NJ Considering Legalizing Marijuana

[Scapegoat]

Stillen, would you be ok with this if they simply extracted the THC from cannabis and put it in a pill?

[Snoozie]

Originally Posted by MyCarIsFTL

Oh my god. That proves it for me! You have no clue about morphine or any medicine in general do you? Please stop and save face while you still can. Do your research on morphine. Morphine is not JUST available in IVs for those on their "last" days, it's widely used for a number of things.. and no, not all of those uses are for people who will only live for a few more days. Morphine is used to relieve pain from MIs, kidney stones, post-surgery pain, the list goes on. They use it for a lot of things, but it also doesn't make it any "safer" than weed. You really have no idea what you're trying to argue.. You can't sit there and legitimately try to say that morphine is safer than weed when you have no idea what either of the two do to the human body, or how they're used.

My Mom hurt her back/shoulder years ago and still has problems with it and was prescriped a morphine patch for a little bit. Also, Keith's Mom has a benign brain tumor and was on morphine in pill form. She wound up becoming addicted to it.

[Elliott18t]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

Stillen, would you be ok with this if they simply extracted the THC from cannabis and put it in a pill?

yet smoking it still isnt linked to lung cancer.. even said by his post

[evogsrviii]

Stillen, a few things:

1. 99% of prescription drugs have side effects that are determental, however they serve a purpose just like chronic would to a cancer patient.
2. Do you think other pain killers like percs, oxys and vicodins should also be illegal? Those are very dangerous drugs and cause much more damage that weed if not taken properly.
3. People die from alcohol abuse, pain killer abuse and indirectly cigeratte use but they are all legal substances. How many people do you know have died from a weed overdose/abuse?
4. So did you change your mind on making it legal for medical purposes?? Cause your first post says otherwise

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by Elliott18t

yet smoking it still isnt linked to lung cancer.. even said by his post

not part of my point

I await your answer Stillen...

if THC was extracted from cannabis and put into pill form, would you be ok with that?

[SpEcRv9]

They have THC pills, lung cancer patients who cant smoke can take the THC pills to receive the affects without smoking it. Medicinal of course

[Scapegoat]

please allow stillen to post before replying with logic ;)

[ASIAN JUL]

Stillen, you want more proof of what other pain treatments can do to you?

Just look at omgjacki's thread about Percocets. Has anyone ever taken Percocets?

[Renegade_]

Originally Posted by Stillen GLE

1.morphine would be my alternative that has side effect's also doesn't all medications have side effects. It effects each person differently.
2. If weed didn't do much harm to the human body there wouldn't be any law against it. obviously it does enough for the government and myself think differently.
3. are those better answer for you guy's or do you guys still think I have no idea what I am talking about.

Yo dude, let me lay it down for you. The stance of marijuana in modern society is usually accepted by the uneducated majority in the United States. I went to Germany and smoked a spliff of hash in front of a cop while talking with him on New Years eve about how the US is ****ing up bad on the international scene. Hash isn't decriminalized, but the guy said he really didn't care - he had dealt with only one drunk unruly person on his patrol all night and this is on a night where everyone has a bottle of wine in their hands. Germany allows open liqour/alcohol. The guy sees this kind of **** daily and he says the local police department in Cologne will really just tell you to take it indoors, but on this night, he didn't care. Welcome to the mentality of the world.

Moral reasoning: A psychologist by the name of Kohlberg set up stages of moral reasoning; several stages which you progress through life in how you evaluate the actions of and intentions of people and things around you. These are widely accepted, so don't even try to discredit this.

Stage one is obedience/punishment orientation and self interest orientation. These are where drug addicts and straight obedience fall. Self interest in that they want to get high and obedience to what are principles disclosed by the ruling hierarchy but not because they are laws, you follow them because you can get punished and experience negative outcomes.

Stage two is social norm conformity and and obedience to authority because they are the authority. Most people are here; you are too. You don't question authority because you say there is a reason behind it. There is a problem with this; it allows perpetual governmental control without any change. When people sit back and say the government or any ruling authority has power because they say they do, the internalized interest of the people in power are reflected, not anything else.

Third stage leads to eventually defining universal ethical principles; government falls completely short in all regards here as there are double standards and misrepresentations of facts all the time.

Don't fall into the category of the standard American. They are stuck early in stage 2 and don't realize there are other forms of information out there but refuse to acknowledge it because there is comfort in accepting that one source has the definitive answer for everything. Sounds like religion, doesn't it...

Morphine is the same as heroin and opium. The heroin feeling and morphine feeling only differ because one you insufflate/inject and the other you more often than not ingest. Thats it. Oxycontin can potentially be more addictive than heroin. Opiates have fantastic pain killing abilities, but there is a dark side to them.

Watch The American Drug War: The Last White Hope. Its free online. The government is two-faced on nearly everything.

By the way, New Jersey can't legalize marijuana, only decriminalize. They are gonna be like cali.

*edit* /sigh, **** it - I guess I'll just go out and say it. Heroin, when bought off the street does not really have the ability to kill you unless you inject it, the entire bag, and even then it doesn't have the refinement and potency of oxys. Ask me how I know. Doing lines of heroin is more accepted now and, not saying I condone it, won't really lead to death. People that die of heroin aren't insufflating it.

Cocaine on the other hand causes brain legions and psychosis in high doses. Methamphetamines are illegal for a reason because they are WAY WAY stronger than anything really needed medically. Cocaine is a marvelous substance because of what it does. I had a discussion in a medical class about the potential viability to deploy cocaine to soldiers because of the psychological and physiological benefits. You do know its a topical anesthetic right? It numbs the cite of application as fast as a shot of morphine. If someone got shot and is bleeding, you think numbing the site of the wound with cocaine would be allowed?

[Stillen GLE]

Originally Posted by evogsrviii

Stillen, a few things:

1. 99% of prescription drugs have side effects that are determental, however they serve a purpose just like chronic would to a cancer patient.
2. Do you think other pain killers like percs, oxys and vicodins should also be illegal? Those are very dangerous drugs and cause much more damage that weed if not taken properly.
3. People die from alcohol abuse, pain killer abuse and indirectly cigeratte use but they are all legal substances. How many people do you know have died from a weed overdose/abuse?
4. So did you change your mind on making it legal for medical purposes?? Cause your first post says otherwise

Like I have said previous time's I dont mind it being legal for medical purpose's

they only downside I have to it, is current pot smoker's using this an excuse to use it. and to try and getaway from the law.

[SpEcRv9]

Originally Posted by Stillen GLE

Like I have said previous time's I dont mind it being legal for medical purpose's

they only downside I have to it, is current pot smoker's using this an excuse to use it. and to try and getaway from the law.

So because I and others smoke pot for whats considered medical reasons (in california)....but its still illegal here, that makes me a criminal that should be in jail with people who actually do things that are actually wrong?

besides how do you know who has actual problems that require pot?...the doctor makes these decisions. not you. if they give me a license, i obviously have reason enough to have my medical marijuana license

can you please answer something of relevance one of the members here posts.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by Stillen GLE

they only downside I have to it, is current pot smoker's using this an excuse to use it. and to try and getaway from the law.

and you've got no issue with morphine or other opiates?

[ASIAN JUL]

People using weed for illegal purposes would still go to jail. This is a pathetic argument, Stillen, really it is.

[SpEcRv9]

Hey stillen, have you ever drank a beer under the age of 21?...thats illegal too.

[evogsrviii]

Originally Posted by Stillen GLE

Like I have said previous time's I dont mind it being legal for medical purpose's

they only downside I have to it, is current pot smoker's using this an excuse to use it. and to try and getaway from the law.

ok, cause i thought you did mind it even for medical purposes. i guess you flip flopped.

Originally Posted by Stillen GLE

what are you guys thoughs, I think its a bad idea, I mean we have enough pot heads around we dont need them using this as an excuse.

Originally Posted by Stillen GLE

I really dont approve of this, I think its stupid.

Originally Posted by Stillen GLE

in that case, there's something called KIMO, ever hear of it, that helps with cancer not smoking a leaf.

[TROLL]

If you're going to have an intelligent discussion then the thread should continue... if you're going to gang up on one member over and over like a broken record then it shouldn't. Show me a direction here other than the one its going in right now...

[jspek]

Originally Posted by Stillen GLE

1.morphine would be my alternative that has side effect's also doesn't all medications have side effects. It effects each person differently.
2. If weed didn't do much harm to the human body there wouldn't be any law against it. obviously it does enough for the government and myself think differently.
3. are those better answer for you guy's or do you guys still think I have no idea what I am talking about.

1. you do know morphine is really addictive right?
2. since the government is always right, why question it? just like when they banned beer and liquor.
3. i still dont think you have any idea what you are talking about because this thread was suppose to be about legalizing marijuana in nj for medical use.

[ASIAN JUL]

Originally Posted by TROLL

If you're going to have an intelligent discussion then the thread should continue... if you're going to gang up on one member over and over like a broken record then it shouldn't. Show me a direction here other than the one its going in right now...

I was trying to push it in the right direction by actually bringing up the multiple medical concerns about morphine when he offered morphine as a safer alternative to pain treatment than marijuana and by telling him to do his research on prescription drugs for pain. He chose to ignore that and not offer any type of real fact based or medically relevant response as to how morphine would be a safer alternative than weed. I would like to have an actual discussion about this because it's an interesting subject. The only reason it comes off as ganging up on one person is because it just happens to only be one person on the other side of the argument. Just my 2 cents, though.

[~Brian~]

I see no problem with legalizing marijuana for people with LEGITIMATE medical issues. Sometimes prescription drugs can only make their situation worse.

[zuki19]

I'm going to say it again...

Bring every drug you can think of to the US... I look at it this way, if someone wants to do to make them feel better sure go right ahead, buy it at a gas station or w.e BUT TAX THE HELL OUTTA IT!!! NATURAL SELECTION IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT CRAP. They should know what happens to them before they even do it... Why care .. there life not yours.. I don't think it would bring out country down... canada seems to be doin a decent job...