Please Help!!!

[2slowvw]

Luckily the refinery I work for is staying open for now. But this is effecting thousands of people in the northeast as we speak. Local pizza mom and pop shops will be closing doors, schools will be impacted. sales guys, auto repair shops etc.
http://www.signon.org/sign/keep-nort...e=c.fb&r_by=12

[AWD GS]

page not found, things are getting worse!

[jpalamar]

I don't see this making any difference.

[~Brian~]

Gotta start somewhere man..

[2slowvw]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

I don't see this making any difference.

Thanks for your kindness and concern.

[AWD GS]

just curious, how will schools, pizza shops, auto mechanics, etc... be affected by this?

[OutToWinPAHC]

Originally Posted by ~Brian~

Gotta start somewhere man..

Yeah start by putting your personal info online....

[2slowvw]

Originally Posted by AWD GS

just curious, how will schools, pizza shops, auto mechanics, etc... be affected by this?

The refineries pay township taxes, on a pretty high level , Township taxes pay for schools Auto mechanics have accounts with refinery vehicles(we have over 100 vehicles that go to a local shop for maintenance), Local pizza and sub shops usually get 1000s of dollars a week from lunch orders of any big local company. Anybody who doubts these scenerios, just talk to anyone who lives in West Deptford New Jersey, where the Eagle Point Sunoco just closed the doors a few years ago. Or better yet talk to the surrounding buisnesses of the refineries and see if they'll stay open. It's all good if you want a few thousand more people to be on unemployment(paid for out of your taxes), more power to ya.

[Rocko15]

Originally Posted by AWD GS

just curious, how will schools, pizza shops, auto mechanics, etc... be affected by this?

Just google Marcus hook refineries and look at the news stories. There are plenty of stories outlining the effects of the refineries shutting down. If they close for good, that's close to 10,000 direct and indirect jobs affected

[jpalamar]

What will this actually do? It isn't like they can force them companies to keep them open.

[2slowvw]

no It can't. i 100% agree with you on this. What this will hopefully do is help open the eyes of the politicians that make it hard to run a refinery in the northeast. The wording in the petition is better than I can put it.

[2slowvw]

Originally Posted by Rocko15

Just google Marcus hook refineries and look at the news stories. There are plenty of stories outlining the effects of the refineries shutting down. If they close for good, that's close to 10,000 direct and indirect jobs affected

I'm guessing from the avatar that he's in Chester, if that's the case all he has to do is take aride down to the refinery a few blocks away and stop at the local food places and ask them. When refineries close it is never a good thing. I personally work for a competitor of tehse companies and if the close it will put more demand on our plant, which isn't a bad thing by any means. However I can't stomach the fact to see this many people loose their jobs and watch that many famiklies get crushed. This petition may not be the answer to the problem, but it is something, and I will do anything I can.

[httrdd]

Not sure if it is going to help, but signed.

[2slowvw]

thank you

[importpower99]

I'm lost, why are they being closed? Once you explained this I will make my decision on signing.
Your theory of pizza shops and other entities closing is a little farfetched.
And just and FYI…
You are talking about a fossil fuel that will eventually run out. So aren’t you just preventing the inevitable? If not, your next mission will be signing petitions for car manufactures to stop producing gas efficient and hybrid cars because the demand for this fossil fuel has severely decreased causing these refineries to shut down.
Just food for thought..

[russiankid]

By signing that, it won't change the fact that the Trainer is already shut down. People are basically sitting at the refinery playing the waiting game.

[2slowvw]

Originally Posted by importpower99

I'm lost, why are they being closed? Once you explained this I will make my decision on signing.
Your theory of pizza shops and other entities closing is a little farfetched.
And just and FYI…
You are talking about a fossil fuel that will eventually run out. So aren’t you just preventing the inevitable? If not, your next mission will be signing petitions for car manufactures to stop producing gas efficient and hybrid cars because the demand for this fossil fuel has severely decreased causing these refineries to shut down.
Just food for thought..

They are being closed due to not being profitable. The Sunoco plants are up and running until but for sale until July of 2012. After that they idle the plants. The thought that is going on here is that the New York Harbor is being flooded with what is waste from Europe (refined gasoline). Europe relies on Diesel. Europe floods the US with this at a lower price than it can be produced here, they don't have to pay a tarriff as of right now. You throw a tarriff on it and make the northeastern plants profittable again then there's a reason for another company to buy the plants. As of now the only way anybody will buy any of the three plants being mentioned is for tank storage. Tank storage requires minimal employees down into the double digits.
How do you find my theory for the local buisnesses suffering far fetched? As i stated in a previous post, go talk to any of the shop owners local to a plant and see if what they have to say. When you own a shop that you are getting 20-30 multi person orders a day from a buisness, see how that shop will be affected. Then take the same shop and increase their property tax due top the big buisnesses shutting down and see what happens.
I hear ya on the fossil fuels running out eventually. Thats not the problem here though. I don't care if your for or against Dino oil. the fact is your looking at eliminating thousands of jobs. Not just gas station attendent type jobs either your talking 80K plus annual jobs. Think of how much tax money goes bye bye. I know I pay more in taxes now than most of my freinds take home. You don't want any more jobs eliminated in todays economy, but think of the impact when you take lets say an average of $10k a year on federal taxes multipled by a few thousand. Your talking in the 10s of millions of federal money going BYE BYE.
What this basically is when it comes down to it is to try to save ALOT of jobs.
Either way I understand that opinions come in all different shapes, sizes, colors etc.

[2slowvw]

Originally Posted by russiankid

By signing that, it won't change the fact that the Trainer is already shut down. People are basically sitting at the refinery playing the waiting game.

Soooooo, lets add on a few more. **** it close the other 2 plants...right?
Trainer has been idled as of the moment, make northeast refining profitable and maybe it will sell.

[Rocko15]

It's true, oil will run it's course eventually and these refineries will no longer be used to refine oil. However, that doesn't change the fact that oil is still being refined in other areas of the country, and the world. So, simply allowing the refineries to shut down because the supply of oil is finite and will dry up at some point makes no sense.

Like it was mentioned, the cost of operating these plants is much higher in our country due to environmental regulations. And the politicians in our country are aware of this. There is an effort to help find buyers for the refineries, as well as address the cost of operating them.

[Rocko15]

As far as the other local businesses being affected, it's simple. If you have a workforce of roughly 2,000 people in an area each day, they are a potential customer base. If you eliminate their jobs, and they no longer visit the area where they were employed on a daily basis, that's 2,000 potential customers lost. For a small mom-and-pop business, even a loss in 5 customers a day can be difficult to overcome in this tough economy. At 5 customers a day, that's 25 for the normal business week. Say each person spends $10, that's $250 a week or $1,000 a month. That is a large loss for a small business, which is what the majority of businesses in Marcus Hook and Trainer actually are.