical or alcohol dependency, certain types of psychological diagnoses, protective or restraining orders, or defaults on taxes, governmental fees, student loans or child support. See GC § 411.172. The application packet also will include information about materials you need to return with your application packet. These include two recent color passport photos, two sets of fingerprints taken by a law enforcement agency employee or a private entity designated by a law enforcement agency as an entity qualified to take fingerprints of an applicant for a license, a copy of your Texas driver license or identification card, and a notification of completion form (TR 100) from a DPSauthorized training course. After receiving completed application packets, DPS will conduct background checks of juvenile records for the previous 10 years and of all adult records.

: If I was convicted of DWI two years ago, can I still get a concealed handgun license?
No. DWI is at least a Class B misdemeanor, and you are ineligible for a license for five years after a conviction for a Class A or Class B misdemeanor or for disorderly conduct. This includes cases that were dismissed after you completed probation or deferred adjudication. If you have been convicted of two or more alcohol or drug-related offenses within the last 10 years, you may not be eligible

: I received deferred adjudication following my arrest. Is this considered a conviction even though the charges eventually were dismissed?
Yes. The concealed gun law states that deferred adjudication will be treated as a conviction, except for orders of deferred adjudication over 10 years old for certain felony offense not involving violence against a person. See GC § 411.171

If a judge ruled that I was delinquent on my child support in 1992, but I have since worked out an arrangement with the Attorney General’s office to pay off the debt, can I get a license?
Yes. If you have a payment plan with a government agency for back taxes or child support and the agency sends DPS a clearance letter, you may apply. Include a copy of the agreement and letter with your application materials. The concealed handgun law was designed to encourage those who made no effort whatsoever to pay what they owe.

If I have spent time in a psychiatric care facility, will I be eligible for a license?
Eligibility for a concealed handgun license depends on your current diagnosis. Past psychiatric treatment will not necessarily make you ineligible. You should attach a letter from a licensed psychiatrist stating that your “condition is in remission and is not reasonably likely to develop at a future time,” as the concealed handgun law states.

If I was arrested for an offense but the charges were dismissed, will my application be rejected?
No. Dismissals will not be grounds for denial, as long as you were not placed on probation or deferred adjudication prior to the dismissal. Q: Do I have to meet all of the federal Brady Law requirements to get a license in Texas?

Yes. In order to be eligible for a Texas concealed handgun license, you must be fully eligible under both Texas and federal law to purchase a handgun (except for military applicants who are at least 18 years of age but under the age of 21).
Should I list all arrests on my application even if the cases were dismissed or I was found not guilty?

Do I have to take a special class to get a license?
Yes. You must take a 10- to 15-hour class taught by a DPS-certified instructor. The notification of completion form (TR 100) you receive from the instructor must be sent to DPS with your other application materials.

How can I find out if someone is a certified handgun instructor?
A list of certified handgun instructors can be found on the DPS website at www.txdps.state.tx.us. You can also obtain the information by calling (512) 424-7293 or 424-7294 or 1(800) 224-5744.

Can I get a copy of the instructor certification test?
No.

What is HB 1815
This measure will clarify, once and for all, that it is legal to transport a handgun in your motor vehicle for personal protection without a Concealed Handgun License (CHL), provided you are eligible to possess the firearm under state and federal law, you are not a member of a criminal street gang, you are not committing any criminal activity at the time (other than a traffic violation,) and as long as the handgun is hidden from plain view. It was signed and is in effect. The link is in the main section.

http://www.carryconcealed.net/legal/...state-laws.php

[[sr20]sean]

Originally Posted by twastheglow

Requiring everyone to own a gun is the same mentality as requiring everyone to NOT own a gun. You're still dictating the ownership of a firearm either way. I do not agree.

but it would be easier to enforce everyone to own a gun. if you say no guns allowed then the only thing your doing is making it harder to find them. people will still have them. kinda like how weed is illegal in 50 states. people still smoke it though.

[JET02WRX]

Originally Posted by enigma

I think everybody in the continental US (except felons) should own a handgun, except for those that own a rifle. Look at switzerland for example, ever citezen is required by law to own a gun, except for thos that own a rocket launcer or RPG. The swiss have the lowest crime rate, and have never been invaded/overtaken by a foreign country.

Crime rate may be lowest...but death by handgun is 2nd Highest in the world.

Switzerland also has a high degree of gun control, and actually makes a better argument for gun regulation than gun liberalization.

Switzerland keeps only a small standing army, and relies much more heavily on its militia system for national defense. This means that most able-bodied civilian men of military age keep weapons at home in case of a national emergency. These weapons are fully automatic, military assault rifles, and by law they must be kept locked up. Their issue of 72 rounds of ammunition must be sealed, and it is strictly accounted for. This complicates their use for criminal purposes, in that they are difficult to conceal, and their use will be eventually discovered by the authorities.

As for civilian weapons, the cantons (states) issue licenses for handgun purchases on a "must issue" basis. Most, but not all, cantons require handgun registration. Any ammunition bought on the private market is also registered. Ammunition can be bought unregistered at government subsidized shooting ranges, but, by law, one must use all the ammunition at the range. (Unfortunately, this law is not really enforced, and gives Swiss gun owners a way to collect unregistered ammunition.) Because so many people own rifles, there is no regulation on carrying them, but 15 of the 26 cantons have regulations on carrying handguns.