Whats your opinion on this?

[240sxDann]

Ok so...why is it that you can buy springs by themselves, if your not supposed to run lowering springs on stock size struts? I mean...I know your BEST off buying a full set of coilovers, but whats the disadvantages of just buying lowering springs and buying new struts?

[Uberu]

I'm pretty sure its because springs are made for certain struts, so if you bought certain struts you might have to cut the springs in order for them to fit...and it isn't good to cut the springs

[Jeffros Spec V]

Cause you can buy aftermarket struts that will support aftermarket struts.

i.e. ground control coilovers and koni yellows struts.

[240sxDann]

Originally Posted by Jeffros Spec V

Cause you can buy aftermarket struts that will support aftermarket struts.

i.e. ground control coilovers and koni yellows struts.

so...we're the only 2 not drunk tonight. lol. But anyways....what?? You can buy aftermarket struts that support after market struts? Does that make sense? Cuz I'm confused lol

[yellow2000S/R]

I know Tokico makes struts for ZX2s that are set/matched for Eibachs Pro Kit springs...

Then that setup interchanges between:
* 1991-present Ford Escort
* 1997-present Ford ZX2
* 1991-present Mercury Tracer
* 1990-1994 Mazda Protege
* 1990-1994 Mazda 323
* 1992-1995 Mazda MX3

I had the Tokico struts and Eibach springs on my last ZX2 and my new ZX2 has Tokico struts with Ground Controll coilovers but they use Eibach anyhow... haha

[Jeffros Spec V]

Of course you can buy aftermarket struts that support aftermarket springs.

[RyanG]

any aftermarket performance strut/shock will work fine for lowering springs.
If you run lowering springs on stock struts/shocks, the valving isn't good enough on the stockers to handle the quick rebounding of the higher rate springs.
ie: bouncy as **** ride.

Tokico blues suck. plain and simple. The Tokico Illumina series are nice and give dampening adjustability. Personally go with KYB AGX's, you will be more than happy.

[240sxDann]

Well the reason I ask is that I want to drop my car, and I'm just looking at options you know? I want to start auto crossing it, and MAYBE try drifting this season. Would shocks/struts be ok for that, as opposed to coilovers?

[dt98gsr]

Originally Posted by 240sxDann

Well the reason I ask is that I want to drop my car, and I'm just looking at options you know? I want to start auto crossing it, and MAYBE try drifting this season. Would shocks/struts be ok for that, as opposed to coilovers?

If you actually plan on trying to Auto-X or Drift you will be much much happier with a set of coilovers. Adjustable ride height, adjustable dampening, and spring rates that are matched to your struts. Overall you get a much better ride on coilovers than you would on springs/struts. Especially if you plan on Auto-Xing or drifting your car.

Some people say that coilovers ride a little harsher than a spring and strut setup, I think that really depends on the setup and the height of the car. Cars with springs/struts generally aren't nearly as low as cars setup with coilovers (cause they can't go as low), therefore the ride is a little harsher. If a car with coilovers was a the same height as a car on springs it would probably rider and handle better.

[Wiisass]

What does ride height have to do with ride quality? Ride quality is most defined by compression damping. With too much high speed compression damping, the bumps and such in the road gets tramsitted into the chassis rather than by being absorbed by the spring.

240SXDann, buy coilovers. You have a 240, there are coilovers all over the place. So do that and be done with it.

[240sxDann]

Originally Posted by Wiisass

240SXDann, buy coilovers. You have a 240, there are coilovers all over the place. So do that and be done with it.

yea I know there all over the place, I was just getting opinions and trying to learn a bit before making any decisions. Not like I have money to do it anyways, but you know lol. Thanks for all the input guys!

[RyanG]

for what you are going to spend on good springs and struts, you can pick up a set of Megan or D1 coilovers for just a little more.
The 240 guys seem to like the D1 coilovers

[240sxDann]

Originally Posted by AREA1320

for what you are going to spend on good springs and struts, you can pick up a set of Megan or D1 coilovers for just a little more.
The 240 guys seem to like the D1 coilovers

is D1 the company? If not who makes them?

[Mac @ R/T Tuning]

I think he is talking about D2. They are garbage. When the time comes spend the loot and get the good stuff.

[240sxDann]

Originally Posted by Mac @ R/T Tuning

I think he is talking about D2. They are garbage. When the time comes spend the loot and get the good stuff.

well what would you suggest as the good stuff?

[Mac @ R/T Tuning]

Lots of good stuff, just expensive. Personally I would go with our custom setup when it comes out (and I will be)...but for now I would run something like the Tanabe Sevens or the new Greddy stuff I have been hearing good things about.

[124spy]

not a fan of D2, have a customer w/them, all 4 are blown. about $120.00 each for rebuild.
can't go wrong with the Tanabe's

[SmokeyBandit]

Originally Posted by Wiisass

What does ride height have to do with ride quality? Ride quality is most defined by compression damping. With too much high speed compression damping, the bumps and such in the road gets tramsitted into the chassis rather than by being absorbed by the spring.

To correct this.. the ride quality is most defined by compression damping relative to the spring rates.

Ideally you want your dampers to match the spring rates as much as possible. Over and under dampening will make ride quality worse.

My car has a really stiff aftermaket suspension, however ride quality is really good because the dampers are matched to the springs as much as possible.

[Twinz]

coil-overs all the way...especially if trying to drift or auto-x, other wise you'll spend a lot of money on a good set up of springs and stuts and still not have as good a set up as coilovers

[RyanG]

Originally Posted by Mac @ R/T Tuning

I think he is talking about D2. They are garbage. When the time comes spend the loot and get the good stuff.

got me lol.. I don't run them. I'm just giving him some options being it seems as tho he doesnt want to spend a lot.
oh and the Greddy's are identical as JIC's ;)