NJ's Chat Thwead: The Most Rad People, From the Least Rad State

[blackvr4]

Originally Posted by liberta

It is possible for DSM's to be very fast

;)

Originally Posted by Fujito

Most people do buy Evo's to make fast, not make pretty.

To me every evo looks great stock exterior, aside from rims I wouldnt do anything to an evo exterior, but thats just me.

Originally Posted by Foolinaround

Why did you choose a dsm in the first place?

When I bought my DSM I actually didnt want it. I wanted a 240 because i wanted to get into drifting. But luckily both my wife and all of my friends where very influential in convincing me to get a DSM instead of a 240. Kind of looking at the scene now, Im glad I got the DSM and wouldnt change a thing. To me 240s now are kind of like civics. And DSMs are like ferraris because chances of spotting one driving around these days is very slim.

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

I bought my 97 Talon before I even knew that there was a turbo model or what a DSM was. After I realized that I could not swap it, the search was on. They're cheap, there's a ton of aftermarket parts, and for the most part, the community is full of knowledgable people with fast cars. There's alot of other platforms I'd like to explore, but the 4G is just so freakin' stout, that I'd likely be swapping whatever chasis it was that I ended up with.

I just like how the average DSMer now has become a lot more knowledgeable then they once were. I know like 5years ago everyone and there grandmom owned a DSM. Also the 16G turbo has almost been completely phased out. Now its holset this, borg warner that, its cool and helps the pregression of the platform.

[Got Insulin?]

Agreed. I started with barely knowing how to change my own oil, next thing I know I'm on my back with a Tcase on my chest and paging through a borrowed FSM (which someone that I've never spoken face to face with shipped me without hesitation from N. Dakota, just to "help me out") with my free hand looking for torque specs. I love the DSM community, and I love what I've been able to learn through earning a few DSMs. Late in the game progression is progression none-the-less.

[Foolinaround]

I will agree I learned a lot buying Rich's blown DSM and getting it running.

[///chrism3]

my talon is still going strong in texas...soo ppl are stepping there game up huh?

[nuTinmuch]

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

Agreed. I started with barely knowing how to change my own oil, next thing I know I'm on my back with a Tcase on my chest and paging through a borrowed FSM (which someone that I've never spoken face to face with shipped me without hesitation from N. Dakota, just to "help me out") with my free hand looking for torque specs. I love the DSM community, and I love what I've been able to learn through earning a few DSMs. Late in the game progression is progression none-the-less.

I love hearing stories like this. Any sort of community like that is awesome.

To me every evo looks great stock exterior, aside from rims I wouldnt do anything to an evo exterior, but thats just me.

I agree. I think the Evo looks pretty good from the factory, although I don't like the X in any color that isn't black/white. Blue is pretty cool too, I guess.

edit: The X didn't really create any sort of response from me, though.

[blackvr4]

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

edit: The X didn't really create any sort of response from me, though.

Id have to agree, I think the EvoX just has way too much going on, exterior wise. For me everything about that car just screams "LOOK AT ME"

Unlike the previous evos where it was just the wing that said look at me, other than that everything about the previous evos was fairly subtle and in great taste. To this day the evo 8 or 9 are the only "new" cars I would drive.

[thefro526]

The "next level" I was referring to isn't really a quantitive thing as much as a state of mind.

In times past the industry and scene was full of those who weren't afraid to push the envelope and do things differently. Those people built cars as functional pieces of art - uncompromising in the pursuit of both the "perfect" form and "perfect" function. Those people and cars seem to have faded away as the scene evolved now is over populated by cookie-cutter cars. Cars lack the soul, the meticulous work, the care that people once had.

Now everyone makes fun of those who splurge on expensive parts, non-functional modifications and anything that differs from the norm. The general concensous of most people seems to fit into the categories of the "go fast", "look good", "be slammed" etc etc and have no interest in anything outside of their tastes. This is disappointing.

In any case - I do not wish to start an arguement, just state a fact.

I hope to someday create a rolling monument to my tastes, and I hope you do the same.

[mr_eh]

understandable. but your definition of next level and someone elses is wildly different. budget, age, etc. 10 years ago when i was 18 i wasn't able to do what i am now and im glad i didnt... i still have the first car i thought was cool, it's my daily, a 2000 grand am with a sweet nordskog a/f gauge and a something brand transmission temperature gauge on the pillar with an ebay intake !

i think what i've learned in those 10 years is that even if the rest of the scene had cars you admired unless you are returning the favor you are just part of the problem

[Fujito]

Originally Posted by liberta

not gonna lie tho, your Evo X is probably the sexiest Evo X i've seen. Ever. Except maybe a few of the ones over in Japan that have like over a hundred grand under the hood.

Originally Posted by InvisibleMonkey

Agreed.

Thanks y'all. I might pick up a little sponsorship to help ease the costs of the turbo build. I ditched the idea of building the motor and went back to my original plans of a FP Red build on the stock motor with meth. The car will be pretty much done by this summer, which makes it a 2 year build.

[Fujito]

Originally Posted by mr_eh

i think what i've learned in those 10 years is that even if the rest of the scene had cars you admired unless you are returning the favor you are just part of the problem

What I learned from the past 2 years in the car scene is that everyone would be better off without the forums. I understand modding cars and the fun of it, but it seems like some people are literally competing with others online, whether it be on this forum or their respective car forum. That's a very dangerous game and it comes down to ego and insecurities. And not everyone is competing, but many are doing things to please others. Then there are also the ethugs which amuse me. They have a lot to say online, but not much in person.

And Fro, having a car at the level you speak of is very unpractical. The kind of car you speak of will easily have over $50,000 of parts and labor into it. Imagine owning something like that. Imagine having exterior body parts that cost thousands of dollars, or wheels that cost $4,000. Would you want to DD that? Would you want to race that? "Oh yeah sure" you might say, but damage one item and eat the cost of that part, then say that again. You have to be rich to be able to afford to drive a car like that, and when I say rich I mean like you could have easily afforded to buy a Ferrari instead of whatever project you own.

[Fujito]

Good for you bro.

[sean3]

Originally Posted by Fujito

What I learned from the past 2 years in the car scene is that everyone would be better off without the forums.

It would be worlds harder to learn/research anything without forums.

[Fujito]

Originally Posted by sean3

It would be worlds harder to learn/research anything without forums.

It would, but it'd also be like a person who doesn't watch TV anymore--they'll desire much less. The forums can be very beneficial, but it goes the other way too, much like everything else.

[///chrism3]

im always expressing it to people build the car for you not what other people want to see...reason why i dont pop my hood or you never see me posting pics of my cars on forums. Must say one thing that erks me is when i do something different and next thing u know someone goes and does it to there car the next week after seein mine. reason why u guys call me ricer or secretive cause i never explain whats in my cars and i rather keep it that way so people get there own ideas and im going on a rant and dont even feeling like rereading this all to see if it even makes sense lol

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Fujito

And Fro, having a car at the level you speak of is very unpractical. The kind of car you speak of will easily have over $50,000 of parts and labor into it. Imagine owning something like that. Imagine having exterior body parts that cost thousands of dollars, or wheels that cost $4,000. Would you want to DD that? Would you want to race that? "Oh yeah sure" you might say, but damage one item and eat the cost of that part, then say that again. You have to be rich to be able to afford to drive a car like that, and when I say rich I mean like you could have easily afforded to buy a Ferrari instead of whatever project you own.

A car of that level doesn't neccessarily have to cost that much. Depending on how money is spent, and the level of work done by the owner the cost could vary dramatically. I understand that it would be much easier to build a car of that caliber on an inexpensive platform - EF/EG/EK Civic, Pre-2000's Mustang, 240sx's, MKIII Supras etc than to use a more modern and more expensive Chassis - 350z, Evo, STi, etc. I'm not thinking that anyone should go out and spend $20,000 in car stuff, I'm just referencing a theoretical ideal situation.

Perhaps the people I am most disgusted with are the people in the "Drift" and "240" scenes. I haven't seen a properly built 240 being used for anything other than a show car in ages. It's saddening to see all these "Drifters" buy 240's, throw on the cheapest parts available and not caring about reaching maximum functionality or having a car that looks halfway decent because it's a "Drift Car" and then putting down any other car that is built more meticulously than their's.

I like to think that I, and many other people on this site can appreciate the work that goes into a high caliber car and though we may disagree with their tastes in aesthetics or some of the functional decisions we make, we can all appreciate the craftsmanship put into a car by the owner.

For those of you concerned with copy-cats, thus is life. In Engineering there is a common saying of "Steal Where you can, invent where you can't". It's just a matter of efficiency in some cases.

Personally, when I see someone copy my design or my method, I take it as a compliment. Imitation is the best form of Flattering after all.

[nuTinmuch]

Originally Posted by Fujito

What I learned from the past 2 years in the car scene is that everyone would be better off without the forums. I understand modding cars and the fun of it, but it seems like some people are literally competing with others online, whether it be on this forum or their respective car forum. That's a very dangerous game and it comes down to ego and insecurities. And not everyone is competing, but many are doing things to please others. Then there are also the ethugs which amuse me. They have a lot to say online, but not much in person.

Judging yourselves by the merits of others is not just an online thing.

I agree that forums often don't help -- but it is not the cause of any of it. Also, as far as e-thugs go, they are everywhere. With that said, many communities are able to keep them to a minimum (see: SA).

With that said I also personally hate car forums, for the most part. While some are okay, most are bastions of ignorance and terrible.

For those of you concerned with copy-cats, thus is life.

I think I'm more amused by people who think that they are the first to do X and that this is a big deal.

[Foolinaround]

There is too much lames going on here. What happened to the cool chat

[Fujito]

Originally Posted by Foolinaround

There is too much lames going on here. What happened to the cool chat

I'd rather talk about this than turn my brain off for generic banter.

[Foolinaround]

Then ill be back when its back to bro's just being bro's and chilling out.

[itwillboost]

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

Judging yourselves by the merits of others is not just an online thing.

I agree that forums often don't help -- but it is not the cause of any of it. Also, as far as e-thugs go, they are everywhere. With that said, many communities are able to keep them to a minimum (see: SA).

With that said I also personally hate car forums, for the most part. While some are okay, most are bastions of ignorance and terrible.



I think I'm more amused by people who think that they are the first to do X and that this is a big deal.

I definitely agree, but honestly I find forums more useful than not. I know the other one I have used for awhile and we all help each other out alot. The other day I drove 2 hours to help this kid fix his car after an accident. I got there and 4 other kids were there and another drove further than me. We all met on the forum.
And as far as being the first goes, alot of people never like the first to do something so the thing is even if you are the first you get no credit. Like the first honda odyessy front end conversion or ls engine swap on a 240, everyone hated. Now it's a big swap.