demon_camber"s lowwwww crapbox.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Originally Posted by thefro526

For those of you that continue to question the safety of Demon_Camber's alignment, it seems that many of you are confusing camber and toe.

Excess Toe is the primary cause of excess tire wear and can cause the car to drive strangely and unsafely if it's out of spec.

Camber doesn't really accelerate tire wear, though it does effect how the tire will wear over it's lifetime. Having a lot of negative camber doesn't have much, if any, effect on how straight the car will drive under normal conditions.

Though, excess camber does decrease the amount of tire contacting the road, so the driver must remember this in adverse conditions like rain or snow.

Overall, it's really no less safe than any other car, under normal conditions, though in the rain or snow it might be a bit iffy because they're not much tire contacting the road.

Or, if I may use Obee's logic for a moment, excess camber causes women to have naughty desires about you.

A bit biased not all that true.

The issues with it are tire contact patch under straight acceleration is lessened. But this car is not a power machine, so no big deal

Cornering will increase with negative camber (assuming the car is in alignment with minimal cross camber and a good total toe number), but negative camber in the front can cause the braking to be a little "squirrely" and unpredictable, especially in a turning cornering situation.

The car will be more prone to over-steer in cornering, but to minimal contact patch in the rear with a planted accelerated front.

Being FWD the wet traction must be scary for the rear wheels with a minimal contact patch. Hydroplaning in FWD is usually the cause of the rear wheels lifting over water; match that with the contact patch.

Also since this is just a cruiser car it's not pushed, at the same time hardened and parts designed for the stresses of addl camber have probably been looked over. The stress points are less vertical, which caused more stress on the wheels studs, bearing, ball joints, CV joint wear, and bushing. Wear leads to loose, loose leads to play, suspension play is unpredictable which is unsafe. Slow cruises, properly maintained, properly aligned meh no biggie, just slammed, with messed up ball joints, out of alignment, sloppy steering..... Now match this all with tires that wear faster and unevenly.

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by OutToWinPAHC

A bit biased not all that true.

The issues with it are tire contact patch under straight acceleration is lessened. But this car is not a power machine, so no big deal

Cornering will increase with negative camber (assuming the car is in alignment with minimal cross camber and a good total toe number), but negative camber in the front can cause the braking to be a little "squirrely" and unpredictable, especially in a turning cornering situation.

The car will be more prone to over-steer in cornering, but to minimal contact patch in the rear with a planted accelerated front.

Being FWD the wet traction must be scary for the rear wheels with a minimal contact patch. Hydroplaning in FWD is usually the cause of the rear wheels lifting over water; match that with the contact patch.

Also since this is just a cruiser car it's not pushed, at the same time hardened and parts designed for the stresses of addl camber have probably been looked over. The stress points are less vertical, which caused more stress on the wheels studs, bearing, ball joints, CV joint wear, and bushing. Wear leads to loose, loose leads to play, suspension play is unpredictable which is unsafe. Slow cruises, properly maintained, properly aligned meh no biggie, just slammed, with messed up ball joints, out of alignment, sloppy steering..... Now match this all with tires that wear faster and unevenly.

It seems that your argument is a just as biased as mine.

You seemed to use the extreme situation in order to support your point whereas I used normal driving.

You are right, that being this low will accelerate wear on all wearable suspension components, but if the car is properly maintained, then this shouldn't be a problem. And seeing that it's just a cruiser, most of the hard driving things you noted in the post above aren't really applicable to this car.

[OutToWinPAHC]

my example was suspension wear, braking in a turn, and wet traction.....

[Y2KFirehawk]

Yipes! Benefit of all that negative camber is....??

[420sx]

Originally Posted by Y2KFirehawk

Yipes! Benefit of all that negative camber is....??

Mad intrawebz controversy.

[PhillyLS1]

my $0.02
All the hate? Your fault. You made this thread to show off because you crave attention. Positive or negative, you really don't care as long as you're getting it. I suggest tattoos and facial piecing next along with joing the democratic party and a Mohawk. Also, buy Apple products.

Originally Posted by troskinatior

Hahahaha
No im not laughing about the kiddie bike (but it is pretty gay) I'm laughing because this is the total fan boy car ever.
Roof rack, check.
Hella flush, check.
I Needs moar low, check.
Awesome I gots cambers, check.
Lets put stuff on my hood to make it look cool, check.
I need more rust y0, check.
Offsetssssss,check.
I need more jdm, I know lets get a fake jdm plate, check.

This is a direct reflection on the poor state of affairs the car scene today is in. You have a bunch of asshats that take the easy way out. Meaning? They crave attention as I stated above, but they're not willing to put the time or money to get the POSITIVE attention that hard work deserves.

Now it's gotten to a point the mindless fanbois will make their car look worse to fit in. I'm surprised people aren't posing/doing photoshoots in junkyards.

Originally Posted by demon_camber

Why is there so much hate on my car?.............
There's so much criticism these days, its stupid.... If you haven't noticed by now I"m not you typical honda owner. The style that is heavily reflected on my sedan is the usdm and street drift scene in japan. Extremely low cars , crazy exhaust, good stance, and fitting wide wheels properly. It"s what I like. You can call my car a fan boy build but how are you suppose to know what you like without looking at other peoples cars for inspiration???.......I will be adding more camber, I will be adding wider wheels, I will be going lower and I will be rusting my hood. For the people who hate my car.......put my car next to yours and we will see which car get more attention.......I might be a quiet kid and I don't talk much but my car grabs attention and does the talking for me..... Thanks to the people that like my car and appreciate the style...especially THE FRO and MZ ARIELLE EK9....more is coming when I get back to the states..........and for the people that don't like my car.........rotate on a dick..........have a nice day!

You and your crowd ripped this off from German car enthusiasts that wanted to run a fatter tire than law allowed (or something to that effect. It's been a while since I lived in Germany). The funny thing is you think this is a reflection of Japan lol.
Again you get attention the same way someone who falls down in public get attention. People are laughing at you, they're just too nice to say it.

Lastly this crap is dangerous. There have been incidents where these set-ups have blown out. The really fun ones in Germany were the tires that blew out and then the stupid camber grabbed cement and flipped the cars. You don't have to be going fast to do that.

Clownshoes. ****ing clownshoes.

[PhillyLS1]

Originally Posted by OBEEWON

Thank you Dustin.
In other news I have officially reached the end of the internet. Still no camber related deaths. But in the interest of science I will continue my search.

Not everything that happens is on the internet. Ask any GI station in Germany that was into cars 10-15 years ago. They can tell you about accidents because of these set-ups.

Whether you want to believe me is fine. But that's what I experienced and SAW.

[gotvtec?]

Demon camber saw ur car down at the races at aramingo some place low cars dont belong

[OBEEWON]

My post was completely fatcetious. If anything the internet is full of misinformation.

Clearly I'm not going to Germany to ask a GI anything anytime soon. So what accident have you personally seen that was due to camber?

I would like to see proof of camber increasing pressure on those specific parts mentioned.

[OBEEWON]

Originally Posted by PhillyLS1

my $0.02
All the hate? Your fault. You made this thread to show off because you crave attention. Positive or negative, you really don't care as long as you're getting it. I suggest tattoos and facial piecing next along with joing the democratic party and a Mohawk. Also, buy Apple products.


This is a direct reflection on the poor state of affairs the car scene today is in. You have a bunch of asshats that take the easy way out. Meaning? They crave attention as I stated above, but they're not willing to put the time or money to get the POSITIVE attention that hard work deserves

Now it's gotten to a point the mindless fanbois will make their car look worse to fit in. I'm surprised people aren't posing/doing photoshoots in junkyards.

Your own sig is saying the opposite really...

"To be loved is to be fortunate, but to be hated is to achieve distinction.. "

Originally Posted by PhillyLS1

You and your crowd ripped this off from German car enthusiasts that wanted to run a fatter tire than law allowed (or something to that effect. It's been a while since I lived in Germany). The funny thing is you think this is a reflection of Japan lol.
Again you get attention the same way someone who falls down in public get attention. People are laughing at you, they're just too nice to say it.

It was done in Japan in racing to stiffen the sidewall as well. Who knows where it came from first. Does it really matter?

Originally Posted by PhillyLS1

Lastly this crap is dangerous. There have been incidents where these set-ups have blown out. The really fun ones in Germany were the tires that blew out and then the stupid camber grabbed cement and flipped the cars. You don't have to be going fast to do that.

Clownshoes. ****ing clownshoes.

How does camber grab the cement?

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by OutToWinPAHC

my example was suspension wear, braking in a turn, and wet traction.....

Fair enough, I must've misinterpreted your post.

Even so, that's just some of the compromise to being that low.

Originally Posted by PhillyLS1

Not everything that happens is on the internet. Ask any GI station in Germany that was into cars 10-15 years ago. They can tell you about accidents because of these set-ups.

Whether you want to believe me is fine. But that's what I experienced and SAW.

So wait, if they were so rampant 10-15 years ago, then why aren't the accidents still occurring today. Also, if the setups are so dangerous then why to people continue to push the limit.

Also, your post above was a little over the top. It really comes off as a personal attack towards Demon_Camber (Chris) and I don't think that's appropriate here.

[grimm]

i've seen it where the camber jumps out and smacks a bitch in the face.

[PhillyLS1]

Originally Posted by OBEEWON

My post was completely fatcetious. If anything the internet is full of misinformation.

Clearly I'm not going to Germany to ask a GI anything anytime soon. So what accident have you personally seen that was due to camber?

I would like to see proof of camber increasing pressure on those specific parts mentioned.

I didn't say go to germany.

Originally Posted by thefro526

Fair enough, I must've misinterpreted your post.

Even so, that's just some of the compromise to being that low.




So wait, if they were so rampant 10-15 years ago, then why aren't the accidents still occurring today. Also, if the setups are so dangerous then why to people continue to push the limit.

Also, your post above was a little over the top. It really comes off as a personal attack towards Demon_Camber (Chris) and I don't think that's appropriate here.

The tire wears, and blows out or the driver's supension gets sloppy from abuse etc. The rim digs into the cement and flips the car.

Same thing happened to the corvair

I dunno why people push the limit. I also don't understand why lady gaga is popular.

I can only theorize people need hugs from their dads or that they lack common sense.

[demon_camber]

Originally Posted by twerktify493

Whats the story on the blue civic in the back? still for sale?
Sick car either way.

the blue sedan is a 50,000 mile, no rust gem that was bought by a buddy of mine for $500. no it's not for sale "yet" and thanks.

Originally Posted by PhillyLS1

my $0.02
All the hate? Your fault. You made this thread to show off because you crave attention. Positive or negative, you really don't care as long as you're getting it. I suggest tattoos and facial piecing next along with joing the democratic party and a Mohawk. Also, buy Apple products.



This is a direct reflection on the poor state of affairs the car scene today is in. You have a bunch of asshats that take the easy way out. Meaning? They crave attention as I stated above, but they're not willing to put the time or money to get the POSITIVE attention that hard work deserves.

Now it's gotten to a point the mindless fanbois will make their car look worse to fit in. I'm surprised people aren't posing/doing photoshoots in junkyards.

The funny thing is you think this is a reflection of Japan.

and you think my car doesnt have any type of hard work into it?
thanks for giving me the idea of having a photoshoot at a junkyard!
and i never said it started in japan, the styles are based on the same concept but are very diffrent.

Originally Posted by gotvtec?

Demon camber saw ur car down at the races at aramingo some place low cars dont belong

i will never be going there agian.......

Originally Posted by OBEEWON

How does camber grab the cement?

i whould like to know that too! lol

Originally Posted by PhillyLS1

I didn't say go to germany.


The tire wears, and blows out or the driver's supension gets sloppy from abuse etc. The rim digs into the cement and flips the car.

Same thing happened to the corvair

I dunno why people push the limit. I also don't understand why lady gaga is popular.

I can only theorize people need hugs from their dads or that they lack common sense.

i dont understand anything you are saying........
i push the limit because i want too, and you my friend need to go back to school. and also idc what happened to your corvair sorry to say........

[05suby]

i cant believe people are still arguing about this

[05suby]

Originally Posted by PhillyLS1

my $0.02
All the hate? Your fault. You made this thread to show off because you crave attention. Positive or negative, you really don't care as long as you're getting it. I suggest tattoos and facial piecing next along with joing the democratic party and a Mohawk. Also, buy Apple products.

and you, wtf does this have to do anything? are you really just throwing **** out your ass that you dont like to be funny? because it just makes you look even more retarded.

[gotvtec?]

Yo demon ask ur boy with the white si if he wants my wheels

[Gabe4AFE]

[tristatesentra]

lol this thread is full of anger,fail and............................

[TNTramair]

Originally Posted by OutToWinPAHC

A bit biased not all that true.

The issues with it are tire contact patch under straight acceleration is lessened. But this car is not a power machine, so no big deal

Cornering will increase with negative camber (assuming the car is in alignment with minimal cross camber and a good total toe number), but negative camber in the front can cause the braking to be a little "squirrely" and unpredictable, especially in a turning cornering situation.

The car will be more prone to over-steer in cornering, but to minimal contact patch in the rear with a planted accelerated front.

Being FWD the wet traction must be scary for the rear wheels with a minimal contact patch. Hydroplaning in FWD is usually the cause of the rear wheels lifting over water; match that with the contact patch.

Also since this is just a cruiser car it's not pushed, at the same time hardened and parts designed for the stresses of addl camber have probably been looked over. The stress points are less vertical, which caused more stress on the wheels studs, bearing, ball joints, CV joint wear, and bushing. Wear leads to loose, loose leads to play, suspension play is unpredictable which is unsafe. Slow cruises, properly maintained, properly aligned meh no biggie, just slammed, with messed up ball joints, out of alignment, sloppy steering..... Now match this all with tires that wear faster and unevenly.

agreed 100%.