"Legalize It" Guarantees Itself A November Ballot

[c0nfl1kt]

Originally Posted by wonner

And alcohol's not? Or cigarettes? The "gateway" excuse is as old as Nancy Reagan.

lol beat you to it

[wonner]

Well, I'm typing one handed while feeding a 6 mo. old his bottle.

[OutlawzPrez]

You can control how much alcohol you consume & how it effects you. One shot doesn't get you drunk, but one hit can get you high... Wouldn't you agree?

[wonner]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

One shot doesn't get you drunk, but one hit can get you high... Wouldn't you agree?

No. One hit sometimes will do nothing.

[OutlawzPrez]

Depends what your smoking. Not dirt, mids might do it. But if its gov't grown you can be sure to get a high from one or two hits.

[wonner]

What does this have to do with being a "gateway drug"? Alcohol and cigarettes are way more harmful for you and they also can be considered a "gateway" to other things, yet they've been legal for years.

[Renegade_]

The gateway drug argument only holds water if its dealt on the streets because you are exposed to other things. People won't go searching for stuff unless they feel they want to try it anyway. And then nothing will stop them anyway...

If weed were to be dealt out of wawa in cigarette form, you wouldn't have to deal with the heroin dealer from the block in philly.

[c0nfl1kt]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

Depends what your smoking. Not dirt, mids might do it. But if its gov't grown you can be sure to get a high from one or two hits.

Your point is admirable, but it is very vague. I don't even smoke pot. Never even tried it, but I think it should be legalized. That is the ONLY way to keep a tight grip on it.

[OutlawzPrez]

Legalization would increase the chances of the drug falling into the hands of kids, but on the other hand the FDA or others could regulate the quality and safety of it.

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

The gateway drug argument only holds water if its dealt on the streets because you are exposed to other things. People won't go searching for stuff unless they feel they want to try it anyway. And then nothing will stop them anyway...

If weed were to be dealt out of wawa in cigarette form, you wouldn't have to deal with the heroin dealer from the block in philly.

People experiment with what is often thought of as a "harmless" drug. Then, after using it for a while, a bigger "high" is sought; people then turn to the harder s*** like heroin, LSD, nose candy, etc.

[DPancoast]

meh, couldnt care less really

[Renegade_]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

People experiment with what is often thought of as a "harmless" drug. Then, after using it for a while, a bigger "high" is sought; people then turn to the harder s*** like heroin, LSD, nose candy, etc.

No drug gives you a "bigger" high than the other, they are all different. The "bigger" high is bigger dosage. There is no correlation between heroin addicts and the cokehead looking for a bigger high switching camps. Plus they wouldn't switch camps because they are physically addicted already. It just doesn't work like that haha

The wrong idea is that people vie for a bigger high, the RIGHT idea is that once people start doing drug a normalization of substances COULD occur. Its a socialization thing, both being surrounded by people who have access to it, and being surrounded by people who do it. The drug concept isn't on a purely "self" basis.

Weed is weed, if it wasn't illegal it would grow wherever it could. It would just be a plant. Now, if it would happen to catch a-flame... there might be some side effects...

*edit* Correction, not skewed heuristics, incomplete ones. Theres more to the picture. Why don't people say alcohol is a stepping stone? Drugs and alcohol should just be drugs. You can't make the argument that alcohol is a stepping stone either. Ask yourself why and then apply it to marijuana if it was legal and it makes sense.

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

No drug gives you a "bigger" high than the other, they are all different. The "bigger" high is bigger dosage. There is no correlation between heroin addicts and the cokehead looking for a bigger high switching camps. Plus they wouldn't switch camps because they are physically addicted already. It just doesn't work like that haha

The wrong idea is that people vie for a bigger high, the RIGHT idea is that once people start doing drug a normalization of substances COULD occur. Its a socialization thing, both being surrounded by people who have access to it, and being surrounded by people who do it. The drug concept isn't on a purely "self" basis.

Weed is weed, if it wasn't illegal it would grow wherever it could. It would just be a plant. Now, if it would happen to catch a-flame... there might be some side effects...

Your operating off of skewed heuristics here.

Your partly wrong. I know alot of people that got tired of weed & started doing other drugs like coke. And if they never tried weed, they most likely would of never tried that. Well atleast in my town the new weed is coke. I don't do it & never would.

[Corey]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

People experiment with what is often thought of as a "harmless" drug. Then, after using it for a while, a bigger "high" is sought; people then turn to the harder s*** like heroin, LSD, nose candy, etc.

that is the most ridiculous statement ive ever heard

[OutlawzPrez]

But its somewhat true

[Corey]

its as true as saying fast food restaurants cause eating disorders, or saying coffee shops cause cocaine addictions

[Renegade_]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

Your partly wrong. I know alot of people that got tired of weed & started doing other drugs like coke. And if they never tried weed, they most likely would of never tried that. Well atleast in my town the new weed is coke. I don't do it & never would.

Cool, so the subject pool you are operating off of... maybe 10 people is more valid than the couple thousand per study that I will begin linking here.

Look up these articles before you come back with another statement.

Carlson, Scott R. et al. "Disinhibited characteristics and binge drinking among university student drinkers." 2009.

Woicik, Patricia, et al. "The Substance Use Risk Profile Scale: A scale measuring traits linked to reinforcement-specific substance use profiles" 2009.

MacKay, Sherry. et al. "Epidemiology of firesetting in adolescents: Mental health and substance use correlates." 2009.

Dunlop, Sally. et al. "Adolescent and young adult crash risk: Sensation seeking, substance use propensity and substance use behaviors." 2009.

Ismail, Chandrika, et al. "A model of substance abuse risk: Adapting to the Sri Lankan context." 2009.

I am giving you these because I know you won't look them up. Your just going to come back here and rephrase your point. When you decide to actualize your outlook on drugs, you know where to come back to, to redefine it. The last article is to show cultural impacts on drug use.

These are just a few.

[OutlawzPrez]

Like I said before, one of my biggest concerns are kids. Even unhealthy legal stuff such as cigs and alcohol are prohibited from being sold to kids. This is because kids generally don't exhibit the same reasoning, responsibility, and judgment of an adult.

The problem is even worse for weed use. Any time you make something legal, you increase the accessibility to children. All too often kids and teenagers get their hands on alcohol or cigarettes. We shouldn't let the same thing happen with weed.

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

Cool, so the subject pool you are operating off of... maybe 10 people is more valid than the couple thousand per study that I will begin linking here.

Look up these articles before you come back with another statement.

Carlson, Scott R. et al. "Disinhibited characteristics and binge drinking among university student drinkers." 2009.

Woicik, Patricia, et al. "The Substance Use Risk Profile Scale: A scale measuring traits linked to reinforcement-specific substance use profiles" 2009.

MacKay, Sherry. et al. "Epidemiology of firesetting in adolescents: Mental health and substance use correlates." 2009.

Dunlop, Sally. et al. "Adolescent and young adult crash risk: Sensation seeking, substance use propensity and substance use behaviors." 2009.

I am giving you these because I know you won't look them up. Your just going to come back here and rephrase your point. When you decide to actualize your outlook on drugs, you know where to come back to, to redefine it.

These are just a few.

I'll look it up & get back to you. Thanks for the research though.

[Renegade_]

Careful, its really dry, dry reading though. I didnt say it would be fun haha