Sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare

[poolmike]

Ban all forms of health insurance, public or private. Survival of the fittest.

[OutlawzPrez]

It is a right, not a privilege. Who thinks else wise? not my grandparents & their parents. They came to this country with nothing & worked hard to get what they wanted & didn't expect the gov't to step in for their health coverage. We need to reform the current system. Wouldn't everyone agree?

[OutlawzPrez]

Here's another scary thing from the bill about end of life care. Healthcare rationing.

"Other measures of outcomes and patient quality of life as determined by the secretary. Such measures shall be risk-adjusted as the secretary deems appropriate".

[Proven]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

Here's another scary thing from the bill about end of life care. Healthcare rationing.

"Other measures of outcomes and patient quality of life as determined by the secretary. Such measures shall be risk-adjusted as the secretary deems appropriate".

Healthcare rationing for starters is a statement made up by the republicans and people like you. As soon as you tinfoil heads read that over testing and operating with no hopes for survival was going to have to go into review before funded the keyboards lit up.

It’s just a simple way to make sure Hospitals and/or Doctors aren’t draining insurance money for profit knowing that the patient is going to die anyway. Like I said before, if you want to over test, and run tests over and over pay for them yourself at this point.

ITS NOT TAKING COVERAGE AWAY!

Also, keep in mind that EVERY single Insurance Company already “Rations” what they will pay. This is nothing new, just something you and your people blew up for attention as a scare tactic to get people to believe.

[TheBlackesTTRx7]

the health care needs to be redone so bad it makes me furious. my girl can't get treated right now because its a pre existing problem... totally garbage

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by TheBlackesTTRx7

the health care needs to be redone so bad it makes me furious. my girl can't get treated right now because its a pre existing problem... totally garbage

One question....do you still pay for health insurance? If so, why? Reform starts with folks like yourself. If the product is broken, don't pay for it!

[ILLJIM69]

^^^BINGO!

I guess by the logic of people not getting coverage based on preexisting problems, I shouldn't be turned down for a loan, ever, since any negative credit is just preexisting.

[Proven]

YEAH, poolmikes right, don’t pay and drop your insurance. This way when you get a broken leg you can pay 10k out of pocket getting it fixed (or be a gimp). Maybe even go broke proving these insurance Companies wrong! That a show them who’s boss!! ****, maybe you’ll get lucky, get cancer and die and really be the boss!

Obviously I’m kidding, and thank god we have a president working on fixing the healthcare system rather then continue to let them have this country by the balls.

Go-bama!!

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by Proven

YEAH, poolmikes right, don’t pay and drop your insurance. This way when you get a broken leg you can pay 10k out of pocket getting it fixed (or be a gimp). Maybe even go broke proving these insurance Companies wrong! That a show them who’s boss!! ****, maybe you’ll get lucky, get cancer and die and really be the boss!

Obviously I’m kidding, and thank god we have a president working on fixing the healthcare system rather then continue to let them have this country by the balls.

Go-bama!!

I think his point was, if they aren't going to cover you, then why pay for it?

Either way, even without insurance, you can go to the ER for a broken leg and they will fix you up. Stiff them on the bill and the tax payers end up footing the bill anyway, so it will be just like Obama's plan anyway, you should support this outlook.

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by Proven

Healthcare rationing for starters is a statement made up by the republicans and people like you. As soon as you tinfoil heads read that over testing and operating with no hopes for survival was going to have to go into review before funded the keyboards lit up.

It’s just a simple way to make sure Hospitals and/or Doctors aren’t draining insurance money for profit knowing that the patient is going to die anyway. Like I said before, if you want to over test, and run tests over and over pay for them yourself at this point.

ITS NOT TAKING COVERAGE AWAY!

Also, keep in mind that EVERY single Insurance Company already “Rations” what they will pay. This is nothing new, just something you and your people blew up for attention as a scare tactic to get people to believe.

So you do admit it. Finally.

WRONG! My 84 yr old aunt had insurance coverage until the day she died. AND even when the doctors told her she had 3 months to live she was still covered & treated until her dying day. So don't even try to twist the truth again.

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

I think his point was, if they aren't going to cover you, then why pay for it?

Either way, even without insurance, you can go to the ER for a broken leg and they will fix you up. Stiff them on the bill and the tax payers end up footing the bill anyway, so it will be just like Obama's plan anyway, you should support this outlook.

Thats not entirely true my friend. Medical bills are like any other bills, they must be paid. The bill comes to your door. You salary may also be subject to garnishment or u can be sued.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

Thats not entirely true my friend. Medical bills are like any other bills, they must be paid. The bill comes to your door. You salary may also be subject to garnishment or u can be sued.

What about those who don't work, such as social welfare leeches. And illegals? My mistake on that, I should have clarified what I meant by "taxpayers footing the bill".

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Ban all forms of health insurance, public or private. Survival of the fittest.

Isn't that kind of what we have now? It seems as though people want the fittest (those who can afford insurance or get it through work) to support the unfit, which is the problem.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

So you do admit it. Finally.

WRONG! My 84 yr old aunt had insurance coverage until the day she died. AND even when the doctors told her she had 3 months to live she was still covered & treated until her dying day. So don't even try to twist the truth again.

I think I must of said whats wrong with health insurance Companies 1000 times. Your argument is that things will be changing for the worse, when its not.

Also, you think because YOUR grandma got lucky everyone else in the world gets the same treatment and coverage as her? Are you that dense? You’re a prime example of people only thinking of what goes on in their circle and their head..

[Proven]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

I think his point was, if they aren't going to cover you, then why pay for it?

Either way, even without insurance, you can go to the ER for a broken leg and they will fix you up. Stiff them on the bill and the tax payers end up footing the bill anyway, so it will be just like Obama's plan anyway, you should support this outlook.

Poolmikes someone that thinks no one should have insurance. I figured his "point" was to not have it in the first place. Also, does it make sense to not have insurance and now pay for everything out of pocket? Of course you can still go to the Hospital and get fixed up. Stiff them on the bill? Then it goes on your credit report and Having bad credit leads to many other issues I'm sure I don’t need to mention. With Obama’s plan you wont have to worry about “stiffing” anyone and your credit will be fine (unless ruined other wise).

Not sure if you realize but your Health coverage, salary, and any schooling/training you receive is paid for by the tax payers (your Military correct?). Maybe quit the Military if your so against Tax payers having to pay for things?

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate your service! Without Military our Country would be very unsafe (although I feel its power is abused). BUT, I would also like to see our tax dollars being used for saving lives rather then just killing and taking sh** over!

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

Thats not entirely true my friend. Medical bills are like any other bills, they must be paid. The bill comes to your door. You salary may also be subject to garnishment or u can be sued.

Ding ding ding ding....Congrats You're correct. If you cannot pay the bill because you don't have health insurance, you will be directed towards a couple of options;
1) You pay in full (Never happens)
2) They will let you make payments for a limited amount of time, and it gets reported to your credit bureau.
And the best one:
3) You either don't pay it, or don't pay it off fast enough, they will give it to a collection agency, so you now have to make larger payments and pay interest.

Nice huh?
This is why I believe that we should do something about making healthcare affordable. When I used to do mortgages, I would say about 7 out of ten people had a medical judgement against them. Some were payed some weren't. But to many people have them.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

What about those who don't work, such as social welfare leeches. And illegals? My mistake on that, I should have clarified what I meant by "taxpayers footing the bill".

Just so your aware 75% of the people on welfare are off it with-in the first year. And not everybody is a leeche.
Plus Bill Clinton took care of those individuals you are refering to, when he reformed welfare. And trust me, you can't live a happy life on welfare.

[Nater]

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Proven

YEAH, poolmikes right, don’t pay and drop your insurance. This way when you get a broken leg you can pay 10k out of pocket getting it fixed (or be a gimp). Maybe even go broke proving these insurance Companies wrong! That a show them who’s boss!! ****, maybe you’ll get lucky, get cancer and die and really be the boss!

Obviously I’m kidding, and thank god we have a president working on fixing the healthcare system rather then continue to let them have this country by the balls.

Go-bama!!

You just proved my point exactly. You are a slacker looking for someone else to pay for your life. Why not sell your Subaru, donate the money to someone less fortunate(me...I don't have a job) and walk everywhere. Then maybe you could afford that oh so precious health insurance WITHOUT dipping into anyone else's pockets. Practice every bit of what you preach before you look into my finances, or you are just as greedy as those successful people you blame for your problems.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by Proven

Not sure if you realize but your Health coverage, salary, and any schooling/training you receive is paid for by the tax payers (your Military correct?). Maybe quit the Military if your so against Tax payers having to pay for things?

First off, I have addressed this already, in this thread as a matter of fact. If you want to use that then you better be prepared to give up police, firemen, all forms of politicians, judges, road crews, social workers, etc. A statement like that is the last resort of a 17 year old kid who gets a speeding ticket......"hey, I pay your salary".

By the way, I WORK for the government, I provide them with my life and they use me as they wish. There is a HUGE difference between what I (and other government employees) do and people who just mooch off the taxpayers or do the bare minimum in life with their hands always out for the next socialist program.

Originally Posted by Proven

Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate your service! Without Military our Country would be very unsafe (although I feel its power is abused). BUT, I would also like to see our tax dollars being used for saving lives rather then just killing and taking sh** over!

And it is used for saving lives. However I want to know what will be next on the agenda if health care gets taken over (and it will be taken over) by the government. Is it not fair that rich people can buy nice cars and big houses? Shall the working people in America subsidize loans for lower class and jobless people so they too can have a 3,000 square foot house? When does it end? Health care insurance is commodity, a product that you pay for. It is not a right and so far nobody has been able to show me that it is a right afforded to the people.