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SexyDSM95 · 07-31-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster

No no last thing you want to do when he gets like that is try and touch him period. You have like this whole millisecond when you might have a chance.

Trust me...my dog use to bite and break skin. He is not small either. You are lucky enough your dog is small enough that you can do this. And if he tries to pee on you, then let him try (just do this outside lol). I see the huge problem now having higher authority undermine what you are telling him does suck. Think of a child, if Dad says "No" and Mom always says "Yes", then of course the child is always going to run to Mom and listen to Mom. Susie if you need help and *have* to give Frankie away I want first dibs on him!

Erik · 07-31-2007, 10:18 AM

I have 2 small dogs, a bishon and miniature yorkee, and what we do to keep them from ****ting and pissing in the house is we give them dog treats whenever they go outside. If they do **** or piss inside, then we scold them for it with just a yelling.but normally they go into their bed things when they do that.

Maybe that can stop the going inside problem. As for the attitude..i dont know. My bishon sunk a tooth into my arm and i hit her on the nose cuz i was pissed and she never bit me again.

Buster · 07-31-2007, 10:21 AM

lets clarify the going in the house thing.... He rarely goes in the house at all. Hes very good with it. Sometimes you know it just happens.

Unless you get him upset and he just loses control of everything, he screams and lets loose all over the place.

Snoozie · 07-31-2007, 10:23 AM

Going to the bathroom in the house isnt the problem. He is excellent about going out. The only time he will go in the house is if he is mad at us or upset. I really dont want to get rid of him. Liz gave me a # for a lady that does at home aggression training. But, I see no way for that to work. 1. It will be crazy expensive and 2. The other dogs....

SexyDSM95 · 07-31-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BluMeanie

Going to the bathroom in the house isnt the problem. He is excellent about going out. The only time he will go in the house is if he is mad at us or upset. I really dont want to get rid of him. Liz gave me a # for a lady that does at home aggression training. But, I see no way for that to work. 1. It will be crazy expensive and 2. The other dogs....

Not only that...but remember you have other people in the house that encourage behavior that you disprove of. But because you can't be around him 24/7 you cannot totally eliminate it. Is there any way to maybe crate him when you or Keith are not around?

Snoozie · 07-31-2007, 10:31 AM

He is crate trained. All I have to say is "go to bed" and he is in there. BUT I dont know how to stop them from letting him out when Im not there. I say dont let him out if Im not here and when I get home, he is out. His cage is in the living room where everyone always is. So if he is in his cage and the other dogs are running around he gets upset, so they let him out instead of hearing him bark. Im starting to realize more and more that my parents are a huge part of the problem.

markley02 · 07-31-2007, 10:33 AM

I really agree with Sandra about the collar thing, but I would do shock collar instead of a choker. That way you don't have to be in that close of range.

Buster · 07-31-2007, 10:33 AM

thats what we do, but when some one is there we feel bad because he spent like half his life in the kennel and then a huge part of it with us, hes very good with the kennel too, he just throws tantrums.

What were trying to say is hes a very good lovey dog. Hes nice to have around because hes very affectionate but its just the little thing thats very serious. I'm just worried that this could happen while we aren't there.

Renegade_ · 07-31-2007, 10:34 AM

As people said before, he sees you as an equal - not his superior. Sometimes with very pack oriented dogs the males get very very dominant and sometimes even attempt to place themselves above the human in the pack. What we've had to do before is physically wrestle the dog down and pin him down showing that you are the dominant being over him. I highly doubt your dog is as pack oriented as ours are so I don't know if that would be necessary. I've seen your dog at FW before and I know that his size isn't really all that big so I don't think this method would be problematic at all if you wanted to do it this way.

No matter how many fits he throws you have to keep reprimanding him every single time he does it or else he will know that he can just throw a fit and get away with it. Classical conditioning at it's finest (See: Pavlov)

blu4door · 07-31-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BluMeanie

He is crate trained. All I have to say is "go to bed" and he is in there. BUT I dont know how to stop them from letting him out when Im not there. I say dont let him out if Im not here and when I get home, he is out. His cage is in the living room where everyone always is. So if he is in his cage and the other dogs are running around he gets upset, so they let him out instead of hearing him bark. Im starting to realize more and more that my parents are a huge part of the problem.

Yeah, there is no way you are gonna be able to train him if he is getting pulled in 2 different directions. Its like he has 2 sets of rules to go by. One for you and one for your parents, but it isn't going to work that way.

SexyDSM95 · 07-31-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BluMeanie

He is crate trained. All I have to say is "go to bed" and he is in there. BUT I dont know how to stop them from letting him out when Im not there. I say dont let him out if Im not here and when I get home, he is out. His cage is in the living room where everyone always is. So if he is in his cage and the other dogs are running around he gets upset, so they let him out instead of hearing him bark. Im starting to realize more and more that my parents are a huge part of the problem.

Any way to stick him in your room and lock the door? When I use to have my blue-tick beagle he was the same way. In a household with two other dogs and myself and the ex would just stick his crate in his room and put a towel over it. But then again, his parents were also very respectful in how we wanted to train him and would not interfere.

Buster · 07-31-2007, 10:35 AM

I dont mind him being out while we arent there, thats perfectly fine if they make him behave how hes supposed to. No one pays any attention to the animals at all, they have freer roam of the house then the people do.

turbo4g63 · 07-31-2007, 10:36 AM

just have the dog put down....b/c he was abused, he'll never be the same, it will always be tempermental like that

SexyDSM95 · 07-31-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by turbo4g63

just have the dog put down....b/c he was abused, he'll never be the same, it will always be tempermental like that

I hope you are joking...because if you are not you could not be anymore wrong and you probably follow the crowd that all pit bulls are harmful and should be put down as well.

Buster · 07-31-2007, 10:37 AM

Im sure it would be fine to stick him in the room all day it just feels horrible to do that to him, even though hes an idiot hes not stupid. he knows that the other dogs are out there playing and stuff.

Snoozie · 07-31-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by markley02

I really agree with Sandra about the collar thing, but I would do shock collar instead of a choker. That way you don't have to be in that close of range.

I thought about getting a shock collar. We had one for our lab, but it didnt seem to affect him at any setting. I just feel kinda bad doing it.

Buster · 07-31-2007, 10:38 AM

I wont ever have another dog put down unless hes suffering. If its a matter of we just have a bad home for him, i would rather him go somewhere he can be cared for right.

SexyDSM95 · 07-31-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Buster

I dont mind him being out while we arent there, thats perfectly fine if they make him behave how hes supposed to. No one pays any attention to the animals at all, they have freer roam of the house then the people do.

And that could be the biggest reason for him lashing out. No one corrects his "pack" so why should you and Susie be able to correct him?

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Originally Posted by Buster

Im sure it would be fine to stick him in the room all day it just feels horrible to do that to him, even though hes an idiot hes not stupid. he knows that the other dogs are out there playing and stuff.

I know he is not stupid but you have obvious conflicts in obedience training. You need to be repetitive and consistent. As soon as you lack, the dog lacks. Just trying to give you guys different ideas and how you can control Frankie's environment so you don't get the disruptions.

Buster · 07-31-2007, 10:42 AM

Well then I guess its up to you Susie, you want to give him another shot and keep him in the room while we are gone? I guess were going to have to start taking him everywhere again too.

BradC · 07-31-2007, 11:10 AM

Not too sound like a dick (which always prefaces sounding like a dick, lol), but maybe you shouldn't buy another animal until you have your own place, with your own rules (full-time) to raise the dog in. You can't train anything (kid, dog, cat, whatever) if you don't have consistency.

Also, I agree with Renegade. Show that dog whos boss. Next time he starts to flip out, grab him, and hold his muzzle down so he can't try to bite. It will piss him off bigtime, but also let him know you aren't ****ing around.

Don't hit him though, that doesn't do any good. He needs to know you are boss, but not fear you.

07-31-2007, 10:18 AM	#22
Erik Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2006 Location: Glenside, PA Member #1962 My Ride: 2001 Audi A6 2.7 Twin Turbo iTrader: (4)	I have 2 small dogs, a bishon and miniature yorkee, and what we do to keep them from **ting and pissing in the house is we give them dog treats whenever they go outside. If they do ** or piss inside, then we scold them for it with just a yelling.but normally they go into their bed things when they do that. Maybe that can stop the going inside problem. As for the attitude..i dont know. My bishon sunk a tooth into my arm and i hit her on the nose cuz i was pissed and she never bit me again. __________________ --Eric '96 Mazda Miata \| FM V-Maxx Coilovers \| Jackson Racing Exhaust/Intake GONE To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. 01' Audi A6 2.7 Twin Turbo \| Daily \| NoMods

07-31-2007, 10:21 AM	#23
Buster TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Holland Pa Member #449 My Ride: 2008 Mustang GT/CS iTrader: (3)	lets clarify the going in the house thing.... He rarely goes in the house at all. Hes very good with it. Sometimes you know it just happens. Unless you get him upset and he just loses control of everything, he screams and lets loose all over the place. __________________ III To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

07-31-2007, 10:23 AM	#24
Snoozie Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2006 Member #1887 iTrader: (0)	Going to the bathroom in the house isnt the problem. He is excellent about going out. The only time he will go in the house is if he is mad at us or upset. I really dont want to get rid of him. Liz gave me a # for a lady that does at home aggression training. But, I see no way for that to work. 1. It will be crazy expensive and 2. The other dogs.... __________________ Ya take 'em off. "Everyone learns faster on fire." - Alkaline Trio

07-31-2007, 10:31 AM	#26
Snoozie Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2006 Member #1887 iTrader: (0)	He is crate trained. All I have to say is "go to bed" and he is in there. BUT I dont know how to stop them from letting him out when Im not there. I say dont let him out if Im not here and when I get home, he is out. His cage is in the living room where everyone always is. So if he is in his cage and the other dogs are running around he gets upset, so they let him out instead of hearing him bark. Im starting to realize more and more that my parents are a huge part of the problem. __________________ Ya take 'em off. "Everyone learns faster on fire." - Alkaline Trio

07-31-2007, 10:33 AM	#27
markley02 Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Mommy and Daddy’s House Member #390 My Ride: 05 Honda Odessey iTrader: (0)	I really agree with Sandra about the collar thing, but I would do shock collar instead of a choker. That way you don't have to be in that close of range. __________________ Pwned Dumb ass for not changing my password. I lied about everything. All of it. I owned some great cars because my ex wife dedicated her life to me. I treated her like total sh, because my dk was more important in a back door than she was! She divorced me, and I deserved it! I am into drugs and Motorcycles, guns and especially my bff Brandon To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. and girls that look just like my mother Pronouns: they, them. hyper-sexual narcissist. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

07-31-2007, 10:34 AM	#29
Renegade_ Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2006 Location: NNJ/NYC Member #1912 My Ride: 1J Swaggon iTrader: (2)	As people said before, he sees you as an equal - not his superior. Sometimes with very pack oriented dogs the males get very very dominant and sometimes even attempt to place themselves above the human in the pack. What we've had to do before is physically wrestle the dog down and pin him down showing that you are the dominant being over him. I highly doubt your dog is as pack oriented as ours are so I don't know if that would be necessary. I've seen your dog at FW before and I know that his size isn't really all that big so I don't think this method would be problematic at all if you wanted to do it this way. No matter how many fits he throws you have to keep reprimanding him every single time he does it or else he will know that he can just throw a fit and get away with it. Classical conditioning at it's finest (See: Pavlov) __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

07-31-2007, 10:35 AM	#32
Buster TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Holland Pa Member #449 My Ride: 2008 Mustang GT/CS iTrader: (3)	I dont mind him being out while we arent there, thats perfectly fine if they make him behave how hes supposed to. No one pays any attention to the animals at all, they have freer roam of the house then the people do. __________________ III To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

07-31-2007, 10:36 AM	#33
turbo4g63 Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: near west chester Member #1057 My Ride: 98' 4runner iTrader: (0)	just have the dog put down....b/c he was abused, he'll never be the same, it will always be tempermental like that __________________ Bill If you guys see a possum...try to kill it, it's not a pet!

07-31-2007, 10:37 AM	#35
Buster TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Holland Pa Member #449 My Ride: 2008 Mustang GT/CS iTrader: (3)	Im sure it would be fine to stick him in the room all day it just feels horrible to do that to him, even though hes an idiot hes not stupid. he knows that the other dogs are out there playing and stuff. __________________ III To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

07-31-2007, 10:38 AM	#37
Buster TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Holland Pa Member #449 My Ride: 2008 Mustang GT/CS iTrader: (3)	I wont ever have another dog put down unless hes suffering. If its a matter of we just have a bad home for him, i would rather him go somewhere he can be cared for right. __________________ III To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

07-31-2007, 10:42 AM	#39
Buster TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Holland Pa Member #449 My Ride: 2008 Mustang GT/CS iTrader: (3)	Well then I guess its up to you Susie, you want to give him another shot and keep him in the room while we are gone? I guess were going to have to start taking him everywhere again too. __________________ III To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

07-31-2007, 11:10 AM	#40
BradC Tri-State Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hatfield, PA Member #1083 My Ride: Boosted NA/2000 SAAB 9-5 iTrader: (1)	Not too sound like a dick (which always prefaces sounding like a dick, lol), but maybe you shouldn't buy another animal until you have your own place, with your own rules (full-time) to raise the dog in. You can't train anything (kid, dog, cat, whatever) if you don't have consistency. Also, I agree with Renegade. Show that dog whos boss. Next time he starts to flip out, grab him, and hold his muzzle down so he can't try to bite. It will piss him off bigtime, but also let him know you aren't ****ing around. Don't hit him though, that doesn't do any good. He needs to know you are boss, but not fear you. __________________ 1991 Silverstone Miata BP swap, GT28, Flex, etc, etc...

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