Sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare

[zerioustt]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

SO WHAT??????????

THIS PROGRAM WILL END UP SAVING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY (EVERY CITIZEN) MONEY IN 20 YEARS... IF NOTHING CHANGES, WE WILL ALL BE PAYING 5x MORE FOR HEALTHCARE IN 20 years.

Too many people just turn on cable and hear Fox News say "Obama is trying to take your money!! Be afraid!!!". Then they go on TST and say, "I don't agree with this proposal"... sad sad sad.

who says it will save money? the president? the rest of the democrats? your mummy?

they car run the usps or social security which has been in place for how long? they all of a sudden got good business practices? open your eyes. you cant just start over with no research and testing. they have something on paper that LOOKS good. but have no idea if it works. ask canada how theyre making out. theyre looking at how to reinstate private firms because theyre so far in the hole.

[4DR_DB7]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

If health insurance is killing your pocket so much, go through a different provider or here is a novel idea, get a better job.

I already had to drop my coverage through my employer (a small business) because it was WAY too expensive and I wasn't bringing home enough money at the end of the week. I had to search around for a cheaper private policy as an alternative... and its still too much. Why do you just assume that everyone should have to pay for healthcare?? Because thats what you were told.

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

I am a little older I guess, financially stable? Perhaps, but I don't make a lot of money. I just try to prioritize my spending to things we need, but there is the occasional "want" thrown in there too. Health care is a benefit of my job, so I don't pay for it. However, I generally don't go to the docs too much to begin with.

Seriously man, you have NO room to talk. You have a cushy healthcare plan, you are way overpaid for being a killing robot... YOU ARE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE GOVERNMENT!!! IRONY HERE MAYBE???

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Well if it's relevant to you guys, and this other contingency of 50 million people, then YOU CAN ALL PAY FOR IT! I don't have a problem with the government setting up a system for people to get low cost insurance. However, since I won't be partaking in it, I shouldn't have to fund it. Shall I pay your mortgage and car note too? I would think with 50+ million people all paying into a system, sufficient funds should be there and you can all leave my damn money alone.

How bout I stop paying for YOUR HEALTHCARE, Pension, Salary, etc???

Tell me how YOU are going to fund it.... Hmmm??? You don't even know. Go ahead, say the token republican reply : "THEYZE GONNA RAISE MY TAXES!"

Guess what bud? I didn't want to invade iraq, because it was a joke and complete unneccessary waste of time... But I "Paid" for that. Same thing bud. Wake up out of your fantasy world.

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Then don't buy a gun, but stay away from my right to have them.

Stay away from our right to have health insurance. Why do you think you have more of a right to own a weapon that American citizens have for the same healthcare that the rest of the world has? Brilliant!

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

You said you were a single working father, you said it in a manner that somehow life should have mercy on you for that. Well let me ask you this, did you not make a choice to have a kid (or kids)? I don't know why you're wife/gf isn't around, it's none of my business really, but you are now dealing with choices that YOU made. I didn't make your choices for you, nobody else did, YOU did.........so deal with them the best you can and stop expecting the world to change to fit your life choices, this can be applied to those other 50 million people you keep talking about.

Thats cool man. I don't feel bad for dumbasses who can't do anything better in life so they join the army and get their legs blown up in Iraq. Tough loss boys, but you got yourself into this mess. Don't ask for any sympathy from us.... don't ask for Tax-payer dollars to fund your care for the rest of your life.... You never did jack for me, why should I do anything for you? [How does that feel?]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Nobody has to twist that at all, that is exactly what you are saying. Like I said before, those who want this option for government health care can pay for it. I don't want it and shouldn't pay for it.

Do you want welfare? Affirmative action? Section 8 housing? Asylum for illegal immigrants? No? well too bad, you pay for those. And you're going to pay for the government healthcare too.

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Do you happen to have a picture of Karl Marx in a heart shaped picture frame in your house?

If you're trying to be funny, you seriously fail. some people would get offended by that, I don't really care, because while I know who marx is, its completely irrelevant. George W. Bush is the greatest Fascist of the modern era. I'm sure you have a picture of him above your bed....

But you're welcome to come to my house and check for Socialist propaganda. Just don't expect a warm welcome.

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Stay away from our right to have health insurance. Why do you think you have more of a right to own a weapon that American citizens have for the same healthcare that the rest of the world has? Brilliant!

because he paid for his guns himself???

[4DR_DB7]

Originally Posted by zerioustt

who says it will save money? the president? the rest of the democrats? your mummy?

they car run the usps or social security which has been in place for how long? they all of a sudden got good business practices? open your eyes. you cant just start over with no research and testing. they have something on paper that LOOKS good. but have no idea if it works. ask canada how theyre making out. theyre looking at how to reinstate private firms because theyre so far in the hole.

People who are a lot smarter than you and me say it will. And honestly, anyone with brain could figure it out if they take the time. I happen to have a bit of background in healthcare, so maybe it just takes me less time than you.

The governement will not be running hospitals, doctors' offices, etc... Very little is going to change, except the behind the scenes stuff.

FYI - we are not Canada. We are not adopting Canada's healthcare program. We are merely instituting a vialbe government provided option. But I guess Canada, Germany, France, England are all Socialist countries huh? ROFL!

[evomike]

How many of you have read the actual bill? That's my question.

[4DR_DB7]

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

because he paid for his guns himself???

Ignorance is bliss.... talking to you narrow-minded people is exhausting. Were you all born in West Virginia or something?

Guns kill people. Healthcare helps people. Need further explaination?

[zerioustt]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Stay away from our right to have health insurance. Why do you think you have more of a right to own a weapon that American citizens have for the same healthcare that the rest of the world has? Brilliant!

because owning a gun is in the consitution and healthcare is not. its that simple....

heres an idea get a new job that offers better healthcare and stop complaining. mines paid for by my boss. perks from busting my ass and becoming management.

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Ignorance is bliss.... talking to you narrow-minded people is exhausting. Were you all born in West Virginia or something?

Guns kill people. Healthcare helps people. Need further explaination?

you can call me ignorant all day but it's true. the right to own a gun is in the constitution. no one pays for our guns but ourselves.

[4DR_DB7]

Originally Posted by evomike

How many of you have read the actual bill? That's my question.

dude, its like 10,000 pages long. I doubt there are many people in the country that have read the whole bill. But those who have (not Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck) have disseminated the information through other intelligent people. You don't have to read the whole bill to understand the gist of it.

1. Right now, you and I pay inflated premiums and co-pays because the insurance companies have to make up for the losses they take on all the un-insured people who need healthcare, and generally end up going to Emergency rooms. God knows the CEO's are going to lose any of their money, so they raise your rates.

2. Because people are un-insured or under-insured, they don't get the proper preventative treatment throughout the course of their lives. This treatment includes everything from regular doctor visits, to mammograms, cancer screenings, etc...
Then, once their medical issue cannot be ignored anymore, it costs tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to fix. Again, since these people don't have insurance, the money ultimately comes out of your pocket.

3. And this is a major part - There are no regulations or competition that act as a check and balance against the Insurance companies and Pharmaceutical companies. They have what people need, something we cannot grow in our own backyards, and thus they can charge whatever they want to, and we will have to pay it, or suffer the consequences. If you were actually researched on the subject like I am, you would know that over the last 30 years, the Big Pharma and Healthcare industries experienced astronomical growth, like nothing that has ever been seen before in Free market capitalism. This is because there is no competion, and these corporations have all formed conglomerates and cartels (look them up, because you don't know what they really mean).

If the government provides an alternative source for these goods and services, it will bring all costs down and improve the quality of the care. When people have insurance, they won't put off the necessary care for their condition until it ends up costing 10x more... Over the course of 20 or so years, people will begin to get healthier, and we will not need to spend as much on healthcare costs... THUS, THE AMOUNT OF YOUR CONTRIBUTION WILL GRADUALLY DECREASE.

^^this is an abbreviated version. PM me if you have any more questions.

[ILLJIM69]

You are becoming my favorite person to multi-quote! The hits just keep on coming.....

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Fyi, i'm not a registered rep/dem either, and I also have worked very hard. I don't get what you are trying to insinuate when people say stuff like that. Are you assuming that you work/worked harder than me??

He might have worked harder than you or he might have made better choices than you. There are a myriad of things that determine one's standing in life, so stop getting all defensive and acting like you're the hardest working man of all time. If you were and you made better decisions, you wouldn't be on a car forum complaining about how the government owes you stuff, how everyone should be forced to come out of their pockets to help others and how the government needs to "level the playing field".

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

And yes, you are lucky and priviledged. YOu could have been born addicted to Heroin and Crack and been prostituted out as a 9-year old and led a life of crime.... its all relative buddy.

And who made these choices? I certainly didn't sit next to some pregnant mother and smoke crack and blow it in her face for nine months. I never pimped out nine year old kids. So why should I pay for those choices someone else made?

My parents didn't do any of that crap either, how does this make anyone lucky? You act like people are genetically coded to be crackheads. Like it's something they have no say in. Rich kids were set up for success by their parents and crack babies were set up by their parents. Choices, we all have them.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

You think you had it worse than everyone else out there?? Its attitudes like this that make Republicans/Right Wingers so ignorant.

WRONG! It's the attitude that America should collectively deal with choices made by individuals that is truly ignorant. How about this, how about everyone out there takes responsibility for choices in life that they made by their own accord and we all keep our hands out of each others wallets? Wanting to take care of yourself and your family isn't selfish or anything of the sort, it's called survival and it's an instinct. Just like in the wild, the animals who refuse to get up and hunt for their food can either die or scavenge what is left from those who do hunt. If I have a little extra money and want to give it to a charity, that is my choice, nobody should force me to.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

duh, if America was "everyone for themselves" we never would have been a country in the first place.

Actually, no, go read a history book. Working together for the greater good of the community is just fine, but you can't sit there and compare small colonies and areas to what America is now. There are simply too many people for that mindset. What you want is called communism, look it up.

If everyone DOES look out for themselves, then nobody would have to look out for others. Big difference between helping your neighbor move furniture or helping someone change a tire versus me having money stolen from my family to give to those who don't work hard enough to get what they want.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Its just the new generations that take everything for granted and have such a sense of individual entitlement.
Like being smart and educated means you should never have to suffer and that you should just be given a white-picket fence...

I agree with you here! Americans do have a sense of entitlement. However this isn't a right wing ideal, far from it.

You see, what a lot of people did in the last 30 years or so was they graduated high school or college, got jobs and immediately bought homes, cars, TVs. This isn't hard to do when you have two people with decent jobs. But now here come the kids. So now you have one person not working, plus the added expense of children but with only one person working. People don't feel that they should have to give up their quality of life, so they don't cut corners, they don't sell the house and move into a smaller one, they don't sell their cars and buy one car. What they do is they complain about their costs "well if medical bills weren't so high" or "if my variable rate interest loan didn't go up" and when you get enough people complaining about something, and they happen to be voters, politicians will pander to their wants. If people could learn to prioritize their spending, learn to cut costs where they can and maybe, just maybe, live within their means, none of this wouldn't be an issue. Houses, cars, health insurance, flat screen TVs, internet access, steak dinners.........none of these things are rights, they are things you work for. Don't want to work for them? Fine! But don't come looking to me to get them for you.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Its called having morals and values.

Yeah, like work ethic and personal responsibility.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

We are all humans, and furthermore American citizens.

Some more than others.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

We help each other out

I don't mind helping people out here and there.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

we support each other

NO! You support yourself and your family, that is YOUR job, not mine. If a guy wants to stay single his whole life, work, not have kids and spend all his money on a nice house with nice stuff in it and cars, that is his choice. He shouldn't have to help support kids or families he didn't want and had no part in creating.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

... christ, we volunteer to go to fight in wars in foreign countries under the guies of "protecting yours and my freedom".

Nobody believes that we are in Iraq or Afghanistan to protect our freedoms, at least not directly.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Firefighters run into burning buildings to save people.... yes, even poor, poverty-stricken drug addicts. Why? because no matter their lot in life, they are people too and deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

Well perhaps it could be that its their job? Not saying that there aren't volunteers out there who do it for more noble reasons than a paycheck, however that is a choice that they make and nobody should be forced to do it.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

There is no excuse for the wealthiest country in the world, with the BEST healthcare available, to have people dying prematurely because they cannot afford healthcare [insurance].

People are born, people get sick, people die. It's the facts of life. We can't, and shouldn't, save everyone. If you want to, by all means, donate your pay to these people. I will be over here worrying about providing and saving my family first before I worry about everyone else.

[evomike]

If it's done right it's a great idea, people get scared by media lies. I don't claim to understand it but I hear soo many things you never know what to beleive. And the petition won't do squat.

[GHost240SX]

Originally Posted by zerioustt

because owning a gun is in the consitution and healthcare is not. its that simple....

heres an idea get a new job that offers better healthcare and stop complaining. mines paid for by my boss. perks from busting my ass and becoming management.

Alright.....so you're telling me that a person who has a lesser job than you doesn't deserve the same level of healthcare? In that case who is today decide what job dictates a certain degree of healthcare? Is that really fair? And does anyone else realize that this is more than a democratic/republican issue this is a citizen of America issue. People are so caught up in the political bull**** that they aren't getting the full scope of the facts.

Kind of amazing watch people who "believe in America" can't even follow its most basic belief. United we stand......yet everyday we divide ourselves further and further away from each other.

Its gone from neighbors admiring each other to it's "me vs. everyone" mentality. There are people who are worried more about their taxes raised than the health of another human being. That's ****ed up. Money honestly at the end of the day is worthless. You can't take it with you when you die, and yes you can buy a whole lotta shiny **** with it. But at the end of the day does that make your life anymore valuable than someone elses? This issue is larger than healthcare and people refuse to see it. Everyone wants something but refuses to pay for.

In my opinion before we can start debating these topics intelligently, we need to ask for accountability on the part of the people supplying the information. And this is beyond forum level, this is government level. If people don't see that this is exactly what they want pawns to do while sneaking bills past with outrageous expenditures on random ****, while people huff and puff about a topic that VIRTUALLY NO ONE IS CLEARLY EDUCATED ON. The stupid take this argument and turn it into a false-crusade. It's just ridiculous.

/rant

[4DR_DB7]

Originally Posted by zerioustt

because owning a gun is in the consitution and healthcare is not. its that simple....

heres an idea get a new job that offers better healthcare and stop complaining. mines paid for by my boss. perks from busting my ass and becoming management.

1. The constitution was written in a different time, when people actually needed weapons for protection. That time is long gone and irrelevant to anything that happens today.

2. The constitution is not written in stone. It can be changed. Thats what amendments and bills are for.

3. Stop assuming $&IT. That is seriously starting to piss me off. how the F do u know what I do? I've been searching for a new job for the last 6 months, eventhough its kindof hard to do when you are freaking swamped with your current job all day long. Have YOU tried looking for a job in this economy??? Guess what bro? Ain't much happening right now. FYI, I have a college degree and 5 years experience in the field. I am management at my company too. I guess you think you are better than me or work harder because you have full benefits? I work for a small company with 6 employees that could only get me a discounted rate on a policy. It was too expensive so I looked around and found a a cheaper one. Its stilll too much money to pay for something I barely ever use. Its ridiculous that I pay $1000+ per year.... when I never get sick or need care! Complete racket.

[4DR_DB7]

Originally Posted by GHost240SX

Alright.....so you're telling me that a person who has a lesser job than you doesn't deserve the same level of healthcare? In that case who is today decide what job dictates a certain degree of healthcare? Is that really fair? And does anyone else realize that this is more than a democratic/republican issue this is a citizen of America issue. People are so caught up in the political bull**** that they aren't getting the full scope of the facts.

Kind of amazing watch people who "believe in America" can't even follow its most basic belief. United we stand......yet everyday we divide ourselves further and further away from each other.

Its gone from neighbors admiring each other to it's "me vs. everyone" mentality. There are people who are worried more about their taxes raised than the health of another human being. That's ****ed up. Money honestly at the end of the day is worthless. You can't take it with you when you die, and yes you can buy a whole lotta shiny **** with it. But at the end of the day does that make your life anymore valuable than someone elses? This issue is larger than healthcare and people refuse to see it. Everyone wants something but refuses to pay for.

In my opinion before we can start debating these topics intelligently, we need to ask for accountability on the part of the people supplying the information. And this is beyond forum level, this is government level. If people don't see that this is exactly what they want pawns to do while sneaking bills past with outrageous expenditures on random ****, while people huff and puff about a topic that VIRTUALLY NO ONE IS CLEARLY EDUCATED ON. The stupid take this argument and turn it into a false-crusade. It's just ridiculous.

/rant

AMEN BROTHA! Nice to see another thinking person in here. Now I'm goin to bed..

But don't be afraid my Young Republicans of America... The Reform will come (because Obama won the election....not your boy Johhny), and you will like it. Don't let Rush, Glenn Beck and Fox news scare you anymore. Get informed first.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by zerioustt

i didnt get lucky...lol

lol@ angry mobs.

who said i didnt care about the military? way to twist words around to make me look un american...obama teach you that?

america is everyone for themselves...its a "FREE" country.


universal healthcare is a ****ing joke. the usps is going broke, social security is almost out, and theyre using our tax dollars to boost car sales in a company they own. these guys cant wipe their own ass let alone run healthcare. its really sad how stupid people are.


fyi im not a republican/demo...im a guy who has worked VERY hard to get where i am.

Didn't say you were against Military????? I figured you were all for other Americans risking their life for your needs. I SAID, I would guess the only time you Feel Americans should come together is to take sh** over, for money, oil, and to kill (you don’t mind tax dollars being spent then do ya?).

Also didn’t say you were non-American, just stated what you made clear.. That you’re selfish.

USPS is going broke mainly because of email. People use email cause its faster/free. Not because the Gov. ran it wrong.

They're using tax dollars to give rebates to car buyers (tax payers themselves). It is boosting sales for Car companies that employ millions, its getting tax payers newer more reliable fuel efficient cars... HOW DARE OBAMA DO THIS?

You’re the only one who has worked hard huh? You! Everyone for the bill must be lazy huh? Once again, stop thinking of yourself, there’s other people in the world, other people who work just as hard as you if not harder that need health coverage or have been laid off.. Also be happy your company hasn’t done lay off's and offers health coverage (which is prob. Why you can’t understand why others don’t have it).

Whether you admit it or not you def. have a republican state of mind.

[GHost240SX]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

AMEN BROTHA! Nice to see another thinking person in here. Now I'm goin to bed..

But don't be afraid my Young Republicans of America... The Reform will come (because Obama won the election....not your boy Johhny), and you will like it. Don't let Rush, Glenn Beck and Fox news scare you anymore. Get informed first.

Thanks but I can't co-sign on this response. Look I'm all for a better nation but people need to realize that:

A. No one is telling you that people are just going to stop working and expect others to provide for them. That's a lie that has been propagated via the opposition to welfare.

B. If you don't pay for it now, you will pay for it later. The big bill for alot of America's stupid expeditures hasn't come yet. This recession is just the beginning. You are mad about healthcare, when you should really be mad about the government ****ing up and bailing out the WRONG parts of society. You want to know who you are completely supporting their family??? AIG, GEICO, Capital One, the american auto industry and etc. That is ALOT MORE MONEY than you can imagine being pumped into those. And guess what YOU'RE paying for THEIR HEALTHCARE TOO! Not even indirectly, but DIRECTLY. Also, while EVERYONE is seeking and most are getting bailouts. Where is the bailout for the collegiate American? The one who can't afford to go to college and needs loans, but can't get them simply because the banks aren't giving them.

I ask you this is it more important to prop up failing companies that have HAD their chance to prove themselves, than it is to give a kid who WANTS a better life a chance? You're telling me that America's most valuable resource is its companies and not it's people. That's the real issue. Not healthcare....

It's whether America is about it's PEOPLE (as a ****ING WHOLE) or whether America is about it's Corporations.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

SO WHAT?????????? you want a cookie?

He doesn't want a cookie, he wants YOU to keep your hands out of his wallet.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

GET OVER YOURSELVES! ITS NOT JUST ABOUT YOU. Despite what your parents may have raised you to believe....

It is about me and my family, at least in my little world.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Are you really that naive, that you would rather keep paying more money than you have to pay than have reform??? ROFL... good for you, you're very smart. You pay ridiculously over-inflated rates. Like, OMG, seriously, I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of ignorant hicks sometimes. This reform will provide competition to the insurance companies. Competition in business brings prices DOWN and improves the quality of the service.

There is competition out there, it's called different health insurance providers. Plus there is the option to not have insurance if you don't want it. An "option" provided by the government, funded by the seemingly bottomless barrel of tax money, would not be considered competition. The government can and will, pass legislation and regulations that will favor their "option" as well, how fair and competitive is that?

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Think of it this way: you are a coke-head. You need coke to feel good. There is only one coke dealer in your town. First you're paying $100 a bag, then he raises the price to $150... then $200. You have to keep paying it, because you need the drugs, and there is nowhere else to get it from.

Terrible analogy because you don't need coke, you want coke. It is a commodity, just like health care. Supply and demand my friend, pick up a book.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Suddenly, you find a dealer in another town with better coke for $100 a bag. You start buying from him. Your original dealer gets curious why you haven't been coming around. You tell him. He says he will give you better stuff, and only charge you $125. Competition is good for everyone... except the original drug dealer.

So what you are saying is, you support the government taking over health care and putting the other "dealers" out of business. Even though the government's "coke" isn't actually better, it just seems that way at first.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

The insurance company conglomerates are the drug dealers. Get it now? :D

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Go look up the salaries of the CEOs of the major pharma and healthcare insurance companies.... these people are making 10s of millions of dollars a year.... Because naive people like 3rdGenMRGirl say "Sure AETNA, I'll pay you whatever you tell me I have to pay. THen I'll go the doctor, and pay him a co-pay too. And when he gives me a prescription, I'll go to the pharmacist and pay whatever I have to pay him too!"....

What about those who don't go to the doc for every little sniffle, cut and bump? I don't pay much in terms of prescriptions or co-pays because I don't feel the need to visit the ER for sprains, scrapes and runny noses. Those who do and those who are chronically sick will pay more, nature of the beast. Hopefully you do realize that a lot of these people who "get sick" are that way because of choices they make in life such as eating habits, smoking, drinking, drugs, lifestyle choices and choices of employment. I don't want to pay for their choices in life.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

I think the major disconnect here is that the majority of people here are too young to understand and/or care. And the people that care the most, don't understand.

I am 30 years old and have been working since I was 13 years old. I understand what you're saying, I just think it's stupid.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

THIS PROGRAM WILL END UP SAVING THE ENTIRE COUNTRY (EVERY CITIZEN) MONEY IN 20 YEARS... IF NOTHING CHANGES, WE WILL ALL BE PAYING 5x MORE FOR HEALTHCARE IN 20 years.

Everything goes up in price, food, transportation, vehicles, houses, etc. It is the way it has always been. What kind of brand new car can you get for 15,000 bucks today? Go back to 1960 and tell me what you can get for 15,000. Inflation kind sir, it happens.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Too many people just turn on cable and hear Fox News say "Obama is trying to take your money!! Be afraid!!!". Then they go on TST and say, "I don't agree with this proposal"... sad sad sad.

And too many commies like you think that we should all work, get paid the same, have the same benefits and if we choose not to work as hard as others (or make better choices), it's okay because someone else will pay your way through life.

[Z31Fanatic]

Originally Posted by Proven

USPS is going broke mainly because of email. People use email cause its faster/free. Not because the Gov. ran it wrong.

No bozo, USPS has been in the red every year since 1971 except 2004-2006.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

you are way overpaid for being a killing robot...

Nice! Welcome to my sig!

And don't worry about me getting a warm welcome at your house, I am a mindless killing robot, remember?

[4DR_DB7]

Also: If you wouldn't pay $2 additional per week now, in order to save $80 per month in healthcare costs in the future... then you are too stupid to live in this country and we should deport you to Greenland.

I support this bill for the millions of people in my country who are suffering and need my support... And I support this bill for ME -- because by doing so, it will eventually lead to lower costs for me. I have a working, functional brain and I don't take Fox News as the gospel... so I can comprehend that.