***TST's Official "Boring" Thread, Part Deux***

[piku]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

My panties are not in a bunch, but I disagree with pretty much everything you said, piku, lol.

Devils advocate jul, how would you change things? Just don't go fast at all? Do it on a race track? etc...

[ASIAN JUL]

Originally Posted by piku

I know.. and Marina probably would too. Maybe speed is a guy thing.

Probably, lol.

Originally Posted by Oakes

The RIP thread is retarded. Most of the people posting there, either dont own or driven a fast car so don't know what they're talking about. Everyone is an angel, what Mark said was absolutely right. I'd rather the kid have sped and killed himself and not in traffic and a rear ending a family going to the beach.

Anyone who owns a car, that is fast or is capable of any threatening speeds and claims to have not done so, maybe not maxed out but considerably fast is a liar. All the others, are just sheep trying to be accepted for their views.

Except I missed the part where your car has to be fast to know that going that fast is dangerous? I'm not a sheep, I'm capable of my own thoughts. As far as I can tell, the people who won't speed are far outnumbered by the people who will. You can still drive irresponsibly in a 'slow' car and get yourself and/or others killed/injured. So I'm not seeing the point. And look, I don't care if y'all speed or do whatever but to act as though he wasn't driving irresponsibly is silly. But of course, it's okay to disagree.

[ASIAN JUL]

Originally Posted by piku

Devils advocate jul, how would you change things? Just don't go fast at all? Do it on a race track? etc...

I'd rather people would keep their triple digit speeds on the track. I'm all for people enjoying their vehicles as much as possible and getting your money's worth, haha, but I tend to think a race track is a little more controlled than 309. I don't think the street is an acceptable place to practice target shooting, so I say go to the range. Two different objects, obviously, but same idea. Have fun, but try to be as safe as possible, that's all.

[jpalamar]

He was safe as possible. Did it on open road at a time where there aren't many cars. Doesn't mean it is a good idea... yet I'm sure one night in the near future I'll be flying down 422 going 160+... just because I can. Doesn't mean it is a good idea and that I would desserve a thread dedicated to me being a moron.

[piku]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

Probably, lol.



Except I missed the part where your car has to be fast to know that going that fast is dangerous? I'm not a sheep, I'm capable of my own thoughts. As far as I can tell, the people who won't speed are far outnumbered by the people who will. You can still drive irresponsibly in a 'slow' car and get yourself and/or others killed/injured. So I'm not seeing the point. And look, I don't care if y'all speed or do whatever but to act as though he wasn't driving irresponsibly is silly. But of course, it's okay to disagree.

In my post I said that it was leaning towards responsible. What I meant by that was that while being irresponsible, he was doing most of what he could to reduce the irresponsibility of the act, and therefore he shouldn't be crucified. Sure going that fast is stupid and dangerous but so is jumping out an airplane, flying, snowboarding down a mountain at 50mph, drinking too much, etc. People try to kill themselves constantly. It's what most men (and a lot of women too) live to do.

The point I think oakes was trying to make is that if you're driving around in a stock corolla you might think 120mph is crazy nutso you're whacked out fast, but in a proper car with proper brakes, etc. It's really not so bad. Consider that someone I know who is not a car or driving enthusiast like me will happily do 90mph in his not well suited car. 120 is just 30 faster. Also proven many times that there are less deaths on the autobahn than on similar US highways and the picture starts to become clear that on US highways, people are being bored to death literally.

[piku]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

I'd rather people would keep their triple digit speeds on the track. I'm all for people enjoying their vehicles as much as possible and getting your money's worth, haha, but I tend to think a race track is a little more controlled than 309. I don't think the street is an acceptable place to practice target shooting, so I say go to the range. Two different objects, obviously, but same idea. Have fun, but try to be as safe as possible, that's all.

Except that there's no close tracks (except for a drag strip but even that is pretty far). The reason this is is more than likely because any projects that got started got shut down by neighbors due to noise and riff raf a race track would bring. Couple that with the financial barrier to entry. I don't think the local tracks are like the nurburgring where you can pay $50 and have at it in any car. I agree with you that it's better suited for the track but.... what if you can't even if you wanted to?

[Oakes]

He was driving irresponsibly, but in a responsible way for doing it irresponsibly.

I was talking about the people who are like, there's no reason to go that fast ever!!! 2012 WILL COME SOONER IF YOU DOOOOO!!!@3EGRSGFADOIH

Those people, have not driven or owned vehicles capable of that, simply why they say there is no reason to do that. However, if you've never had that room to work with, how can you give a legitimate opinion on how not to do so. It's simple. You leave a kid alone in a room with a cookie jar, mom (law) says not to touch it. She walks out, no one around....hmmmm, I'll grab a cookie, **** what she thinks! YEAH! You take as many as you can until she comes back in, but what if shes taking longer, there's more cookies, why not take more right? Same thing goes with your speedometer, if it still has a few ticks and the road is clear, why not see what it can do right? You're invincible, **** it.

Take that same scenario, same cookie jar, but put a lock on it, mom has the key. Or maybe she took just enough cookies out already so you can only have x amount. Think of this as a "slow" car that starts struggling at 80mph, not gonna try much harder after that are ya? So you dont take as many cookies or you just cant, so in essence, make that the car you're driving. You can only make it to 80mph, which is too fast for any legal road, but you get there anyway cause you can right? Same thing with a car that tops out at 160+, if you can do it, why not? It's the same with any scenario. It's those with self control or a mature idea of the end result that live, and it's those that eat all the cookies until they realized mom is walkin back and have the crumbs around their mouth. It's just a matter of gettin caught by the law, or sent 6 feet under.

[piku]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

He was safe as possible. Did it on open road at a time where there aren't many cars. Doesn't mean it is a good idea... yet I'm sure one night in the near future I'll be flying down 422 going 160+... just because I can. Doesn't mean it is a good idea and that I would desserve a thread dedicated to me being a moron.

I'll post it here but I don't think anyone is honoring the act so much as the kid. If I died stepping on a rake like sideshow bob and got hit in the face in just the right way, I'd still hope that people would mention it briefly. If nothing else it's a data point.... That and I'm sure troll has limitless hard drive space for useless drivel in addition to the good stuff.

[ASIAN JUL]

Originally Posted by piku

In my post I said that it was leaning towards responsible. What I meant by that was that while being irresponsible, he was doing most of what he could to reduce the irresponsibility of the act, and therefore he shouldn't be crucified. Sure going that fast is stupid and dangerous but so is jumping out an airplane, flying, snowboarding down a mountain at 50mph, drinking too much, etc. People try to kill themselves constantly. It's what most men (and a lot of women too) live to do.

The point I think oakes was trying to make is that if you're driving around in a stock corolla you might think 120mph is crazy nutso you're whacked out fast, but in a proper car with proper brakes, etc. It's really not so bad. Consider that someone I know who is not a car or driving enthusiast like me will happily do 90mph in his not well suited car. 120 is just 30 faster. Also proven many times that there are less deaths on the autobahn than on similar US highways and the picture starts to become clear that on US highways, people are being bored to death literally.

Oh, no doubt do I think driving at night with fewer chances of traffic and doing 130+ is smarter than doing it in broad daylight but that still doesn't mean it was smart. And that's the only point I'm making.

But I'm sorry, I still think that if someone was doing triple digits on a public road and happened to get in an accident and kill one of our friends or family members, that EVERYONE would be calling him being irresponsible, rather than just some. Put it this way, if the deceased kid had lived and his passenger died or if he lived and crashed into and killed a car full of people, he would probably be charged with manslaughter, no? Would there be that much sympathy, then?

I also feel really strongly against people driving under the influence and have no sympathy for anyone who gets killed doing so... I feel pretty strongly about certain things, and I'm also willing to accept that someone can feel just as strongly the other way. I find little point in continuing to try and explain myself.

I'm not sitting here laughing at the kid for getting himself killed, I just simply think he got himself killed making a bad decision that maybe some of you make all the time. That's all.

[Oakes]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

Oh, no doubt do I think driving at night with fewer chances of traffic and doing 130+ is smarter than doing it in broad daylight but that still doesn't mean it was smart. And that's the only point I'm making.

But I'm sorry, I still think that if someone was doing triple digits on a public road and happened to get in an accident and kill one of our friends or family members, that EVERYONE would be calling him being irresponsible, rather than just some. Put it this way, if the deceased kid had lived and his passenger died or if he lived and crashed into and killed a car full of people, he would probably be charged with manslaughter, no? Would there be that much sympathy, then?

I also feel really strongly against people driving under the influence and have no sympathy for anyone who gets killed doing so... I feel pretty strongly about certain things, and I'm also willing to accept that someone can feel just as strongly the other way. I find little point in continuing to try and explain myself.

I'm not sitting here laughing at the kid for getting himself killed, I just simply think he got himself killed making a bad decision that maybe some of you make all the time. That's all.

Pointless reading all the bold, since none of that happened. No influences, no other people killed. So no reason to address those points. Also, your first point, is what we're all arguing and you've agreed with us. The End.

[ASIAN JUL]

Originally Posted by piku

Except that there's no close tracks (except for a drag strip but even that is pretty far). The reason this is is more than likely because any projects that got started got shut down by neighbors due to noise and riff raf a race track would bring. Couple that with the financial barrier to entry. I don't think the local tracks are like the nurburgring where you can pay $50 and have at it in any car. I agree with you that it's better suited for the track but.... what if you can't even if you wanted to?

So, spending the money it costs to be able to race your car at a track is more important your life? I don't think so. Even so, maybe my views differ from everyone else because I think human life is more precious than going really fast.

Originally Posted by Oakes

He was driving irresponsibly, but in a responsible way for doing it irresponsibly.

I was talking about the people who are like, there's no reason to go that fast ever!!! 2012 WILL COME SOONER IF YOU DOOOOO!!!@3EGRSGFADOIH

Those people, have not driven or owned vehicles capable of that, simply why they say there is no reason to do that. However, if you've never had that room to work with, how can you give a legitimate opinion on how not to do so. It's simple. You leave a kid alone in a room with a cookie jar, mom (law) says not to touch it. She walks out, no one around....hmmmm, I'll grab a cookie, **** what she thinks! YEAH! You take as many as you can until she comes back in, but what if shes taking longer, there's more cookies, why not take more right? Same thing goes with your speedometer, if it still has a few ticks and the road is clear, why not see what it can do right? You're invincible, **** it.

Take that same scenario, same cookie jar, but put a lock on it, mom has the key. Or maybe she took just enough cookies out already so you can only have x amount. Think of this as a "slow" car that starts struggling at 80mph, not gonna try much harder after that are ya? So you dont take as many cookies or you just cant, so in essence, make that the car you're driving. You can only make it to 80mph, which is too fast for any legal road, but you get there anyway cause you can right? Same thing with a car that tops out at 160+, if you can do it, why not? It's the same with any scenario. It's those with self control or a mature idea of the end result that live, and it's those that eat all the cookies until they realized mom is walkin back and have the crumbs around their mouth. It's just a matter of gettin caught by the law, or sent 6 feet under.

Isn't this the same website that everyone flipped out when a cop was doing 90mph or something and rammed into a couple of kids in a car making a turn and killed them?

And I'll tell you why not... I don't care if I had the fastest car on the East Coast, I still know I'm not invincible, I still know that not everything is in my power, and I know death is around the corner at all times. People can go ahead and zoom around doing triple digits if they want to, but it's not going to stop me from disagreeing with it, that's all. I just think people should be smarter about things when it comes down to what's more important: Going fast or your life and/or someone else.

[piku]

Holy crap, one of my coworkers got me a bmw front plate for my car

[piku]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

Isn't this the same website that everyone flipped out when a cop was doing 90mph or something and rammed into a couple of kids in a car making a turn and killed them?

Yeah... but that's a cop. It's someone who has made it their job to believe that speed limits matter and regularly mess up people's lives over it. Way way different.

[Elliott18t]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

Isn't this the same website that everyone flipped out when a cop was doing 90mph or something and rammed into a couple of kids in a car making a turn and killed them?

i hateeeeeeee when cops ram cars to stop them..

[ASIAN JUL]

Originally Posted by Oakes

Pointless reading all the bold, since none of that happened. No influences, no other people killed. So no reason to address those points. Also, your first point, is what we're all arguing and you've agreed with us. The End.

No, actually, your point was not the only point I was addressing, and it's not the only point being 'argued' in the thread about Jake.

And I think it's actually slightly comical that you're telling me the other stuff is irrelevant, because I'M arguing that driving that fast on a public road is irresponsible in general in response to Mark's question, and NOT just talking about this kid that died. I mentioned the deceased and hypothetically what could've happened, but my opinion as a whole isn't based off of Jake and his accident.

I'm sure that if it was your sister or your friend that was in the car when Jake did triple digits and could've possibly killed your sister, you'd be humming to a different tune about it.

But oh well. **** happens. You and I clearly have different views on irresponsibility when it comes to driving.

[ASIAN JUL]

Originally Posted by piku

Yeah... but that's a cop. It's someone who has made it their job to believe that speed limits matter and regularly mess up people's lives over it. Way way different.

Huh? So it's more okay for a citizen to kill someone from irresponsible driving than it is for a cop to kill someone from irresponsible driving? I think if it were my friend or family member, I'd be just as upset either way...

Originally Posted by Elliott18t

i hateeeeeeee when cops ram cars to stop them..

They didn't. They were speeding for no reason, at night, on a fairly empty road, and a kid with a passenger decided to make a left hand turn in front of them at the last second.

[Oakes]

Hmmm...someones manipulative techniques are rubbing off on you. Regardless. I would hope to christ you see the difference between a Cop doing 90 and a civilian doing 90, I'm actually disappointed you even decided to bring that up in any relevance to this topic.

I'm not talking about what everyone else's point in Jakes thread are, I was talking about Mark's point and my point, which are pretty similar. So if you want to go and compare that to the 90 other different points in that thread to make yours look better, than so be it. Mark and I were not talking about being under the influence, you included that yourself, and it had nothing to do with Jake's fatal accident. You're straying from the topic to include other random thoughts and non-relevant points to the pretty straight forward topic.

That said. It's a guy thing to speed and have fun, it's a girl thing to flip out and confuse everyone about it.

[Elliott18t]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

Huh? So it's more okay for a citizen to kill someone from irresponsible driving than it is for a cop to kill someone from irresponsible driving? I think if it were my friend or family member, I'd be just as upset either way...



They didn't. They were speeding for no reason, at night, on a fairly empty road, and a kid with a passenger decided to make a left hand turn in front of them at the last second.

oh ok, didnt read all of your post honestly :P

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by Oakes

That said. It's a guy thing to speed and have fun, it's a girl thing to flip out and confuse everyone about it.

This is truth.

[grimm]

there is already a thread to debate this BS in, let's not clutter this awesome happy thread with overflow of that thread.