the highest HP integra out right now

[igo4bmx]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1334420

833 whp 549 ft pounds

[99SL2_Modder]

Can definitely tell it's a honda. Look at that torque!

[SexyDSM95]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

Can definitely tell it's a honda. Look at that torque!

LMFAO!

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

Can definitely tell it's a honda. Look at that torque!

its still over 500 lbs...
its a really steep power curve... could you imagine the pull on it

[2Mopars1Ford]

Massive achievment for a honda powered car.
Only problem I see is that it doesn't make decent power untill around 85-90mph, most races are done around 100 so it doesn't get it's power till a little late in the game.
Personally I like roots style setups with a torque curve that looks like this

torque----------------------------------------------------------------
Also the poster says it probably won't see boost over 30 psi again.
Most cars dont last long at 30+psi soto be able to drive it around on the street reliably he will have to drop the boost alot along with his HP and TQ #s.
Again, great accomplishment for a honda powered car but this gets filed under dyno queen for me.

[wgknestrick]

Typical tuners plot not showing RPMS to make the graph look better.

Everytime I see (highest hp from car X) it seems to be on a MPH based dyno graph. These graph are fairly pathetic when you see how long that HP lasts.

That's not my cup of tea on a FWD car that's for sure. I think the dragsters are way over that # anyways with Honda engines too (like 1000hp).

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by 2Mopars1Ford

Massive achievment for a honda powered car.
Only problem I see is that it doesn't make decent power untill around 85-90mph, most races are done around 100 so it doesn't get it's power till a little late in the game.
Personally I like roots style setups with a torque curve that looks like this

torque----------------------------------------------------------------
Also the poster says it probably won't see boost over 30 psi again.
Most cars dont last long at 30+psi soto be able to drive it around on the street reliably he will have to drop the boost alot along with his HP and TQ #s.
Again, great accomplishment for a honda powered car but this gets filed under dyno queen for me.

keep in mind thats a speed based dyno... you don't run a car in one single gear....

Typical tuners plot not showing RPMS to make the graph look better.

Everytime I see (highest hp from car X) it seems to be on a MPH based dyno graph. These graph are fairly pathetic when you see how long that HP lasts.

That's not my cup of tea on a FWD car that's for sure. I think the dragsters are way over that # anyways with Honda engines too (like 1000hp).

itsn't not my cup of tea either... i mean think of the huge traction problem !
i know of several 500-700 whp hondas running around for at least a year on heavy abuse...
im just amazed at the technology and evolution of power for smal displacement vehicles

[moorefire]

Somebody get the BS flag! MPH dyno plots, some tooner, haha

Even if its legit, a 800whp wrong wheel drive dyno queen is about as usefull as tits on a nun

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by moorefire

Somebody get the BS flag! MPH dyno plots, some tooner, haha

Even if its legit, a 800whp wrong wheel drive dyno queen is about as usefull as tits on a nun

we're waiting for Mase to validate the dyno

he is one of the best honda/acura tuners in america

[wgknestrick]

I still don't know why they won't post RPM graphs when it is just a setting within the Dynojet viewing software. MPH is meaningless to me

[wgknestrick]

thats a speed based dyno... you don't run a car in one single gear....

Am I missing something here? That dyno is a Dynojet. Every run I've ever done or seen on a Dynojet is done in THE gear closest to 1:1. You would see the shifts on the plot anyways.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by wgknestrick

Am I missing something here? That dyno is a Dynojet. Every run I've ever done or seen on a Dynojet is done in THE gear closest to 1:1. You would see the shifts on the plot anyways.

i know... it was done in one gear pull...
the other guy was looking at this graph and said he doesn't see power until 85-90 mph... but this is only one gear....

[2point4DSM]

Originally Posted by 2Mopars1Ford

Personally I like roots style setups with a torque curve that looks like this

torque----------------------------------------------------------------

We aren't trying to pull stumps out of the ground so torque is irrelevant. Horsepower is what determines how fast a car can do the 1/4 mile.

For example, which do you think is going to be faster at the track; a Cummins turbo diesel that makes 610 ft/lbs of torque (http://www.everytime.cummins.com/eve...cummins600.jsp) , the Honda mentioned above, or my impact gun with 625 ft/lb of forward torque (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...mp;R=200051674) .

haha.

[moorefire]

Originally Posted by 2point4DSM

We aren't trying to pull stumps out of the ground so torque is irrelevant. Horsepower is what determines how fast a car can do the 1/4 mile.

BS, HP is derived from TQ, not the other way around. TQ makes u fast, HP is for winning schlong measuring contests on the intarweb.

They're afraid to show the RPM graph cus it will show that that huge snail won't spool till 8k rpm and that that car would get smoked by a car that makes several hunderd HP less but makes real TQ and dosen't have a competly useless poweband.

[Raven18940]

I'd kill this thing on the highway.

[2point4DSM]

Originally Posted by moorefire

BS, HP is derived from TQ, not the other way around. TQ makes u fast, HP is for winning schlong measuring contests on the intarweb.

Show me the math!

Going back to HS physics and remembering that Horse Power is a measure of work done. Or from:
http://www.howstuffworks.com/horsepower.htm
"A horse exerting 1 horsepower can raise 330 pounds of coal 100 feet in a minute, or 33 pounds of coal 1,000 feet in one minute, or 1,000 pounds 33 feet in one minute."

On the other hand, torque has no relationship to distance traveled so that is why even if I could use my impact gun to power a chasis half the weight of the Honda and which has more torque than both the diesel and Honda motor it will never come close to beating them down the 1/4 mile.

Also: http://science.howstuffworks.com/fpte4.htm

In terms of building a motor for a drag race people often trade off torque for more HP via the choice of cams. More overlap gives more torque but also kills HP. Still, people are always going for the bigger cams that put out more HP.

[Raven18940]

You're right, torque alone doesn't equal hp. You have to multiply it by a velocity, rpms.

HP = lb-ft * rpms / 5252

[2point4DSM]

The guys that brag about torque numbers are the ones doing the big bunouts. Big deal! Spinning tires gets you no where.... ;)

That's why I'm an AWD person.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by moorefire

BS, HP is derived from TQ, not the other way around. TQ makes u fast, HP is for winning schlong measuring contests on the intarweb.

They're afraid to show the RPM graph cus it will show that that huge snail won't spool till 8k rpm and that that car would get smoked by a car that makes several hunderd HP less but makes real TQ and dosen't have a competly useless poweband.

i have a feeling he is using either a gt40r or a gt42r which can spool a 2.0L honda at around 5-6K and he prolly revved to 9-10K (possibly)

[Raven18940]

I'll brag about my torque figures, 260 lb-ft from 2000-4000 rpms. Does it mean much at the drag strip, hell no. It's fantastic on the highway though, I never have to downshift. I can be going 65, just put my foot down and in the blink of an eye I'm going 80. Put my foot hard down and I'm going 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150. Engines with good midrange torque feel limitless in their acceleration cause the hp curve is much broader and smoother. Screw flat torque curves, I want a flat power curve.