views on steroids
 

What are your views on steriod usage?

I know its illegal, but just curious how poeple feel about that.

Personally I understand why it is Illegal in sports. It kind of forces people who might not want to take them feel like they need to in order to keep up with the athletes who take them. As for personal use though for non-althetes I honestly don't understand why it should be illegal.

Myself personally, I would love to try them. I've been a hardcore gym guy for a few years now, and know it would just put me in a whole other league. I have all the respect in the world for "natural" bodybuilders, but not everyone wants to be that way.

personally i would never do it but i dont give a hell what anyone else wants to do

it's just another case of the federal government regulating things they have no business regulating. Athletic commissions and organized professional sports leagues are of course, free to make their own rules, but according to the 10th Amendment of the Constitution the federal government has no authority to regulate steroids. (or drugs, or guns, or alcohol, or any of the other thousands of things they claim to have authority over).

You can't legislate morality, bottom line.

yeah.. good luck with that. enjoy trying them. smart! steroids, legal or not, aren't there just to be abused by barry bonds, roger clemens, manny ramirez and other large headed tools. steroids are usually and mainly used on patients with cancer, MS, AIDS, diabetes and other horrendous diseases. not for your healthy self to get your ultimate swoll on at the gym. I don't see what other 'personal' use there is for a non-athlete besides ruining your already healthy body. enjoy your other small testicle league you want to be in so badly.

I think for personal use under a doctors supervision people should be able to take them. As for sports they should never be allowed to use for any type of sport. Its an unfair advantage and sports should be based off natural ability.

I understand why they are illegal to the general public because people abuse and misuse them all the time. They are not dangerous to the body like you are taught in school. If done right there should be no side affects at all but most people do not do it right and they end up having many health problems because of it.

Within the next year I will be running a 10 week cycle probably for a bulk cycle. I have done my homework and have been looking into for almost 2 years now. I have met people with years of experience in both lifting and cycling. I will be doing it under the supervision of a close friend.

I would be OK with it if people used but their insurance wouldn't cover any ill side effects of it. Same with smokers and heavy drinkers.

Only people who abuse get small balls. Otherwise that stuff never happens.

Nothing wrong with non professional athletic use.

Bysaying that i'm assuming you don't drink.. drinking has a pretty terrible effect on the liver as does smoking. both are still legal. people drink because they like it and think it is fun. some people goto the gym because they truely like it and it becomes a hobby. maybe they want to take their squat from 400lbs to 600lbs. Like I said though, I agree that they should not be used in Sports.
Steriods, when taken right, don't necessarily have as much of a negative effect on the body as most people think. It still puts extra stress on the heart, but so does the amount of caffiene some people drink on a daily basis.

if your not a science-based major you'll never begin to understand the good and bad of steroids. if you wanna try and get a clue on it, go to a school library and research some peer reviewed articles on the subject and learn some chemsitry. anything you'll get from google will be nonsense. you need real scientific research reviewed by other scientists. anyone that can read and comprehend the research will actually know about them, everyone else will just be blowing smoke.

I was diagnosed with growth hormone deficiency when i was in 5th grade. At the time, I played soccer. When they started me on HGH, my performance improved dramatically! I think there is a right way and a wrong way to do steroids, or any drug for that matter. Its a matter of being responsible with the drug and using it as it was intended, not abusing it. If you can keep a level head about it, be mature and responsible, I see no reason why someone shouldnt do steroids (or any drug). Problem with a lot of drugs (steroids included) is that people dont see the negative side effects of them, or choose not to see the side effects. Some drugs CANT be taken responsibly, no matter how strong your willpower- and those drugs should be illegal. But I think a person has the right to put whatever chemicals in them they want. Its your body. Its your responsibility to educate yourself on what youre doing/taking, and make a decision based on that. If it turns out to be a bad decision, its on you and nobody else.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kEnU7hIjHk

I mean who wouldn't want a voice like that.... LIGHT WEIGHT.

The common misconception with steroids from an outside perspective is that you don't just get injected and wake up the next morning with incredible muscle mass. You have to work hard to get the results. You have to put the time in to get the rewards you want, otherwise steroids are just a waste of money. As far as for personal use is concerned i find it to be a poor health choice. I highly doubt that a normal man needs to try to look like that...working out 3-4 times a week should be able to take car of that. However in sports, physical strength is so demanding that its hard to blame anyone for using. Although now a days ALL athletes know the harmful side effects of steroids and the public perception, so any athlete that uses them is just setting themselves up to look foolish.

All in all i would NEVER touch them and would encourage others to do the same. But at the same time its necessary to be aware of why professional athletes have resorted to using them. All of this is just a matter of opinion.

the issue with steroids for me is that the people who take it and get the bad wrap are all the extreme cases of steroid use. think about it, bodybuilder and athletes are people who's career's depends on being the best physically. People who consume steroids already are nutcases (i have several friends on it or have been on it, and they all have self image issues)

i'd take it but not really caring to take it since my joints are all messed up.

The first sentence was written with Heroin in mind.. Its too strong, too addictive of a drug for someone to take responsibly without becoming addicted. Given that, however.. if you educate yourself, know the risks, and come to terms with the fact that taking this drug will likely make you a junkie... then I think a person has the right to do so. Not saying its a good decision, but its a decision that should be made by the person taking the drug. Not by the government.

I guess I did contradict myself there... Ill have to rethink my position and get back to you. :lol:

I guess I just feel that the government shouldn't have the right to tell me what I can or cant take, even if the outcome would be a disaster.

AMEN!

I'm glad there are some of us here who understand the concept of personal liberty.

The government restricting and regulating substances is nothing more than them saying "the peasants are too stupid and irresponsible to make decisions on their own, so we should make those decisions for them."

Doesn't that bother the rest of you? To be told you are too stupid to make your own decisions and that the government always knows what's best for you?

actually steroid use is pretty complicated to do it safely since the word "steroid" covers over 2 dozen different substances.

for people who are interested in learning or hearing what users have to say goto elitefitness.com

i have a friend who was normally and on some "stuff" he started getting very emotional crying to songs on the radio and ****.. :lol:

he was a total nutcase but he's getting better during his PCT

I see no difference between athletes using steroids to perform better and advance in their profession, and models, movie stars, and porn stars who undergo plastic surgery and pop pills for their dick to advance in their given professions.

It's a double standard.

thats kind of funny... kind of lol. obviously side effects effect everyone differently. I know of a few people on that don't really show any other then the occasional bitchyness (then again i haven't looked at their testicles), but at the same time i've heard many horror stories.

Everyone is going to have a different opinion on their views towards this, thats why I asked. I'm more or less just curious becuase steriod usage has always interested me. It's always good to hear other opinions on it.

Amazing how we can clash heads in one thread and completely agree with each other in another. :lol:

yep, that's exactly why I hate the "Rep vs Dem", "left vs right", "conservative vs liberal" labels.

There are pro-gun liberals just like there are pot-smoking conservatives (:mrgreen:). Lumping people into a group based on one or two opinions only contributes to the "divide and conquer" mentality of our current political climate.

"cheating" is in everything

lol i clicked on this thread to post this exact response.

would i ever use steroids? absolutely no way in hell. do i think steroids should be 'allowed' in professional sports? ehh, not really. i think if people want to use steroids in professional sports, there should be a separate group of steroid using athletes with their own schedules... kind of like racing has different classes (i.e. power adders). that's ridiculous and would never happen so it doesn't even count lol. however, i think that steroids should be legal... the same goes for any drug. the .gov has absolutely no business sticking its nose into my business to see what i'm sticking into my veins. i'm 100 percent for personal choice and 100 percent against federal/state regulation.

Now I dont want to get into the legality of it or the ethical part of substance abuse and athletes, but I feel steroids only have a negative affect on the body.

I am by no means a doctor or scientist lol, but I cant help but think of this scenario.

Lets say someone works out 4 times a week for 5 years and over that time he knows after about 12 weeks, he starts to see results on a certain muscle. Then after the long, slow road road of constant working naturally he stumbles across steroids. He decided to start taking steroids responsibly and track his efforts and continues on working out on his usual schedule. After lets say, 6 weeks he sees major gains, the kind of gains he usually sees after 12 weeks he's pumped and now hooked on steroids. It's not so much a physical addiction but more of a mental addiction. Then after 24 weeks of steroid use and gym pounding, he notices he's getting huge. A thought comes to his mind "what if I double my steroid use?? Whats the harm? It's twice the results!". And BAM, responsible usage turns into abuse. It's human nature to want more and more (greed?) so naturally his mind will want more and more muscle which result in more and more steroid usage. After time his testies shrink and he's showing signs of roid rage. Not to mention his body is growing and changing too fast to keep up and his heart, joints, back, etc. are all having difficulty keeping up with the muscle mass.

Now this is only theoritical but I can't help but think this is how many people will end up.

like someone posted earlier- steroids can be used for medicinal purposes for certain health issues.

your statement could also be said by alcohol and smoking.
you can get a buzz from alcohol and drink more and more each time.

There is a list of reasons people go to the ER.
alcohol and car accidents are on top of course also vitamin c overdose, but steroids is on the low end..

people who use steroids = insecure and overcompensating for something .. if you need to get that bulked up to get attention then you have no game at all.

as the situation said on jersey shore...big is out and lean is in. p90x + a decent diet = success.

I completely agree with what your saying. Steroids for health conditions and as a medicine is fine with me, but I feel if used recreationaly only bad things could come

but can you at least see my point that it's no one's business to tell you what you can and cannot put into your body? while you and i can agree that red bull and tastykakes are not the only two food groups, and are probably going to make you obese and make your heart crap out, the 'recreational' sugar rush of 4 red bulls and 10 tastykakes a day can make a person feel good in one way or another and become mentally addicting. should the government tell me that tastykakes and red bull are illegal for me to buy or consume, just because it could lead to health problems?

again, i'm not speaking in support of steroids or in support of a red bull/tastykake diet, or in support of anything, but rather entirely against government regulation. steroid use should be decriminalized simply for the fact that it is not within the government's right to regulate personal use of anything.

...big arms...little wiener.

/thread.

big has always been out- ask a girl if they think jay cutler is hot. close to 300 lbs and super lean is not hot- bodybuilding is an extreme of what it can do it to and plenty of people try to achieve the size.

As far a government regulating what i do/ put in myself I agree %100. Whose to tell me what I can or can't do to myself?

see below. people who use steroids are tools. i don't know what you're trying to say but at the end of the day the classy chicks will go home with the nice, funny guy with a toned body and not the douchebag all juiced up.

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I get what you're saying and I agree.
how many users do you know? I know about 5 guys and throughout my life made friends with probably a dozen plus users.
Most of the guys I know do it cuz they are self conscious about their body - very few do it "to get laid" (however i do know ONE guy who does it to get laid lol)

do you have any idea wtf you're talking about??

Do you realize that your favorite professional athlete most likely either does or did use steroids at one point?

Steroids are not only used by body builders to bulk up, they're used by professional athletes across the board to increase strength and recover from injury more quickly.

I've never used roids and see no reason to, nor would I support someone using them, but your blanket statements about "all steroid users = insecure tools" only shows your ignorance on the subject.

Solamia has no or almost no goverment regulation. Move then and let me know what you think.

They is a high amount of alcohol problems because it is legal, easy to obtain and cheap. Legal = more people are open to do it and on top of that are alot more lax about it. Cheap = can be abused easier

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I'm still yet to see how introducing drugs can have a positive side effect on a person or the world...

No, Somalia (*not solamia, lol - sounds delicious) has NO government, period, not no government regulation. That's a really poor argument and is in no way analogous here.

You wanna play this game? Try moving to China, North Korea or Cuba and let me know what YOU think. :roll:

Take the word "legal" out of that sentence and you might get it. Legality has no impact on the use/consumption of a substance and in most cases only serves to drive the behavior underground and and creates crime where none would have existed otherwise. See also: prohibition.

Are you kidding? Steroids have numerous known medical benefits. Drugs don't have a positive side effect on a person? What the hell are pharmacists for then?

Oh, wait, I see, only the GOVERNMENT knows which drugs are good and which ones are bad. :roll:

There is a need for some govt regulation. Too much and you become like China, N. Korea, ectt... To little or none and you are Somalia. There is a spot in the middle that is just right but not matter what, no everyone will be happy with everything. Druggies will always want drugs and will argue til they are blue in the face they don't do harm... just like someone who gambles can't stop. It is a problem.

The simple fact that it is illegal as well as other drugs keeps me away and would make me want to distance myself from someon using.

I'm all for medical uses, just not recreational.