This coming from the driver of a car designed for exactly the same thing as S-series Saturns.

*subscribes*

This should get interesting...

I don't know if my opinion is far fetched or not, but wouldn't you say that a honda would have more potential? Take into consideration the number of swap's there are. You have B16's, B18's both v-tec and non, K20's, h22's, so to me I would think they are really not in the same "catagory" so to speak. What possible motor would you put in a saturn, possible a vue motor or possibly that new roadster car saturn just added to their line? I am not to familar with them so I couldn't tell you. I am not defending honda's or trying to start a debate here, just trying to broaden your throughts.

My thoughts are broad, believe me. I'm being rational here. He has (had, didn't you sell it?) a Civic hatchback. Even if it was an Si, it's still a small econocar with a 4-banger. I don't see why Civic drivers make their cars out to be anything more than grocery getters. Sorry guys, your cars just aren't that much different than ours.

Seems to be the general consensus with people who are turbo'ing any N/A car.

I will agree with you on this if your referring to my Hyundai. I wouldn't say my wrx is a grocery getter...

Ok. Just the main reasons are that the S platform offers a lot to a modder. It's not cramped, and it's kinda roomy. The body could use some work, cause it has a sleek line until the end. The chassis is incredibly light, and the engine bay is big enough to do a lot with, if you have the time. The point is that this car should have aftermarket, but it doesn't. There's no reason that it shouldn't, other than it's a relatively new car platform. To modify a car with next to 0 aftermarket support is much more applaudable than one that has about 2 billion companies that make stuff for it. (No offense to the people out there with Honda's or anything, it's just how I see it).

The possibilities are endless. The engine bay is big enough to fit an entire small block v8 in with headers, full carb and all accessories without modifying anything except mounting points and a little hood work.

All it takes is a thick wallet.

No, I wouldn't say that it has more potential. The only reason that it is seen as such is because the company was around for such a long time and got popularity in Japan because of its cheapness. Then the people who bought the "Haha, you have a honda grocery getter" car because it was cheap wanted to make it fast. Companies caught it, and started making things. Eventually, Honda saw that standardizing things would allow for ease of production and poof! There's your swaps. But it's an old car company that had a chance to prove itself. No one ever gave Saturn a chance. They had no reason not to, and a whole bunch of fabricated/misinformed conceptions on why they shouldn't. There's not been many swaps into the S chassis other than v8's and turbo LL0's (stock DOHC engine), because it's not worth the fabrication to fit something else in there. The Honda v6 in the Vue COULD be a great swap, but the fabrication for mounting and the transmission and axles would just be rediculous. The IRS of the S chassis allows for a much easier RWD conversion for the small block v8's, which are much cheaper to drop in than a whole FWD engine swap.

Saturns and Hondas are definitely in the same category. Just that Saturns have no aftermarket, being as they're only 15 years old as of now. They're not even their own company anymore, which is why so many good Saturn concepts have been destroyed. (the v6 S-series, for example, which would have given us a TON of extra options to play with.)

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And I do thank everyone for your compliments on the work. It's definitely tough, especially when people keep dogging you for doing it to a Saturn. (and it's mainly Honda owners. Usually the stock high hp guys are appreciative...unless it's a v8, then I get crap from them too. Not all Honda/v8 owners, just a ton)

bah you're megasquirt is easy peasy... look at my mayhem...

http://e34.digital7.com/MegaSquirt/20.jpg

http://e34.digital7.com/MegaSquirt/6cop7.jpg

http://www.blowneuroz.com/newmotor/gmcoil1.jpg

http://www.blowneuroz.com/newmotor/gmcoilwires.jpg

:)


My small turbo is cuter...

http://blowneuroz.com/newmotor/mani4.jpg

http://e34.digital7.com/MegaSquirt/16.jpg
LC-1 wideband hidden in center console

http://e34.digital7.com/MegaSquirt/19.jpg
Clean enough?

http://e34.digital7.com/MegaSquirt/mounted.jpg
Mounted inside glovebox ceiling.

http://e34.digital7.com/MegaSquirt/jjdickmms1.jpg
I take orders :)

That's a lot of wiring.

I don't need to do any of that to run spark. I just need to hook up like 3 other wires and it's done.

props for the originality, and would also like to see it! are you doing anything to strengthen the front axles and brakes?

Don't you just run the Neon 420 or whatever spark control? Aren't there limitations to that? I know that you could run EDIS4 but that has limitations.

I am running MSnS-E 029Q2 with 60-2 wheel decode, water injection, boost control, wasted spark, 4 bar map sensor, real time barrometric correction, launch control/anti lag, over run fuel cut, 7500rpm spark cut.. etc etc etc.

We don't have an issue with front axles. My brakes are already upgraded. Don't need much more stopping power than what I have on there atm.

No, we run MSnS-E 029Q2 as well.

I can't remember how it's set up, but we really don't need to modify it that much.

I know you do- but I am talking about the trigger wheel settings, I think your distributor mode is Neon/420A but who knows.

I can't remember. I know we have to use OBDI IM to make it work

THE WIDEBAND IS FIXED!

The resistor I blew in position R2 was a 10ohm 1watt, which is a common resistor unless you need it.

Soo I took 3 of my old 33ohm 0.5watts and wired them in parallel for a total of somewhere near 11.2ohms. Freakin sweet, mang!