I Really hate Subaru right now, this is unacceptable

[ndubz]

all I have to say is: Automatic STi.......not a CVT, not dual clutch jobby, a ****ing 5 speed slushbox.





Ok most of u know how i feel about the wagon sti. thats not what this is about entirely. They have just made it 1000x ****ing worse. not only is it a Fugly, fat station wagon, but now its a ****ing automatic. Not even a modern awesome auto like mitsu uses, no. They used a conventional 5 speed piece of ****ing ****. I cannot express my hatred for whoever is running their operation right now. I hope they all DIAF

ok this argument has developed much since it started. I'm adding this because I know most ppl only read the first post.

Many of u are arguing that a market for this car lies with people who "don't give a ****" about performance driving and whatnot. Well here is my answer to that....

People "who don't give a ****" are not going to pay $40,000 fillers for a car in the same size class as a civic or carolla, that has ****ty ride quality, few amanities and all sorts of peformance features like dccd that they will never care to use. Those people would rather buy a base BMW 3 series or Audi or Acura TL or some other nicer normal car. The only people who want an sti are performance enthusiasts. And they won't buy it with the slushbox cuz it costs more and takes away from the performance they want. There is NO MARKET for an automatic sti unless the auto tranny boosts performance in se way as the evos does. Therefore there is no market for the car in question. That makes it a terrible business decision and they will lose money.

Simple facts.

[TROLL]

Did they take away the 6 speed? No.
Chill out, you are entirely too overopinionated.

Interesting to see though, doesn't affect me one bit. That suede dash is pretty sexy however.

[Kir Diesel]

I mean it would be ok to offer it as an automatic if it will get them some extra sales.

But overall i agree with you Ndubs m VERY disappointed with what Subaru has been offering since the demise of the GD. They definately didnt create any brand loyalty with me.

Mitsu IMO just offers more for the same money.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by Kir Diesel

I mean it would be ok to offer it as an automatic if it will get them some extra sales.

But overall i agree with you Ndubs m VERY disappointed with what Subaru has been offering since the demise of the GD. They definately didnt create any brand loyalty with me.

Mitsu IMO just offers more for the same money.

I know right, my friend just got the ralliart. Its amazing. sooo much better than any previous lancer of any type with regard to build quality and amenities that are useful.......O and guess what....its got a TWIN CLUTCH TRANNY not some ****ing slushbox

and rich, im well aware that WRC cars are purpose built race cars. But, that doesnt change the sti's market place. as The hardcore "rally car" for the street. and like u said most people who buy stis build them up with aftermarket stuff.....so who among that group of modders prefers a slushbox........NOBODY. so in both ways im correct in saying that they are retarded and have lost touch with their market. (unless they want to sell stis to lesbian couples cuz thats the only people who would ****ing buy this ugly ass piece of ****)

[turboman808]

Until you drive the car I wouldn't comment on it.

Drove the Lamborghini glalardo and F360 with paddle shifts many years ago and have driven these cars a few times since. The Gallardo is a bit better but both shift very harsh. They are manual boxes that the electronics shift for you. It drops the clutch on the 360 like you are on the race track all the time. They are terrible IMO

Then a few years back I test drove an Audi TT with automatic paddle shift. I thought the car was pretty dam good. It shifted pretty fast.

Then this summer I drove the new Jaguar XKR and XFR at the race track. Both are flappy paddle automatics. These cars were perfect. Just amazing transmissions matted to a 500+ hp motor. You had a beast and oyu had a dialy driver in one car. All down to the best transmission I have ever seen.

I walked away that day this summer concluding that manual transmissions days are numbered. They are just that good.


I don't how this new Subaru is gonna be. I would say drive it first before you decide it's a bad idea.



I know alot of guys will say "Real men don't need autos or traction control". Well those guys probably haven't driven a 600 hp monster in the street and scared to have fun in it even for a moment because they know it can get away from you. Then you can only enjoy your car on the race track.

Until you have tried this stuff don't knock it.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by turboman808

Until you drive the car I wouldn't comment on it.

Drove the Lamborghini glalardo and F360 with paddle shifts many years ago and have driven these cars a few times since. The Gallardo is a bit better but both shift very harsh. They are manual boxes that the electronics shift for you. It drops the clutch on the 360 like you are on the race track all the time. They are terrible IMO

Then a few years back I test drove an Audi TT with automatic paddle shift. I thought the car was pretty dam good. It shifted pretty fast.

Then this summer I drove the new Jaguar XKR and XFR at the race track. Both are flappy paddle automatics. These cars were perfect. Just amazing transmissions matted to a 500+ hp motor. You had a beast and oyu had a dialy driver in one car. All down to the best transmission I have ever seen.

I walked away that day this summer concluding that manual transmissions days are numbered. They are just that good.


I don't how this new Subaru is gonna be. I would say drive it first before you decide it's a bad idea.



I know alot of guys will say "Real men don't need autos or traction control". Well those guys probably haven't driven a 600 hp monster in the street and scared to have fun in it even for a moment because they know it can get away from you. Then you can only enjoy your car on the race track.

Until you have tried this stuff don't knock it.

Im not entirely against the sti with no clutch pedal, I knew it would happen sometime. But its the fact that they put in a conventional slushbox. not with the times.....not with their market competitors. They needed a twin clutch tranny like in the evo, or a CVT like in the ISF. conventional autos days are numbered far before the conventional manual's are. that is stone age technology. and from a marketing point of view is utterly retarded given that they are etering the market knowing they have an inferior product to their main competitor.

I know all the hubub about the early paddleshift ferraris and whatnot. they had their issues then. but that technology has been mastered, refined, and brought down market. theres no excuse for a performance car of any sort to have a convientional, wasteful and inefficient slushbox

[Got Insulin?]

Calm down. Firstly, that is still a good-looking car. All Subaru is doing is trying to expand their market share to people that can't or don't want to drive a MT, and to people who are looking for a car with a little more pep, but don't want or need the MT. Plus, Autos don't loose boost between shifts, so technically, if set-up correctly, they can be quite a bit faster than MTs with similar mods.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

Calm down. Firstly, that is still a good-looking car. All Subaru is doing is trying to expand their market share to people that can't or don't want to drive a MT, and to people who are looking for a car with a little more pep, but don't want or need the MT. Plus, Autos don't loose boost between shifts, so technically, if set-up correctly, they can be quite a bit faster than MTs with similar mods.

In doing that, they have shattered what the sti is about. done and done its gone. its supposed to be the no compromise car. Appealing to the masses is what the wrx is for. Stis are for serious enthusiasts who want to really drive the car. this goes against the sti market completely. to the point where I can honestly say I would get the evo X hands down. without even considering the sti wagon at all. Mitsu has improved things alot. Subaru has just fallen further and further. its pathetic

[Vr-4-Life]

Who cares? it opens the car up to people who don't want a stick. besides an automatic would be better for a driver like you anyway.

[ndubz]

Its the principle of it. it just is the essence of the new generation bull****.

The sti has been taken from hardcore road rally car badass status down to soccer mom family station wagon status. the wagon was the first step down to compromising the name they had. this just makes it official. The wagon had grown on me actually, so long as the taillights were red. but this just is the last straw. That car is NOT an sti. it just isnt, theres nothing hardcore or awesome about it. and Are they even still officially in WRC at all? cuz last i heard they pulled out all their factory teams. hmmmm goes to show why they began to suck so badly.

[Supraru]

Originally Posted by ndubz

Its the principle of it. it just is the essence of the new generation bull****.

The sti has been taken from hardcore road rally car badass status down to soccer mom family station wagon status. the wagon was the first step down to compromising the name they had. this just makes it official. The wagon had grown on me actually, so long as the taillights were red. but this just is the last straw. That car is NOT an sti. it just isnt, theres nothing hardcore or awesome about it. and Are they even still officially in WRC at all? cuz last i heard they pulled out all their factory teams. hmmmm goes to show why they began to suck so badly.

Weird, imagine how us Rs guys felt when the wrx came over. They went from a great looking car to an ugly car. I've come to like all models looks wise. I think besides the Rs the new "wagon" as you call it is the best looking wrx. I really don't see the big deal.

Also they are unsure if the cvt can hold the power of the sti right now and on top of that people adding power. You won't see that in a wrx or sti for a little now.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by Supraru

Weird, imagine how us Rs guys felt when the wrx came over. They went from a great looking car to an ugly car. I've come to like all models looks wise. I think besides the Rs the new "wagon" as you call it is the best looking wrx. I really don't see the big deal.

Also they are unsure if the cvt can hold the power of the sti right now and on top of that people adding power. You won't see that in a wrx or sti for a little now.

Good points brah....good points.

Im done whoring in this thread, cuz Forza is out and I now have something else to do in my free time. Obvs i'll be checking back to see whats new on tst everyday, but im done bickering on this topic for now. I'll deff still have normal discussions.

But as is now, my opinion on this Auto sti thing stands as it began. I hate it. But my opinion on autos in general has changed a bit thanks to some of you who shone the light of knowledge down upon me but id still take a stick on most sports cars any day because the experience is just better in every way.

[TROLL]

I'll take that silver concept-looking thing in the back. Wazzat?

And its funny, cause there are plenty of GC owners out there who say that YOUR STi is a watered down boat and that it isnt a true STi.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by TROLL

I'll take that silver concept-looking thing in the back. Wazzat?

And its funny, cause there are plenty of GC owners out there who say that YOUR STi is a watered down boat and that it isnt a true STi.

Im well aware of that. And in may ways theyre right if u compare mine to say a 22B. But the 04 is the most hardcore of the GD stis (that came to the US). and now take that and compare any GD or GC sti to this "carbon" Sti. look how they are just ****ing up sooooo badly. the sti has lost its good name. those three letters used to mean something in the automotive world. but that name is getting **** on.

I realize this doesnt affect my car at all. Im talking about subaru and their staff of retards. Ive always loved subaru cuz they knew their market but this is just ****ing it up royally.

[Got Insulin?]

Originally Posted by ndubz

Im well aware of that. And in may ways theyre right if u compare mine to say a 22B. But the 04 is the most hardcore of the GD stis (that came to the US). and now take that and compare any GD or GC sti to this "carbon" Sti. look how they are just ****ing up sooooo badly. the sti has lost its good name. those three letters used to mean something in the automotive world. but that name is getting **** on.

I realize this doesnt affect my car at all. Im talking about subaru and their staff of retards. Ive always loved subaru cuz they knew their market but this is just ****ing it up royally.

Your blather numbs my mind, man. Subaru cares about making money, staying in buisness, selling cars, oh, and making money. They will do whatever it takes to sell more units, your tirades or not. If you were really, really, really angry with them, you'd dump your own Sti in protest, continue to boycott them for the forseeable future, and go buy a Toyota Tercel. Or, take a marketing class and realize this affects you not at all, and that your "outrage" is as much a joke as any argument you could make against STi's being made in auto.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

Your blather numbs my mind, man. Subaru cares about making money, staying in buisness, selling cars, oh, and making money. They will do whatever it takes to sell more units, your tirades or not. If you were really, really, really angry with them, you'd dump your own Sti in protest, continue to boycott them for the forseeable future, and go buy a Toyota Tercel. Or, take a marketing class and realize this affects you not at all, and that your "outrage" is as much a joke as any argument you could make against STi's being made in auto.

Not really dude. I dont think there really is enough of a market for an auto sti to produce them. cuz the sti is an enthusiast car. Also, if they keep making the sti more mundane then all sti customers will buy other cars instead of a new sti. Then subaru really doesnt make money.

And i wouldnt dump my sti cuz its from a time when subaru was still in its greatness. 07 is when they decided to cluster**** themselves.

[BustedUjoint]

Originally Posted by ndubz

Im well aware of that. And in may ways theyre right if u compare mine to say a 22B. But the 04 is the most hardcore of the GD stis (that came to the US). and now take that and compare any GD or GC sti to this "carbon" Sti. look how they are just ****ing up sooooo badly. the sti has lost its good name. those three letters used to mean something in the automotive world. but that name is getting **** on.

I realize this doesnt affect my car at all. Im talking about subaru and their staff of retards. Ive always loved subaru cuz they knew their market but this is just ****ing it up royally.

So, you are saying that because YOU don't like the new STi, Subaru is ****ing up? I personally really like the new body style, and have driven a few of them. I liked them so much, that I was going to get one. Until, this little antichrist in my wife's stomach started growing. From my understanding, they SWITCHED to the hatch because it was more useful IN the WRC. Now, why the decided to pull out of it is beyond me. But, stop. . take a breathe. . and realize that there are a lot of people out there that actually like and enjoy the new STi, whether that be auto or manual. Who gives a ****? We aren't in the "Super Car" class. And Subaru is obviously doing something right seeing as how they are/have been one of the top foreign car companies throughout this economic disaster to actually pull in profit (of course I can not find the chart that I saw this one previously).

Where did you see this info for your original post anyways? Was it the STi A Line? because like I said. this is actually old news, and if memory serves me correctly, it has less HP then the manual as well.

PS. . ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?! THERE IS AN OPTION TO PUT A ROOF RACK ON! THIS IS BULL****!! IM GOING TO GO SET MY WAGON ON FIRE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT SOMEWHAT RESEMBLES THE NEW STI WITH AN OPTIONAL ROOF RACK. . . . .BULL****!!!!!!!!! :D

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by BustedUjoint

So, you are saying that because YOU don't like the new STi, Subaru is ****ing up? I personally really like the new body style, and have driven a few of them. I liked them so much, that I was going to get one. Until, this little antichrist in my wife's stomach started growing. From my understanding, they SWITCHED to the hatch because it was more useful IN the WRC. Now, why the decided to pull out of it is beyond me. But, stop. . take a breathe. . and realize that there are a lot of people out there that actually like and enjoy the new STi, whether that be auto or manual. Who gives a ****? We aren't in the "Super Car" class. And Subaru is obviously doing something right seeing as how they are/have been one of the top foreign car companies throughout this economic disaster to actually pull in profit (of course I can not find the chart that I saw this one previously).

Where did you see this info for your original post anyways? Was it the STi A Line? because like I said. this is actually old news, and if memory serves me correctly, it has less HP then the manual as well.

PS. . ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?! THERE IS AN OPTION TO PUT A ROOF RACK ON! THIS IS BULL****!! IM GOING TO GO SET MY WAGON ON FIRE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT SOMEWHAT RESEMBLES THE NEW STI WITH AN OPTIONAL ROOF RACK. . . . .BULL****!!!!!!!!! :D

Its more of a marketing thing here. You build ur product on brand name. that brand name must stand for something. STi has always stood for the hardcore "rally" cars that you can buy at a dealer and drive on the street. When I say "rally car" i mean as an image thing, not as a function thing, obviously they require 100k or so in mods to really go on a rally.

now Band names appeal to certain people (ie ur market) now the stis market is all enthusiasts who want the full on driving experience. they want something much more hardcore than a normal car. Now subaru is turning the sti into one of those "normal" cars and thus alienating the market. they will lose sales. (i know they arent making it exclusively auto, but this is the essence of how they have made the sti more mundane a car over the last few years) The wrx is supposed to be the car people buy who need to make some compromises for practicality sake. but now the sti makes more compromises that the wrx does......hmmmmm. The wrx only comes in manual, now the sti doesnt. marketing wise they are ****ed up bigtime.

I know many people like the new sti and the wagon thing, like i said before it had begun to grow on me (so long as the taillights were de-ricified)

[ah303]

autos suck

[cmw0021]

Personally, I dont like the wagon.