Should parents be held legally responsible??

[FocusDude]

In HS, my sister would take the bus to school and then walk the opposite direction and off school property. I suppose my parent's could have cuffed her arm to a desk, but I'm sure the ACLU would be all over that. Thankfully she wasn't a complete idiot and graduated on time, and now teaches... Ironic?

It's a tough call some parents just don't give a F, and let the kid do whatever. Yes that parent should be held liable. But there are many other kids who should be written off, the parent's do everything possible and more to do right for their child, but the kid is still a moron. The problem is how do you regulate it?

[ASIAN JUL]

Lol what exactly are parents supposed to do? Jesus Christ. If a kid, let's say 16, shows up at school then leaves at say, lunch time. What're the parents supposed to do about that? Put GPS tracking devices on their kids? Parents work, y'know.

[FocusDude]

Were no longer allowed to show any force on do anything in anyway that may cause some little snowflake to second guess the person they are or the actions they commit. Were all free spirits and just express ourselves in different ways thats all, they just need more encouragement and hugs!

You earn respect, your not owed it brat!

[sinner]

In an extreme situation, maybe a GPS tracker or ankle bracelet is a feasible option. If it came doen to that or jail time for the parent I'm sure they wouldn't mind having their kid where one. I think the point is that if your kid is so screwed up that he's skipping enough school to warrant intervention from law enforcement then you fu%&ed up as a parent somewhere thus making it their fault.

I also want to add that I skipped school quite a bit but I was smart enough to know when to say when. I also wasn't out committing crimes like the kids in the city do. I don't want to come off holier than thou.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

Eh well, I don't know any of you guys in RL so if you don't believe me that's fine.

Heres the car though http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...038_medium.jpg You can see the tint and the solid black on the windshield. Had a Dare plate with the red lettering and dare symbol painted over with black so you couldn't see it. The main purpose of the story though, was that he made me go home, and I missed a day of school because of it.

Did you let the cop know that you were turning around in the parking lot and on your way to school? When he told you to go home did you explain that you had to go to school? Or, did you keep silent and figure you'll take a day off/ miss school and have an alibi? (can't blame you if you did, but can blame you for putting it on the cop)

I'm going to guess the cop didn't realize you were a student and that he was just telling some kid to go home. Even if you said "I'm a student and need to go to class" and he said NO, go home, that you would be responsible and logical enough to know he can't enforce that and go to class.

[ImNickjames13]

I think that parents should be responsible up to a certain age. Once the child is in High School though the parents can't always do much about it because they can't always do much about it. Last year when I was a senior in High School my dad and I were the only people in the house and he left for work before I had to leave for school. He would make sure i was awake and then leave to go to work for the day. But sometimes, due to the fact that I suffered from slight insomnia last year and would fall asleep until usually 5AM Sometime I would fall back asleep after he left and then I wouldn't wake up until 1 or 2 PM (I got out of school usually by 2 or earlier everyday) My dad wouldn't get home from work until 7PM or later so he had no way of know I wasn't in school that day.

The thing that kept me going to school usually was because I was responsible for driving one of my friends to school and I would feel bad if they were late or missed a day because of me but after she got a car it all went downhill from there

Edit: even though I did skip school way more than I should have last year. I was not out committing crimes, nor was it enough to warrant any kind of legal action. And basically after I was accepted to college the only difference between my day if I went or did not go to school was in school I had to wake up every 45 minutes to go to another class. At home I didn't

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by sinner

for their kids skipping school? This was a discussion that we got into in a class that I'm taking. I was curious what your opinions are.

Nope. The kids will pay for it later on in life.

[sinner]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Nope. The kids will pay for it later on in life.

That's true, but if the kid doesn't understand the importance of getting an education, isn't it the parents fault for not instilling that idea in them at a young age?

[russiankid]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

Lol what exactly are parents supposed to do? Jesus Christ. If a kid, let's say 16, shows up at school then leaves at say, lunch time. What're the parents supposed to do about that? Put GPS tracking devices on their kids? Parents work, y'know.

They are supposed to discipline and raise their kids to work towards a goal and they should make them realize that they need an education.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by sinner

That's true, but if the kid doesn't understand the importance of getting an education, isn't it the parents fault for not instilling that idea in them at a young age?

Children aren't robots or computers. All's you can do is try and teach them the things they need to learn. W/ some kids it clicks and they will always try to do the right thing, others not so much.

Perfect parents doesn't always lead to perfect kids, and screwed up parents doesn't always lead to screwed up kids. To put a law in place that punishes parents for having kids is just plain retarded.

If a parent knows their kid is constantly staying home from school they should be punished though. If a parent sends their kid off to school every morning and the kid ditches on their own its not the parents fault!

Whats next, start punishing friends of people who do crime? "well, i know you weren't there and didn't take part of the crime, but we have proof you 2 grew up with one another and your being held responsible for not being a good friend"

[FocusDude]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Nope. The kids will pay for it later on in life.

No the hard working productive citizens in society will pay for it.

[sinner]

Originally Posted by Proven

Children aren't robots or computers. All's you can do is try and teach them the things they need to learn. W/ some kids it clicks and they will always try to do the right thing, others not so much.

Perfect parents doesn't always lead to perfect kids, and screwed up parents doesn't always lead to screwed up kids. To put a law in place that punishes parents for having kids is just plain retarded.

If a parent knows their kid is constantly staying home from school they should be punished though. If a parent sends their kid off to school every morning and the kid ditches on their own its not the parents fault!

Whats next, start punishing friends of people who do crime? "well, i know you weren't there and didn't take part of the crime, but we have proof you 2 grew up with one another and your being held responsible for not being a good friend"

When a kid isn't in school, the school calls the parents. It's not like the parents don't know. After a certain # of day skipped, the school reports it to child servces and at THAT point the police are involved. By then, the parents are well aware and I can gurantee they still have their TV, XBOX, cell phone, and surround sound in their rooms. Kids aren't disciplined, nor are they brought up the same way they were 20 years ago. As far as your statement about friends are concerned, friends aren't legally responsible for one another. Parents ARE legally responsible for their kids.

[sinner]

Originally Posted by FocusDude

No the hard working productive citizens in society will pay for it.

Correct, people need to start be accountable for their actions

[CleanNeon98]

I skipped high school a ton. If you look at my college GPA, you could assume that I'm mentally retarded, but I learn on my own outside of school. I write literally even though my comp grades are mediocre, I am well spoken, but I dropped speech class. I understand economics although I've failed the class, twice.

That's just how I am, I give speeches and presentations for work without problems but put me in front of a class and I'm shaking. I just hate school but it doesn't make me an uneducated person, and I always excell at everything I apply myself to, school just isn't that thing because I find it redundant. Almost anyone can learn by drilling themselves into a book, others can learn by watching, understanding, doing, and improving an already formulated task.

That being said, no parents shouldn't be responsible. It's up to everyone to succeed on their own, the opportunity is there and I don't think grades are the true measure of someones value and intelligence. I guess I'm different though. In a month at my new job I'm already on the tail of year long employees performance wise, if they had looked at my GPA, I'd never have gotten the interview. I'll have to struggle my way through school because that's the IMO stupid standard society has set for someones value as a person and employee. IMO it has nothing to do with grades.

[CleanNeon98]

People shouldn't be forced to stay in school, everyone has a different path to success. That said I think a lot of the new age people skipping school will just mooch social security when they grow up, so I don't really know if my logic works, not for everyone at least.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

I skipped high school a ton. If you look at my college GPA, you could assume that I'm mentally retarded, but I learn on my own outside of school. I write literally even though my comp grades are mediocre, I am well spoken, but I dropped speech class. I understand economics although I've failed the class, twice.

That's just how I am, I give speeches and presentations for work without problems but put me in front of a class and I'm shaking. I just hate school but it doesn't make me an uneducated person, and I always excell at everything I apply myself to, school just isn't that thing because I find it redundant. Almost anyone can learn by drilling themselves into a book, others can learn by watching, understanding, doing, and improving an already formulated task.

That being said, no parents shouldn't be responsible. It's up to everyone to succeed on their own, the opportunity is there and I don't think grades are the true measure of someones value and intelligence. I guess I'm different though. In a month at my new job I'm already on the tail of year long employees performance wise, if they had looked at my GPA, I'd never have gotten the interview. I'll have to struggle my way through school because that's the IMO stupid standard society has set for someones value as a person and employee. IMO it has nothing to do with grades.

Excellent points Alex. People in this country are really uptight about the education system, and forget the fact that it is possible to self educate. Some of the smartest and most innovative folks in this country had nothing more than an 8th grade education.

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Excellent points Alex. People in this country are really uptight about the education system, and forget the fact that it is possible to self educate. Some of the smartest and most innovative folks in this country had nothing more than an 8th grade education.

Agree. This isn't the case for everyone though, I learn on my own even though my grades are ****, a lot of other people who's grades are **** wouldn't even be able to compose this sentence properly. I know people who have graduated college with stars and stripes and now work in their areas of study, and others who graduated the same and are making a ton of money doing things not related to their program of study one bit.

I suppose parents should make an effort to keep their kids in school just because I believe only a small part of people can self-educate, but there shouldn't be a law mandating it, just like spanking your kids, god only knows my parents beat the **** out of me back in the old country and it didn't make me a better student, my report cards have been equally shameful since kindergarden

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by sinner

That's true, but if the kid doesn't understand the importance of getting an education, isn't it the parents fault for not instilling that idea in them at a young age?

Yeah, but on the same token, the parents shouldn't have to be hassled with court hearings, dealing with school meetings or paying any form of fines just because their kids are morons. I understand parents are ultimately responsible for their kids, but we aren't talking about paying for a broken window their kid hit with a baseball by accident. When a kid is in junior high and high school, they are old enough to know right from wrong, so if it was explained to them over and over again about how important education is and they still screw around, that is their fault. Most parents are working during the day, so short of putting a shock collars on kids at school, there isn't much you can do to make the kid stay in school. An assbeating would do the trick in most cases, but the liberals made sure that that isn't allowed anymore, besides, some kids are just born to be losers in life.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by FocusDude

No the hard working productive citizens in society will pay for it.

HA HA HA, how very very right you are sir, how very right you are.