The official TST I like guns thread.

[blkZ06]

get a glock in 9mm with good defensive ammo

[Drftpretty]

Newest Toy.

[den9]

lean into that ****in gun

[angdefeo]

Originally Posted by motorvated

I should have a PA address soon....searching for my first handgun. Can anybody recommend a few to start researching? Something not overly expensive, but that packs a punch..something good for a first timer.

Give us some more information first.

- Do you have any experience with handguns?
- How much do you want to spend?
- Will you just use it at the range or will you be using it for concealed-carry?

I think if you give use some hints there are many people here who can help.

[Drftpretty]

I was having too much trouble hitting pigeons with a 18" barrel to worry about stance.

It was my first time with my Shotty. I just wanted to run through a box of shells.

[Munky]

Originally Posted by motorvated

I should have a PA address soon....searching for my first handgun. Can anybody recommend a few to start researching? Something not overly expensive, but that packs a punch..something good for a first timer.

Originally Posted by blkZ06

get a glock in 9mm with good defensive ammo

^^^Yeah that.

Originally Posted by Munky

Glock 19 9mm w/ Uncle Mikes IWB holster for daily grind.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by Drftpretty

Newest Toy.

is this a public range? a friend of mine posted pics on his facebook that looked like they were taken at the same place.

[angdefeo]

I would suggest something other than a Glock for 1 reason. The Glock does not have a safety. That might be or not be an issue but would consider that when getting a pistol for home use. I would also consider a larger caliber such as 40 S&W.

[Drftpretty]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

is this a public range? a friend of mine posted pics on his facebook that looked like they were taken at the same place.

Yes sir. Free public trap field, Rifle range, and pistol range. All within 50 yards of each other. Less than two miles from my house. <3 the country.

[blkZ06]

Originally Posted by angdefeo

The Glock does not have a safety.

Your right, it has 3

[ScoobySTi]

Originally Posted by angdefeo

I would suggest something other than a Glock for 1 reason. The Glock does not have a safety. That might be or not be an issue but would consider that when getting a pistol for home use. I would also consider a larger caliber such as 40 S&W.

Glock 27 was my first handgun...but then again I grew up around guns. My father and family being avid hunters and sportsmen. So I've been exposed to gun safety and handling all my life before my first handgun.

But I do agree with the advice about buying a gun with a manual safety. My buddy is interested in getting one and he has never shot a gun in his life. So I recommended him something with a manual thumb safety.

None of my handguns have "real" safeties

[Munky]

Originally Posted by angdefeo

I would suggest something other than a Glock for 1 reason. The Glock does not have a safety. That might be or not be an issue but would consider that when getting a pistol for home use. I would also consider a larger caliber such as 40 S&W.

Originally Posted by blkZ06

Your right, it has 3

[C'DALERIDER]

Well, for a 1st hand gun IMO it should be a revolver. I love revolvers for some reason. Probably casue when i use to reload I didnt have to chase after the shells...lol. But also, a gun like the Ruger black hawk or red hawk you can load the hell out of the rounds...ha. Its nice to blast off a few rounds within a minute, like with my glock 21 45 cal, and other goodies.....but revolvers are great fun to just shoot with.

I shot sporting clays and skeet for a long time. its the best! trap sucks...lol. sporting clays are not available. Skeet is the best! Reminton 1187 semi auto shotgun is the choice of most. Its awesome!!

[angdefeo]

Originally Posted by blkZ06

Your right, it has 3

If you are talking about these:
The Glock handguns all have three safety mechanisms: 1) the trigger safety, 2) the firing pin safety, and c) the drop safety. The only way a Glock handgun will fire is for the trigger to be pulled fully to the rear. The Glock is neither a technically true Single Action, nor a Double Action. Glock calls its action the "Safe Action", which is close to a Double Action.

Glock handguns were one of, if not the first, semi-automatic handguns designed with no external safety lever.

I know that if I pick up a one of my loaded Glocks pistols, pull the trigger, it will fire. Where as other pistols with an external safety engaged, you pull the trigger and nothing happens.

So in the hands of someone who is new to guns or might have children, i dont like the idea of a gun without a safety lever.

[den9]

Originally Posted by Drftpretty

I was having too much trouble hitting pigeons with a 18" barrel to worry about stance.

It was my first time with my Shotty. I just wanted to run through a box of shells.

a good stance will drastically improve your shots. i dont think the barrel length will matter too much, its probably the choke.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by angdefeo

If you are talking about these:
The Glock handguns all have three safety mechanisms: 1) the trigger safety, 2) the firing pin safety, and c) the drop safety. The only way a Glock handgun will fire is for the trigger to be pulled fully to the rear. The Glock is neither a technically true Single Action, nor a Double Action. Glock calls its action the "Safe Action", which is close to a Double Action.

Glock handguns were one of, if not the first, semi-automatic handguns designed with no external safety lever.

I know that if I pick up a one of my loaded Glocks pistols, pull the trigger, it will fire. Where as other pistols with an external safety engaged, you pull the trigger and nothing happens.

So in the hands of someone who is new to guns or might have children, i dont like the idea of a gun without a safety lever.

everyone has their own preferences and that's fine, but try to look at it a different way...

in my opinion, to learn proper firearm handling with a gun that has an external safety is like learning to bowl with bumpers. when you finally remove the bumpers, you'll suck at bowling because you've been using a crutch the entire time. if you rely on the fact that your gun has a safety, you could easily develop bad habits. i've seen it happen many times at probably every range i've ever been to... someone always manages to say something along the lines of "nah man, it's cool.. the safety's on."

that's the wrong attitude to have since a firearm is never really 'safe' with one in the chamber. if you learn on a weapon without an external safety, you're forced to treat the weapon like it's supposed to be treated all the time. you'll have no excuses or crutches.


also you mention having children... that really has nothing to do with anything. if the weapon is going to be stored somewhere, it will be unloaded or at least with nothing in the chamber. if the kid gets to it somehow, pulling the trigger won't do anything. if the kid is old/smart/strong enough to put in a mag and work the slide, then a safety obviously won't do a thing. if you're going to carry it all the time then it will be holstered and children should be taught not to grab at it or touch it at all. either way, children who cannot be trusted (including those too young to be trusted yet) have no business being around firearms at all. hell, adults who can't be trusted shouldn't be around them either.

[angdefeo]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

everyone has their own preferences and that's fine, but try to look at it a different way...

in my opinion, to learn proper firearm handling with a gun that has an external safety is like learning to bowl with bumpers. when you finally remove the bumpers, you'll suck at bowling because you've been using a crutch the entire time. if you rely on the fact that your gun has a safety, you could easily develop bad habits. i've seen it happen many times at probably every range i've ever been to... someone always manages to say something along the lines of "nah man, it's cool.. the safety's on."

that's the wrong attitude to have since a firearm is never really 'safe' with one in the chamber. if you learn on a weapon without an external safety, you're forced to treat the weapon like it's supposed to be treated all the time. you'll have no excuses or crutches.


also you mention having children... that really has nothing to do with anything. if the weapon is going to be stored somewhere, it will be unloaded or at least with nothing in the chamber. if the kid gets to it somehow, pulling the trigger won't do anything. if the kid is old/smart/strong enough to put in a mag and work the slide, then a safety obviously won't do a thing. if you're going to carry it all the time then it will be holstered and children should be taught not to grab at it or touch it at all. either way, children who cannot be trusted (including those too young to be trusted yet) have no business being around firearms at all. hell, adults who can't be trusted shouldn't be around them either.

I agree with all your points and I personally have followed that type of training in my own life. But i was replying to a question asked by someone who was asking for advice on what handgun to buy. I own a few Glocks, Sigs, HK's and Beretta. My personal opinion on Glocks is not that favorable. One of the factors is that i think that they are not for first time users. My main reason is that they dont offer the extra level of security of an external safety.

Golcks are very dependable, durable, made well and offer high capacity magazines. You can easily find parts and can be fired round after round with little care and cleaning. One the down side i have a some things that i dont like. I dont like the rear U-type factory sight. The sights are also not effective at night. The trigger compared to other pistols requires an uneven pull to fire. The break point on my pistols was very rough before i had them worked on by a gun smith. For me the down side is much larger than the upside.

[blkZ06]

Had to move two of my safes today figured id snap a couple pics of some of my rifles, the pics are dark I just grabbed my camera mid move and snapped





Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf Upper on a Double Star Lower
A-15 Double Star Lower with a DPMS Upper and Colt BCG
RRA LAR-8



Saiga 12
AR-15 9mm RRA Lower RRA Upper
H&K 93



AR-15 Spikes Lower, Fluted 16", LMT BCG, Eotech
FN Scar Ergo Grip, Trijicon ACOG
Sig 556 Classic Sig Tri-rail foregrip, Trijicon ACOG



AR-15 Stag Lower, DPMS Upper, Midwest Industries Rail, Ciener .22LR BCG
AR-15 Colt 6940
Sig 556 SWAT
Franchi SPAS-12 Marine Edition SPAS Scope Mount with Red Dot

[angdefeo]

Wow, thats a hell of arsenal. Very nice selection, i like you choices and tastes in rifles.

[den9]

i have the same socket light in my hall way lol. you need variety, some sniper rifles and sporting shotguns. i like the spikes infidel lower.