The Chrysler Argument, The continuation

[Piro]

This was taken out of the original thread by the all migthy Troll.
cost me a point too.


in responce to the gentelman who is passionate about Chryslers


Well I think I hit some sort of cord here!!!

BTW I'm not a big fan of Mitsubishi, the only car that I would buy is the evo, oh I did!! My true love are Porches, specialy the 911's

But I love a good argument!!!!

Sorry Troll

Think!!people!!think!!
If This Company is soooooo great. why it has been in bankruptcy more than once!!!

Why they have NEVER done an engine capable of being at the level of the F1's. (Is NOW that after getting Daimler-Benz, that they are getting their dirty hands on the technology to do it!!)

BTW, and you can check this. In the History of Turbocharged engines, Chrysler is not mentioned until 1984!!! Why? turbos were made cheaper, thanks to companies like Garrett, until the 80's. Not to mention that people was sore from the 73' gas crisis.

Porche and BMW were winning races with turbo engines long before!!

Another note: Chrysler is and has been, at periods, with mitsubishi and Hyunday developing technologies and engines for them. Hey they even have a plant in germany that they built together!!

AND if you LOOK very carefuly, many of the engines that the Chrysler uses are made by.......MITSUBISHI!! more now than ever!!

Actualy if you look at the history of this two companies they have been together for a long time!!!

The G63b turbo intercooler engine was developed in 1983 by MITSUBISHI. OOOhhh what a coincidence that Chrysler started in a year later!!! Is like someone walked by the Mitsu plant and said,"I wander if we could do that too?"

Go back to that page that you illustriously and magnanimously, posted an read carefuly. The company that Chrysler took for resourses and technologies was, among others, MITSUBISHI!! Why hiring a bunch of engeneers to develop an engine if you could buy it cheaper all ready made! dont have to build it just have our specs sent in and bualla new motor!! put our sticker on it, is important!! need to keep the illusion that we did it!!!

Chrysler took from 1977 to 1983 to develop the fuel injection system for an engine!,(174hps, honda did the same Hps w/o a turbo!) It was easer to get the f***ing thing made. (Is to hard to THINK CREATIVELY!)

The Turbos were by Garrett

Many of the disigns done on the "Shelugly" was done by LOTUS! and they were unreliable. they admited that!!! the car needed more headgaskets than tires!!! their explication was that the car was done using an egined NOT designed for a turbo aplication. Well, what kind of egineer will do something like that! copied directly from Chrysler page: "the official GLHS numbers went like this: quarter-mile in 14.7 seconds, 0-60 in 6.5 sec, and .88g on the skidpad" WOW, I don't know, is that fast?... only produced 7,700!!

Yes, the domestics have made great cars, but many others companies have done the same!! Look at Porche's history, success after success! BMW, WOW, have you seen their new M3 line! not to mention the M5 and M6
or Nissan their cars are very nice and they are making the GT-R(skyline) for the US. Audi has great cars. (the R8 is a kick in the A**) Lotus have the exige s, that is a fun car

I dont have to say anything about Ferrari, Lambo, alfas, , Pagani, Bugatti, Aston Martin, Bentley, Ducengberg and many more. they are
to rich for my blood.

AND yas there are other Domestic cars that are GREAT, but the fact is that they are losing ground fast. Their reputation is tainted by poor reliability and quality. Like I always said; what is the use of having that many horses if you can't put them to the ground or it brakes down!!!


If the Big Three han't lobbied for law that imposed regulations to the foreing cars they would have been out of bussiness long time ago, they imposed this regulations to save their behinds because they knew the imports were doing better, more reliable and cost effective cars that them!


My point is that; if they are that great why they are so bad!

Oh, here are some FACTS!:

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/22t.html Loved what the engeneers said about the heads!
http://www.allpar.com/history/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Corporation
http://www.turbodriven.com/en/turbofacts/index.asp
http://www.turbochargedpower.com/History.htm
http://freespace.virgin.net/c.coleman/turbhist.htm
http://www.imps4ever.info/marques/chrysler.html
http://www.histomobile.com/histomob/...35/histo02.htm
http://www.inu.net/davidstua/chrysler_case_part1.htm

and if you don't want web pages, then read:

Riding the Roller Coaster: A History of the Chrysler Corporation. By Charles K. Hyde. Detroit
EYE OPENER

[Piro]

If anyone whats to post their opinion in this thread you are more than welcome.

[Piro]

Feel free to check the links

[Scapegoat]

I like how the angrier you get the worse your spelling and grammar

unfortunately I missed the original post...

I am an 80's Chrysler fan-boy... and 14.7 seconds in the quarter was quite fast back then all things considered. Heck 14.7 seconds is pretty damn quick for the 60's muscle cars with 300-400hp and 2 tons of metal.

Sure, Chrysler hasn't been the best of companies but they've taken some of the biggest risks with what they've made which haven't always been the best choice...but still, they've done a good job putting out some cool **** that not everyone can appreciate.

I miss my 85 Omni GLH...

[twistedlanes]

so uuum whos gonna buy them? I heard Gm offered to take them off of Mercedes' hands, but the offer wasn't right. whos next to try and buy the company that is losing more money than some companies are making.

[WhiteXFire]

<== I bought one of those things that they took a risk on that wasn't necessarily the best choice, haha. It's a fun little car that people either hate or love that would have done much better if they had marketed the car and lowered the price by $5K. But, I'm stepping up to the real thing now.

[redline]

I really could care less but I will tell you the 2.2 is one of the best damn engines ever made. My omni is the champ and gets 30mpg!

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

I like how the angrier you get the worse your spelling and grammar

I thought it was funny also. Finally, someone has worse spelling and grammer than the poolguy.

[doug]

man, this guy really hates chrysler's. i stopped reading after a few badly grammared "paraphrases".

[Ender81]

I love a good spell check myself.

People will like what they like. While I can appreciate passion in anything writing so much to convince people to change their mind seems to be a waste of time. Imagine if you had spent that same amount of time on something worthwhile like searching for free dirty websites. Imagine the number of responses you would have had for posting up something like that.

[1gmfanatik]

I also am not a fan of Chrysler nor Dodge. Those two are probably my most disliked manufacturers. Also not a fan of Ford, but mostly because of all the Mustang fanbois rollin out my way. I am a die hard GM fan, that is all I have ever owned.

That being said, I do have to give credit where credit is due for people that take care of and/or modify their vehicles no matter what brand, make, or model. Chrysler has had many problems over time, but has had a couple good cars. Hell, I remember the Omni. Didn't own one, but I went to school with a girl that did. lol...

Once someone is set in their mind what their favorites are, or what they want, that is usually it. I know that I could care less what anyone else thinks of GM, or Chevy, or that I drive a Supercharged Cobalt that people seem to call a Cobalier (Cavalier, FYI) even though they share NO resemblence what so ever. To each their own.

[Ender81]

Originally Posted by 1gmfanatik

I know that I could care less what anyone else thinks of GM, or Chevy, or that I drive a Supercharged Cobalt that people seem to call a Cobalier (Cavalier, FYI) even though they share NO resemblence what so ever. To each their own.

That's a refrence to your car being a cavalier with a different body and name. Hehehehe

[1gmfanatik]

Originally Posted by Ender81

That's a refrence to your car being a cavalier with a different body and name. Hehehehe

Yeah, I know. There are quite a few people out there that like to make jokes about the Cobalt being just another Cavalier. Not to say that the Cavy was all that bad of a car, but no comparison there. Doesn't even share the same motor. lol..Ah well, what are ya gonna do??

[Piro]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

I like how the angrier you get the worse your spelling and grammar

unfortunately I missed the original post...

I am an 80's Chrysler fan-boy... and 14.7 seconds in the quarter was quite fast back then all things considered. Heck 14.7 seconds is pretty damn quick for the 60's muscle cars with 300-400hp and 2 tons of metal.

Sure, Chrysler hasn't been the best of companies but they've taken some of the biggest risks with what they've made which haven't always been the best choice...but still, they've done a good job putting out some cool **** that not everyone can appreciate.

I miss my 85 Omni GLH...

I know my spelling is bad a nd my gramar is F***
but if your first language is not english you would to, you try do do the same in Spanish!!

[Piro]

My point is not demeen Chrysler, Hey they still in bussiness! for now

[enigma]

So what is the point? Is the problem the people, the engineers, or the beancounters that f-ed up all of the major american companies?
I AM a mopar fan, and own 2.5 chyco products right now, my dakota, the talon 1/2(if that), and my 1970 duster.
Who care's if a company outsources for certain parts of their car?
90% of the powerstrokes you see on the market use garret turbo's form the factory; Why? because it is cheaper, and more cost effective to use a proven product.
GM's diesel tranny is made by allison, thats about the smartest move by ANY of the big three diesels, the allison tranny is the only tranny that has been proven to operate for 200k+ miles with no problems. dodge's and fords diesel tranny's crap out at 50 and a little over 100, respectivly speaking.
And to answer the F1 question, because F1 is not very popular over here in the states, where the majority of chry-co's products are sold. Companies prefer to invest their money in motorsports that get alot of attention from the masses, IE NASCAR and NHRA. If any of the big three knew that they would get sales from competing in F1, then they would do it.
NISMO uses ed pink(old school motor builder) for certain parts on their engines, IRL uses his motors.
It all depends on what the returns on the invested money are gonna be.
Chry-co is turning out some of its best looking/performing products on the market, but the pricing is not where it should be. But again, there are a few cars from them that are underperforming, overpriced turds.
Chry-co used to be a engineering-based company, thats what it was during its glory days of the 60's and early 70's, but when the bean counters stepped in heavily they screwed it up with lousy quality, and even worse PR/marketing. The few times where somebody actually got some ideas out, nice products came out. The 2.2 was a great motor for its time, very durable, but it liked to leak oil(fixed with a better headgasket). The idea of having a pickup truck with some style was a great selling point, but the body panels rusted and the tranny's were junk(beancounters), the thought of having a sub $20K turbo'd compact that was fast and reliable was a great idea, but the neon platform itself has some problems.
Again, the biggest problem with this company is the beancounters that won't allow a decent product to roll through its doors, a great engineering department, with great idea hampered by management.
Don't really feel like typing any more.

[ScubaSteve]

The only thing I can understand from this thread is that you hate Chrysler because Porsche is better. In which case, #1: thank you captain obvious #2: if chrysler was competing with porches vehicle class most of us would never afford a chrysler.

Sorry if this isnt what you were getting at but most of your rant was pretty confusing. I honestly don't see why you care so much about it.

[Piro]

Originally Posted by ScubaSteve

The only thing I can understand from this thread is that you hate Chrysler because Porsche is better. In which case, #1: thank you captain obvious #2: if chrysler was competing with porches vehicle class most of us would never afford a chrysler.

Sorry if this isnt what you were getting at but most of your rant was pretty confusing. I honestly don't see why you care so much about it.

nop. that is not.

this came from an argument about turbos, some one stated that chry-co had the most experience with turbos. something that I belive is not true. that started the hole thing at least for me.

I love some chrys products ('60) but from there to now it has been ages.

[05Accent]

after reading all that. i notied somethig.. ur avatar is ****in small as ****!

[Piro]

Originally Posted by 05Accent

after reading all that. i notied somethig.. ur avatar is ****in small as ****!

how do you change that?