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[CleanNeon98]

Of course there are exceptions (my grandpa and all older people really, plus a few others). To the air force guy, you think all immigrants should serve in the military? Are you telling me that all Americans should do it too? Why? Why not? Don't you find it embarrasing that immigrants can pass a citizenship exam and many Americans can't? The people who come here to make a better life for themselves and contribute to the society are ok with me, legal or not, there are practices in other countries that they want to escape and don't always get a visa. The people who come here to do nothing, legal of not, should be deported, to me it's a case by case basis, you can't generalize when it comes to people.

As far as cultures, some are bad, some aren't. Just because we celebrate hanukah at home and not Christmas doesn't mean we are pushing anything to anybody, we are just following our heritage; seems as though your logic is a bit flawed. We celebrate and honor different holidays because America is made up of so many different cultures, it's wrong IMO to ignore them just because they don't follow your beliefs. That's why I prefer to say happy holidays because it's not just about my culture of yours but about the holiday season and being courteous to everyone who takes part in it. If it wasn't for immigrants this country wouldn't be what it is today, don't even try to ignore or look down on them because you're just as American as they, far back a few hundred years ago I'm sure you have blood that is European, the only true Americans are native Americans, and even that is a mystery.

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Well then they are here to abuse America and should be made fun of. Not sure what you're trying to say here.

Yeah I got it, I would hate to learn a new language now. Doesn't matter. Do you read or are you just trying to raise your post count? Nobody cares about those people who come here and embrace the culture and language. It's those who think that the country they move to should bend for them that are the problem.

Why does nobody care? As far as I know those on a work visa still pay taxes, it just comes down to them being willing to work a job that either

A. Americans don't want
B. Being more suited for the job

If you want to talk about foreigners "taking American jobs" I'd be happy to dip into outsourcing with you. Do you want to hold immigrants accountable for that as well?

[Biggjerryc]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

Of course there are exceptions (my grandpa and all older people really, plus a few others). To the air force guy, you think all immigrants should serve in the military? Are you telling me that all Americans should do it too? Why? Why not? Don't you find it embarrasing that immigrants can pass a citizenship exam and many Americans can't? The people who come here to make a better life for themselves and contribute to the society are ok with me, legal or not, there are practices in other countries that they want to escape and don't always get a visa. The people who come here to do nothing, legal of not, should be deported, to me it's a case by case basis, you can't generalize when it comes to people.

As far as cultures, some are bad, some aren't. Just because we celebrate hanukah at home and not Christmas doesn't mean we are pushing anything to anybody, we are just following our heritage; seems as though your logic is a bit flawed. We celebrate and honor different holidays because America is made up of so many different cultures, it's wrong IMO to ignore them just because they don't follow your beliefs. That's why I prefer to say happy holidays because it's not just about my culture of yours but about the holiday season and being courteous to everyone who takes part in it. If it wasn't for immigrants this country wouldn't be what it is today, don't even try to ignore or look down on them because you're just as American as they, far back a few hundred years ago I'm sure you have blood that is European, the only true Americans are native Americans, and even that is a mystery.

Im on the same page you are. I just hate that there are immigrants (especially illegal ones) that get the good life that many Americans and devoted immigrants are fighting for or supporting. And the fact that many dont pay taxes? why?

And no i dont believe everyone should have to serve. That would basically be saying.. like it or not your supporting the war. Free country, you have a say in whether or not you want to fight for a cause. But like i said, i think immigrants should serve in some WAY SHAPE OR FORM. that does not necessarily mean go fight. it could even be simple jobs with a small tax from the military or something for a few years that basically says, ok im supporting my well being in this country. I just know alot of them dont pay taxes so they should be serving some way or another. not just coming for good money and the high life without paying.

[CleanNeon98]

Should they pay taxes? Sure. Should they have to hold jobs in the military to prove their worth? I don't believe so. I support this country (despite it's recent and rather speedy downfall) but I don't support it's military ideas. I wish our soldiers the best but I don't believe in the wars we fight and cannot push myself to be a part of them because I feel we are sticking our nose into other countries business for no reason and it's only harming our community.

[lagos]

Originally Posted by Biggjerryc

Im on the same page you are. I just hate that there are immigrants (especially illegal ones) that get the good life that many Americans and devoted immigrants are fighting for or supporting. And the fact that many dont pay taxes? why?

And no i dont believe everyone should have to serve. That would basically be saying.. like it or not your supporting the war. Free country, you have a say in whether or not you want to fight for a cause. But like i said, i think immigrants should serve in some WAY SHAPE OR FORM. that does not necessarily mean go fight. it could even be simple jobs with a small tax from the military or something for a few years that basically says, ok im supporting my well being in this country. I just know alot of them dont pay taxes so they should be serving some way or another. not just coming for good money and the high life without paying.

By that account, then everyone who turns 18 should serve as well to earn their keep in this country.

As far as paying taxes or not, there are plenty of Americans who work under the table and dont pay taxes.

Just because you are an immigrant doesn't mean you dont pay taxes and live some kind of "high life". Im not sure where you got that from. Illegals normally get crappy low paying jobs.

[Biggjerryc]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

Should they pay taxes? Sure. Should they have to hold jobs in the military to prove their worth? I don't believe so. I support this country (despite it's recent and rather speedy downfall) but I don't support it's military ideas. I wish our soldiers the best but I don't believe in the wars we fight and cannot push myself to be a part of them because I feel we are sticking our nose into other countries business for no reason and it's only harming our community.

i agree. we dont belong over the in the manner that we are. What im saying by military taxes though... the united states needs a military obviously. with immigrants coming over the population is going to grow. Its going to grow regardless of immigrants but it will be faster with them. The means more people to protect and such in the event that we do get attacked. So that was just an example. immigrants paying military tax to help the us support and protect them is perfectly acceptable by me. But i totally agree... we should leave most of those countries along. obviously the ones making nuclear weapons and such... that inhumane and i think we should have every right to go and stop them.

[Biggjerryc]

Originally Posted by lagos

By that account, then everyone who turns 18 should serve as well to earn their keep in this country.

As far as paying taxes or not, there are plenty of Americans who work under the table and dont pay taxes.

Just because you are an immigrant doesn't mean you dont pay taxes and live some kind of "high life". Im not sure where you got that from. Illegals normally get crappy low paying jobs.

crappy low paying jobs yes but less is more when your not paying taxes and such. and dont take everything literally. i do believe a lot it has top be on a case by case basis like clean neon said. and as for the under the table thing.. yea they do work under the table and at the same time they're accumulating a debt with the irs. my dad did that and eneded up paying 25000ish dollars in one year for the years he never paid...

[russiankid]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

I agree, I have been to a few places thus far, I tried to at least learn a few phrases in the native language and it can be hard. However, if I were so intent on leaving my homeland and going to a new place, I would make a huge effort to learn the language. I would never make fun of, insult or ridicule someone who is clearly trying to learn the language here in America. Sure a few ignorant kids will talk smack, but you can't assume everyone is that way.

As for your second statement, well I don't know what to tell you. Point is, if you move to a place with the intention of staying there for life, you had better learn to communicate with the locals, be it formal or not. So save your "I speak better English.......blah blah blah" crap for someone who is dumb enough to think it matters.

You are missing the point here. Communicating is one thing, but when people protest about immigrants learning English so that Americans can understand them(not only understand, but respect) is absurd because they cannot speak English properly either.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

Why does nobody care? As far as I know those on a work visa still pay taxes, it just comes down to them being willing to work a job that either

A. Americans don't want
B. Being more suited for the job

If you want to talk about foreigners "taking American jobs" I'd be happy to dip into outsourcing with you. Do you want to hold immigrants accountable for that as well?

Stop being such a liberal please. I, at no point, even insinuated that foreigners are "taking American jobs", so stop putting words in my mouth.

I think outsourcing is just fine too. It's the way business works. I know I wouldn't pay someone more money to do the same job as someone else, that is just stupid. If Americans want to cry about it, oh well. Perhaps they should understand that unskilled labor and menial jobs don't pay well, so they can either work for peanuts or get a better job. Too easy.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by Proven

Both of those Countries were Bombed and taken over by the US because their ideas conflicted with ours. If someone doesn't agree with you tell them to leave your country, or bomb theirs. This concept is of course part of American heritage and also part of why Terrorist and other countries hate us so much..

Correct, on the first part anyway. I wouldn't say their ideas conflicted with ours, unless you count genocide as an idea that should go unchecked.

Furthermore, STFU because we all know that people like you are the first to ask why the US doesn't do something when some crazy mofo is running around killing millions of people. Personally I think we should mind our own business and worry about our problems here in our own country.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by russiankid

You are missing the point here. Communicating is one thing, but when people protest about immigrants learning English so that Americans can understand them(not only understand, but respect) is absurd because they cannot speak English properly either.

I am not missing the point because you don't really have one. I promise you that more people protest in favor of illegal immigration than those who protest that people coming to America to stay should learn English. If they (those who you point out) can form a proper sentence or not is irrelevant because I promise you that they can effectively communicate with other English speaking people.

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Stop being such a liberal please. I, at no point, even insinuated that foreigners are "taking American jobs", so stop putting words in my mouth.

I think outsourcing is just fine too. It's the way business works. I know I wouldn't pay someone more money to do the same job as someone else, that is just stupid. If Americans want to cry about it, oh well. Perhaps they should understand that unskilled labor and menial jobs don't pay well, so they can either work for peanuts or get a better job. Too easy.

How does that make me a liberal? Because I believe in equal treatment for the people that deserve it?

[lagos]

[Proven]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

How does that make me a liberal? Because I believe in equal treatment for the people that deserve it?

Clean- there's no need to continue arguing with the Confederate mindset of ILL. No matter what you say he will come back with an insult. His concept of Business is one of the main reasons why our job market and economy sucks and why other Countries like India's economy is thriving (growing ruffly 9% annually).

[russiankid]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

I am not missing the point because you don't really have one. I promise you that more people protest in favor of illegal immigration than those who protest that people coming to America to stay should learn English. If they (those who you point out) can form a proper sentence or not is irrelevant because I promise you that they can effectively communicate with other English speaking people.

That is not the point I am getting at. One can communicate without even opening their mouth and saying words. How is that done? Because all around the world, many hand gestures mean the same thing or at least the person will understand you. What I am trying to say is that those people who expect immigrants to learn English in order to communicate verbally in English, should learn English for themselves because they cannot communicate properly using English either.

Just like Art said a few pages back, " Let me axe ya sometin." How is that correct English? Do people understand them? Yes they do and the reason they understand them is because people have adapted to improper pronunciation and usage of words.

[den9]

Originally Posted by Biggjerryc

Heres another idiot making assumptions.


Supposedly i am 18 and in an ivy league school... but what he doesn't know i I'm 19, i work a full time job a part time job and go to college at a community college have my own apartment and car that i pay for myself because i have no other choice. AND....As i stated already, i made my attempt in the air force. Sorry I'm not fit enough

how arent you fit to be in the military? like weight/strenght?

would you honestly want someone in the military who doesnt want to be there in the first place, doing a half assed job? i think the military should only be for people who want to be there and make something of it, not someone who is forced, or wants a free ride through college.

[bastid]

Originally Posted by Proven

His concept of Business is one of the main reasons why our job market and economy sucks and why other Countries like India's economy is thriving (growing ruffly 9% annually).

... Says the guy who supports the same while hypocritically posting from a computer where 99.999% of all the parts have been outsourced due to cheaper labor, tooling costs, etc.

[OutlawzPrez]

Wow I can't believe this thread is still going on, & especially how angry 2 or 3 people are because of it... DO US ALL A FAVOR & GET OVER YOURSELF!

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

How does that make me a liberal? Because I believe in equal treatment for the people that deserve it?

No, because it's a common liberal tactic to take things way out of context and put words in people's mouths. It's also pretty typical for you to just take ONE snippet from a post and ignore everything else.

So I will sit here and wait for you to quote a post of mine where I even came close to saying that people don't deserve equal treatment. And please spare us all if you're going to try and pull the "you are saying that one language/holiday/etc is more important than other ones". If that was your angle you would be wrong, I am not the one who made up American traditions, I am not the one who made English the primary language in this country and I am not the one who put into law the holidays that are recognized federally and thus NATIONAL HOLIDAYS.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by Proven

Clean- there's no need to continue arguing with the Confederate mindset of ILL. No matter what you say he will come back with an insult. His concept of Business is one of the main reasons why our job market and economy sucks and why other Countries like India's economy is thriving (growing ruffly 9% annually).

Ahhhh yes, me and my Confederate mindset.

My concept of business is a sound one. Unless somehow it makes good business sense to pay someone more money to do the same job. Don't blame me for the economy, I am not a greedy CEO nor am I a union worker who feels that turning a wrench on an assembly line is worth $30 an hour plus benefits. Countries like India and China are thriving because their people are doing what Americans used to do, which is work hard and accept that they might have to live a very modest life.

But hey, I would rather have a (supposed) Confederate mindset like mine than to be a Communist like you.