I Really hate Subaru right now, this is unacceptable

[ndubz]

all I have to say is: Automatic STi.......not a CVT, not dual clutch jobby, a ****ing 5 speed slushbox.





Ok most of u know how i feel about the wagon sti. thats not what this is about entirely. They have just made it 1000x ****ing worse. not only is it a Fugly, fat station wagon, but now its a ****ing automatic. Not even a modern awesome auto like mitsu uses, no. They used a conventional 5 speed piece of ****ing ****. I cannot express my hatred for whoever is running their operation right now. I hope they all DIAF

ok this argument has developed much since it started. I'm adding this because I know most ppl only read the first post.

Many of u are arguing that a market for this car lies with people who "don't give a ****" about performance driving and whatnot. Well here is my answer to that....

People "who don't give a ****" are not going to pay $40,000 fillers for a car in the same size class as a civic or carolla, that has ****ty ride quality, few amanities and all sorts of peformance features like dccd that they will never care to use. Those people would rather buy a base BMW 3 series or Audi or Acura TL or some other nicer normal car. The only people who want an sti are performance enthusiasts. And they won't buy it with the slushbox cuz it costs more and takes away from the performance they want. There is NO MARKET for an automatic sti unless the auto tranny boosts performance in se way as the evos does. Therefore there is no market for the car in question. That makes it a terrible business decision and they will lose money.

Simple facts.

[TROLL]

Did they take away the 6 speed? No.
Chill out, you are entirely too overopinionated.

Interesting to see though, doesn't affect me one bit. That suede dash is pretty sexy however.

[Got Insulin?]

Calm down. Firstly, that is still a good-looking car. All Subaru is doing is trying to expand their market share to people that can't or don't want to drive a MT, and to people who are looking for a car with a little more pep, but don't want or need the MT. Plus, Autos don't loose boost between shifts, so technically, if set-up correctly, they can be quite a bit faster than MTs with similar mods.

[Vr-4-Life]

Who cares? it opens the car up to people who don't want a stick. besides an automatic would be better for a driver like you anyway.

[ndubz]

Its the principle of it. it just is the essence of the new generation bull****.

The sti has been taken from hardcore road rally car badass status down to soccer mom family station wagon status. the wagon was the first step down to compromising the name they had. this just makes it official. The wagon had grown on me actually, so long as the taillights were red. but this just is the last straw. That car is NOT an sti. it just isnt, theres nothing hardcore or awesome about it. and Are they even still officially in WRC at all? cuz last i heard they pulled out all their factory teams. hmmmm goes to show why they began to suck so badly.

[TROLL]

I'll take that silver concept-looking thing in the back. Wazzat?

And its funny, cause there are plenty of GC owners out there who say that YOUR STi is a watered down boat and that it isnt a true STi.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

Calm down. Firstly, that is still a good-looking car. All Subaru is doing is trying to expand their market share to people that can't or don't want to drive a MT, and to people who are looking for a car with a little more pep, but don't want or need the MT. Plus, Autos don't loose boost between shifts, so technically, if set-up correctly, they can be quite a bit faster than MTs with similar mods.

In doing that, they have shattered what the sti is about. done and done its gone. its supposed to be the no compromise car. Appealing to the masses is what the wrx is for. Stis are for serious enthusiasts who want to really drive the car. this goes against the sti market completely. to the point where I can honestly say I would get the evo X hands down. without even considering the sti wagon at all. Mitsu has improved things alot. Subaru has just fallen further and further. its pathetic

[BustedUjoint]

umm. . The STi A-Line was announced back in Feb for Japan. I haven't heard any news of it making it to the states though. Calm down speedy. Japan also get the Spec C as well, which is a more "badass" STi. They get all of the fun toys.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/10902241...line-announced

[Kir Diesel]

I mean it would be ok to offer it as an automatic if it will get them some extra sales.

But overall i agree with you Ndubs m VERY disappointed with what Subaru has been offering since the demise of the GD. They definately didnt create any brand loyalty with me.

Mitsu IMO just offers more for the same money.

[Vr-4-Life]

Why cant you understand that the production STI's for sale arent the same cars as in the wrc? any professional wont take a stock STI off the lot and take it out racing.

True drivers build their cars... the platform is still a good platform.. who cares if it comes in an optional automatic... does that make the car less racier?

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by TROLL

I'll take that silver concept-looking thing in the back. Wazzat?

And its funny, cause there are plenty of GC owners out there who say that YOUR STi is a watered down boat and that it isnt a true STi.

Im well aware of that. And in may ways theyre right if u compare mine to say a 22B. But the 04 is the most hardcore of the GD stis (that came to the US). and now take that and compare any GD or GC sti to this "carbon" Sti. look how they are just ****ing up sooooo badly. the sti has lost its good name. those three letters used to mean something in the automotive world. but that name is getting **** on.

I realize this doesnt affect my car at all. Im talking about subaru and their staff of retards. Ive always loved subaru cuz they knew their market but this is just ****ing it up royally.

[TROLL]

GC > Bugeye > Peanut > Hawk > a few other meh cars > Hatch

Its all relative I guess, haha.

[Got Insulin?]

Originally Posted by ndubz

Im well aware of that. And in may ways theyre right if u compare mine to say a 22B. But the 04 is the most hardcore of the GD stis (that came to the US). and now take that and compare any GD or GC sti to this "carbon" Sti. look how they are just ****ing up sooooo badly. the sti has lost its good name. those three letters used to mean something in the automotive world. but that name is getting **** on.

I realize this doesnt affect my car at all. Im talking about subaru and their staff of retards. Ive always loved subaru cuz they knew their market but this is just ****ing it up royally.

Your blather numbs my mind, man. Subaru cares about making money, staying in buisness, selling cars, oh, and making money. They will do whatever it takes to sell more units, your tirades or not. If you were really, really, really angry with them, you'd dump your own Sti in protest, continue to boycott them for the forseeable future, and go buy a Toyota Tercel. Or, take a marketing class and realize this affects you not at all, and that your "outrage" is as much a joke as any argument you could make against STi's being made in auto.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by Kir Diesel

I mean it would be ok to offer it as an automatic if it will get them some extra sales.

But overall i agree with you Ndubs m VERY disappointed with what Subaru has been offering since the demise of the GD. They definately didnt create any brand loyalty with me.

Mitsu IMO just offers more for the same money.

I know right, my friend just got the ralliart. Its amazing. sooo much better than any previous lancer of any type with regard to build quality and amenities that are useful.......O and guess what....its got a TWIN CLUTCH TRANNY not some ****ing slushbox

and rich, im well aware that WRC cars are purpose built race cars. But, that doesnt change the sti's market place. as The hardcore "rally car" for the street. and like u said most people who buy stis build them up with aftermarket stuff.....so who among that group of modders prefers a slushbox........NOBODY. so in both ways im correct in saying that they are retarded and have lost touch with their market. (unless they want to sell stis to lesbian couples cuz thats the only people who would ****ing buy this ugly ass piece of ****)

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by TROLL

GC > Bugeye > Peanut > Hawk > a few other meh cars > Hatch

Its all relative I guess, haha.

Bugeye and peanut are both GD chassis. I know u know that Troll c'mon lol


and it sucks that we never got the bugeye sti here. I saw a few in europe, they are mad awesome. I <3 my peanut tho

[Scapegoat]

i'm not quite sure why you're upset. for your type of driving an automatic would work just fine.

[kcnizm0]

is this the carbon sti? suppose to have a cf roof or something? i read about this on the lgt forums.

[ndubz]

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

Your blather numbs my mind, man. Subaru cares about making money, staying in buisness, selling cars, oh, and making money. They will do whatever it takes to sell more units, your tirades or not. If you were really, really, really angry with them, you'd dump your own Sti in protest, continue to boycott them for the forseeable future, and go buy a Toyota Tercel. Or, take a marketing class and realize this affects you not at all, and that your "outrage" is as much a joke as any argument you could make against STi's being made in auto.

Not really dude. I dont think there really is enough of a market for an auto sti to produce them. cuz the sti is an enthusiast car. Also, if they keep making the sti more mundane then all sti customers will buy other cars instead of a new sti. Then subaru really doesnt make money.

And i wouldnt dump my sti cuz its from a time when subaru was still in its greatness. 07 is when they decided to cluster**** themselves.

[Vr-4-Life]

Hard core rally car for the street.

Nick... Its a production car... Take it to crawford performance if you want a hard core STI.

you act like every STI is going to have an auto trans... why cry about it being offered? This is just as bad as you "petition for a manual GTR" thread.

you know the supra's came with an 5 speed auto... many people perfer it and there are plenty of fast auto supras.

[BustedUjoint]

Originally Posted by ndubz

Im well aware of that. And in may ways theyre right if u compare mine to say a 22B. But the 04 is the most hardcore of the GD stis (that came to the US). and now take that and compare any GD or GC sti to this "carbon" Sti. look how they are just ****ing up sooooo badly. the sti has lost its good name. those three letters used to mean something in the automotive world. but that name is getting **** on.

I realize this doesnt affect my car at all. Im talking about subaru and their staff of retards. Ive always loved subaru cuz they knew their market but this is just ****ing it up royally.

So, you are saying that because YOU don't like the new STi, Subaru is ****ing up? I personally really like the new body style, and have driven a few of them. I liked them so much, that I was going to get one. Until, this little antichrist in my wife's stomach started growing. From my understanding, they SWITCHED to the hatch because it was more useful IN the WRC. Now, why the decided to pull out of it is beyond me. But, stop. . take a breathe. . and realize that there are a lot of people out there that actually like and enjoy the new STi, whether that be auto or manual. Who gives a ****? We aren't in the "Super Car" class. And Subaru is obviously doing something right seeing as how they are/have been one of the top foreign car companies throughout this economic disaster to actually pull in profit (of course I can not find the chart that I saw this one previously).

Where did you see this info for your original post anyways? Was it the STi A Line? because like I said. this is actually old news, and if memory serves me correctly, it has less HP then the manual as well.

PS. . ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME?! THERE IS AN OPTION TO PUT A ROOF RACK ON! THIS IS BULL****!! IM GOING TO GO SET MY WAGON ON FIRE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT SOMEWHAT RESEMBLES THE NEW STI WITH AN OPTIONAL ROOF RACK. . . . .BULL****!!!!!!!!! :D