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[ketchup!]

Let me say it again. you don't need a camber kit

[insacclabor]

Originally Posted by ketchup!

wrong miss ricer. toe eats tires not camber. have a read http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2614449

Please read this statement from the link YOU posted.

"Well that's about all I can think of to say. Hopefully this will help to dispel some of the myths. Hopefully I can help some people keep some extra money instead of wasting it all on camber kits and expensive alignments.

*edit* something else to add - lower profile tires will tend to wear a bit more on the inside edge with negative camber, even with proper alignment. I do get a bit more inner wear on my 205/45-16's than I did on my 195/55-15's or 205/50-15's. I would imagine 40-series tires would be worse. A taller sidewall can flex more, therefore more even pressure is maintained across the tread even with negative camber."

[ketchup!]

maybe if he was on low profile tires this would apply but he's on stock wheels

and i've never had a camber kit, just alignments with toe set to 0 and my tires did fine and my cars were slammed

[jen.]

Originally Posted by ketchup!

maybe if he was on low profile tires this would apply but he's on stock wheels

and i've never had a camber kit, just alignments with toe set to 0 and my tires did fine and my cars were slammed

He's not on stock wheels. Whether or not they are low profile, I don't know because he's never given me the specs, but they certainly aren't stock. His stock ones are currently listed for sale on this website.

I don't think anyone is arguing that toe isnt a major contributing factor to tire wear. The OP asked for advice and photographs, from people with civics, based on their experiences with suspension set ups. I wasn't trying to start a problem. I was however informing him that in my personal experience, I AM lowered on Eibachs, I AM aligned by a reputable shop, and I still DO have negative camber and some uneven tire wear. I'm not contesting that toe wears tires out more aggressively, but that is not to say that negative camber plays NO part in tire wear.

Many other 8thgens have had the same issue, and it HAS been fixed with camber kits. It may have something to do with our control arms, as they have even been the cause of uneven tire wear on civics that AREN'T lowered. While we're on the topic of dispersing literature, some reading materials that Honda released in the form of a TSB can be found here:

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/3431997-post108.html

Granted, the TSB covers civics that are not of the si model, but the part number on the TSB is identical to the si and the si apparently isn't covered because its supposed to be part of the special "sport" suspension to help in cornering, even if tires wear unevenly.

Either way, many 8thgeners who have come across this problem, especially those that are lowered (and many with alignments) have had the problem fixed with camber kits.

Even tirerack.com has a great write up on aligmnments and in it, they agree that toe is a major contributing factor to tire wear, but also that camber contributes. That article can be found here:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...e.jsp?techid=4

Again, wasn't starting to cause a problem, I was just stating what I know based on my own experience with the car. I am saying that even if its not as aggressive, negative camber can cause uneven tire wear. I'm pretty sure no one is disagreeing with you that when you're tow is out of whack, it causes tire wear. But it's not what you said, its how you said it.

[CivicSi]

Originally Posted by insacclabor

Please read this statement from the link YOU posted.

"Well that's about all I can think of to say. Hopefully this will help to dispel some of the myths. Hopefully I can help some people keep some extra money instead of wasting it all on camber kits and expensive alignments.

*edit* something else to add - lower profile tires will tend to wear a bit more on the inside edge with negative camber, even with proper alignment. I do get a bit more inner wear on my 205/45-16's than I did on my 195/55-15's or 205/50-15's. I would imagine 40-series tires would be worse. A taller sidewall can flex more, therefore more even pressure is maintained across the tread even with negative camber."

I gotta say, never thought about the taller sidewall flex, that is a good point, as for that website, i like it... minus the comment about "newer civics have a steeper camber curve" .. I just dont wanna waist the money on springs ... alignment.. then 5 months later im through a set of tires in like 5,000 miles..

[CivicSi]

THANKS jen.
yeah i looked at the tirerack.com article .. talked to a sales agent at tirerack, that i've dealt with on a couple occasions, and he recommends a camber kit for the rear on anything lower then 1.5" on the Si.

iv got the question riding over on 8thcivic as well, c what i get back there.. got the chance to get some skunk2's for $175.. but its a 2.1 front 2 rear.. that'll deff push the limits of being in spec..

[ourbloodykisses]

just get a ****ing camber kit or its going to look like ****. stop cheaping out, its suspension. its not like youre buying ****ing fog lights.
get a camber kit and get it done and over with.
TOE WILL CAUSE MORE TIRE WEAR THAN CAMBER
thats the point he is trying to make.

[ketchup!]

Originally Posted by ourbloodykisses

just get a ****ing camber kit or its going to look like ****. stop cheaping out, its suspension. its not like youre buying ****ing fog lights.
get a camber kit and get it done and over with.
TOE WILL CAUSE MORE TIRE WEAR THAN CAMBER
thats the point he is trying to make.

yep. pretty much

[Jenn.]

Originally Posted by jen.

But it's not what you said, its how you said it.

BAHAHAH!!!!!! Thanks, Mom.

[CivicSi]

Originally Posted by Jenn.

BAHAHAH!!!!!! Thanks, Mom.

but this is why we love Jen. haha

[Blue_blur47]

Get the HFP kit. It's the only way to go if you don't want coilovers. Also it won't ruin your warranty!