Thinking about buying a handgun

[djb5118]

Originally Posted by Twinz

actually i did hear that it was open carry as well and yes if you are of age you can carry with out a permit..would i really wouldn't recommend going anywhere with a gun just hanging out because you are gonna get stopped and questioned non stop by cops and if you walk into a 7-11 or gas station they might think the worse and then you will be a robbery suspect..ha oh and dont even think of crossing a bridge into nj with a gun on you..that = fellony

yea, the whole fellony part is what is scaring me away from wanting a gun. one stupid move and you could really screw up

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by djb5118

yea, the whole fellony part is what is scaring me away from wanting a gun. one stupid move and you could really screw up

that is an big issue... it seems we're more concerned with being fair and protecting everyone... that when a crook gets shot for being in your home, in the dark, you get in trouble...

rules to live by: don't shoot someone in the back, if they're off your property don't shoot, if you shoot... kill them. dead men tell no lies and if you can't live an honest life and you're going to be a possible threat to my family, myself and the stuff I worked for... goodbye

that being said, i'm not entirely sure I could take someones life unless they were a threat to my own or my families. **** can be replaced...

I also want to get a 12gauge for home protection when I get a home. Hopefully the sheer intimidation factor of it will keep me from having to use it.

if not.. it's spray -> slug -> spray -> slug...

[Twinz]

Originally Posted by djb5118

yea, the whole fellony part is what is scaring me away from wanting a gun. one stupid move and you could really screw up

yea i mean there is a lot of responsibility in owning and carrying, it is not for everyone. just need to remember you have it and think before you do things. Also store it safely especially if there are kids or irresponsible people in your house. The whole keep it locked in a safe but wanting it for protection doesn't really work together..but you need to be smart..never carry with one in the chamber...easiest way to cause an accidental discharge..ask my buddy who has a hole in floor of his talon because he was unloading it and it went off because he carrys one in..lucky he doesn't have a hole in his leg..

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

that is an big issue... it seems we're more concerned with being fair and protecting everyone... that when a crook gets shot for being in your home, in the dark, you get in trouble...

rules to live by: don't shoot someone in the back, if they're off your property don't shoot, if you shoot... kill them. dead men tell no lies and if you can't live an honest life and you're going to be a possible threat to my family, myself and the stuff I worked for... goodbye

yes it is always said if you are forced to shoot, shoot to kill..this does not however mean keep coming after them...for instance this happened a few years ago...

a guy living in a nice neighborhood was awoken very late at night by a loud drunk naked man banging on his door, he heard all the noice and assumed he was being robbed so he grabbed his 9 mil and went down stairs..the drunk guy had thought it was his house because he lived next door ( dont remember why he was naked but yea..) well the guy walks down stairs as the guy is climbing in the window..naked guy assuming its his house thinks someone has broken in and trys to attack the homeowner...he shoots him 4 times, as he was being shot naked guy turns his body so the line of shots is one in chest, 2 in side, 1 in back. At this point the homeowner is still legally not responsible, he was protecting his home..even though he shot him in the back...however next the naked guy ran out side and the homeowner stilled pissed off chased him..naked guy fell down out side and homeowener walked over and shot naked guy twice in the back of the head....this is where it turned to murder and homeowner is now serving life in prison..basically the law says if someone places deadly force (swing knife, pull gun, hit with hammer, etc, or attacks you in your home) you can shoot them untill they stop attacking. once they back off you need to back off as well. any extra force you but is a new attack and you are responsible.

but the rule of thumb is not to ever shoot someone in the back becasue it looks like they were leaving and you attacked them..and dead people dont talk so shoot to kill not to hurt. but best bet is to carry and hope you never have to use it becasue you will have to live with the fact that you took someone elses life..i think if someone was threatening me or my family or something like that though there would be no question about it..they would be done

[garrettej8]

I'd like to get a CCW but I really don't have a reason to get one and my springfield xd-9 is kind of big, so I probably wouldn't like the extra weight of it. there's always the sub-compact but like I said I don't have reason to carry since I don't live in a particularly bad area. now, if I could carry on the job that would be great!

[Twinz]

Originally Posted by garrettej8

I'd like to get a CCW but I really don't have a reason to get one and my springfield xd-9 is kind of big, so I probably wouldn't like the extra weight of it. there's always the sub-compact but like I said I don't have reason to carry since I don't live in a particularly bad area. now, if I could carry on the job that would be great!

yea you can always be a fan of guns and go to the range and all and not carry if you dont need to...i carry for certain reasons, i mean im not in a bad area either but i was visiting king of prussia area and got robbed before, of course before i carried..and i deliver pizza sometimes really late at night and happen to be carrying decent amounts of cash by the end of the night...which could sometimes give someone an idea..the gun is there to change their mind oh and side note...the xd series are nice guns..my friend that shot his floor board has an xd40 subcompact..

[Vypurr]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

I also want to get a 12gauge for home protection when I get a home. Hopefully the sheer intimidation factor of it will keep me from having to use it.

That is the ultimate home protection weapon. You honestly don't even need to load a pump action shotgun. The sound of you cocking the gun would be enough to get 99% of criminals out of your house FAST!

[ITSTOCK]

I got a PM and I want to be clear;

While open carrying, you MUST OBEY STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS.

Philadelphia is a city of the first class, so the only people that can open carry, or concealed carry, is a valid/current permit holder of a CCW/LTCF permit.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by garrettej8

I don't have reason to carry since I don't live in a particularly bad area.

I shouldn't have to tell you this, but bad things happen in good area's. Bad things even happen to good people!

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

So what you're saying is, I can keep a gun on me as long as it is visible?

I guarantee if i did that I'd be in lock up lol... the first thing out of a cops mouth would be, "where is your permit to carry?"

"open carry state officer, i'm allowed to have the gun w/o a permit as long as it is visible"

"get on the floor!"

I know you can have one in your house w/o a permit, and you can travel with one as long as the ammo and gun are in separate sections of the vehicle.

I been wanting a gun for a while, but no one is breaking into my apartment... 8th floor, no easy escape route... and they're not running down 8 flights of stairs, or waiting for the elevator carrying the only thing worth any money in my apartment (tv)

Cops are always in the area and they'd be waiting outside before the burgler had gotten to the ground floor

So long as you are following state and federal laws, yes, you can. And very rarely will they stop you. If they gave you a hard time, you could always jump on the current lawsuit wagon that is going on in PA with events regarding open carrying.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by Twinz

..easiest way to cause an accidental discharge..ask my buddy who has a hole in floor of his talon because he was unloading it and it went off because he carrys one in..lucky he doesn't have a hole in his leg..

This is a NEGLIGENT discharge. He is 100% at fault for his own stupidity.

[den9]

before any goes out open carrying, u should know carrying a gun in a car, even in plain site is concealed carry, i think. correct me if im wrong. dont take my word for it

yes u will be harassed for open carry, its even legal to walk around with a shotgun, but u know a cop would fine you for disorderly conduct or disturbing the peace.

heres an interesting thread
http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed...ur-rights.html

[DoubleOughtCel]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

BTW, PA is an open carry state. You can openly carry a handgun without any permits, where allowed by state/federal law.

Post a source please.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by DoubleOughtCel

Post a source please.

This link has every statute ever needed, enclosed in one page.

http://paopencarry.org/info.html

Hell, here is the home page for that link, the entire site is dedicated to exactly what the name indicates...

http://paopencarry.org/

DoubleOughtCel, there are also a couple of groups that have been going around educating police departments on Pennsylvania's carry laws. There are a bunch of pending lawsuits right now, because police have been ignorant of the laws.

You can go here if you aren't already a member there, in which case I suppose that you were just throwing out the question for the rest of us...

http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/

[DoubleOughtCel]

Before I even go to any of those links, I know at least one of them is going to mention Commonwealth v. Hawkins. Whether or not it's legal to open carry a firearm in the Commonwealth, you can bet your ass a person will be cited for DC when we get half a dozen Man with a Gun calls when some gun know-it-all walks into Red Lobster or Bank of America with a hand cannon pulling his pants down unless there is some kind of lawfully issued badge or ID next to it. I have the right to stop and question a person openly carrying a firearm, and if their attitude is off or they become visibly nervous, they'll be detained.

If any of you new gun owners out there are really looking to get into firearms, take a safety course and get your Concealed Carry permit. You could always follow some of the other advice found here, but don't think for a second that you will never once be stopped and possibly detained for carrying openly.

[jdm free]

EDIT: found the answer myself

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Colt Anaconda .44 Mag

[ITSTOCK]

So you are openly admitting to knowing that the LAW states that open carry is legal (so long as state and federal laws are also followed).

However, you would blatantly IGNORE the law, even though you took an oath when you were sworn in to uphold the law????? So you would charge a law abiding citizen with a crime in which they did not commit?

I hope that you have a good attorney. I also hope that your department has a good attorney, and lastly, I hope that they are well aware of the antics that you are willing to play.

You are NOT above the law, and the recent rash of lawsuits and out of court settlements involving open carry are continuing to prove this. I hope that you wise up, and don't find yourself in such a position by harassing the very citizens that you are serving.

On that note, I have been fortunate enough to not be harassed and illegally charged with a crime in which I did not commit while open carrying. All of my encounters have been pleasant with police, with nice conversations. Rarely do I open carry, but when I do, I will continue to keep in mind the jackassery in which some officers are willing to participate in.

Shame on you for your willingness to blatantly disregard the law. It's truly pathetic when "the law" no longer follows the law. Get over it. Again, you are NOT above the law.

Originally Posted by DoubleOughtCel

Before I even go to any of those links, I know at least one of them is going to mention Commonwealth v. Hawkins. Whether or not it's legal to open carry a firearm in the Commonwealth, you can bet your ass a person will be cited for DC when we get half a dozen Man with a Gun calls when some gun know-it-all walks into Red Lobster or Bank of America with a hand cannon pulling his pants down unless there is some kind of lawfully issued badge or ID next to it. I have the right to stop and question a person openly carrying a firearm, and if their attitude is off or they become visibly nervous, they'll be detained.

If any of you new gun owners out there are really looking to get into firearms, take a safety course and get your Concealed Carry permit. You could always follow some of the other advice found here, but don't think for a second that you will never once be stopped and possibly detained for carrying openly.

[OMGz Turbo]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

So you are openly admitting to knowing that the LAW states that open carry is legal (so long as state and federal laws are also followed).

However, you would blatantly IGNORE the law, even though you took an oath when you were sworn in to uphold the law????? So you would charge a law abiding citizen with a crime in which they did not commit?

I hope you have a good attorney. I also hope your department has a good attorney, and lastly, I hope that they are well aware of the antics that you are willing to play.

You are NOT above the law, and the recent rash of lawsuits and out of court settlements involving open carry are continuing to prove this. I hope that you wise up, and don't find yourself in such a position by harassing the very citizens that you are serving.

On that note, I have been fortunate enough to not be harassed and illegally charged with a crime in which I did not commit while open carrying. All of my encounters have been pleasant with police, with nice conversations. Rarely do I open carry, but when I do, I will continue to keep in mind the jackassery in which some officers are willing to participate in.

Shame on you for your willingness to blatantly disregard the law. It's truly pathetic when "the law" no longer follows the law. Get over it. Again, you are NOT above the law.

Ouch,

And on a side note, I have my permit and my pistol and i damn sure know how to use em Hell its around me 75% of the day, but never near my daughter. But mine involves work so it may fall a little different

[ITSTOCK]

withholding...

[DoubleOughtCel]

My response has been PM'ed

EDIT: Furthermore, never did I say I was above the law. I stated one of a few common practices amongst law enforcement officials, which are legal, to stop the scenario which I had described. I'd like you to think before you type from now on. Publicly attacking a public officials civic duties isn't the best card to play, especially when you know little to nothing about individual departments policies and procedural guidelines. Thread reported to have mods clean it up.