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AutobahnRacer · 06-21-2011, 07:38 AM

In Pennsylvania, as in most states, your home is your castle and you have a right to defend it.

Soon, you will be able to add your car. Or the sidewalk. Or anywhere you "have the legal right to be."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pe...124252299.html

AutobahnRacer · 06-21-2011, 11:41 AM

Already had to almost take advantage of this today. Some ****ing stupid and crazy construction guy coming at me. I even walked away and he was still coming at me.

jpalamar · 06-21-2011, 11:45 AM

So there is a reason to actually have a gun now. About time.

accordguy04 · 06-21-2011, 11:55 AM

Why was he comin at you bro?

R22B · 06-21-2011, 12:04 PM

I thought you always had the right to defend you and your family if an intruder was in your house. The thing is that if you shot at an intruder, them or their family could sue you for damages... and sadly, sometimes they would win. This bill addresses that issue. I carry the mindset that if there is someone in my house, I'm going to shoot to kill.

I'd like get a handgun for home defense, but I think the chu-chuck of a shotgun is an intimidating sound and could scare off intruders. If not, the spread is great for near blackout conditions and most homes aren't long enough to warrant something more accurate.

Chris B. · 06-21-2011, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R22B

I thought you always had the right to defend you and your family if an intruder was in your house. The thing is that if you shot at an intruder, them or their family could sue you for damages... and sadly, sometimes they would win. This bill addresses that issue. I carry the mindset that if there is someone in my house, I'm going to shoot to kill.

I'd like get a handgun for home defense, but I think the chu-chuck of a shotgun is an intimidating sound and could scare off intruders. If not, the spread is great for near blackout conditions and most homes aren't long enough to warrant something more accurate.

The "spread" of a shotgun is a misconception. At distances found inside most homes, even wiht an 18" barrel and improved cylidner choke, you won't get much more than a 4" spread of shot.

The main advantage a shotgun has is that if you use #4 shot or smaller indoors, it won't do much damage to things ont he other side of a wall if it goes through a wall. However at the distance between you and someone inside your home #4 to #8 shot will put a nice hole in someone and the surface area of the wound cavity will lead to very rapid bleeding.

Most modern handgun and rifle ammo can go through several walls with lethal force on the other side. Some of my rifles will go through my house and into the neighbor's house and still be lethal. Using a shotgun I don't have to worry about that.

rodder · 06-21-2011, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpalamar

So there is a reason to actually have a gun now. About time.

I don't understand...

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutobahnRacer

Already had to almost take advantage of this today. Some ****ing stupid and crazy construction guy coming at me. I even walked away and he was still coming at me.

The "Stand Your Ground" bill, or HB40 is not yet law. It passed the house and senate, but still needs to be signed by Gov. Corbett. Once he signs it it goes into effect in 60 days, IIRC.

So don't anyone think you are protected by this law yet.

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Originally Posted by R22B

I carry the mindset that if there is someone in my house, I'm going to shoot to kill.

This is what will get you into trouble. The law does not allow you to "shoot to kill" it allows you to use lethal force until the threat is stopped.

If you shoot someone and they go down and are no longer a threat, that's where protection from the law ends.

RedBowTies88 · 06-21-2011, 02:31 PM

i think #6 shot is perfect for indoor use :D

AutobahnRacer · 06-21-2011, 02:48 PM

Well good thing I didn't int hat case because you are correct, its not yet in affect. All I did was ask this contractor not to use up 3 spots in an extremely polite manner and this ****ing ghetto bitch starts screaming and talking ****, I said again, I was not looking to start a confrontation. He keeps going, I walk away, he starts following me. (Up to this point something was in his view or something because he did not see I was holding my holstered gun)

As he started following me I turned around and waved my holstered gun at him and said see this? He stopped, turned towards the construction site again and I said I don giva sheet if yo a paulice officia, I get outta jail. **** you.

At that point I let it go since he was walking back to the construction site.

cmr076 · 06-21-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AutobahnRacer

Well good thing I didn't int hat case because you are correct, its not yet in affect. All I did was ask this contractor not to use up 3 spots in an extremely polite manner and this ****ing ghetto bitch starts screaming and talking ****, I said again, I was not looking to start a confrontation. He keeps going, I walk away, he starts following me. (Up to this point something was in his view or something because he did not see I was holding my holstered gun)

As he started following me I turned around and waved my holstered gun at him and said see this? He stopped, turned towards the construction site again and I said I don giva sheet if yo a paulice officia, I get outta jail. **** you.

At that point I let it go since he was walking back to the construction site.

your lucky you didnt get arrested.

Munky · 06-22-2011, 12:17 AM

^^^That. Please refrain from carrying your firearm until you've been properly trained to do so...for the sake of the rest of us who are responsible gun owners. kthnxbai

igo4bmx · 06-22-2011, 09:48 AM

ah didn't read

PAFirefighter11 · 06-22-2011, 10:10 AM

Anyone who has a firearm and has not yet joined.. go join this site and READ everything you can: www.pafoa.org - they have a forum as well. Several of us on here are members there as well.

AutobahnRacer · 06-22-2011, 11:40 AM

Actually, since you apparently don't know the laws, open carry is legal, and I have a license to conceal. As I said, I was not pointing the gun at him, I brought his attention to my holstered gun.

cmr076 · 06-22-2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AutobahnRacer

Actually, since you apparently don't know the laws, open carry is legal, and I have a license to conceal. As I said, I was not pointing the gun at him, I brought his attention to my holstered gun.

since apparently YOU dont know the laws open carry is not the same as waving your gun around holstered or otherwise. also, since you seem to be such a legal expert you may want to stop calling it a license to concel... it is in fact called a license to carry.

::edit::
arent you the same guy that wanted to make stickers for your car that said some ridiculous statement about your gun carrying-ness along the lines of "keep honking I am carrying a gun" or something similar.

what Munky is getting at is as far as I can tell EXACTLY what I wrote above.. PLEASE for all of our sake do some research (and I am NOT bashing you), if you continue to act the way you say you do, you will more than likely have your LTC revoked and/or go to jail... at least it will make good reading on PAFOA

::double edit::

it was:

Proud Gun Owner
Don't Mess With Me

that you wanted to get made to put on your car... much better....

AutobahnRacer · 06-22-2011, 02:23 PM

Doesn't matter fact is, I would rather get fined or arrested than injured by some stupid ass construction worker looking for a fight. I've never done that before, never will again because it was an impulse in the moment.

That is besides the point. We have gotten way off-topic.

Munky · 06-22-2011, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmr076

since apparently YOU dont know the laws open carry is not the same as waving your gun around holstered or otherwise. also, since you seem to be such a legal expert you may want to stop calling it a license to concel... it is in fact called a license to carry.

::edit::
arent you the same guy that wanted to make stickers for your car that said some ridiculous statement about your gun carrying-ness along the lines of "keep honking I am carrying a gun" or something similar.

what Munky is getting at is as far as I can tell EXACTLY what I wrote above.. PLEASE for all of our sake do some research (and I am NOT bashing you), if you continue to act the way you say you do, you will more than likely have your LTC revoked and/or go to jail... at least it will make good reading on PAFOA

::double edit::

it was:

Proud Gun Owner
Don't Mess With Me

that you wanted to get made to put on your car... much better....

^^^THIS...especially the bold portion.

AutobahnRacer · 06-22-2011, 05:21 PM

Let me clarify what I meant by waving it, not much better than what I assume you guys think I mean. I was holding it at waste level and attaching it as we were talking. I waved my hand pointing down at my holster while wiggeling it back and forth.

I am very aware of the laws, like I said, it was impulsive and stupid, but I was legitimately scared for myself because this guy was coming at me with something in his hand.

Now get off my dick.

~Brian~ · 06-22-2011, 08:06 PM

Responsible gun owners don't act impulsively in dangerous situations... that's how people get hurt.

AutobahnRacer · 06-23-2011, 12:48 AM

Whatever. I don't need a ****ing lecture. The day everyone here is perfect they can lecture.

Just keep the thread on topic.

06-21-2011, 07:38 AM	#1
AutobahnRacer Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: TriState, PA Member #2056 iTrader: (3)	Castle Docterine Expanded - PA In Pennsylvania, as in most states, your home is your castle and you have a right to defend it. Soon, you will be able to add your car. Or the sidewalk. Or anywhere you "have the legal right to be." http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pe...124252299.html

06-21-2011, 12:04 PM	#5
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06-22-2011, 12:17 AM	#11
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06-23-2011, 12:48 AM	#20
AutobahnRacer Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: TriState, PA Member #2056 iTrader: (3)	Whatever. I don't need a ***ing lecture. The day everyone here is perfect they can lecture. Just keep the thread on topic. Last edited by AutobahnRacer; 06-23-2011 at 12:52 AM.*

06-21-2011, 11:41 AM	#2
AutobahnRacer Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: TriState, PA Member #2056 iTrader: (3)	Already had to almost take advantage of this today. Some ****ing stupid and crazy construction guy coming at me. I even walked away and he was still coming at me.

06-21-2011, 11:45 AM	#3
jpalamar TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Orefield, PA Member #13773 My Ride: '14 Mustang GT iTrader: (3)	So there is a reason to actually have a gun now. About time.

06-21-2011, 11:55 AM	#4
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06-21-2011, 02:31 PM	#8
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06-21-2011, 02:48 PM	#9
AutobahnRacer Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: TriState, PA Member #2056 iTrader: (3)	Well good thing I didn't int hat case because you are correct, its not yet in affect. All I did was ask this contractor not to use up 3 spots in an extremely polite manner and this **ing ghetto bitch starts screaming and talking , I said again, I was not looking to start a confrontation. He keeps going, I walk away, he starts following me. (Up to this point something was in his view or something because he did not see I was holding my holstered gun) As he started following me I turned around and waved my holstered gun at him and said see this? He stopped, turned towards the construction site again and I said I don giva sheet if yo a paulice officia, I get outta jail. ** you. At that point I let it go since he was walking back to the construction site.

06-22-2011, 11:40 AM	#14
AutobahnRacer Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: TriState, PA Member #2056 iTrader: (3)	Actually, since you apparently don't know the laws, open carry is legal, and I have a license to conceal. As I said, I was not pointing the gun at him, I brought his attention to my holstered gun.

06-22-2011, 02:23 PM	#16
AutobahnRacer Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: TriState, PA Member #2056 iTrader: (3)	Doesn't matter fact is, I would rather get fined or arrested than injured by some stupid ass construction worker looking for a fight. I've never done that before, never will again because it was an impulse in the moment. That is besides the point. We have gotten way off-topic.

06-22-2011, 05:21 PM	#18
AutobahnRacer Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: TriState, PA Member #2056 iTrader: (3)	Let me clarify what I meant by waving it, not much better than what I assume you guys think I mean. I was holding it at waste level and attaching it as we were talking. I waved my hand pointing down at my holster while wiggeling it back and forth. I am very aware of the laws, like I said, it was impulsive and stupid, but I was legitimately scared for myself because this guy was coming at me with something in his hand. Now get off my dick.

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