Patriotism, heritage, immigration, and tradition: discuss!

[armyguy6566]

my brother. i was out shopping for winter boots for my daughter.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by poolmike

We don't have a national language. It should stay that way in a free country.

What what what? You would be the last person I would think would say that. I don't think your buddy ROn Paul thinks that way.


The thing that is funny is that, we want people to speak english over here, but yet when we go to there country, we also expect them to speak english. That just makes no sense.

Yes I feel it is political correct to say "Happy Holidays". I work in sales, and the last thing I want to do is say the wrong holiday and lose a sale. Just because some toothless, flanel-wearing, confederate flag waving, pick-up driving redneck, says it's unamerican to say anything else can go pound sand.

Thomas Jefferson stood for religous freedom, but yet we forget about the stuff he said.

[BradC]

Originally Posted by CHAOS

isnt cleaneon one of the guys that was saying he wasnt american and hated america or some **** a couple years ago?

Correct.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

I've always said happy holidays, it's better than guessing who is jewish, christian, muslim, etc.

Originally Posted by jpalamar

So its OK for YOU to celebrate YOUR belief and others not to? Just tring to figure out what makes you special. I thought the US was founded by people of all beliefs?

I do celebrate Christmas and all, but it doesn't matter to me if my calender says happy holidays or Merry Christmas, either way I'm off and get to spend time with my family.

Check the list of national holidays. Christmas has been adopted by America, it's part of our culture. And no, I am not religious at all, but we still do the tree, presents, big dinner, see family thing in my house. It has nothing to do with religion, other than it's roots, but it's just like every other holiday in America, commercialized. So I don't care if they are Jewish, Muslim or Atheist, I say Merry Christmas and if they don't like it, they can move to a country where the holiday they celebrate is the norm in that culture. It isn't like people are trying to convert them to Christianity, just a general greeting. People are always reading too deep into things.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by armyguy6566

i bet some people thing im an asshole.

I do.........you Army people drive me nuts, get a real job.

[grimm]

Originally Posted by 240sxDann

How does it effect me? It effects me when some illegal mexican calls me at work, and I can't understand a single word they are saying and they get mad. I'll sell you whatever you want, but if I can understand WTF you are even saying, I can't help you. And also like said in another post, when I walk in an AMERICAN store, I expect the employees to SPEAK and UNDERSTAND english. So yea, it does bother me. And if you go back and read my post, I said if they want to speak their own language to their friends and family who speak the same language, awesome for them. BUT, they should have to learn english so that the rest of us who DON'T speak their language can communicate with them even on a basic level. Habla español? NO mother****er, I don't.

If you walk into an "american" store and they don't speak english, you have the right to leave and go to another store. Just liek if someone calls and doesn't know english they have the right to call a store that will be better able to serve them by having employees speak their language.

[russiankid]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Bull! I can pick out a Russian from 500 yards.

Have you seen me before? Would you have known I was Russian?

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Check the list of national holidays. Christmas has been adopted by America, it's part of our culture. And no, I am not religious at all, but we still do the tree, presents, big dinner, see family thing in my house. It has nothing to do with religion, other than it's roots, but it's just like every other holiday in America, commercialized. So I don't care if they are Jewish, Muslim or Atheist, I say Merry Christmas and if they don't like it, they can move to a country where the holiday they celebrate is the norm in that culture. It isn't like people are trying to convert them to Christianity, just a general greeting. People are always reading too deep into things.

Christmas - the annual festival of the Christian church commemorating the birth of Jesus

Merry Christmas - Have a nice time celabrating the birth of christ.

Isn't that pushing religion on non-believers?

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by russiankid

Have you seen me before? Would you have known I was Russian?

Let me take a stab at it:

Your white

You were one of these:


You walk around with this:




So this is what you look like:




Долгосрочной службы мать Россия

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by importpower99

What what what? You would be the last person I would think would say that. I don't think your buddy ROn Paul thinks that way.


The thing that is funny is that, we want people to speak english over here, but yet when we go to there country, we also expect them to speak english. That just makes no sense.

Yes I feel it is political correct to say "Happy Holidays". I work in sales, and the last thing I want to do is say the wrong holiday and lose a sale. Just because some toothless, flanel-wearing, confederate flag waving, pick-up driving redneck, says it's unamerican to say anything else can go pound sand.

Thomas Jefferson stood for religous freedom, but yet we forget about the stuff he said.

Laws are always being changed, bent, broken, modified, etc. If we pass a law stating that English is our official language, someone, somewhere, somehow will get it changed. Freedom of Speech! Say what you want in whatever language you want to say it in.

[ASIAN JUL]

Christmas might be widely celebrated in "America" but it's not the ONLY holiday around that time of year! There are Jewish Americans, too, y'know. I just think it's a little presumptuous to assume that being an American citizen means you must celebrate Christmas. Do I think people should HAVE to say "Happy holidays" vs "Merry Christmas?" No, no one HAS to do anything. But please do not try and sit here and say, more or less, "**** every other religion or religious celebration, Christmas or get out of the country."

Also, non-religious families may celebrate Christmas, but that doesn't mean the holiday's purpose has been lost. Just check out a church on Christmas Eve - plenty of people celebrate Christmas for what it traditionally was. I am a person who does not believe in the concept of religion or 'god' but I will respect those who do, whichever religion that may be, as long as they're not pushing it on me.

Just keep in mind, not everyone who celebrates other holidays (like Christmas) are foreigners.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by importpower99

Christmas - the annual festival of the Christian church commemorating the birth of Jesus

Merry Christmas - Have a nice time celabrating the birth of christ.

Isn't that pushing religion on non-believers?

Nope! I would agree with you if the season and day itself weren't adopted by the country and pretty much twisted into a culture thing more than a religion thing. Saying Merry Xmas isn't pushing a darn thing on people. However, if the government were to say that only those who celebrate Xmas by going to Xmas mass get a tax break, then I would say it would be wrong.

Here you go.......

Thursday, January 1 New Year’s Day
Monday, January 19 Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Monday, February 16* Washington’s Birthday
Monday, May 25 Memorial Day
Friday, July 3** Independence Day
Monday, September 7 Labor Day
Monday, October 12 Columbus Day
Wednesday, November 11 Veterans Day
Thursday, November 26 Thanksgiving Day
Friday, December 25 Christmas Day

http://www.opm.gov/Operating_Status_...edhol/2009.asp

Oh no! They are forcing people to celebrate the independence of America and Martin Luther King's birthday! BRING IN THE SUPREME COURT!

Bottom line is this, nobody is being forced to celebrate anything and those that do don't get any special treatment. It isn't an example of the government establishing any religion, the holiday has moved way past the initial meaning in this country anyway. People need to understand the Amendments before they just assume things, they are pretty clear in what they mean.

What I think is funny, is that if anyone else were to move to another country with their own culture and way of doing things, and complained about something like a holiday, people would just tell them to STFU. I would LOVE to see any of you progressives go to Iran or Syria and tell them that their celebration of Ramadan offends you, let me know how that works out. In America you have the freedom to come here and practice your religion, you can celebrate your holidays, however this doesn't mean that you have the right to not be exposed to anyone else's beliefs. Until you people get that through your heads, we will continue seeing frivolous lawsuits over the matter.

[ASIAN JUL]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Nope! I would agree with you if the season and day itself weren't adopted by the country and pretty much twisted into a culture thing more than a religion thing. Saying Merry Xmas isn't pushing a darn thing on people. However, if the government were to say that only those who celebrate Xmas by going to Xmas mass get a tax break, then I would say it would be wrong.

Here you go.......

Thursday, January 1 New Year’s Day
Monday, January 19 Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Monday, February 16* Washington’s Birthday
Monday, May 25 Memorial Day
Friday, July 3** Independence Day
Monday, September 7 Labor Day
Monday, October 12 Columbus Day
Wednesday, November 11 Veterans Day
Thursday, November 26 Thanksgiving Day
Friday, December 25 Christmas Day

http://www.opm.gov/Operating_Status_...edhol/2009.asp

Oh no! They are forcing people to celebrate the independence of America and Martin Luther King's birthday! BRING IN THE SUPREME COURT!

Bottom line is this, nobody is being forced to celebrate anything and those that do don't get any special treatment. It isn't an example of the government establishing any religion, the holiday has moved way past the initial meaning in this country anyway. People need to understand the Amendments before they just assume things, they are pretty clear in what they mean.

What I think is funny, is that if anyone else were to move to another country with their own culture and way of doing things, and complained about something like a holiday, people would just tell them to STFU. I would LOVE to see any of you progressives go to Iran or Syria and tell them that their celebration of Ramadan offends you, let me know how that works out. In America you have the freedom to come here and practice your religion, you can celebrate your holidays, however this doesn't mean that you have the right to not be exposed to anyone else's beliefs. Until you people get that through your heads, we will continue seeing frivolous lawsuits over the matter.

You're confusing me, you have a problem with people celebrating their own religions (and said something along the lines of go to that country to celebrate it, or at least I think that was you) but in the same breath are saying people can't avoid exposure to anyone else's beliefs.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by russiankid

Have you seen me before? Would you have known I was Russian?

You posted pics on here.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

You're confusing me, you have a problem with people celebrating their own religions (and said something along the lines of go to that country to celebrate it, or at least I think that was you) but in the same breath are saying people can't avoid exposure to anyone else's beliefs.

That wasn't me. I don't care what people do honestly, but when you are in a certain country and they have a culture, you should respect that. Like I said, America is great in that people can come here practice their religion and celebrate their holidays without fear of prosecustion. On the same note, however, they should accept the fact that America has it's own holidays and that the vast majority of Americans celebrate them. So if you aren't one of those people, that is okay, but don't get all butthurt when people say "Merry Christmas", just assume it's a nice gesture and move on with your life. Honestly it isn't traumatic enough to keep crying about, people are so thin-skinned these days.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Laws are always being changed, bent, broken, modified, etc. If we pass a law stating that English is our official language, someone, somewhere, somehow will get it changed. Freedom of Speech! Say what you want in whatever language you want to say it in.

But there are already towns in the states that have english only laws. Even though I have no idea where they even got the basis for it from.

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by ASIAN JUL

Christmas might be widely celebrated in "America" but it's not the ONLY holiday around that time of year! There are Jewish Americans, too, y'know. I just think it's a little presumptuous to assume that being an American citizen means you must celebrate Christmas. Do I think people should HAVE to say "Happy holidays" vs "Merry Christmas?" No, no one HAS to do anything. But please do not try and sit here and say, more or less, "**** every other religion or religious celebration, Christmas or get out of the country."

Also, non-religious families may celebrate Christmas, but that doesn't mean the holiday's purpose has been lost. Just check out a church on Christmas Eve - plenty of people celebrate Christmas for what it traditionally was. I am a person who does not believe in the concept of religion or 'god' but I will respect those who do, whichever religion that may be, as long as they're not pushing it on me.

Just keep in mind, not everyone who celebrates other holidays (like Christmas) are foreigners.

I just get offended after all these years of putting up x-mass decorations in our schools, now they are not allowed or can't even say Merry Christmas. Why not be able to celebrate Christmas along with other religious holidays? I wouldn't mind saying happy hanukkah to someone who is jewish.

This is what happens when politics gets involved with religion.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Nope! I would agree with you if the season and day itself weren't adopted by the country and pretty much twisted into a culture thing more than a religion thing. Saying Merry Xmas isn't pushing a darn thing on people. However, if the government were to say that only those who celebrate Xmas by going to Xmas mass get a tax break, then I would say it would be wrong.

Here you go.......

Thursday, January 1 New Year’s Day
Monday, January 19 Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr.
Monday, February 16* Washington’s Birthday
Monday, May 25 Memorial Day
Friday, July 3** Independence Day
Monday, September 7 Labor Day
Monday, October 12 Columbus Day
Wednesday, November 11 Veterans Day
Thursday, November 26 Thanksgiving Day
Friday, December 25 Christmas Day

http://www.opm.gov/Operating_Status_...edhol/2009.asp

Oh no! They are forcing people to celebrate the independence of America and Martin Luther King's birthday! BRING IN THE SUPREME COURT!

Bottom line is this, nobody is being forced to celebrate anything and those that do don't get any special treatment. It isn't an example of the government establishing any religion, the holiday has moved way past the initial meaning in this country anyway. People need to understand the Amendments before they just assume things, they are pretty clear in what they mean.

What I think is funny, is that if anyone else were to move to another country with their own culture and way of doing things, and complained about something like a holiday, people would just tell them to STFU. I would LOVE to see any of you progressives go to Iran or Syria and tell them that their celebration of Ramadan offends you, let me know how that works out. In America you have the freedom to come here and practice your religion, you can celebrate your holidays, however this doesn't mean that you have the right to not be exposed to anyone else's beliefs. Until you people get that through your heads, we will continue seeing frivolous lawsuits over the matter.

It wasn't adopted by the country is was adoptd by a large group of people. And I just explained what "Merry Christmas" means, but you still say it doesn't mean anything. When "Happy Holidays" just means, have fun celebrating whatever it is you celebrate. Now thats not mean, it's forcing religion, and it's leaning towards a certain side. It's plain, it's simple, it works!

Do you think JcPenny wants to hear a customer on the news complaining because they were jews and someone told them have a merry christmas? So now jews are boycotting Jcpenny's. It's just not worth it.

MLK Day and 4th of july, aren't religous holidays. Those would be considered american holidays.

Iran and Syria didn't have Thomas Jefferson preaching freedom of reilgon to them when they decided to write 10 items down on a piece of paper.



In America you have the freedom to come here and practice your religion, you can celebrate your holidays, however this doesn't mean that you have the right to not be exposed to anyone else's beliefs


You win with that phrase! Now re-read it from my point of view!

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

I just get offended after all these years of putting up x-mass decorations in our schools, now they are not allowed or can't even say Merry Christmas. Why not be able to celebrate Christmas along with other religious holidays? I wouldn't mind saying happy hanukkah to someone who is jewish.

This is what happens when politics gets involved with religion.

No that is the opposite, religion cannot be in public schools. It's the law. Why do you think they took away the "Pledge of allegance"? It was highly religous, and I am surprised it lasted for as long as it did.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

I just get offended after all these years of putting up x-mass decorations in our schools, now they are not allowed or can't even say Merry Christmas. Why not be able to celebrate Christmas along with other religious holidays? I wouldn't mind saying happy hanukkah to someone who is jewish.

This is what happens when politics gets involved with religion.

Correction, this is what happens when the government gets too involved in people's lives. Oh and when cry babies get offended and sue over everything.