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Old 06-27-2008, 01:12 AM   #41
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well if thats the case, save your 550 and do it right, custom fabbing doesnt always work espcially when its DIY. take your time do it the way it was meant to be done and not what comes the fastest. Cars are like women, they dont want you to do it fast they want you to do it right otherwise they complain.
LOL best explanation ive heard so far
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Subarus are MAP based.
Wut? N/A EJ25s are but to the best of my knowledge... All STis and WRXs are MAF.....
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haha my bad its late. dont listen to me i dont know anything lol
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haha my bad its late. dont listen to me i dont know anything lol
Keith, I just soaked and processed all of the info you gave me, and actually had a thought process in my mind....now it can all go to ****??

I hate having a car that I dont know what to do with.
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:34 AM   #45
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The key to doing anything is read read read and really understand. I would say I have done 95% of my installs and the rest was with guys who taught me the things I didnt know. TST has plenty of guys who know very very well how to work with turbo cars. Turbo cars are very picky and when you mess up its a train wreck.

but when you have a completely stock car there is one way to go about it. Open up your pipes, direct air to where it should be and make sure your car isnt struggling to do what you want, the second your car struggles is the second that it kicks you in the nuts for making it do it.

Stock turbos can create decent fun power, and cars naturally are detuned from the factory.

the new GTR is making almost 500 stock imagine what a few pounds of boost and proper flow for creating more power can do.

Also take into consideration your biggest power gain wont be allowing for more boost but more or less creating room for the air mass created to move freely out allowing more in its place. Cooling is also a big factor, luckly for you, your car comes with a FMIC. Although small its still upfront. Thats better than most Subie guys can say.
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The key to doing anything is read read read and really understand. I would say I have done 95% of my installs and the rest was with guys who taught me the things I didnt know. TST has plenty of guys who know very very well how to work with turbo cars. Turbo cars are very picky and when you mess up its a train wreck.

but when you have a completely stock car there is one way to go about it. Open up your pipes, direct air to where it should be and make sure your car isnt struggling to do what you want, the second your car struggles is the second that it kicks you in the nuts for making it do it.

Stock turbos can create decent fun power, and cars naturally are detuned from the factory.

the new GTR is making almost 500 stock imagine what a few pounds of boost and proper flow for creating more power can do.

Also take into consideration your biggest power gain wont be allowing for more boost but more or less creating room for the air mass created to move freely out allowing more in its place. Cooling is also a big factor, luckly for you, your car comes with a FMIC. Although small its still upfront. Thats better than most Subie guys can say.
Yea my intake is a maze, and i hear exhaust opens up some power too. stock tune sucks, if anything I will get a tune just to change around how power is delivered, you just get a big lump of power at 5000, but the turbo is fully spooled way sooner....ilikerice can explain way better
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Keith, I just soaked and processed all of the info you gave me, and actually had a thought process in my mind....now it can all go to ****??

I hate having a car that I dont know what to do with.
Here is what you should do with the car...

Nice brake pads and some sticky tires. This will get you stopping and turning faster than you think. Throw some RT615s or RE01Rs on that bitch and you'll be amazed.

Save up money for a TBE and an EBC. A EBC not to turn the boost up, but to compensate if the stock turbo creeps at all after you put a TBE on it and to actually see how much you are running all the time. Since your injectors are tiny any kind of boost increase is huge in terms of reaching maximum operating threshold of the injectors (you said they were like 2xxcc?). If you want to turn this thing into a rocket you need injectors and then in turn you need a tune and that I don't think is the path you want to go right now.

TBE (you'll be saving for a while), and get to learn to drive the car. RWD turbo is fun, trust me, I know. But there is also a certain practicality you have to approach your car with and realize stock turbo limitations when accounting for everything else on the car, like lack of fueling.

Could my stock T28 in my car run 17psi? Yes. Should I do that? No, because I've already crept that high and misfired - which is NOT something you want to do and it won't last long at all. I turned the boost back down to 14-15 psi because I realize practical limitations. As of right now, I think people are saying take your car in stride.

I was having the same kind of giddyness about my first boosted car too, but when you realize how little power it takes to break loose wheels and do some sliding action... Now I just wait for the rain to come out and have fun. 190whp on a car like that would be plenty in the rain. Hell, I turn my car down to like 12psi when I take it out because thats all I need to break loose 245s in the back. Have some driving fun - don't try to make it a rocket in a straight line just yet, because thats a LOT of money.

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Yea my intake is a maze, and i hear exhaust opens up some power too. stock tune sucks, if anything I will get a tune just to change around how power is delivered, you just get a big lump of power at 5000, but the turbo is fully spooled way sooner....ilikerice can explain way better
Exhaust will open up a ton, dont worry about the tune yet - in all honesty you could probably smooth out performance with an SAFC if the ECU doesn't have the smarts to learn around it. Just get somebody to help you with it.

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Keith, I just soaked and processed all of the info you gave me, and actually had a thought process in my mind....now it can all go to ****??

I hate having a car that I dont know what to do with.
Look at how many times i've tried something just to add what little HP I could get from it. Very few cars on TST have made transitions mine has. Personally right now outside of an obvious re-tune for little things my car is at its pinnacle. 300 or so WHP feels great and the suspension can hold the power perfectly. Balance is also important. I'm sure plenty of people have been building and tuning Miatas for some time now. The info be it here or somewhere else has to be there. Find out what did and didnt work and see.
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Look at how many times i've tried something just to add what little HP I could get from it. Very few cars on TST have made transitions mine has. Personally right now outside of an obvious re-tune for little things my car is at its pinnacle. 300 or so WHP feels great and the suspension can hold the power perfectly. Balance is also important. I'm sure plenty of people have been building and tuning Miatas for some time now. The info be it here or somewhere else has to be there. Find out what did and didnt work and see.
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This is what you should try to create.

Well you figure if it wasnt so important BMW would have went out of business years ago lol.
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Well I love the car the way it is now. Its not fast enough for me to kill myself or anyone else, but its still quick enough to put some cocky assholes into their place..hell I bet the car would be just about neck to neck with the new Civic Si in a straight line, and in the corners its just perfect.

The thing is, the car is already balanced so well that I dont know if its worth my while to upgrade anything but the tires on it. The engine is peppy and torquey, the gearing is short, its RWD, and a convertible...I cant really ask for more.

Just gotta wait and see, I still havent come close to pushing the limits of the car, need a track for that.
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Well you figure if it wasnt so important BMW would have went out of business years ago lol.
Aye, this is true. Creating balance is hard as hell, my car is all sorts out of wack. Brake bias is all ****ed up, tires suck, wiring issues = bogging/hesitation issues, the list goes on...

You want to know what car that did have balance though? My old RS. Rear sway bar and coilovers and jesus christ that thing was predictable front to back and I knew what it was going to do under every situation. How much whp did it have? <100whp.

You don't need a lot of money to make a car that is balanced and a blast to drive. Throw some swaybars on the miata and see what it does for you... That is usually a really weak link for a lot of cars.
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Susie's car is another example of that. Her SOHC 2.5 4 speed auto with just springs and swaybars feels more solid than my own car. Even if her car is only making 110 whp it still powers through a turn with all of it. Even though my car has a great balance I cant go WOT into a turn without taking half of it sideways lol.

Like everyone is saying, take your time build it up right you will be happy when all you have to do is turn the key and drive.
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Susie's car is another example of that. Her SOHC 2.5 4 speed auto with just springs and swaybars feels more solid than my own car. Even if her car is only making 110 whp it still powers through a turn with all of it. Even though my car has a great balance I cant go WOT into a turn without taking half of it sideways lol.

Like everyone is saying, take your time build it up right you will be happy when all you have to do is turn the key and drive.
Well this is the thing. The car is quick enough for me to not get bored with it, and handles very well. Ive had it on ramps at speeds where its just not comfortable anymore and im out of the seat leaning into the door panel with my hip. I have no issues passing people even at low speed in high gear, and I never have to put my foot all the way to the floor to get the power I want.

Can it handle better? Yes, I'm sure. Can it make more power? Absolutely. However, the more I think about it, I think "Do I really need more?"

3 weeks with the car and I havent been bored once, I havent found a single situation where it performs worse than how I expect it to. Right now, modding it just seems like throwing money away because I cant even get close to pushing the limit anywhere Ive driven.
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I'm at 195 rwhp and the car feels more balanced that it did when it was stock. Boost builds quicker and it is easier to modulate the throttle. Throw on the Koni adjustable coilovers and 20mm wider rubber and the car's handling is improved further even over the stock setup, which was great to begin with. Once you start pushing past 230 rwhp is when you'll notice that the power begins to take precedent over the chassis. Those who have never driven perfectly balanced underpowered cars, such as the Miata, won't understand what I'm trying to convey, though.
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I'm at 195 rwhp and the car feels more balanced that it did when it was stock. Boost builds quicker and it is easier to modulate the throttle. Throw on the Koni adjustable coilovers and 20mm wider rubber and the car's handling is improved further even over the stock setup, which was great to begin with. Once you start pushing past 230 rwhp is when you'll notice that the power begins to take precedent over the chassis. Those who have never driven perfectly balanced underpowered cars, such as the Miata, won't understand what I'm trying to convey, though.
LOL I think every car enthusiast should drive a miata at least once in their life...if it doesnt make them smile, they dont know cars.
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LOL I think every car enthusiast should drive a miata at least once in their life...if it doesnt make them smile, they dont know cars.
I have to admit, A friend of mine and I pitted a soltice to a regular Miata while no one was around one night at Reedmans and had alot of fun in both.
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Aye, this is true. Creating balance is hard as hell, my car is all sorts out of wack. Brake bias is all ****ed up, tires suck, wiring issues = bogging/hesitation issues, the list goes on...

You want to know what car that did have balance though? My old RS. Rear sway bar and coilovers and jesus christ that thing was predictable front to back and I knew what it was going to do under every situation. How much whp did it have? <100whp.

You don't need a lot of money to make a car that is balanced and a blast to drive. Throw some swaybars on the miata and see what it does for you... That is usually a really weak link for a lot of cars.
Yes. I feel it everytime I drive it, goddam. Its so much fun, its awesome. All I intend to do is 4 / 2 pots, front sway... then we'll see.

Anyway Alex, just take your time. I was semi-forced with my last car, and goddam that was a mistake. Take your time, enjoy it, and don't go broke. Much.

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