2011 nsx

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by SovXietday

*sigh*

No offense clean, but have you ever tried to put down 550hp without traction control? You'd have your ass end be your front end before you knew what happened. Plus, if it's anything like Honda's normal AWD setup, the car is RWD until it senses that it's starting to lose traction, in which case it will convert power to the other two tires in order to stabilize everything. I'm not positve on that, but it's how just about every production Honda AWD system is (although switched).

As far as the DSG style system it's for true racing enthusiasts. On the road course, the more time your hands are on the wheel the better. That's why Indy/F1/etc are paddle shifters, the technology is just starting to make it's way to the public that's all. Although I hope they come with a standard 6speed, I think I'll take a DSG 8 speed without complaint in that kind of car.

Honestly, I think this is all a step in the right direction for the NSX.

There is no need for traction control...cant keep the tires from breaking loose? Then be careful with your right foot. AWD system that senses stuff...that seems like a needless assist, again watch your right foot.

As far as hands on the wheel?? Plan your shifting and cornering and coordinate them. You cant compare cars like F1 to passanger cars, they have technology that we will probbably never experience.

To each their own, but like I said, I think sports cars are getting panzied down year by year.

[BlkWhtTSI]

dodge viper venom 1000 1,100hp spins tires through 4th and has zero traction control but still gets to 200 in 20 seconds

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

AWD system that senses stuff...that seems like a needless assist, again watch your right foot.
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I dunno man. I love having AWD drive in my WRX.....I know it's it's no 550HP dynamo but I'm still glad to have the AWD. More is More!

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by ScoobyNubieToo!

I dunno man. I love having AWD drive in my WRX.....I know it's it's no 550HP dynamo but I'm still glad to have the AWD. More is More!

Im just a fan of the "keep it simple, stupid" philosophy. The less different **** you have in a car, the less problems you are bound to have.

front engine, rwd, lsd, 5 or 6 speed with a clutch, done...thats a sports car to me

They are being designed basically to what I think involves less effort by the driver to go fast.

Traction control lets you mash the pedal with no thought
Stability control lets you fly around corners with no though
ABS lets you mash the brakes with no thought
etc.etc.
So whats left for the driver to do?? Jeremy Clarkson was right when he said these cars are like playstations cause it basically takes the inteligence of a 10 year old to drive these cars now.

[den9]

i agree 100 percent with cleanneon, except they put all that stuff in it so they will sell. im a fan of the F40, roll up windows, no carpet, no radio, no bs, but the people who can afford these cars want all the comforts in the car. they could of atleast made it mid rear

they did do a good job disguising the car, gave me a ****in headache trying to make out the lines of the car

[Renegade_]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

There is no need for traction control...cant keep the tires from breaking loose? Then be careful with your right foot. AWD system that senses stuff...that seems like a needless assist, again watch your right foot.

In all honesty, this grassroots bull**** is just one way of creating an elitist attitude. If I have a 500hp car it better damn well have traction control if I want it because if I am paying that much money for a new car it better not be spartan.

They aren't catering to you, the bottom end enthusiast that claims less is better. They are catering to the GT-R buying crowd that wants to be able to drive it when they want to and not have to worry about it being an uncontrollable animal in the snow if they want to use it there.

Hell, less is better for me too - i have no abs, ac, etc... but I at least realize that the target market isn't you. Its the older generation which doesn't mind a 500hp car in auto.

[Shoolig]

I wish it looked exotic. Mid engined cars seem to take the exotic shape much easier- it's tough to make a front engine car look like a super car. I was hoping for a Gallardo like powertrain (AWD V10) but wider, not as boxy, and more.... NSXish.

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

In all honesty, this grassroots bull**** is just one way of creating an elitist attitude. If I have a 500hp car it better damn well have traction control if I want it because if I am paying that much money for a new car it better not be spartan.

They aren't catering to you, the bottom end enthusiast that claims less is better. They are catering to the GT-R buying crowd that wants to be able to drive it when they want to and not have to worry about it being an uncontrollable animal in the snow if they want to use it there.

Hell, less is better for me too - i have no abs, ac, etc... but I at least realize that the target market isn't you. Its the older generation which doesn't mind a 500hp car in auto.

Well I agree with you as well. I think they should just have stripped down models for the people that like sports cars the way they used to be, and the loaded models who dont care to be involved with the drive.

Its like what they did with the s2000 cr. The normal s2000 didnt have traction control, the CR does...WHY would you want traction control in a car which is basically a track version of the s2000, wouldnt you want to have it instead in the normal version for daily driving?? I dont get it sometimes. I dont mean to make myself out to be Scumacher or anything like that, I just dont get it. Its like people that buy Carreras and put hardly any miles on them..the cars are perfectly drivable on a daily basis, they are comfortable, and have almost the same features that you find in your typical Audi, but thats a whole other area of discussion.

[GsrSiHatchie]

well see when it comes out, but it wont be compared to those cars when the price tag comes out and as said in the video its slower

[SovXietday]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

Well I agree with you as well. I think they should just have stripped down models for the people that like sports cars the way they used to be, and the loaded models who dont care to be involved with the drive.

Its like what they did with the s2000 cr. The normal s2000 didnt have traction control, the CR does...WHY would you want traction control in a car which is basically a track version of the s2000, wouldnt you want to have it instead in the normal version for daily driving??

So turn traction control off? You act like it's permanently on and the driver has no control over it. The NSXs AWD is the best compromise as far as where they put the engine. Front mounted V10 and RWD is going to have the car way off balance end of story.

I'm sure Honda will produce a 6speed version, but I guarantee you anyone who will be road racing this car is going to opt for the 8 speed DSG because it'll be faster. Not to mention, the car is still 2 years from being released.

[sisforsurfing]

Clean, have you ever driven a car without ABS? Or a car with more than 250 whp? Fact is that ABS is better at modulating the pedal than your right foot is. Again, fact. i agree with you that i want to shift with my hands AND feet, but only the misinformed or the truly old school think no ABS is a good thing on street cars. This is all null and void for race cars or anything that sees dirt and gravel.

I trust that Honda is going to make this a phenomenal car. That's also the best sounding V10 I've ever heard!

[Dave]

Originally Posted by sisforsurfing

Clean, have you ever driven a car without ABS? Or a car with more than 250 whp? Fact is that ABS is better at modulating the pedal than your right foot is. Again, fact. i agree with you that i want to shift with my hands AND feet, but only the misinformed or the truly old school think no ABS is a good thing on street cars. This is all null and void for race cars or anything that sees dirt and gravel.

I trust that Honda is going to make this a phenomenal car. That's also the best sounding V10 I've ever heard!

my nsx makes 270 and i have abs and tcs removed. drives much better that way. i agree with alex 100% on this. no stick shift and electronic nannies just erase driver skill and make it easy for someone who has no business handling that much power to drive it. im not intrested in the least by this "replacement" at least i know that when lotus finishes the new esprit it wont be a bitch car

[sisforsurfing]

Fair enough, you're completely justified in saying so because you actually have those things ;) I still am firm a believer in ABS for the shortest, most consistent stops on tarmac... and I drive a Subaru with hyperactive, early engaging ABS. I don't drive a car with TCS and in concept think it's for the limp wristed and underskilled, but I've never driven a car with as much power as this car will make so I'm not in the position to talk sh!!.

Honda's going to outfit this car with every available technology to make their next supercar as fast and accessible as possible. I fully encourage them in doing so because it's progress, and the only way they're going to compete. As long as they can be switched off and doesn't weigh extra it's all good.

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by SovXietday

So turn traction control off? You act like it's permanently on and the driver has no control over it. The NSXs AWD is the best compromise as far as where they put the engine. Front mounted V10 and RWD is going to have the car way off balance end of story.

I'm sure Honda will produce a 6speed version, but I guarantee you anyone who will be road racing this car is going to opt for the 8 speed DSG because it'll be faster. Not to mention, the car is still 2 years from being released.

On a lot of these newer cars, with traction control "off" its still not completely off, ive experimented with quite a few and thats just what I found, it lets you have a LITTLE fun but once it senses you are having too much it stops you.

I just dont want a nanny in my sports car, I guess im a "purist" as they say, but I can understand why some people would think otherwise. It kinda reminds me of the "muscle" cars we have now that are offered in a v6 and v8. The v6 models are good for people who just want to look good, the v8 ones are the ones for enthusiasts. To each their own I guess. I can see why Honda would outfit this car with every technological bit possible, they have to compete with the GTR.

This is why I like the Mazda Miata, MR2, Ariel Atom, etc. they are just honest sports cars.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

On a lot of these newer cars, with traction control "off" its still not completely off, ive experimented with quite a few and thats just what I found, it lets you have a LITTLE fun but once it senses you are having too much it stops you.

I just dont want a nanny in my sports car, I guess im a "purist" as they say, but I can understand why some people would think otherwise. It kinda reminds me of the "muscle" cars we have now that are offered in a v6 and v8. The v6 models are good for people who just want to look good, the v8 ones are the ones for enthusiasts. To each their own I guess. I can see why Honda would outfit this car with every technological bit possible, they have to compete with the GTR.

This is why I like the Mazda Miata, MR2, Ariel Atom, etc. they are just honest sports cars.

or if they are sneaky like ford au the v8 is for the posers and the I6 is where its at

[Shoolig]

Originally Posted by sisforsurfing

That's also the best sounding V10 I've ever heard!

It doesn't sound bad don't get me wrong- but it's no Carrera GT...

[Signatus230]

Mazda Miata, MR2, Ariel Atom

Eh, can't really attach Ariel Atom to that, haha.

For this particular car, and for the price range it will most likely be in, then TCS, etc are a nice option to have for those that want to own, not just drive it. We just want to drive it, which to me, is different from owning the car, as in taking care of it, not ripping on it all the time, etc. Sure the occasional track day / hard driving day, but we are acting like TCS and AWD is a bad thing.

[Renegade_]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

I just dont want a nanny in my sports car, I guess im a "purist" as they say, but I can understand why some people would think otherwise. It kinda reminds me of the "muscle" cars we have now that are offered in a v6 and v8.

Says the individual who put a side exit on a civic, said his neon was a good "tuning" base when he was selling it, put heavier than stock wheels on his civic, asked about drag radials on his civic, and... I think I could go on but thats all I remember now. Purist?

Do you consider a grand national a muscle car? You really have to think these things through a little more.

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

Says the individual who put a side exit on a civic, said his neon was a good "tuning" base when he was selling it, put heavier than stock wheels on his civic, asked about drag radials on his civic, and... I think I could go on but thats all I remember now. Purist?

Do you consider a grand national a muscle car? You really have to think these things through a little more.

Neon was a good tuning base, go read up some history on it, and how it demolished its competition on the track when it was introduced. Dont clutter this thread, there is a proper one for that.

[cmr076]

we have a 600hp saleen that practically lives at our shop (that has had its traction control removed) and that thing is no fun to try and drive it civilly... i would rather have it any day