electric car kill ferrari, and porsches

[MaxRPM]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qX0fhDox...elated&search=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8qDZOBQs60w

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VBDeCthB7...elated&search=

[SupraJDS]

I thought that car was called the ATOM and it isn't electric it has a honda motor in it.

[MaxRPM]

it modified to pure electric

[wrx_snobordr]

Awesome car.

Video 3 answered the question to video 1. Car companies make what they know they can sell the most of, not what people should buy.

[willthethrill]

so he puts an electric motor into an Ariel Atom and calls it an x1??

[99SL2_Modder]

Hey guys, being the local saturn knowledge pool around here, I'd like to point out that the car in the first video is the Saturn EV1 that was axed very early.

0-60 in 8 seconds, top speed of 183mph, drag coefficeint of 0.19.

Powered at the time of its release by 26 advanced recombinant lead-acid batteries for the high voltage system, and a regular 12 volt battery for all the regular stuff. An option was gonna be available later in its life to change to NiMH batteries for extended life, but obviously, that didn't happen.

Also, the 0-60 in 8 seconds was with the weaker motor (yes, it's a motor in this case!). They had a second developmental motor that knocked it out to about 4.5-5 seconds. That might seem slow, but if you think about it, it's really not.

End knowledge session.

[MaxRPM]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

Hey guys, being the local saturn knowledge pool around here, I'd like to point out that the car in the first video is the Saturn EV1 that was axed very early.

0-60 in 8 seconds, top speed of 183mph, drag coefficeint of 0.19.

Powered at the time of its release by 26 advanced recombinant lead-acid batteries for the high voltage system, and a regular 12 volt battery for all the regular stuff. An option was gonna be available later in its life to change to NiMH batteries for extended life, but obviously, that didn't happen.

Also, the 0-60 in 8 seconds was with the weaker motor (yes, it's a motor in this case!). They had a second developmental motor that knocked it out to about 4.5-5 seconds. That might seem slow, but if you think about it, it's really not.

End knowledge session.

Very true, electric car are better than MOTORize cars. Advance technology now with electric motor and batteries, can outlast and outperforme all of motorize engine cars. And saft for us to breath. But, Oil comapy won't let that happen. They paid off the FEDs, and demand car maker to destroy what ever is left of EV cars. Because trilion and trillion of oil is left in the ground that hasn't been sold yet to the public. they figure...

[willthethrill]

Originally Posted by MaxRPM

Very true, electric car are better than MOTORize cars. Advance technology now with electric motor and batteries, can outlast and outperforme all of motorize engine cars. And saft for us to breath. But, Oil comapy won't let that happen. They paid off the FEDs, and demand car maker to destroy what ever is left of EV cars. Because trilion and trillion of oil is left in the ground that hasn't been sold yet to the public. they figure...

How can you make a statement like when electric /hybrid cars haven't even been around long enough to determine their long term reliability?

[silver05bullet]

that electric car = the ****

[MaxRPM]

Originally Posted by willthethrill

How can you make a statement like when electric /hybrid cars haven't even been around long enough to determine their long term reliability?

Do some research, gas eating motor, are old technolgy, and yet, we still use it.

The new Telsa roadster

0-60 in about 4 sec
Range is about 250miles
Cost about 1 cent per miles
Fully charge batteries in about 3 and half hours.
Save the world, zero emmision
And say good bye to GAS from foreige country.

[silver05bullet]

i agree with maxrpm electric cars are the way to go

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by MaxRPM

Do some research, gas eating motor, are old technolgy, and yet, we still use it.

The new Telsa roadster

0-60 in about 4 sec
Range is about 250miles
Cost about 1 cent per miles
Fully charge batteries in about 3 and half hours.
Save the world, zero emmision
And say good bye to GAS from foreige country.

Then why dont you drive one? Are the oil companies stopping you?

All it will take is the american people getting fed up with paying such high gas prices and you will see change. You saw a bit of it during the recent oil crisis. The populace got annoyed, we started complaining and then legislation was passed to increase ethonal and many companies started offering hybrids. Now look, gas prices have started to fall and all the momentum we gained was washed away. People are back to accepting the gas prices and wont care again until prices reach around 80 a barrell.

Its not that oil companies DONT want us to move onto other forms of propulsion ie hydrogen, which they could easily move into and make just as much money. Its that they arent stupid. They know americans and increasingly the wolrd population has a short attention span. SHure, it sounds all good to say I want Hydrogen or I want ethonal. But they would be in a pile of debt now and the american people would not even care about switching to ethonal. The majority wouldnt go out and switch to a flex fuel vehicle or a hybrid, gas isnt effectign them enough. SO the oil companies would have wasted billions on a gamble.


The second we as a people, I mean the majority, get serious about energy independence and 0 emissions the big companies will listen. And dont expect the gov to handle it. Carter tried to get the country onto ethonal back in the 70s as a cure to to the oil embargo...all that did was waste alot of taxpayer dollars.

[MPowerKai]

It's not fair, if you listen to the ferrari and the porche they are burning rubber bad which means they had bad drivers. A good driver would not have floored it at first

[MaxRPM]

Originally Posted by wrx_snobordr

Then why dont you drive one? Are the oil companies stopping you?

All it will take is the american people getting fed up with paying such high gas prices and you will see change. You saw a bit of it during the recent oil crisis. The populace got annoyed, we started complaining and then legislation was passed to increase ethonal and many companies started offering hybrids. Now look, gas prices have started to fall and all the momentum we gained was washed away. People are back to accepting the gas prices and wont care again until prices reach around 80 a barrell.

Its not that oil companies DONT want us to move onto other forms of propulsion ie hydrogen, which they could easily move into and make just as much money. Its that they arent stupid. They know americans and increasingly the wolrd population has a short attention span. SHure, it sounds all good to say I want Hydrogen or I want ethonal. But they would be in a pile of debt now and the american people would not even care about switching to ethonal. The majority wouldnt go out and switch to a flex fuel vehicle or a hybrid, gas isnt effectign them enough. SO the oil companies would have wasted billions on a gamble.


The second we as a people, I mean the majority, get serious about energy independence and 0 emissions the big companies will listen. And dont expect the gov to handle it. Carter tried to get the country onto ethonal back in the 70s as a cure to to the oil embargo...all that did was waste alot of taxpayer dollars.

I would definitely drive one, it alot cheaper than any exoctic car,...ferriari, lambo, porsches.

But, still expensive until they can mass produce it, then the price will fall. Anyway, 2007 is sold out, 2008 is on waiting , and still not garrenteed you'll get one, unless you put down 50,000 ....whoaa..

[99SL2_Modder]

Quick lesson:

Fully electric cars were around since the early 1900's.

The reason they don't hit big is because they can't market them for one, and for two, it IS mainly oil companies. Being that gasoline is made of so much oil, they'd be hit HARD.

Granted, they could still make a killing on tires, but they'll just jack the price up of tires to make up for the gasoline loss.

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

Quick lesson:



The reason they don't hit big is because they can't market them for one, and for two, it IS mainly oil companies. Being that gasoline is made of so much oil, they'd be hit HARD.

Granted, they could still make a killing on tires, but they'll just jack the price up of tires to make up for the gasoline loss.

Dude, listen to what you are saying. Anyone can market almost anything. if americans want it they will get it. There is almost no demand for these products hence them not being readily available. If there was a huge public outcry I can gaurntee you the market would be flooded almost overnight.

Think about some industries that have gone down because something bigger and better came along. AOL, the king of dial up got housed by companies offering cable and dsl. The tube tv is being pushed out of the market place by plasma and lcd.The list goes on. It takes time for them to permiate the market and prove they are a viable, read above and beyond, current technology.

Americans care about the environment on paper. When it comes to action very few will unless it is not going to impact their wallet. At the current costs these vehicles are not providing a practical enough alternative for people to go out and drop money on them.

[Raven18940]

Guys, electric cars aren't zero emission, you still have to make that electricity. Right now in the US that means burning oil. Sell it to us as gasoline or sell it the electric companies, either way the oil companies win. Electric cars are neat and all, but unless we as a society make serious in roads into driving less and using less energy we still have a big emissions problem on our hands.

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by Raven18940

Guys, electric cars aren't zero emission, you still have to make that electricity. Right now in the US that means burning oil. Sell it to us as gasoline or sell it the electric companies, either way the oil companies win. Electric cars are neat and all, but unless we as a society make serious in roads into driving less and using less energy we still have a big emissions problem on our hands.

This where hydrogen fuel cells coem in with the technology from SHEC (solar Hydrogen energy corporation http://www.shec-labs.com/ ). Zero emissions from start to finish. that doesnt count the oil and energy that goes into the production of the car but if the car plant was powered by wind turbines, which by the way, are manufactured right in Bristol near the steel mill, it would be super low emissions.

[Raven18940]

Originally Posted by wrx_snobordr

This where hydrogen fuel cells coem in with the technology from SHEC (solar Hydrogen energy corporation http://www.shec-labs.com/ ). Zero emissions from start to finish. that doesnt count the oil and energy that goes into the production of the car but if the car plant was powered by wind turbines, which by the way, are manufactured right in Bristol near the steel mill, it would be super low emissions.

But does that have the capacity to fuel the current US economy? And fuel are neat, but I question the wisdom of using hydrogen as a fuel. Gasses are much more difficult to contain than liquids, the potential for disaster seems greater. And why don't we just burn the hydrogen, why are we making fuel cells?

I think the "hydrogen economy" raises more questions than it solves. We need to consume a lot less before we even think about alternative energy.

[wrx_snobordr]

Do a bit of research on hydrogen and safety and you will see it is as safe and in some cases safer than gasoline. For one, in a crash, if the tank is puntured it doesnt explode like some gas tanks can. ALso, if it is punctured the furl doesnt leak onto the ground it dispurses into the air and is rendered harmless. Its not like a hydrogen bomb.

The reason for hydrogen fuel cells is simple. If you have an engine you need engine oil. With a fuel cell it turns the hydrogen into electrical power so all yopu need is 4 small electric motors at each wheel. This eliminates the big transmission and engine which greatly reduces the lubricants needed.