I endorse Ron Paul, Do you? AMAZING Video.

[JankyS13]

Originally Posted by Fujito

Are you telling me you do believe foreign nations target America for being a free and prosperous country? Sweden is very free and prosperous. Canada is too. So is Japan. Why don't they attack them?

Unlike the US, they know how to mind their damn business.

I always like messages in movies that are taking shots at current events.
e.g. Avatar

[nuTinmuch]

current events

If by "current" you mean "how it has been done since the dawn of man" then yes. :p

[SovXietday]

Originally Posted by Intercooled T

I surely don't think it's because were oppressing their ways of life.

You sound a little lost in your thoughts. If you actually realized that by that statement Ron Paul actually wants zero military presence overseas (not downsize, zero) you'd realize it won't happen and some countries/people will always feel oppressed. His words are to sound enlightened and make young people not want to get involved and protect people who cannot protect themselves.

Vietnam and the Korean war were the same damn thing. We should have never gone, but yet we insisted. In the end, billions of dollars gone and we we pulled out without accomplishing a damn thing.

Also, what Ron Paul WANTS and what he can ACHIEVE are two very different things, so I wouldn't worry too much about his more "extreme" policies. He will still have to make much of what he wants go through the system, and some of it will absolutely not go through.

Let's face it, Ron Paul WILL cut spending. He WILL bring our troops home. And he WILL make a damn change. None of these other turkeys will, and Obama surely won't either. I have seen a lot of people who don't want to vote for RP for a bunch of different reasons, yet have not replaced his name with anyone elses. Honestly, if Ron Paul is elected, I think it will show just about everyone that it takes more than corporate sponsors and and a feel good speech to run this country. People are fed up with being fed bull****, and it's beginning to show.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by Intercooled T

Our country will never be "fixed". When we do a lot(and our country gives more to its people than ANY other place in the world) to help the less fortunate, we the taxpayers get killed by people taking advantage. It's an endless cycle really. Reform on national spending should be one of the most important topics IMHO. Take welfare for instance, it was originally designed for "temporary relief". Millions and millions live off it.

Our Country actually gives very little percentage wise as compared to other Countries. Dollar amount is higher, but mostly because of the size of the Country. Sweden Tops the list as the Country that gives the most to its people followed by most other European Countries.

[rodder]

I will be registering as a republican so I can vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Anyone who thinks Romney or Gingrich (or Obama) is a better choice feel free to PM me for some schooling.

[JankyS13]

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

If by "current" you mean "how it has been done since the dawn of man" then yes. :p

well played sir

[nuTinmuch]

Originally Posted by rodder

I will be registering as a republican so I can vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Anyone who thinks Romney or Gingrich (or Obama) is a better choice feel free to PM me for some schooling.

I'll likely be going Green, but feel free to PM me. I'm interested in what you have to say.

[FocusDude]

Originally Posted by Proven

Everything you just mentioned is why I don't support him!

Only thing I like about the guy is his belief that Corporate Money has no place in politics. Everything else would destroy this Countries well being and open us up to another world war w/ his foreign policies (imo).

So you want a dishonest president that in no pays attention to the will of the people. You do not believe that states should have more power then the federal government.

YOU GOT IT RIGHT NOW BABY! Keep on drinking the koolaid brah-

RP will never be able to implement an eight of his ideas. Both right and left will not want to see him succeed. Just like they rather not see the country succeed, they rather posture and play petty politics. NAh NAH NAH NAH poooo poooooo

^^^ I'm tired of political posturing. I'm tired of those who can, making laws to improve their lives and ignoring the electorate. I'm tired of Presidents being not having a backbone to veto it. ROAR!

[r3volt]

Great video.

[FocusDude]

The Federal government should not be able to control the states by bribing said state, with it's own citizens taxes.

State > Federal ... so bassackwards now-

[FocusDude]

Originally Posted by Proven

Only thing I like about the guy is his belief that Corporate Money has no place in politics.

Ain't you a Barry fanboy? GE, Unions (public and private), Goldman Sachs, .. .. ..... ....

[nuTinmuch]

I'm tired of political posturing. I'm tired of those who can, making laws to improve their lives and ignoring the electorate. I'm tired of Presidents being not having a backbone to veto it. ROAR!

I'm just curious. If you admit that congress is already locked into a state of political posturing, why do you think Ron Paul will be able to do a better job than anyone else, especially if his brand of politics are so divisive?

Won't he only be able to speak a hard game while acting just as Obama has? Isn't that exactly what drives Ron Paul supporters nuts?

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

Won't he only be able to speak a hard game while acting just as Obama has? Isn't that exactly what drives Ron Paul supporters nuts?

Yep... but at the same time me might make such an ass out of some of the senators that something could spark from it.... pending you don't lose all respect for him when we screws his good idea up with something completely retarded.

[FocusDude]

Veto-

He has no problem telling the people how it is, and who did what. Like JP said he calls you out for what you did, he makes the facts known. He doesn't skew his record, and he stands by his record. He won't be able to implement half the "tin foiled hat" policies he'd like to. He does not believe in executive orders. He knows where bills are supposed to begin. I'll be hated, but Equal Opportunity. I know its completely insane but he stands by the Constitution.

Honestly, it would give me some faith in the American people. Everyone complains about the government, but won't do a damn thing about it. If you truly want some kind of ****ing change, RP is your man. If you want the same ole same old, the blue one-

And if he doesn't win, I'm gonna fall instep with the rest of the lemmings and live blinded, my blood pressure rises way to much over politics. People vote way to much for what benefits their greedy ass, instead of voting for the Constitution. Emotions run rapid in politics, and thats just sad. Emotion has no place in politics, or law.

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

Won't he only be able to speak a hard game while acting just as Obama has?

Really. OBama is a company man.... RP is frowned upon by both parties. How he's gonna act like Barry? You think he will fall in line with all the Reps. come swearing into the White House time, and abandoned 35+ years of policy?

He'll still be a man of his principles. Please, look at his record, I know it's a long read.

[nuTinmuch]

People vote way to much for what benefits their greedy ass, instead of voting for the Constitution. Emotions run rapid in politics, and thats just sad. Emotion has no place in politics, or law.

Voting for the Constitution?

Really?

The Constitution isn't a document that can only be interpreted one way. It's a living text that has been open to interpretation ever since its inception. Likewise, the very Constitution you immediately go back to was created for the sole purpose of strengthening the Federal powers of government.

It was born from debate. It was designed to be debated. It was designed to evolve with the needs of the people. This is why it's hailed as one of the greatest documents in history, not because it's a monolithic text that was never supposed to be interpreted differently or seen through an eyes of modernity.

A candidate that refuses to see the Constitution as anything more than the text (and not the philosophical world that birthed it) is just as bad, if not worse, than anyone willing to ignore it completely.

Likewise, the powers of government have expanded past the Constitution ever since the document was signed. Even intense early supporters of a literal reading of the Constitution didn't seem to stick by it. Look at Jefferson, for example. Or Jackson, as he was brought up earlier in the thread. Supposed incredibly supporters of the Constitution that undoubtedly increased the power of the central government via their actions.

Now is this a criticism? Did they do terrible things? In some cases, yes. But overall, the expansion of power benefited the country tremendously. As our nation's founders quickly realized, while the periphery needs a certain level of power, a weak core will lead to a fundamentally weak periphery.

If you truly want some kind of ****ing change, RP is your man. If you want the same ole same old, the blue one

The problem is that he isn't the change any of us on the left want. From a social and developmental standpoint, Ron Paul terrifies the **** out of me.

This doesn't mean I am ignoring change. It means I ain't buyin' what he's sellin'. I'll take my change elsewhere, when a powerful semi-independent appears on a spectrum I like, I'll vote for him.

This isn't about self-benefit, either. I can't fault any young white dudes for voting for him. But I can't vote for a candidate that is anti-science, likely racist (and certainly denying of privilege), and is so ingrained in a black-and-white "pro/anti-Constitution" rhetoric that he refuses to see anything outside of such a silly, narrow, spectrum.

Veto

So it would be symbolic, right? Just like Obama? Veto power isn't magical. It doesn't displace an entire branch of government.

[zuki19]

Originally Posted by Fujito

I don't support him 100% either. I think he's a bit extreme on some things and would want Government to be the size of a nut if he had it his way. The States would be given a lot of jurisdiction and we would become a divided nation.

Still, we all know he's the only candidate that would 100% push for the issues that we want to solve.

It's a shame that there isn't an honest politician out there that stands a little more to the left of Ron Paul. I still support him, though.

Most bad government has grown out of too much government. - Thomas Jefferson

I honestly laugh my ass off at the american people... they are so mislead... Osama bin laden used to be our ally... we aided him with weapons, money, etc... when he did what we wanted, we backstabbed him, make him look like the bad person, then hence 9/11. Obviously they're going to get pissed off we try to police every damn country in the world.. we need to mind our own business... We are the most hated country on earth by far.

[nuTinmuch]

Most bad government has grown out of too much government. - Thomas Jefferson

"Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment... laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind... as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times.... We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." - Thomas Jefferson

Or, my favorite:

"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire

[Proven]

Originally Posted by FocusDude

Ain't you a Barry fanboy? GE, Unions (public and private), Goldman Sachs, .. .. ..... ....

I'm not happy with Obama getting funding from goldman and I'm not a fan of GE.. I do support Unions though and a fan of Obama and his accomplishments that benefit people of this Country like.

-overhauled the food safety system
-Advanced women's rights in the work place
-Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) in our military
-Passed the Hate Crimes bill.
-Expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can't afford it.
-Expanded the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
-Fixed the preexisting conditions travesty in health insurance.
-Invested in clean energy.
-Overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly.
-He created The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
-He got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks.

-Killed Bin Laden
-Unemployment rate is lowering
-we're coming out of the recession
-Ended one of the wars

You seem to understand that RP won't be able to accomplish much, I think you figured an 8th of what he wanted.. Isn't that a sign that he won't be any good as a leader? What has he accomplished? What do you think he'll actually do to change things in this Country that BENEFIT all of its citizens quality of life.

[AutobahnRacer]

I support nobody. All of these crooked ass politicians promise one thing and either do it and screw us somewhere else or they don't do it and screw us even harder everywhere.