Feds Seize Illegal Nissan Skyline GT-Rs In Cali

[mcperson2k]

Originally Posted by GHost240SX

No they aren't considered kits. Kit car implies that it is a car constructed from a "KIT" aka no drive train and leave the factory unassembled. The government isn't stupid, and the only reason they care because it's an easy win. All you have to do is pull the person over and see how their **** is registered. There ARE skylines that are legal, BUT they are FEW and FAR between.

R32s are legal. SOME R33s and R34s are legal. It's all about the 15 year rule and believe it or not MOTOREX. Also, there wouldn't be soo much care about this if not for the F&F generation.

The 15 year rule doesn't apply to Skylines. Some people manage to get the 32's registered with their insurance companies, than claim they are "Legal" when they try to sell them, but they aren't. If they were, than everyone would be bringing them down from Canadia, no questions asks, since they are very affordable super cars.

[ScubaSteve]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

There's the reason I was going to post while I was reading down the thread... Steve, how's the car running?

It's running great but it never gets driven because I live in the city and I'm afraid that it'll get broken into if I keep it here.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

I doesn't really involve the condition of the actual vehicles. Its more like 'If in a head on collision will the back seat of a Nissan Skyline unbolt and crash into the front seats' 'Does the steering wheel easily detach' 'Is there a chance of electrical fire due to the cars engineering' Stuff like that.

Ya, but my point is that theres many older vehicles that have deteriorated to that level as well that are properly registered and legal in this country. If they really gave a **** about safety, then they should do what switzerland does and not allow people to drive deteriorating cars on the streets. There are definitely unconstitutional alterior motives at play here. And anyone who hears about this should be angry.

Yes they were registered as kit cars, yes many people chose to DD them with that registration. That is cause for a fine or the revoking of the cars registration, NOT the confiscation of the vehicle by the ****ing thought police. this is absolute bull**** and as an american I am ****ing furious over this because of their principles. As should all of you be. Land of the free.....It seems not so much. And thats a damn shame, because if we let them do this, then what is to stop them from making laws outlawing modifications, then they could confiscate all of our cars. They arent taking the skylines because of the safety laws, Bull****, they are taking them because of the cultural implications they have on illegal motoring activity. and this wont stop unless people get pissed off and stand up for their rights. Make no mistake, this is a direct assault on the freedom and the rights of a few of our fellow citizens, we should all get pissed about this, because if we dont, then one day it WILL be us.

[TalonTsi97]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

Some people manage to get the 32's registered with their insurance companies,

Insurance is the easy part, you can insure anything. They do it by value since the car won't come up in there system.

[BigWhiteTodd]

know how many improperly registered cars are in the US tons just these are easy targets. Has everything to do with money because it cost a arm and a leg to register a imported car. It's not a big deal looks like cops are doing their jobs I guess all the gangs and drugs are no big deal in cali.

[twastheglow]

Originally Posted by BigWhiteTodd

know how many improperly registered cars are in the US tons just these are easy targets. Has everything to do with money because it cost a arm and a leg to register a imported car. It's not a big deal looks like cops are doing their jobs I guess all the gangs and drugs are no big deal in cali.

hahahahahaah

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by BigWhiteTodd

know how many improperly registered cars are in the US tons just these are easy targets. Has everything to do with money because it cost a arm and a leg to register a imported car. It's not a big deal looks like cops are doing their jobs I guess all the gangs and drugs are no big deal in cali.

Of course not, hahaha I mean its not like the Mexican Mafia has most of their operations go through cali or anything. and its not like they are ripping apart Mexico as we speak because of these transport routes and others as well. But of course, making sure our roads are Skyline free is MUCH more important than dealing with a global criminal organization and their operations.

[marshallpre1]

I can't believe I'm gonna partly agree with ndubz here. Sure, the Skylines are illegal, but I want to know how many of them are here. Are there enough to really cause agencies to go after them? It's really just the EPA gaining ground from the green movement. Personally, I feel like this is the beginning of the end of car modifications. The Green Movement, whether their views are 100% correct or not, has put a negative connotation on performance cars. That's why I'm so confused about this whole thing. The percentage of performance cars compared to normal cars on the road is so small that it should be a non-issue. When I mod my car, I inject extra dollars into the struggling economy. If you cut that, then there's one less industry and more people without jobs.

[marshallpre1]

Update on Kaizo drama:

http://gtrusa.blogspot.com/2009/10/k...-thus-far.html

[DwagsSpecV]

whats funny is that 90% of the cars on this forum violate the EPA rules. Are they going to start seizing all cars with a turbo-back now? Wtf

[marshallpre1]

Originally Posted by DwagsSpecV

whats funny is that 90% of the cars on this forum violate the EPA rules. Are they going to start seizing all cars with a turbo-back now? Wtf

... My open dump is not violating anything. I don't see a check engine light anywhere...

[vantage08]

Maybe it's bc they slaughter cop cars. oh and who knows what else they were shipping in those boxes. :/

[Evolved]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

considering the way these cars were imported and classified as kit cars when they reached our shores... yes... they are considered, by the law, as kit cars

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

what you are failing to understand is, they were registered as kit cars by the company that imported them... therefore, they are kit cars. If the current owner does not abide by the rules of owning a vehicle classified as such, the government has every right to step in as those laws were in place before this vehicle landed on the shore and was registered as such.

Sorry, but you're wrong. What Ghost is saying is 100% correct. If the skylines had different engines in them it wouldn't be an issue but once you reassemble the car back to original factory specs then that's where you have a problem.

What Kazio was doing was/is illegal and that's why they were shut down.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

It has nothing to do with money, its the simple fact that they don't pass our safety standards / have never been tested, except my 2 companies who miserably failed.

+1. It is about the car being safe. My GTO is based off the Holden Monaro in Austrailia. In order to bring it to the US, they had to modify some things to meet US safety regulations.

It isn't any different. People with the money to buy these cars and import them, need to find the extra couple of bucks to make it legal.

I don't feel bad for people who exploit a loop hole and then get themselfs screwed.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by vantage08

Maybe it's bc they slaughter cop cars. oh and who knows what else they were shipping in those boxes. :/

So does just about any highly modifed preformance car.

[Elliott18t]

its because they can't pass US saftey/smog regulations... like jpalam said about the holden.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by Evolved

Sorry, but you're wrong. What Ghost is saying is 100% correct. If the skylines had different engines in them it wouldn't be an issue but once you reassemble the car back to original factory specs then that's where you have a problem.

What Kazio was doing was/is illegal and that's why they were shut down.

how am i wrong? the article states these cars were imported as Kit cars... they are therefore governed by the laws set for kit cars.

just because the importing company did something illegal doesn't absolve the end user of the crime. thats like saying if i sell an illegal handgun to someone and they get caught with it then they are not at fault for having purchased an illegal handgun.

i've no doubt that the people who purchased these cars knew of the difficult situation we have in america with these cars... a difficult and ridiculous situation. I'm not arguing the fact that this is a retarded seizure of these vehicles and that the difficulty of coming into possession of one is equally retarded.

I'm arguing that, these vehicles were legally seized by the government based on how they were a) illegally imported, b) registered incorrectly and c) driven unlawfully as stated by the laws in place for their registration type.

i think a vehicle should be able to be legally imported regardless of its country of origin and its crash testing based on the originating country's production numbers. if a vehicle exceeds a set number of produced units, that vehicle shall be legally imported into the states and an import tax be levied against it as well as a special title stating usage similar to a classic vehicle.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

i think a vehicle should be able to be legally imported regardless of its country of origin and its crash testing based on the originating country's production numbers. if a vehicle exceeds a set number of produced units, that vehicle shall be legally imported into the states and an import tax be levied against it as well as a special title stating usage similar to a classic vehicle.

It can be imported for track use, car shows pending it is trailered of course. The owner has the OPTION to take whatever steps are required to modify to meet US spec and have it inspected and titled accordingly.

Every country has its own requirements for safety. If you wanna drive it in the US, then do what you gotta do to make that happen, but don't complain if you dont. These people did not.

Plus they are commiting insurance fraud when they knowingly insure a car was a kit when it is just another car taken apart and put back together.

[evomike]

There is no real legitamite reason that you shouldn't be able to drie a skyline on us roads, I don't care what you say about us crash tests the only reason we need tests that's strict is because Americans can't drive. I think it's stupid that you can't import and drive whatever you want, I can drive a 32 ford around that is super dangerous because it was made here, and really let's think about this safety rule is it really a big deal it's a bit more unsafe people ride motorcycles around and they are super unsafe let's get serious it's all nonsence and you all know it.

[Elliott18t]

thats because a 32 ford is grandfather'd in. if this car was 20+ years old(i forget how old it needs to be) you can import it as something special IIRC. the lancia delta integrale is now legal i think... or soon to be.