E46 M3 or E92 335i??

[///MpoweredM]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

A little lag, yes. HOWEVER, the powerband feels similar to that of the M3's (in my world terms). The M's have a bit more mid range, but hardly anything that stands out. I'm sure I could post dyno graphs, which I will do later to actually incorporate FACTS in to your jibberish.



I agree about the first year car thing, however, I'd like to see proof that all of these cars that you personally know are "blowing up".



A BIT BETTER. Hardly much of a difference. I agree it's a BIT BETTER, but nothing that would bother me.



The old M3's are outdated. Sorry, it's just how it happened. The new M3 will be MUCH BETTER and superior though if it makes you feel better. As to "tuned to the max", proof???? I highly doubt you could present that.



uhhhhhh, HATER


Most ANYTHING that comes stock with a poweradder is going to be cheaper to mod. You DID just mention having to buy a blower for the M3, RIGHT????



Wow, and you seem real knowledgeable

ALL I KNOW is that I sure am glad that there are plenty of M owners to make up for your shortcomings.

LOL, your a fvcking dumbass. Who pays sticker for their cars. LMAO. a car is a depreciating asset. I have in's with BMW unlike you bud. I drove both cars before switching out of my E90. I'm sorry to tell you, the Z4M Coupe Slaughters the 335i, Accel, speed, twisties. I really hope you buy the car, and i guess since I am not very knowlegdable on BMW products. In your statement you should Either Beat me, or keep up with me. 20K less? I dont think so. Am i upset I spent 10K more than I could have on a 335, no. The clutch is flimsy just like in my E90, but I notice it even more now. Same with the trans. You can sit there all day long and tell me how stupid I am and blah blah blah. Whatever you say. I have owned 4 times the amount of cars you have, and BMW has been in my family for years. I have driven many cars. Would I buy another BMW non M car, NO, unless it was an SAV like an X5 or something. I am trying to give you a bit of advice that will save you headaches after you buy the car. Its a first year car, things will break, they have glitches. 2 major ones right now are Engine Blowing up and Overheating.

What was the case when the S54 engine was introduced the first 2 years... Everyone was blowing up their Sh*t...

So back to the point. S54 6 year running, won awards, now a Proooooven Power plant, flawless and bullet proof, in an e46 body that has also been around for years (timeless design) and all the glitches have been taken car of

Or a new twin turbo engine with new technology, that NO ONE has done a long term test on for reliablity yet. Who knows what will happen.

Heres a bit of insider info. 11 of the E92 twin turbo engines that have been tested, Only one car has some decent miles on it. 28,792 to be exact, Tested in the USA in the desert. the other 10 test mules are under 7K miles. hmmmmmmmmm

But since I dont know anything.... please buy the car. its an awsome car for the daily driver and it looks good. Its the hot new thing...

Also let me know how your modding is going...

[///MpoweredM]

for the record, since you said I paid so much more for my car...



...Money for me is not an issue, I buy cars like you buy groceries...

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by ///MpoweredM

for the record, since you said I paid so much more for my car...



...Money for me is not an issue, I buy cars like you buy groceries...

Sorry were not all as rich as you

Originally Posted by ///MpoweredM

LOL, your a fvcking dumbass. Who pays sticker for their cars. LMAO. a car is a depreciating asset. I have in's with BMW unlike you bud. I drove both cars before switching out of my E90.

Nobody that I know, THE EXACT REASON I STATED THE 335 COULD BE HAD FOR EVEN CHEAPER THAN THE STICKER I POSTED

I'm sorry to tell you, the Z4M Coupe Slaughters the 335i, Accel, speed, twisties. I really hope you buy the car, and i guess since I am not very knowlegdable on BMW products. In your statement you should Either Beat me, or keep up with me. 20K less? I dont think so.

I never said it performed BETTER, I said it performs as good for 20 grand LESS

Am i upset I spent 10K more than I could have on a 335, no.

Of course not, you probably have like 20 lamborghinis too

I have owned 4 times the amount of cars you have, and BMW has been in my family for years. I have driven many cars. Would I buy another BMW non M car, NO, unless it was an SAV like an X5 or something.

congrats on having your own mini dealership

1I am trying to give you a bit of advice that will save you headaches after you buy the car. Its a first year car, things will break, they have glitches.

I guess you lack in the reading comprehension. Maybe you should try READING what I had typed, and you would see that I agree with you

Heres a bit of insider info. 11 of the E92 twin turbo engines that have been tested, Only one car has some decent miles on it. 28,792 to be exact, Tested in the USA in the desert. the other 10 test mules are under 7K miles. hmmmmmmmmm

THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THE FIRST YEAR MODEL THING THAT I AGREE'D WITH MULTIPLE TIMES, huh?

But since I dont know anything....

That about sums it up, now stop being butt hurt over the new badass 335. If you would have stated and kept your post at, "I wouldn't buy the new 335 because of first year model, engine problems, yadda yadda yadda", you wouldn't have come off like such a moron ;) . Now you just sound like an arrogant know it all, who doesn't know anything. CONGRATS.

[///MpoweredM]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

Sorry were not all as rich as you



Nobody that I know, THE EXACT REASON I STATED THE 335 COULD BE HAD FOR EVEN CHEAPER THAN THE STICKER I POSTED



I never said it performed BETTER, I said it performs as good for 20 grand LESS

I can set up a weekend drive for you at the BMW performance Center (drive any BMW cars you want) and then when you get back. You tell me HOW close in performance the E46 M is to the 335i... ok? lmao...


Of course not, you probably have like 20 lamborghinis too



congrats on having your own mini dealership



I guess you lack in the reading comprehension. Maybe you should try READING what I had typed, and you would see that I agree with you



THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THE FIRST YEAR MODEL THING THAT I AGREE'D WITH MULTIPLE TIMES, huh?




That about sums it up, now stop being butt hurt over the new badass 335. If you would have stated and kept your post at, "I wouldn't buy the new 335 because of first year model, engine problems, yadda yadda yadda", you wouldn't have come off like such a moron ;) . Now you just sound like an arrogant know it all, who doesn't know anything. CONGRATS.

You got it. Im justing going to agree with you on everything...

Next time, dont mention a car (m3) that you wont beable to afford to make yourself feel better...


Dumb Fvck...


If youd like i can set up a free weekend for you at the SC performance center to compare the 2 cars.. When you get back, tell me how close in performace the M is to the 335i, ok?? lmao...

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by ///MpoweredM

Next time, dont mention a car (m3) that you wont beable to afford to make yourself feel better...
Dumb Fvck...

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!. Some day maybe you'll give me some of your fortune

I can only dream of having your baller status by purchasing one $50,000 car

[AW330Ci]

Whoa! This thread took a turn for the worst.
I know MpoweredM, he knows his stuff. I ran into him a while back, when I was purchasing my 330Ci. He knows more about BMW than the people who build them. LOL.

[TurboTagTeam]

To the OP--

I'd stick with the M3. It's an awesome car. I'v put a couple thousand miles on my brothers M3 and I love it. I'd defiantly buy one if I decided to get into a car loan again.

The only reason I'd steer clear of the new TT 3 series is because they just came out. THere is defiantly gonna some time before aftermarket parts become avaliable and before all the factory re-calls are conducted.

[LSHatch]

Originally Posted by ///MpoweredM

If youd like i can set up a free weekend for you at the SC performance center to compare the 2 cars.. When you get back, tell me how close in performace the M is to the 335i, ok?? lmao...

You can set up a weekend for me to drive your car, since I absolutely love it. I am a huge fan of the old M Coupe though. I love the huge fender flares in the back...

[ITSTOCK]

The dyno graphs

We will start with a car with turbo lag, followed by the M3 and the 335

(take notice it's flat, than drastically ramps up and levels out)


They are obviously on different scales, but it's also obvious that the two curves aren't all that different ;)

TUNED E46 M3


STOCK 335 (take notice it is a steady climb NO TURBO LAG).

[ITSTOCK]

I'd like to get my hands on the two files and overlay to show that in comparison to the M3, the 335 does in fact have an extremely similar curve (hence, you shouldn't feel that turbo lag if you don't notice the high revving (relative) M's inline 6).

Again, I agree the only reason to steer clear is first year. It's just amusing to watch the previous generation M owners to get their panties in a bunch because there's something new out, that competes (and does some things BETTER) compared to their "M" cars.

[TurboTagTeam]

I've heard that the old Mcoupe's were horrible cars. I don't know why, but I just allways remember people saying how horrible those cars were.

My neighboor used to have an M roadster. He let me drive it once, that was an awesome car.

[LSHatch]

Originally Posted by TurboTagTeam

I've heard that the old Mcoupe's were horrible cars. I don't know why, but I just allways remember people saying how horrible those cars were.

I've heard bad and lots of good too. I just love how they look and with the 315hp, it's a really quick car.

[AW330Ci]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

I'd like to get my hands on the two files and overlay to show that in comparison to the M3, the 335 does in fact have an extremely similar curve (hence, you shouldn't feel that turbo lag if you don't notice the high revving (relative) M's inline 6).

Again, I agree the only reason to steer clear is first year. It's just amusing to watch the previous generation M owners to get their panties in a bunch because there's something new out, that competes (and does some things BETTER) with their "M" cars.

I do not think he has his panties in a bunch. I think he was trying to say he has no faith in 1st year production's because him and his girlfriend just had the new E90's, both cars had issues. I recently also drove a 335i 6 speed. I know this car is a bit heavier than my car, but with my supercharger kit. My car def feels alot quicker. I too notice turbo lag up to the 2K range. So he is right about that, after the car has very linear power. But it does not have the "Smack you back into your seat" feel. The 335 is an awsome car, but I would stay clear the first year. I think you guys got off on the wrong foot, he is very smart and has a world of information stored in his head.

[AW330Ci]

Originally Posted by LSHatch

I've heard bad and lots of good too. I just love how they look and with the 315hp, it's a really quick car.

You guys are talking about the Old Z3M.

[LSHatch]

Originally Posted by AW330Ci

You guys are talking about the Old Z3M.

We know.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by AW330Ci

I do not think he has his panties in a bunch. I think he was trying to say he has no faith in 1st year production's because him and his girlfriend just had the new E90's, both cars had issues. I recently also drove a 335i 6 speed. I know this car is a bit heavier than my car, but with my supercharger kit. My car def feels alot quicker. I too notice turbo lag up to the 2K range. So he is right about that, after the car has very linear power. But it does not have the "Smack you back into your seat" feel. The 335 is an awsome car, but I would stay clear the first year. I think you guys got off on the wrong foot, he is very smart and has a world of information stored in his head.

I also think there is a bit of lag, but when compared to the curve and power in the M's, it's just about THE SAME (THE DYNO DOESN'T LIE, him making things up is a lie). I already said first year=no, other than that, AWESOME car. As I previously stated, same performance as the M3 for 20grand less.

[AW330Ci]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

I also think there is a bit of lag, but when compared to the curve and power in the M's, it's just about THE SAME (THE DYNO DOESN'T LIE, him making things up is a lie). I already said first year=no, other than that, AWESOME car. As I previously stated, same performance as the M3 for 20grand less.

When you say "Same Performace as the M3 for 20 Grand Less" You are way off. I don't see him making anything up tho. Also The M3 is Lighter By 160 LBS, the Spring Rate is harder on the M3 and softer on the 335, so in the cornering dept, the M3 will Rule. LSD for the M3 and No LSD for the 335. The M3 is bit more better balanced. The 335 feels alot softer than the M3. When I was in Germany Durnig the Summer, the 335i ran an 8 Minute 47 Second Lap around the Ring. A Non CSL M3 (Euro 343BPH) ran 8 Minutes 11 Seconds by the same Driver. That is a HUGE difference.

[ITSTOCK]

Sorry, substitue SIMILAR for some instances, SAME for others, and BETTER for yet a couple different things and you have what I was getting at.

I'll post some more FACTS for you and mpowerm to get ahold of

Nuburgring lap time:
1) M3: 8:22 minutes
2) C55: 8:22 minutes
3) 335i: 8:26 minutes

Hockenheim lap time:
1) M3: 1.17,6 minutes
2) 335i: 1.17.8 minutes
3) C55: 1.18,6 minutes
4) S4 Avant: 1.19,1 minutes

0-200-0 km/h
1) M3: 23.2 seconds
2) C55: 23.7 seconds
3) 335i: 26.3 seconds
4) S4 Avant: 26.4 seconds

Transverse acceleration:
1) 335i: 1.15 g
2) M3: 1.10 g
3) C55: 1.10 g
4) S4 Avant: 1.05 g

Slalom course (36m)
1) 335i: 136 km/h
2) M3: 123 km/h
3) C55: 122 km/h
4) S4 Avant: 121 km/h

Evasive course (110m)
1) 335i: 136 km/h
2) M3: 136 km/h
3) C55: 134 km/h
4) S4 Avant: 130 km/h

Total points indicative of the “overall assessment”
1) 335i: 45
2) M3: 44
3) C55: 42
4) S4 Avant: 37

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30140


Don't you hate when people post up actual data/information/facts instead of biased opinion?

[ITSTOCK]

I can post more cited examples also, give me a couple minutes.

[AW330Ci]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

Sorry, substitue SIMILAR for SAME and you have what I was getting at.

I think your definition of similar is your own idea you have. I think to most car enthusiast, people who track or auto X cars I think it might be a bit of a difference. A 36 Second difference on the Ring is 36 car lengths or about 550 Feet, thats 0.1 Mile. To me 36 Car lengths is a kill. And a good one.