600hp?

[012.5RS]

im with troll on this one. I'm working on building a 2.1L stroker for my wagon. Doin as much research as possible, I'm only aiming for the engine to be able to handle 350-370whp and having it tuned to 300whp cause its a DD not a race car. Also coming from someone who had a swapped GC(albeit only a few weeks... DAMN DEER!) It is a heck of a lot lighter than a cobra, and will react a whole lot different too. I had a ej20 with P&P VF39, tial 38mm ewg, TBE and all other supporting mods and even roughly tuned running slightly rich it was truly faster than what i was thinking it would have been. Dont forget 500whp(let alone 600whp) in an AWD car is a lot diff than a 600whp RWD car. GC's are between 2400-2800lbs, cobras are +/- 3700lbs. Just makes sure u do A LOT of research since u say u wanna do it once and do it right.

Could u give a more indepth parts list as well as a goal for the car. ie. drag/road course/hill climb/endurance.... That will def help in getting more accurate and useful info on suggestions and insight.

[Supraru]

So you sound like you're building a baller car. Why are you going to do this build and still rock a stock crank? Makes no sense. If you're going to build an engine don't skimp out especially when you're trying to throw a lot of hp at it. Build it right the first time and put parts in it that are more then capable of handling what you're trying to do. Sounds like you've got plenty of money that's going into this beast so go big or go home. Don't throw cheap parts into it.

[Renegade_]

Well, um, your talking about 1 friend of yours who did things once.

We are talking about the couple hundred examples of online cars including dyno charts, tuning info, and when they blew up. And we are trying to help you avoid that last mistake.

600whp can happen on stock sleeves. An EJ251 has done 600whp on stock sleeves, but its really not recommended because they eventually failed anyway. You want 600whp? Call crawford or axxis and order a block.

Boom - http://store.crawfordperformance.com/store/products/77

You wanna be baller and have no problem throwing money at the deal? Those are the two manufacturers I would go with. They do more to their blocks than just rods and pistons like you want to do, and it will hold it more reliably and with less BS on your end.

Pay to play.

P.S. Thank you Ryan. Meth is a crutch to get to a power level. IMO you should spray it OVER the tune, not WITH the tune to keep it safe and get the tiny bump in HP it gives you.

[RyanG]

Originally Posted by TROLL

Totally disagree with calling meth a crutch... thats just misinformation.
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not misinformation. Just an opinion ;) I personally would rather use race gas.

[2000subi]

i def get what your opinion of the meth running it on top of a tune and think i am actually going too do that to keep everything safe.

i was looking at crawford blocks for awhile and was looking at getting one of those but i found another company i was thinking about going with a company called outback? they offer sleeved blocks for 800 bucks from what i have heard from people but never finished looking into it. and i think at first i said this wrong but 012.5rs said it right i want a motor capable of 600whp but am not looking too run that much considering im driving it daily so i will probably tune it down to right around 500whp.

Parts list:
04 sti block
04 sti crank
Brian Crower Rods
JE pistons 8.5:1
OEM Bearings
Steel crush head gaskets
APR head studs
02 wrx heads PnP
Fiera 1+ valves
Super tech Springs and retainers
PnP tgv, intake manifold, and throttle body (grimmspeed)
Crower 272 or 280 cams
Custom built header up pipe
Custom built down pipe
gt40r twin scroll turbo
AEM 1 gallon meth kit
Hydra EMS
Perrin Fuel rails
Dual Walboro 255 fuel pumps
Custom fuel lines
1200cc + injectors
Oil cooler
Air oil seperator
wrx 5 speed
ppg gear set
3.90 vlsd rear diff

I think thats most of it if i missed anything ask and i can tell you

[deb38]

I'd go with an HTA86 over a 40r. You are going to get better spool, and reach your 600whp goal. Not to mention the turbo looks a lot more baller.

[Supraru]

Originally Posted by 2000subi

i def get what your opinion of the meth running it on top of a tune and think i am actually going too do that to keep everything safe.

i was looking at crawford blocks for awhile and was looking at getting one of those but i found another company i was thinking about going with a company called outback? they offer sleeved blocks for 800 bucks from what i have heard from people but never finished looking into it. and i think at first i said this wrong but 012.5rs said it right i want a motor capable of 600whp but am not looking too run that much considering im driving it daily so i will probably tune it down to right around 500whp.

Parts list:
04 sti block
04 sti crank
Brian Crower Rods
JE pistons 8.5:1
OEM Bearings
Steel crush head gaskets
APR head studs
02 wrx heads PnP
Fiera 1+ valves
Super tech Springs and retainers
PnP tgv, intake manifold, and throttle body (grimmspeed)
Crower 272 or 280 cams
Custom built header up pipe
Custom built down pipe
gt40r twin scroll turbo
AEM 1 gallon meth kit
Hydra EMS
Perrin Fuel rails
Dual Walboro 255 fuel pumps
Custom fuel lines
1200cc + injectors
Oil cooler
Air oil seperator
wrx 5 speed
ppg gear set
3.90 vlsd rear diff

I think thats most of it if i missed anything ask and i can tell you

So you're going to go with a company named outback who no one has ever heard. Like I said. You're dropping all this loot into your car and you seem not really to have a budget. Buy a nice reputable crawford block and call it a day.

[Honest_Bob]

nvm, I read incorrectly.

[Fujito]

Fast/Reliable/Cheap

You can only get 2 out of the 3

[DaveSTi]

Originally Posted by Honest_Bob

nvm, I read incorrectly.

still made me chuckle.

[2000subi]

i will have too look into that turbo. and i understand outback isnt that big of a company but is there any difference in buying a crawford block and getting the motor sleeved?

[TROLL]

Originally Posted by 2000subi

i will have too look into that turbo. and i understand outback isnt that big of a company but is there any difference in buying a crawford block and getting the motor sleeved?

Yes.

Listen to yourself. $800 for a sleeved block? If you really believe thats even worth thinking twice about, then I'm concerned.

This is going to be expensive as hell. You're wasting your time and money unless you go to the pros on this one, the best of the best, and you spend every dollar that it takes to do it properly.
I really wouldnt recommend doing this at all because of the insane cost, but if you do, there's only one way to do it... and its going to be $$$.

[Supraru]

Originally Posted by TROLL

Yes.

Listen to yourself. $800 for a sleeved block? If you really believe thats even worth thinking twice about, then I'm concerned.

This is going to be expensive as hell. You're wasting your time and money unless you go to the pros on this one, the best of the best, and you spend every dollar that it takes to do it properly.
I really wouldnt recommend doing this at all because of the insane cost, but if you do, there's only one way to do it... and its going to be $$$.

Why stop there. If you want cheap just build the engine from ebay parts. lol

[EklipzGSXkid]

As everyone else is saying, Do tons of research, and make sure you DO NOT cheap out on anything. If you have money to build a car, Then you might aswell not think twice about worrying looking for cheaper parts, Or looking to be a ginny-pig for the newest/latest parts out. Buy once, Buy right. Either way, A properly built car is going to cost you a TON of money. I had spent almost $70,000 on my 06' sti, (Including the price of the car though), Last year. One thing you need to ask yourself before ANYTHING is, IS IS WORTH IT? What do you plan to do with the car? Do you own a house yet? Do you have ANY bills? If the answer is no to the first, And yes to the second, Then I would reconsider the build (Assuming you are sparing no expense and going to be dropping BIG money on the car.

Just trying to help. I think you'll regret spending the money on doing such a high dollar build on a car, If you have bills to pay every month, Or you do not yet own a home and either live at home with your parents, Or have them help you out ETC (Not saying this is the case, Just trying to give you advice so you don't spend all your money on something you'll be regretting), Unless you actually plan to do something with the car where it is going to be bringing you money back in, in the future.

[ndubz]

Dude, if you are trying to cut any corners at all you have no business trying to make that sort of power. It seems to me if you were some rich arab kid or something with a unlimited budget, then you would just order the best most expensive parts you could buy. But you are trying to cut costs, so my advice to you is to build your car to like 350-400whp and see how that is for you. then if you think you want more go for more once you have the money to absolutely do it right.

Another thing, have you ever owned a car with more than 300whp? cuz u said u wanna DD a 500whp GC and I found that funny. Im glad uve driven a 600whp cobra, but having driven around in a car like that for fun is one thing, having to live with it all the time is completely different. U need to remember there are laws on the roads. My 320ish whp sti blows the speed limit away in an instant, just think of what a 500 or 600whp GC will do. sounds like a hassle to me. And if u havent had any real experience with high power cars other than a joyride or 2, then ur not accustomed to that sort of power, and if u add 400whp all at once then u'll probly kill urself.

Sounds to me like u should re-evaluate what u are doing here. U may have some money, thats great, but do u have enough. Cuz Ive seen many high power subie builds exceed 40-50 grand. And if ur gonna spend that much u should deff get some security, cuz u will be a huge target.

Also, if u have any debt at all, dont do it. If u are trying to do this on credit, then absolutely dont do it, then go check urself into a mental home. Also make sure u know the purpose for this build, if it doesnt have a purpose then u will regret it. If u are just doing this to have a 500hp car or w/e, save urself the money on the car and just go buy some Enzyte to make urself feel better.

PS: if u just wanted a 500hp car and u have the money to do this build then u bought the wrong car. for the 50k or so u'll spend here u couldve had a 911 turbo, viper, vette, supra, Skyline, etc all with over 500whp

[DaveSTi]

honestly, threads like this should just be locked as they are either created by a troll for kicks or by a poster with down syndrome super aids since anyone with any relative intelligence would know better than what this guy is proposing. I mean haven't we seen this thread before a few times now and the OP obviously never gets it done but manages to just get criticized for a few pages without resolution?

My reply to the OP:

"Sure ya do"

lock thread.

[2000subi]

One im not rich im paying for all of this out of my pocket mommy and daddy havent paid for anything of my car. two davesti i already have half the car build so it will be going together. From there i am building it too get into this as a career i have built a about a half dozen subaru motors but have never really built one with high horsepower i have rebuilt one but just put bearings in it. I know subaru's and i am going to build this from what i have been figuring out and did some research and think im going too set the car down too around 525whp i was looking at some videos of CFT? i think it was too see what setups ran what. This car is basically my project in school in an engines class. I am really just looking too buld a car for a daily driver that can throw down good times at a drag strip

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by 2000subi

One im not rich im paying for all of this out of my pocket mommy and daddy havent paid for anything of my car. two davesti i already have half the car build so it will be going together. From there i am building it too get into this as a career i have built a about a half dozen subaru motors but have never really built one with high horsepower i have rebuilt one but just put bearings in it. I know subaru's and i am going to build this from what i have been figuring out and did some research and think im going too set the car down too around 525whp i was looking at some videos of CFT? i think it was too see what setups ran what. This car is basically my project in school in an engines class. I am really just looking too buld a car for a daily driver that can throw down good times at a drag strip

more power to u. But I still maintain a 500whp impreza is stupid to DD. Especially if u want it set up for drag racing.

And u say u aren't rich. But u have 30-50k in cash to throw down on a car. People who aren't rich don't have that kind of money to just piss away. So either ur retarded with ur budget or I don't want to know how u make all that money. If u need to launder it, a car is a good place to put it cuz u can get most of it back. But if ur legit and not rich then u would be ab idiot to drop that kinda cash into a car like that. If ur in the demographic that most of this site consists of then u aren't in the position in life to drop that type of cash unless u have a huge trust fund.

Sounds to me like u should run a 400ish whp setup and really set up the chassis and drivetrain for the strip, and also buy a decent dd. Because with the money u will spend on the car ur talking about, u can easily have both.

[peteyturbo]

If you can build a solid engine (since subaru cannot) you can hit your 600hp goals on pump gas (dynojet).. But in the end you will just be buying horsepower at a ratio that is far from being financially wise as opposed to other platforms, i.e. sell the subaru and buy something with potential

[Renegade_]

30k in a GC will do 500whp.

10k for a block, 5k for a turbo setup, 5k for STi drivetrain and mounts, 2k in fuel mods (including meth setup), 2k for exhaust/header, 1k in gauges/tune, and the other 5k for seats, 6 point, and misc crap.

Im overblowing it, but if you want a setup that has a potential for 600whp, you gotta pay to play. BTW, 600hp in a GC is retarded fast and you will, by sheer chance, crash it. Ive driven 500whp... and its ridiculously fast. 2.3 + 35R (was an evo) and I was pretty sure you would NEVER need that power on the street...