Making Power

[BigWhiteTodd]

Ok I'm going to build a real honda lol I'm trying to figure what's the most hp pumpgas can handle, also what the best setup I'm looking for around 600hp give or take. I'm thinking build b20 bottom with gsr head also built. But also thinks full gsr. I'm not going cheap so I want to know were the pump gas ends and race fuel starts. So help me out I wanna hear know what I can and can't use.

[underpressure02]

I am guessing this is going to be a track only car? As the turbo you will need to make that much power will be useless on the street, also with that much power you will never be able to use it on the street because all you will do is spin. Besides the motor, what are your plans for the clutch, axles, transmission, injectors, motor mounts, cooling system and so on? It is not to hard to make that much power but to keep the motors together and the rest of the car together is where it is going to get expensive. I would just find an ls or gsr block sleeved unless you are set on getting a b20 sleeved.

[sundaybikes]

all motor! screw 600 whp go be a beast with 240 whp with a sick ls-v setup todd

im doing poor-mans type-r in the summer, gsr block with p30's and a built head.shooting for 200 whp in the em1

[BigWhiteTodd]

yeah as for mounts going to be hasport race or something strong axles are driveshaft shop idk the levels but those cooling going to need help with that half rad alum with good fan, trans hmm stock nah jk open to opinions. clutch goes with what trans im gettin this is all going into a da but im thinking of up grading from cable to hydro. i have a ls block now i could was thinking of just sticking with that, an yes track car only.

[BigWhiteTodd]

Originally Posted by sundaybikes

all motor! screw 600 whp go be a beast with 240 whp with a sick ls-v setup todd

im doing poor-mans type-r in the summer, gsr block with p30's and a built head.shooting for 200 whp in the em1

All motor is boring haha I wanna go fast plus I love turbo cars drove a 400 hp civic its was amazing.

[underpressure02]

Originally Posted by BigWhiteTodd

yeah as for mounts going to be hasport race or something strong axles are driveshaft shop idk the levels but those cooling going to need help with that half rad alum with good fan, trans hmm stock nah jk open to opinions. clutch goes with what trans im gettin this is all going into a da but im thinking of up grading from cable to hydro. i have a ls block now i could was thinking of just sticking with that, an yes track car only.

I am only speaking for experience but I would start off with 350-450 hp and see if you really need 600. I use to dailly drive my "race-car" when it was making 306 at the wheels about 200 miles a day. Took it to the track every weekend beat the piss out of it and never had an issue and it was so much fun to drive. Instead of just seeing what I could max out the turbo at I decided to do a big build and I wish I wouldn't have. Sure the car is fast, but it is a headache. I can't drive it on the streets much anymore for fear of getting pulled over or someone stealing it. The power is totally useless as soon as the turbo builds a little bit of boost the DR break loose and I can really only use the car at the track.

I would build the car for a usable hp and it will be alot cheaper. You can make 350-450 on a stock block and have no issues as long as the tune is good. Get a decent clutch stock axles and go have fun.

Your stock tranny should hold 600 before breaking gears some last longer others don't really depends on a lot of things. Just get a good lsd.

[mikes7ke]

All motor is more power than you'll need for the front wheels. I have a built b20b vtec sitting at RT Tuning waiting for someone to buy it. ;)

[DC2.2GSR]

Danny's 500+ hp GSR

he's sure as hell not the first or only one out there making that power, but it's definitely a good example of it.

[BigWhiteTodd]

Yeah maybe go a little lower on power but if I'm building it might as well put it to use, I'm not trying to throw something together. As for all motor nah I'm good

[K20EF9]

600whp

Well you need a sleeved block. Might as well not beat around the bush and just get an 84mm Sleeved Ls Bottom end. Some Pauter Rods, I'd say some 9:1 to 10:1 JE pistons. For the head I'd get some standard dish valves, dual valvesprings, some skunk 2 pro1 Cams, victor x intake manifold, at least a 65mm TB. GE complete lsv/b20v kit.

Might as well not beat around the bush for your turbo setup either, Full-Race or an AFI Turbo kit something around a t3/t67 sized turbo with a 4 inch downpipe, You will want to do a sumped set up or Twin Walboro 255's, 1000cc injectors.

For tuning I'd go with Neptune or Hondata.

I'd definitely run an LSD. For a clutch I really wouldn't dick around there either you want something that will handle 600whp. Possibly a twin disc.

If you are going to do this legit and proper I hope you have $15,000

If it's going to be a track car than **** pumpgas, just run racegas.

[BigWhiteTodd]

Thanks that's all the stuff I was asking.

[underpressure02]

You are going to need to go bigger then a t3/t67 turbo to make 600. Also plan on buying a new dizzy oem not distributor king or a t1 setup for your ign so you don't have break up issues. If you have an old beat up wireharness might want to add that to your list also to eliminate a ton of headaches.

[Got Insulin?]

I don't really think you appreciate how rediculous 600HP cars are. Do you have the time, money, and know-how to build this? Let alone maitain it, or for that matter, drive it? 400 FWHP is way enough for anything that is even going to touch the street, man. I suggest that before you fall too hard, learning to walk before you run.

[K20EF9]

Originally Posted by underpressure02

You are going to need to go bigger then a t3/t67 turbo to make 600. Also plan on buying a new dizzy oem not distributor king or a t1 setup for your ign so you don't have break up issues. If you have an old beat up wireharness might want to add that to your list also to eliminate a ton of headaches.

Why would you need bigger than a t67..?

One of my friends put down 541whp on 19 psi and c12 on a built 2.0L.

A t67 is comparable to a 37r.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1345376

[BigWhiteTodd]

but as for street legal thats that'snot what im I'mworried about if its going to get drivin hard it going to the track im I'mnot retarded like most. No I can't drive I'm going to build a 600hp car and kill my self I've driving high hp fwd an rwd so I can handle it an I'm aming for 600 doesn't mean that's what building. Yes I got the know how and time an money so check check and check. My real ? Wass were does pump gas end an race gas being, also I'm not just building a car out of no were I've been talkin to mb racing on what I should get I trust these guys they have 600+ street legal cars I know for a fact cause of a dyno day they had, as for t67 it can handle what I'm going for I said 600 I mean around there. What you guys think about a jdm turbo kit from ebay hahaah

[BigWhiteTodd]

An I heard the msd dizzy is good and harness is going to get looked over make sure I don't have a fire. Ok what ecu program should I run?

[Got Insulin?]

I hear that grammar gets like 70whp....

[chim64]

I would do a built h22 and do a h2b swap kit in it. .. good gains. Then after that slap a turbo in. You will have a wicked setup

[BigWhiteTodd]

Yeah its not easy doing this on a phone so grammer doesn't always come first. H2b like that delsol on youtube the one that beats the lambo.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by BigWhiteTodd

but as for street legal thats that'snot what im I'mworried about if its going to get drivin hard it going to the track im I'mnot retarded like most. No I can't drive I'm going to build a 600hp car and kill my self I've driving high hp fwd an rwd so I can handle it an I'm aming for 600 doesn't mean that's what building. Yes I got the know how and time an money so check check and check. My real ? Wass were does pump gas end an race gas being, also I'm not just building a car out of no were I've been talkin to mb racing on what I should get I trust these guys they have 600+ street legal cars I know for a fact cause of a dyno day they had, as for t67 it can handle what I'm going for I said 600 I mean around there. What you guys think about a jdm turbo kit from ebay hahaah

oh emm gee... was that even english? lol

chim64 - after much research it's my personal opinion that H22s must stay NA. there are plenty of ways to build them so they are capable turbo'ed motors, but it's not worth the headache. people have repeatedly proven that the GSR motor is the absolute best bang for your buck when you've got turbo dreams.