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koho2731 · 08-16-2006, 06:39 AM

I've been doing some research on the different options, but I still can't decide which one would be the best way to go. I'm looking for 500+ whp on pump gas and what every more I can get out of race gas

. I'm leaning towards the 2.3 because I miss the low end torque of the Spec V, but I'm open to suggestions.

Here is what I’ve come up with so far.

Eagle 4g64 crank
Eagle H-beam rods
Pistons not sure which company but .020 over 9:1 compression
P&P head 1mm over Valves W/ Manley valve springs
of course ARP Head and Main studs
272 cams
SCE Copper Head Gasket

Other supporting mods I would still need to get
JM Fabrication SMIM
Turbo Concepts 70 trim stage III A/R (.63)
DSM link
850-1000cc injectors
Inline Walbro 255 (I have an intank already)

I think thats it besides the normal rebuild parts.

Renegade_ · 08-16-2006, 07:27 AM

2.0 and raise the redline a grand or so

Sorry I like teh high rev

sisforsurfing · 08-16-2006, 09:19 AM

I'm sure the DSM heads will be better at this, but isn't it generally the strokers make better street/strip cars, but for out and out drag racing the 2.0's are better because they can rev?

My "dream car" from age 12 was a DSM so I spent half of my time reading DSMtalk, haha, but I just don't see why you should go with a stroker when people have so much success with the 2.0... maybe someone else will tell me I'm wrong, which is fine, but that's just what I've always thought.

EvlEgl · 08-16-2006, 04:10 PM

Stick with the Soda Bottle.

Sounds like a Nice Setup you got going...why not run a Garret Turbo Though? Cant go wrong with the Eagle/Ross Combo either.

One day Ill rebuild mine and put all the goodies on it.

koho2731 · 08-16-2006, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvlEgl

Stick with the Soda Bottle.

Sounds like a Nice Setup you got going...why not run a Garret Turbo Though? Cant go wrong with the Eagle/Ross Combo either.

One day Ill rebuild mine and put all the goodies on it.

Turbo Concepts did a good job rebuilding my turbonetics 57 trim and I know the owner. It is a Garret style turbo too.

koho2731 · 08-16-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sisforsurfing

I'm sure the DSM heads will be better at this, but isn't it generally the strokers make better street/strip cars, but for out and out drag racing the 2.0's are better because they can rev?

My "dream car" from age 12 was a DSM so I spent half of my time reading DSMtalk, haha, but I just don't see why you should go with a stroker when people have so much success with the 2.0... maybe someone else will tell me I'm wrong, which is fine, but that's just what I've always thought.

well I'm going to still drive the car on the street and AMS has had the 2.3 up to 7800 RPM I think which is were I'm at now. If I whent with the 2.1 (destroked 4G64) I could easly rev past 10K

teh DIRT · 08-16-2006, 06:05 PM

high revs for the win.

D Money · 08-16-2006, 06:06 PM

2.4L!!!

You can spool a Fp-red like a stock turbo on that block! lol

EvlEgl · 08-16-2006, 06:21 PM

Or downshift on a 2 liter

TalonTsi97 · 08-16-2006, 06:57 PM

If your goign to rev high make sure your tranny can take it. The motors can do it but it seems a stock tranny will not wanna do it.
If i was going to build motor i think i would go with a 2.4. I do like high revving cars so its tempting but i would like to have a bigger turbo spool up a lil easier.

SpendOne · 08-16-2006, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koho2731

I've been doing some research on the different options, but I still can't decide which one would be the best way to go. I'm looking for 500+ whp on pump gas and what every more I can get out of race gas

. I'm leaning towards the 2.3 because I miss the low end torque of the Spec V, but I'm open to suggestions.

Here is what I’ve come up with so far.

Eagle 4g64 crank
Eagle H-beam rods
Pistons not sure which company but .020 over 9:1 compression
P&P head 1mm over Valves W/ Manley valve springs
of course ARP Head and Main studs
272 cams
SCE Copper Head Gasket

Other supporting mods I would still need to get
JM Fabrication SMIM
Turbo Concepts 70 trim stage III A/R (.63)
DSM link
850-1000cc injectors
Inline Walbro 255 (I have an intank already)

I think thats it besides the normal rebuild parts.

I have a set of Ross 9:1 Pistons for cheap. They were off my old motor.

koho2731 · 08-17-2006, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpendOne

I have a set of Ross 9:1 Pistons for cheap. They were off my old motor.

How much?

I like torque that is why I was looking at the 2.3L but being able to rev the **** out of the engine is nice too.

SpendOne · 08-17-2006, 08:32 AM

100.00...I just need them gone. I need money for the new project.

olsookie · 08-17-2006, 08:39 AM

2point0 liter w/ a 35r... lol

turbo4g63 · 08-19-2006, 02:30 PM

just ahhh...do whatever john shepard does and you got it made!!!

koho2731 · 08-19-2006, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo4g63

just ahhh...do whatever john shepard does and you got it made!!!

No **** ftw

I don't think he is shearing is setup though

SpendOne · 08-19-2006, 08:18 PM

Are you interested in the pistons?? Just curious.

koho2731 · 08-19-2006, 08:28 PM

**** I thought I pm'd you for some pic and what kind they were. sorry

SpendOne · 08-19-2006, 10:01 PM

Nah didnt get a PM...they are Ross 9:1's

Driven · 08-30-2006, 02:29 PM

My 2.3L sees ~8100 on every shift at the track and will generally sit at about 8600 for just over a second when I spin in first. I had no problems shifting at those RPMs with the original trans also.

Good luck with your build up, I hope you realize how much thats going to cost. Set aside a good 5-10k for the project to do it right. Don't bother starting if you're not going to do it right.

08-16-2006, 06:39 AM	#1
koho2731 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dover, DE Member #997 My Ride: 95 Eagle Talon TSi AWD iTrader: (1)	which engine should I build 2.0,2.1,2.3, or 2.4 I've been doing some research on the different options, but I still can't decide which one would be the best way to go. I'm looking for 500+ whp on pump gas and what every more I can get out of race gas . I'm leaning towards the 2.3 because I miss the low end torque of the Spec V, but I'm open to suggestions. Here is what I’ve come up with so far. Eagle 4g64 crank Eagle H-beam rods Pistons not sure which company but .020 over 9:1 compression P&P head 1mm over Valves W/ Manley valve springs of course ARP Head and Main studs 272 cams SCE Copper Head Gasket Other supporting mods I would still need to get JM Fabrication SMIM Turbo Concepts 70 trim stage III A/R (.63) DSM link 850-1000cc injectors Inline Walbro 255 (I have an intank already) I think thats it besides the normal rebuild parts.

08-16-2006, 09:19 AM	#3
sisforsurfing Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2005 Member #267 My Ride: 2003 WRX wagon iTrader: (2)	I'm sure the DSM heads will be better at this, but isn't it generally the strokers make better street/strip cars, but for out and out drag racing the 2.0's are better because they can rev? My "dream car" from age 12 was a DSM so I spent half of my time reading DSMtalk, haha, but I just don't see why you should go with a stroker when people have so much success with the 2.0... maybe someone else will tell me I'm wrong, which is fine, but that's just what I've always thought. __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.*

08-16-2006, 04:10 PM	#4
EvlEgl Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2006 Member #1412 My Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe iTrader: (0)	Stick with the Soda Bottle. Sounds like a Nice Setup you got going...why not run a Garret Turbo Though? Cant go wrong with the Eagle/Ross Combo either. One day Ill rebuild mine and put all the goodies on it. __________________ 2010 Tsukuba Red Genesis Coupe 3.8 2008 Kawasaki ZX6R [FRSH]

08-16-2006, 06:21 PM	#9
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08-16-2006, 06:57 PM	#10
TalonTsi97 TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: Jan 2005 Member #136 My Ride: 1997 Eagle Talon iTrader: (21)	If your goign to rev high make sure your tranny can take it. The motors can do it but it seems a stock tranny will not wanna do it. If i was going to build motor i think i would go with a 2.4. I do like high revving cars so its tempting but i would like to have a bigger turbo spool up a lil easier. __________________ 1997 Eagle Talon Tsi To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. Updated weekly with Dyno, Track, AutoX, Street, and Event videos. Big updates coming soon! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

08-16-2006, 07:27 AM	#2
Renegade_ Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2006 Location: NNJ/NYC Member #1912 My Ride: 1J Swaggon iTrader: (2)	2.0 and raise the redline a grand or so Sorry I like teh high rev

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08-17-2006, 08:39 AM	#14
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08-19-2006, 08:18 PM	#17
SpendOne Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NE Philly Member #144 My Ride: 1987 Mazda RX7 LQ4 Turbo iTrader: (6)	Are you interested in the pistons?? Just curious. __________________ 1993 GSX - 10.8@135 Stock motor & Trans - SOLD 1987 Mazda RX7 Single turbo LQ4 - 9.2@150 - SOLD 1980 Ford Fairmont 4Dr LQ4 Turbo AGAIN

08-19-2006, 08:28 PM	#18
koho2731 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Dover, DE Member #997 My Ride: 95 Eagle Talon TSi AWD iTrader: (1)	**** I thought I pm'd you for some pic and what kind they were. sorry

08-19-2006, 10:01 PM	#19
SpendOne Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NE Philly Member #144 My Ride: 1987 Mazda RX7 LQ4 Turbo iTrader: (6)	Nah didnt get a PM...they are Ross 9:1's __________________ 1993 GSX - 10.8@135 Stock motor & Trans - SOLD 1987 Mazda RX7 Single turbo LQ4 - 9.2@150 - SOLD 1980 Ford Fairmont 4Dr LQ4 Turbo AGAIN

08-30-2006, 02:29 PM	#20
Driven Tri-State Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: PA Member #336 iTrader: (0)	My 2.3L sees ~8100 on every shift at the track and will generally sit at about 8600 for just over a second when I spin in first. I had no problems shifting at those RPMs with the original trans also. Good luck with your build up, I hope you realize how much thats going to cost. Set aside a good 5-10k for the project to do it right. Don't bother starting if you're not going to do it right. __________________ 08 Evo X - Daily 95 Eclipse - 9.99 at 143 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

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