Bates' 2012 Nissan Juke & 1987 300ZX

[TalonTsi97]

Originally Posted by Bates

Was supposed to get my front mount and some other **** done tomorrow but the flu has other plans. Pretty pissed about that. Maybe next week though.

In other upgrade news, ill be doing a BBK sooner then later. 370z 4 pots are bolt ons just need a special spacer to clear the LCA. Rear 2 pots fit 100%. I can get reman calipers pretty cheap too. All in all should be around 1000$ for a full 370z sport upgrade.

That will be pretty cool to see. A shame you won't be up PSI PRO tomorrow i was actually going to be swinging by.

[saxon]

Originally Posted by mr_eh

what makes them 'the best' specifically better than any autometer gauge?

the quality and its a lot more accurate

defi is $$ for a reason, you get what you pay for

[Bates]

Finally ordered my OEM clutch and pressure plate. They are being shipped right to Falcon Clutch Specialist to get a 4-puck ceramic upgrade. Can't wait to get them installed and to be able to hold 22 PSI.

Also ordered the special custom spacers I need for the front brake upgrade, and I should have the front calipers next week as well. Once I get my tax return, I will be ordering my new wheel/tire setup from PSI PRO.

Speaking of them, set a new date of the 9th of February to get the front mount started and some other stuff done. Also going to leave them the spare stock Juke turbo I picked up and see what they can do in terms of porting it and upgrading it.

Next couple of months will be busy but I am looking forward to them.

[Bates]

Small update: OEM clutch and PP finally shipped to Falcon, that only took 3 weeks. Had to set up another new date with PSI PRO since Winter Storm Nemo ruined my last plans. Will be going this weekend. Also got a stiffer spring for my BOV, hoping it will eliminate the flutter I get at lower RPMs.

Waiting to hear back on set of 370Z Akebono brakes, but the seller won't respond. Might end up biting the bullet and ordering a kit from Z1.

[Bates]

Intercooler isn't installed yet, but a lot was done today. Sneak peak:

[Godofelru]

If the intake manifold is anything like the B16 Spec V's it holds over 400whp easily and flows great.

I saw you put down 225whp & 241lb-ft, was the clutchs slipping at all? My clutch is still holding alright at 300whp/300lb-ft, but I know it's taking a beating and will need to be replaced soon.

You planning on fully building this thing + big turbo swap to hit the 400whp goal?

[Bates]

Originally Posted by Godofelru

If the intake manifold is anything like the B16 Spec V's it holds over 400whp easily and flows great.

I saw you put down 225whp & 241lb-ft, was the clutchs slipping at all? My clutch is still holding alright at 300whp/300lb-ft, but I know it's taking a beating and will need to be replaced soon.

You planning on fully building this thing + big turbo swap to hit the 400whp goal?

Clutch held on the dyno fine, slips on the street. New clutch will hold 400hp. A spare engine build will come when I find a spare engine. Big turbo I doubt though. There is no room for one.

[SikneSS]

not to be picky but aren't clutches rated for torque, not horsepower?


anywho, good see some updates on this build. i'm part of the small crowd that likes these vehicles. keep up the good work!!

[Bates]

Originally Posted by SikneSS

not to be picky but aren't clutches rated for torque, not horsepower?


anywho, good see some updates on this build. i'm part of the small crowd that likes these vehicles. keep up the good work!!

Thanks, and yea they are rated for torque, good call. I hop to be done with the Juke in terms of upgrades for this season by April or May. Wheels, more low, brake upgrade (at least the front), clutch, and IC. That's what I want done this season.

[Godofelru]

Originally Posted by Bates

Clutch held on the dyno fine, slips on the street. New clutch will hold 400hp. A spare engine build will come when I find a spare engine. Big turbo I doubt though. There is no room for one.

So are you saying you're planning on 400whp on the stock baby turbo?

[Bates]

Originally Posted by Godofelru

So are you saying you're planning on 400whp on the stock baby turbo?

Stock turbo yes, stock turbo internals no. 400 is a lofty goal on a stock block, I am asking for trouble since no one knows the limits of this engine yet. I'll set a safer goal of 325-350 for now. When I get a spare engine to build then I will start to go a little crazy, and I'll have a custom turbo manifold made so that I can mount a better turbo to it. Right now, that isn't an option, so upgrading the stock turbo so that it is a direct bolt on upgrade is the best way to go about this.

Again, the upgraded turbo won't be done until next Summer, but it is already something that is in the works.

So far after almost a year of owning this car, it has become a really fun and unique project. Yea I get plenty of "ugly" comments, doesn't bother me. Ugly gets noticed, ugly gets attention. I have it all going against me right now:
Ugly FWD car with a small engine and a small turbo lol. What can I say, I like an uphill battle.

In other news I might be buying (a shocker I know) another Z31 lol. Nothing fancy, a bone stock 85 N/A 5-speed model. Something cheap and reliable. It has some manageable mechanical issues (bad injector, bad master, exhaust leak) and some rear quarter rust, and it has the God awful digidash, but it does come with a Bitchin' Betty! I never had a Z with a working Betty. The deal isn't done yet, I still need to go over the car and make sure the rust situation isn't too bad. I am not buying anymore Z's with bad frame rails... Why did I ever sell my 86 lol.

[Godofelru]

Originally Posted by Bates

Stock turbo yes, stock turbo internals no. 400 is a lofty goal on a stock block, I am asking for trouble since no one knows the limits of this engine yet. I'll set a safer goal of 325-350 for now. When I get a spare engine to build then I will start to go a little crazy, and I'll have a custom turbo manifold made so that I can mount a better turbo to it. Right now, that isn't an option, so upgrading the stock turbo so that it is a direct bolt on upgrade is the best way to go about this.

Not trying to nitpick, but can you provide sources that show how that is attainable? Everything I've been looking at suggests otherwise.

You have a low displacement DI high compression engine with a baby turbo already pushing a lot of boost. Where do you expect to get another 150whp on the stock turbo? I think your figures are already knocking on the limits of the factory turbo, not even taking into account the motor.

We've found 380-400whp ~16 psi to be the limits to the new QR (rods again). I'm curious how you're going to do it with a smaller turbo, and a liter less displacement.

I've read your posts throughout this entire thread and I just didn't see any info that stood out as reasonable or factual. I'm just curious into reading up incase Nissan stuffs this engine into something else.

[mr_eh]

nissan engines dont make power, losers.

[Bates]

Originally Posted by Godofelru

Not trying to nitpick, but can you provide sources that show how that is attainable? Everything I've been looking at suggests otherwise.

You have a low displacement DI high compression engine with a baby turbo already pushing a lot of boost. Where do you expect to get another 150whp on the stock turbo? I think your figures are already knocking on the limits of the factory turbo, not even taking into account the motor.

We've found 380-400whp ~16 psi to be the limits to the new QR (rods again). I'm curious how you're going to do it with a smaller turbo, and a liter less displacement.

I've read your posts throughout this entire thread and I just didn't see any info that stood out as reasonable or factual. I'm just curious into reading up incase Nissan stuffs this engine into something else.

The stock turbo can be upgraded to make 380+HP, yes it seems crazy by how small the turbo is but they do make it. I have PSI PRO looking into this upgrade for me right now. With this turbo upgrade, my custom clutch and IC, and an upgraded fuel pump (something else Travis at PSI PRO is looking into for me) I see no reason why I can't hit my more realistic goals of 325-350HP.
http://www.gtmotorsports.com/product...roductid=17560

Just because the displacement is low doesn't mean the engine can't make power. Look at all the 2.0T engines out there making ridiculous power. Why can't a 1.6T come close to the numbers of a 2.0?

Stock, the MR16DDT is highly detuned. I have read UpRev results that show a 6MT Juke with just an axleback and an UpRev tune made 220WHP. Now imagine a retune with a 3" turbo back, IC upgrade and hard pipes, intake.

Supporting mods and a good tune turn this engine into something completely different. Myself, and 2 others I know of are pushing the limits of the stock engine. They haven't been able to hit the numbers my Juke made but they came close (They both had the GTM 2.5" 2-piece DP). Stock turbo can (from what I am told, so I can't be 100% sure) hold around 21 PSI max, but that is already past the limits of what the clutch can hold on the street.

I think I'll be able to make the power I want on the stock engine I will just have to be really careful until I have an extra engine. The IC upgrade should net me some nice power gains (not that I will be able to enjoy them until the clutch is done), and a fresh tune should yield even more.

I use this argument a lot because I just think it is pretty cool, but Nissan did use this engine in the Deltawing, and it made 300hp. What was done to it over factory I have no idea.

Originally Posted by mr_eh

nissan engines dont make power, losers.

Not without trial and error, lots of headaches, some broken stuff, and $$$$. Making power out of a SR or a RB or a VQ obviously is a lot easier since they have been around much longer so there is way more info on them, plus they are in more desirable RWD platforms.

I'm one of the only dumbasses who is going to try and make power out of a MR series engine in a FWD platform.

[Godofelru]

Originally Posted by Bates

The stock turbo can be upgraded to make 380+HP, yes it seems crazy by how small the turbo is but they do make it. I have PSI PRO looking into this upgrade for me right now. With this turbo upgrade, my custom clutch and IC, and an upgraded fuel pump (something else Travis at PSI PRO is looking into for me) I see no reason why I can't hit my more realistic goals of 325-350HP.
http://www.gtmotorsports.com/product...roductid=17560

Just because the displacement is low doesn't mean the engine can't make power. Look at all the 2.0T engines out there making ridiculous power. Why can't a 1.6T come close to the numbers of a 2.0?

Stock, the MR16DDT is highly detuned. I have read UpRev results that show a 6MT Juke with just an axleback and an UpRev tune made 220WHP. Now imagine a retune with a 3" turbo back, IC upgrade and hard pipes, intake.

Supporting mods and a good tune turn this engine into something completely different. Myself, and 2 others I know of are pushing the limits of the stock engine. They haven't been able to hit the numbers my Juke made but they came close (They both had the GTM 2.5" 2-piece DP). Stock turbo can (from what I am told, so I can't be 100% sure) hold around 21 PSI max, but that is already past the limits of what the clutch can hold on the street.

I think I'll be able to make the power I want on the stock engine I will just have to be really careful until I have an extra engine. The IC upgrade should net me some nice power gains (not that I will be able to enjoy them until the clutch is done), and a fresh tune should yield even more.

I use this argument a lot because I just think it is pretty cool, but Nissan did use this engine in the Deltawing, and it made 300hp. What was done to it over factory I have no idea.



Not without trial and error, lots of headaches, some broken stuff, and $$$$. Making power out of a SR or a RB or a VQ obviously is a lot easier since they have been around much longer so there is way more info on them, plus they are in more desirable RWD platforms.

I'm one of the only dumbasses who is going to try and make power out of a MR series engine in a FWD platform.

OK so I have a few issues with what you’re saying:

You don’t have the stock turbo if the internals have been replaced with components practically twice the size. You have a custom turbo, not a stock turbo.

I’m not debating that small displacement engines can’t make power. I’m debating your engine making 400whp on the stock engine and turbo; which is what I thought you were saying before I realize you were building a custom turbo. I still don’t think you’ll make 400whp reliably on the stock engine though.

Why are you telling me about Uprev results you read of a 6MT Juke when you have a tuned Juke right in front of you? I can’t imagine Uprev making much more if any power over ECUTEK; why not use your own car as an example? You have intake, 3” turboback, stage 2 ECUTEK tuning, hard pipes, and some more stuff and you put down 227whp/241 lb-ft. That’s not unreasonable at all for the amount of modifications you have.

I don’t care what the Deltawing made; it’s a purpose built race car with a purpose built race engine, not a production mr16ddt.

Jim is running a turbo Sentra with the MR20DE making well over 400whp and going for 500+, he’s got a built motor/big turbo though.

I’m not trying to attack you or anything just seems like a lot of inconsistencies in your logic and I like your car and am interested in seeing how it comes out.

[Bates]

Originally Posted by Godofelru

OK so I have a few issues with what you’re saying:

You don’t have the stock turbo if the internals have been replaced with components practically twice the size. You have a custom turbo, not a stock turbo.

I’m not debating that small displacement engines can’t make power. I’m debating your engine making 400whp on the stock engine and turbo; which is what I thought you were saying before I realize you were building a custom turbo. I still don’t think you’ll make 400whp reliably on the stock engine though.

Why are you telling me about Uprev results you read of a 6MT Juke when you have a tuned Juke right in front of you? I can’t imagine Uprev making much more if any power over ECUTEK; why not use your own car as an example? You have intake, 3” turboback, stage 2 ECUTEK tuning, hard pipes, and some more stuff and you put down 227whp/241 lb-ft. That’s not unreasonable at all for the amount of modifications you have.

I don’t care what the Deltawing made; it’s a purpose built race car with a purpose built race engine, not a production mr16ddt.

Jim is running a turbo Sentra with the MR20DE making well over 400whp and going for 500+, he’s got a built motor/big turbo though.

I’m not trying to attack you or anything just seems like a lot of inconsistencies in your logic and I like your car and am interested in seeing how it comes out.

Never said you were attacking, I see this as a friendly debate.

I am using the stock housings and center cartridge, the internals will be upgraded to hold a lot more power and PSI. So on the outside, the Turbo still appears stock, obviously not the case on the inside.

400HP was a lofty goal as I said before, and was more of a "when this car is all said and done" kind of goal. On the stock block, I would love to see at least 325hp. I know I won't make 400hp reliably on the stock engine.

The UpRev tune seems to offer a few other tuning features that I don't believe the ECUTek software offers just yet. We will know more if they ever release the tune.

Yea I know what Jim is making. Who do you think suggested getting my clutch made a Falcon? Lol.

[Godofelru]

Originally Posted by Bates

Never said you were attacking, I see this as a friendly debate.

I am using the stock housings and center cartridge, the internals will be upgraded to hold a lot more power and PSI. So on the outside, the Turbo still appears stock, obviously not the case on the inside.

400HP was a lofty goal as I said before, and was more of a "when this car is all said and done" kind of goal. On the stock block, I would love to see at least 325hp. I know I won't make 400hp reliably on the stock engine.

The UpRev tune seems to offer a few other tuning features that I don't believe the ECUTek software offers just yet. We will know more if they ever release the tune.

Yea I know what Jim is making. Who do you think suggested getting my clutch made a Falcon? Lol.

That's good that we're on the same page then. Is your turbo even remotely visible? Last I saw your car your piping appeared to smother your engine bay lol, you couldn't look down there if I tried.

Uprev may offer some additional features, but I don't forsee it being anything dramatic. I'd bet you'd see a much smoother curve before you saw any peak increases by swapping software. I could always be wrong though.

My car is going up to 11 psi, any higher I suspect I'll need w/m. I'm looking forward to seeing what it puts down.

[Bates]

Originally Posted by Godofelru

That's good that we're on the same page then. Is your turbo even remotely visible? Last I saw your car your piping appeared to smother your engine bay lol, you couldn't look down there if I tried.

Uprev may offer some additional features, but I don't forsee it being anything dramatic. I'd bet you'd see a much smoother curve before you saw any peak increases by swapping software. I could always be wrong though.

My car is going up to 11 psi, any higher I suspect I'll need w/m. I'm looking forward to seeing what it puts down.

You can see it slightly now that the heat shield is off. I like ECUTek, but the lack of tuners who support it is annoying. The guy who tuned my car pretty much hammered down the Stage 1 Juke tune, and created the Stage 2 Juke tune from my car. We need to street tune to get it perfect as the fuel tapers off slightly at higher RPMs, but I can't really street tune it until the clutch is done.

[Brianb351]

I like what you're doing with the juke and i like that it is a different platform then we are used to seeing everyday on this forum. Keep it up.
This is when this forum is at its best. When people discuss, disagree, learn from each other, and continue on all while being respectful and open-minded.

[Godofelru]

Originally Posted by Brianb351

I like what you're doing with the juke and i like that it is a different platform then we are used to seeing everyday on this forum. Keep it up.
This is when this forum is at its best. When people discuss, disagree, learn from each other, and continue on all while being respectful and open-minded.

Agreed.

I'm surprised the clutch is so weak that it can't handle that small increase in power. I'm terrified my clutch is going to cook on 11 psi. It's holding on now, but it's taking a beating. I don't know what another 30-40 lb-ft is going to do to it.