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Renegade_ · 12-12-2007, 09:13 PM

http://jalopnik.com/cars/racing-news...ars-331695.php

What the ****. What the ****!?

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FIA has just announced a 10-year ban on engine development in Formula One. Teams will have to submit an engine to FIA by March 31, 2008, which they will then have to use through 2017. Speaking about the decision, FIA President Max Mosley said, "There is no need to develop an F1 engine any further. The engine runs at 19,000 rpm, which is far faster than any comparable engine. It sounds good, it's reliable and amazingly the six partially frozen engines of the current manufacturers are really evenly matched."

We used to be avid F1 fans, attending the Silverstone Grand Prix nearly every year during our childhood. Recently, that passion has disappeared, largely because of incredibly boring races, a dearth of personality within the sport and mind-boggling rule changes. We can't help but feel that this latest policy change has completely removed the sport's last remaining point of appeal: technological development. How did we get to this point?

Vypurr · 12-12-2007, 09:18 PM

The idea is clearly to promote better drivers rather than better cars. But there is still more to an F1 car than its engine. There are still developments to be made with suspension and tires. I think this might help make the races a little more exciting personally.

AWDboostin · 12-12-2007, 11:31 PM

the skill that goes into driving one of those cars is incredible and the research n development process of the cars is also incredible,this rule is pointless

james_ls · 12-12-2007, 11:31 PM

It's finally putting a cap on the "competition."

There have been MANY quotes that say roughly F1 is a team and technology sport. Ye with the biggest bank wins.

wgknestrick · 12-12-2007, 11:58 PM

1 step closer to Nascar

Vypurr · 12-13-2007, 12:15 AM

Has Nascar ever been more fair and competitive?

S4toSTI · 12-13-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by wgknestrick

1 step closer to Nascar

Haha i think we are pretty far from nascar here lets be serious. I think its not the best thing in the world however if they have to lock one engine in can we please have it be 1.0l turbo 4cly ones not the v8s haha.

9 Ball · 12-13-2007, 03:02 AM

I don’t know about this. There are already too many regulations as is. I can’t imagine waiting another ten years before you’re allowed to introduce a new design.

Wiisass · 12-13-2007, 03:13 AM

You guys are missing the whole point. It's not saying that anything related to the engine will be the same for the next 10 years. It's limiting development on certain parts of the engine. They are trying to force teams for put more money into other development. Regenerative systems for braking and using spent exhaust gases and other stuff like this. It's good for overall development for both the sport and for the technology that will trickle down.

wgknestrick · 12-13-2007, 09:04 AM

Why do they then only permit poppet valves, or fixed length intakes?

F1 was such a good "think tank" for engineering development and it should be treated that way. Now I don't really like the super high rev limits on the engines, (would rather see around 8K RPM) and then force the teams to make their HP other ways that are more easily adaptable to production engines. Stock short block would be another good rule, Diesel, turbines, etc. The rules have stagnated what was once a very exciting sport with all of the unique breakthroughs, like the Tyrrell P34.

The aero rules are where teams are spending so much money now, not engine development. Racing without engineering development is wasteful entertainment.

Renegade_ · 12-13-2007, 11:37 AM

I understand what they are trying to do with the rule, but I just don't like it. I think F1 should be the absolute ragged edge of engineering. There is research not only in engines with F1 teams as it stands right now and I think the technology that they have developed is pretty damn amazing and does it's job well enough that I don't think there is a skew across the board that engine development completely outclasses and surpasses all others. yeah, there may be more there but they sure didn't forget about researching how the suspension and brakes work.

SovXietday · 12-13-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wgknestrick

Why do they then only permit poppet valves, or fixed length intakes?

F1 was such a good "think tank" for engineering development and it should be treated that way. Now I don't really like the super high rev limits on the engines, (would rather see around 8K RPM) and then force the teams to make their HP other ways that are more easily adaptable to production engines. Stock short block would be another good rule, Diesel, turbines, etc.
The aero rules are where teams are spending so much money now, not engine development. Racing without engineering development is wasteful entertainment.

I agree with aspects of your arguement, but 8K redline? WTF, there are stock production cars that rev higher than that. You can't do anything with that kind of redline, gearing would have to be extremely long, and the engines would have to be huge in order to make the kind of power necessary to run the way they do. The world is leading towards other means of energy etc for production engines, let the race cars do what they do best. Race!

ozthunder · 12-13-2007, 08:56 PM

Turbo era FTW. Everything since FTL, including this.

And Senna > *

/thread

SovXietday · 12-13-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ozthunder

Turbo era FTW. Everything since FTL, including this.

And Senna > *

/thread

Seriously, I want to hold one of those turbo's in my hand. Simply ****ing amazing. They need to bring **** like this back to the racing world.

ozthunder · 12-13-2007, 09:58 PM

And Group B. When FERRARI was about to enter Rally.

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Wiisass Tri-State Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Yardley Member #744 iTrader: (0)	You guys are missing the whole point. It's not saying that anything related to the engine will be the same for the next 10 years. It's limiting development on certain parts of the engine. They are trying to force teams for put more money into other development. Regenerative systems for braking and using spent exhaust gases and other stuff like this. It's good for overall development for both the sport and for the technology that will trickle down. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. Just put the TIP In. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

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Renegade_ Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2006 Location: NNJ/NYC Member #1912 My Ride: 1J Swaggon iTrader: (2)	I understand what they are trying to do with the rule, but I just don't like it. I think F1 should be the absolute ragged edge of engineering. There is research not only in engines with F1 teams as it stands right now and I think the technology that they have developed is pretty damn amazing and does it's job well enough that I don't think there is a skew across the board that engine development completely outclasses and surpasses all others. yeah, there may be more there but they sure didn't forget about researching how the suspension and brakes work. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

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ozthunder Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In a modular on campus Member #2994 My Ride: 2006 Nissan SE-R Spec V iTrader: (0)	Turbo era FTW. Everything since FTL, including this. And Senna > * /thread __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

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ozthunder Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In a modular on campus Member #2994 My Ride: 2006 Nissan SE-R Spec V iTrader: (0)	And Group B. When FERRARI was about to enter Rally. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

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