Nissan 240

[pinacup7]

Not trying to start a fight here. What is it that all of you guys see in them? It seems like instead of civics and integras everyone is buying a 240. Most of them are falling apart, have 5 different color body panels, are slow and look like crap. After some of you guys put 10k in it sure they look and perform great, but its still an old 240. I'm just curious, is there something i'm missing?

[240sxDann]

I've gone over this so many times but long story short is they are fairly cheap to be had ($4k or under or so), RIDICULOUS amounts of aftermarket, can handle amazingly for cheap, can be FAST for cheap, and to top it off they are light rwd cars, so you can do just about anything with it. (drifting, drag racing, auto-x, road racing, whatever). Thats about it. Plus the sexy factor, they are just pretty. And mines not multi colored or falling apart, fyi. :mrgreen:

[93TalonEs-T]

I think its just like hondas,you have some die hard honda fans who build there cars clean and make them fast.Then there are some that are just jumping on the band wagon.Same deal with the 240's.

[GOULET]

Oh god not this crap again.

[DriftNasty180sx]

lol....dude stop while ur ahead.

[93TalonEs-T]

Git em.lol


lol....dude stop while ur ahead.

[FazdaGt]

i'll put it in some simple words....

a well put together 240 is easily more fun to drive than my vette.

that's what i see in them.

[pinacup7]

I guess whatever floats your boat. I don't dislike them but just wondering why over the past year it seems like everyone has bought one.

[FazdaGt]

well that's a fad....

some of us have owned them for a longggggg time.

i'm without one right now, but i think the guys that are really into them have been around awhile. the guy that are suddenly getting into them are moreso doing it because they're the cool car to have nowadays.

[SpEcRv9]

sounds like somebody got smoked by a 240 and is all upset now.

[pinacup7]

well that's a fad....

some of us have owned them for a longggggg time.

i'm without one right now, but i think the guys that are really into them have been around awhile. the guy that are suddenly getting into them are moreso doing it because they're the cool car to have nowadays.

Yea you can tell the guys that have had them for a while and know everything about them. I just dislike the young kids trying to slide around every turn on the road and then tell me they have a turbocharged skyline motor when its na.

[pinacup7]

sounds like somebody got smoked by a 240 and is all upset now.

hahahah I hope your not directing this to me?

[SpEcRv9]

totally directed at you.

[pinacup7]

Yea you got me...? good one. Sweet sentra man im surprised you haven't switched over to the 240

[SpEcRv9]

lol you so funnayh!

[pinacup7]

I know, I know. Well im going to the bar. Go EAGLES!!!

[freewilly]

I think 240sx are nice cars and there's many reasons to like them, but their surge in popularity is solely due to the drifting becoming popular.

[freewilly]

Think about the other cars that compete with 240sx.... really cheap rwd cars. There's not that many and any other car in this category is either more expensive or really rare or has at least one fatal flaw. You have to admit that while the stock 240sx may not be that great... there's also not that much wrong with it either.

[TurboTagTeam]

Not trying to start a fight here. What is it that all of you guys see in them? It seems like instead of civics and integras everyone is buying a 240. Most of them are falling apart, have 5 different color body panels, are slow and look like crap. After some of you guys put 10k in it sure they look and perform great, but its still an old 240. I'm just curious, is there something i'm missing?

I agree. They suck.

Why do I own one? I really dont know.

[CleanNeon98]

I'm not really a fan of them either, most that I see fill that half-done, half-assed spot, but there's definately a big market for them.

[tr4c3]

I just liked how they handled/looked and it was an easy transition from rx7's. I dealt with rotary for about 4 years and I just wanted to try something else. I was always into s13's so I checked one out and liked it. I was never into drifting or anything, it was just a great car with a ****load of aftermarket. Plus rwd.

[GHost240SX]

I used to own a TA and wanted a 240 before I got my TA. After owning and driving a TA and owning and driving my 240 ( though it was short). The S14 is a nice car and easily built, just as the S13 is. Honestly, you can post this thread about any car. In the domestic market you will notice a trend for younger people to have C5s and C5 Z06s because they are dirt cheap. Same with Camaros and Trans Ams. And at the end of the day if you like, you buy and you enjoy. Its your money and your life, your ride (in my opinion) represents you and your mindset. Hell I want an FC3S after i get my 240 on the road again. Not many people want those things.

[jspek]

who cares? you gonna start a crusade and wreck them all? cause youre a lil late on that lol. seriously tho, i always wanted one since i was in highschool and went to see signal at etown back in 03 i believe. fell in love with drifting. took me a while to get a 240, got one, hated/loved it, made me broke and i still love them.

i cant stand the bandwagon that started but that was expected.

[omgjacki]

I've had a thing for the look of an S13 coupe since waaaaay before I even knew what drifting was. I just haven't had the money to have my own until recently. I didn't buy it because I want to drift. I bought it because that's what I wanted. I've never even drifted my car once. Haven't even attempted. My car runs perfect and it's reliable as hell. Yes, I could have had any piece of **** car for the price I payed for my 240 but I wasn't buying anything but and as soon as it's not cold anymore I'm going to make it look soooooo pretty =)

[CleanNeon98]

I've had a thing for the look of an S13 coupe since waaaaay before I even knew what drifting was. I just haven't had the money to have my own until recently. I didn't buy it because I want to drift. I bought it because that's what I wanted. I've never even drifted my car once. Haven't even attempted. My car runs perfect and it's reliable as hell. Yes, I could have had any piece of **** car for the price I payed for my 240 but I wasn't buying anything but and as soon as it's not cold anymore I'm going to make it look soooooo pretty =)
You mean Reese is going to make it pretty...

[OutToWinPAHC]

last I checked you couldn't put one of these in a Civic, and its super light makes a Goat seem like a Caddy.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/outtowinpahc/240SX/P1020113.jpg

But its a cheap foundation for almost any use. You want a 200HP drift slut easy, you want a 500HP LS1/2/6/7/3 done, you want a 302 easy, you want to be skyline powered easy. There are an adundance of parts for it. In my opinon I have the best of both worlds. The aftermarket support to make upto 600 NA HP of LS power, and all the vehicle support of the S13. Some are beat up because they are toys and take abuse, others just have a cheap car and it is what it is.

[CleanNeon98]

last I checked you couldn't put one of these in a Civic, and its super light makes a Goat seem like a Caddy.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d47/outtowinpahc/240SX/P1020113.jpg

But its a cheap foundation for almost any use. You want a 200HP drift slut easy, you want a 500HP LS1/2/6/7/3 done, you want a 302 easy, you want to be skyline powered easy. There are an adundance of parts for it. In my opinon I have the best of both worlds. The aftermarket support to make upto 600 NA HP of LS power, and all the vehicle support of the S13. Some are beat up because they are toys and take abuse, others just have a cheap car and it is what it is.
Check again

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j90/highpsimr2/100_0026-2.jpg

http://www.thetorquereport.com/civichatchvetteengine-thumb.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dimra6Ucj0&feature=PlayList&p=539A53275BDC79CC&playnext=1&index=27

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fljs6YhJ_I

[OutToWinPAHC]

no that was not put into a civic, its on the vette frame. Its on the vette, not in the civic.

[CleanNeon98]

Gee, I see an EK body and an LS motor...and the motor looks to be...IN THE CAR...

[OutToWinPAHC]

The civic is on the C5 chassis (shortened) Its also why the drivers seats is in the back seat. I know that build all too well. Its called the Civette. Your can put a Lambo body on the fiero frame but at the end of the day its still a fiero. Its not a civic, its a vette with a civics body.

[CleanNeon98]

The civic is on the C5 chassis (shortened) Its also why the drivers seats is in the back seat. I know that build all too well. Its called the Civette. Your can put a Lambo body on the fiero frame but at the end of the day its still a fiero. Its not a civic, its a vette with a civics body.
You never said anything about frames or anything else. Besides who cares, I can put an LS series in my car, you don't see me getting all high and mighty about it.

[omgjacki]

You mean Reese is going to make it pretty...

No sweetheart, I mean I am going to make it pretty.

[CleanNeon98]

No sweetheart, I mean I am going to make it pretty.
OH SNAP!! :lol:

[OutToWinPAHC]

Nobodys being high and mighty. You made your point and I made mine. If its RWD chances are it might have a LS in it.

[mikes7ke]

They're kind of like civics, except fr, no vtech, and a little less ugly. :p

[CleanNeon98]

They're kind of like civics, except fr, no vtech, and a little less ugly. :p
Civics don't have VTECH either.

[GOULET]

who cares this is the dumbest thread ever.

[omgjacki]

...and RWD and 100 times better.

[jspek]

who cares this is the dumbest thread ever.

thank you.

[89RBS13]

i bought my S13 for $1000 and drove it home. that was in '04 when you could find them everywhere and they were cheap because hondas were still on the covers of magazines.

the reason for buying an S chassis are simple - cheap, great aftermarket support, and can be made real fast. just like everyone else here has said. in the end though, they're ugly 80's cars. not much else. lol.

i bought my car with a single cam in it, then swapped it to the KA-DE. i bought lots of super nice KA-T stuff and had the parts sitting in my garage to make a reliable daily drivable 425-ish to the wheels. for some reason i got bored with the idea of the KA-T before i even started building the motor. sold my KA stuff and bought my 25. now my motor has the potential to make 400 with not much more than a turbo and fuel.

that's the great thing about S cars, you can put whatever you want in it. it's just a matter of deciding which motor you want to go with. there are so many ways to 400+ hp. match that with easily modified suspension and you've got one badass car for not too much money.

[ndubz]

Its like this. 240s are light, cheap, Rear wheel Drive, and have a huge parts base. They are probably the best cheap performance car. Civics and Tegs are ok, but they are both FWD, and for performance, FWD is inferior to both RWD and AWD. 240s are compatible with countless numbers of Nissan parts, many of which were never on the 240/silvia platform. Like the hondas, they are light, and therefore dont need a whole lot of power to be extremely quick. And they are just as cheap as the hondas too. Parts are also extremely affordable. A turbo kit for my STi costs from 1100-5000 dollars. For a 240, the price for a turbo and supporting mods start around 300. They are cars that have alot of potential, and dont cost all that much to make fast. And obviously, they are ideal for drifting. Hondas are great, but FWD is not great for high performance. If it was, ud see high end performance cars with it. But there are no FWD Ferraris or porsches. Those high end companies that use unlimited resources to develop fast cars use RWD and more recently, AWD.

Pinnacup7 u drive a GTO.A very good RWD car. u should understand why the 240 is great. It is a matter of price though. Many ppl who get 240s get them because they couldnt afford say a 300ZX or supra at the time they bought their car. I have my STi now, but if i were financially limited, I would have a 240. And chances are, if u were limited, so would u. Because u obviously understand the merits of RWD. The simple fact of it is that for the price, the 240 is among the only legit performance cars u could buy. Maybe a mustang or miata are there too. But unless ur drag racing, the 240 is the best all around performance car in that range.

[89RBS13]

A turbo kit for my STi costs from 1100-5000 dollars. For a 240, the price for a turbo and supporting mods start around 300.

well i agree with most of what you said... but that comment is just dumb. i payed $300 for my 3" downpipe. lol unless you're buying SSAC parts, you're not getting much of anything for 300 bucks.

[GOULET]

Its like this. 240s are light, cheap, Rear wheel Drive, and have a huge parts base. They are probably the best cheap performance car. Civics and Tegs are ok, but they are both FWD, and for performance, FWD is inferior to both RWD and AWD. 240s are compatible with countless numbers of Nissan parts, many of which were never on the 240/silvia platform. Like the hondas, they are light, and therefore dont need a whole lot of power to be extremely quick. And they are just as cheap as the hondas too. Parts are also extremely affordable. A turbo kit for my STi costs from 1100-5000 dollars. For a 240, the price for a turbo and supporting mods start around 300. They are cars that have alot of potential, and dont cost all that much to make fast. And obviously, they are ideal for drifting. Hondas are great, but FWD is not great for high performance. If it was, ud see high end performance cars with it. But there are no FWD Ferraris or porsches. Those high end companies that use unlimited resources to develop fast cars use RWD and more recently, AWD.

Pinnacup7 u drive a GTO.A very good RWD car. u should understand why the 240 is great. It is a matter of price though. Many ppl who get 240s get them because they couldnt afford say a 300ZX or supra at the time they bought their car. I have my STi now, but if i were financially limited, I would have a 240. And chances are, if u were limited, so would u. Because u obviously understand the merits of RWD. The simple fact of it is that for the price, the 240 is among the only legit performance cars u could buy. Maybe a mustang or miata are there too. But unless ur drag racing, the 240 is the best all around performance car in that range.


ahahahahahahaahhahaha

once again we are blessed with a response from ndubz

[240sxDann]

Plus easily achievable 50/50 weight distribution is awesome. :mrgreen:

[89RBS13]

i wonder what my weight dist. is with my 25 :eek: 70-30 ?? haha

[CleanNeon98]

ahahahahahahaahhahaha

once again we are blessed with a response from ndubz
Yea, I don't think he knows that his car is boosted stock :bigeek:

[omgjacki]

i bought my S13 for $1000 and drove it home. that was in '04 when you could find them everywhere and they were cheap because hondas were still on the covers of magazines.

the reason for buying an S chassis are simple - cheap, great aftermarket support, and can be made real fast. just like everyone else here has said. in the end though, they're ugly 80's cars. not much else. lol.

i bought my car with a single cam in it, then swapped it to the KA-DE. i bought lots of super nice KA-T stuff and had the parts sitting in my garage to make a reliable daily drivable 425-ish to the wheels. for some reason i got bored with the idea of the KA-T before i even started building the motor. sold my KA stuff and bought my 25. now my motor has the potential to make 400 with not much more than a turbo and fuel.

that's the great thing about S cars, you can put whatever you want in it. it's just a matter of deciding which motor you want to go with. there are so many ways to 400+ hp. match that with easily modified suspension and you've got one badass car for not too much money.

btw,


i can't see that happening :roll: somehow i can't imagine you blocking poly and spraying base and clear.

Because I'm a girl? I really hope that's not where you're going with this. I took auto mech/auto body in high school for 3 years with every intention of going to tech school afterwards. I changed my mind mecause I realized I'd rather leave it as a hobby and do something the complete opposite. So why wouldn't I do it? Please, humor me.

[240sxDann]

Because I'm a girl? I really hope that's not where you're going with this. I took auto mech/auto body in high school for 3 years with every intention of going to tech school afterwards. I changed my mind mecause I realized I'd rather leave it as a hobby and do something the complete opposite. So why wouldn't I do it? Please, humor me.

OMG REALLI?! Me to! DESTINY! <3 hahahahaha

[CleanNeon98]

Jacki, relax. *hug*

[Goddabob]

I bought mine to have an easy to work on rwd chassis, hence project car. I personally like the body styles, esp the s13 coupes.
I'd like to think I didnt jump on the bandwagon since I had 2 hatches 4 years ago and knew it was only a matter of time before I got another.
Its cool to see the 240sx get the attention it deserves.

My bet is the GTO will be in the same boat as the 240sx in 10 to 15 years. When the cars are neglected and used and cost a fraction of a new car.
Stupid people will get their hand on them, they wont all be pretty looking anymore. I cant wait to see the **** people do to the GTO's

[89RBS13]

Because I'm a girl? I really hope that's not where you're going with this. I took auto mech/auto body in high school for 3 years with every intention of going to tech school afterwards. I changed my mind mecause I realized I'd rather leave it as a hobby and do something the complete opposite. So why wouldn't I do it? Please, humor me.

i said i can't imagine you blocking poly and spraying. i didn't say a girl.

i don't know you personally, just from reading posts here on TST... maybe it was a stupid comment. i just said it because what i've read leads me to believe you're not exactly the "hands on" type. not because you're incapable or 'girly', it just that it seems you're not one to do your own work. i dunno, again it was just a stupid comment.

[ndubz]

Im well aware of my own car's situation. And my friend just got an SR20 turbo for 300 dollars. So I guess that makes u both wrong. Either way, the 240 is the best "cheap" performance car out there.

And Goulet, if u cant find parts that cheap, then maybe ur not as clever as some people are, because that **** is out there. U just gotta know where to look.

[Goddabob]

300 for just the turbo? what about dp, manifold, intercooler, piping?

[FazdaGt]

Im well aware of my own car's situation. And my friend just got an SR20 turbo for 300 dollars. So I guess that makes u both wrong. Either way, the 240 is the best "cheap" performance car out there.

your logic is terrible.

[CleanNeon98]

Im well aware of my own car's situation. And my friend just got an SR20 turbo for 300 dollars. So I guess that makes u both wrong. Either way, the 240 is the best "cheap" performance car out there.

And Goulet, if u cant find parts that cheap, then maybe ur not as clever as some people are, because that **** is out there. U just gotta know where to look.
Not saying it is, not saying it's not, but do you have any proof for that or do you just like digging your hole deeper with every post?

[89RBS13]

Im well aware of my own car's situation. And my friend just got an SR20 turbo for 300 dollars. So I guess that makes u both wrong. Either way, the 240 is the best "cheap" performance car out there.

you mean he got a used stock SR T25 for $300? that's understandable (although still overpriced). my FPR was $200. does that mean that RB swaps start at $200?

[Goddabob]

first gen miata's would have my vote for best CHEAP performance car. For autocross. I'm amost certain that has been proven.

[ndubz]

Not saying it is, not saying it's not, but do you have any proof for that or do you just like digging your hole deeper with every post?

im speaking mostly from opinion, as is everyone else here. But, most cars with performance potential in that range are FWD. the 240 is one of only afew that is RWD. Making is a better performance car than the FWD cars. And of the RWD cars, I believe that it is the best overall car. It has huge power potential via forced induction. Making it more economical than the Mustang. and it has more space than a miata (no offense alex). So as an overall streetable performance car in that price range it is the best.

[omgjacki]

i said i can't imagine you blocking poly and spraying. i didn't say a girl.

i don't know you personally, just from reading posts here on TST... maybe it was a stupid comment. i just said it because what i've read leads me to believe you're not exactly the "hands on" type. not because you're incapable or 'girly', it just that it seems you're not one to do your own work. i dunno, again it was just a stupid comment.

I'm assuming you're talking about Reese doing my engine swap. I would have loved to do it myself but I couln't. I don't have a single tool to work on my car. What was I supposed to do? I was offered help, by my boyfriend, and I accepted it.

You're right, you don't know me. Since when does the internet define someone? Don't make false judgement about someone you know absolutely nothing about.

[FazdaGt]

ndubz have you ever even owned a 240?

jacki it'll be fine, take a deeeeep breath

[ndubz]

you mean he got a used stock SR T25 for $300? that's understandable (although still overpriced). my FPR was $200. does that mean that RB swaps start at $200?

yes. And i guess i was just talking turbos. But he will be able to get the other stuff for under 300 more so u have a whole turbo kit for 600. The Dom 3 im getting is 1600, and thats only a turbo. (a big turbo though) but still. a rotated kit for my car is like 3-5 grand or so. 240s are MUCH cheaper. And that was my point

No i havent owned one but one of my good friends does. Im not saying im an expert here. So idk y everyone is acting like i did.

[omgjacki]

Besides being worked up from the Eagles gamn, I'm fine. I just don't understand how someone can make judgements about me based on my posts when he's completely wrong. If he was right it'd be different. Whatever though.

[ndubz]

Besides being worked up from the Eagles gamn, I'm fine. I just don't understand how someone can make judgements about me based on my posts when he's completely wrong. If he was right it'd be different. Whatever though.

Haha dont worry most ppl on tst are idiots LOL

And i know i will catch **** from that comment so bring it ppl :thumbup:

[FazdaGt]

I think it's the eagles disgust taking over jacki...

ndubz if you come into a post about a vehicle where the OP is asking owners of said vehicle to talk...you should at least have a clue. That'd be why your posts get annoying.

[Goddabob]

Eagles are finally warmed up, all will be alright.

[89RBS13]

jacki it'll be fine, take a deeeeep breath

nah, she had a right to be mad, i made a dumb coment.


You're right, you don't know me. Since when does the internet define someone? Don't make false judgement about someone you know absolutely nothing about.

you're right, i apologize. i'd be pissed if someone said the same to me. edited my post. :o


ndubz - if i were to buy a high end plug-n-play 35R or 42R kit for my RB25, i'd be $4-6K. a peakboost gt35r kit for hondas is $4k+. your p-n-p kit for your car is equally as high because it's the same quality of parts.

your friend is buying cheap used parts... nothing wrong with that, he found a deal. good for him. his kit doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as your kit or a real one for a 240.

[ndubz]

I think it's the eagles disgust taking over jacki...

ndubz if you come into a post about a vehicle where the OP is asking owners of said vehicle to talk...you should at least have a clue. That'd be why your posts get annoying.

Hahaha that does not change the fact that my point is correct about the 240. so unless u wish to debate me from the point that ur own car sucks, then i dont see any more reason for u do be saying anything bro.

My argument was for the 240, a car which i like alot, and a car that i do know a thing or two about, even though ive never owned one. Im not an expert, but im not ignorant either. So like i said. Either tell me all the **** u hate about ur 240 or stop talking to me. Thanx

[CleanNeon98]

Hahaha that does not change the fact that my point is correct about the 240. so unless u wish to debate me from the point that ur own car sucks, then i dont see any more reason for u do be saying anything bro.

My argument was for the 240, a car which i like alot, and a car that i do know a thing or two about, even though ive never owned one. Im not an expert, but im not ignorant either. So like i said. Either tell me all the **** u hate about ur 240 or stop talking to me. Thanx
Oh teach me!

[89RBS13]

Oh teach me!

he's trying to teach us all. lol. not working.

[ndubz]

nah, she had a right to be mad, i made a dumb coment.



you're right, i apologize. i'd be pissed if someone said the same to me. edited my post. :o


ndubz - if i were to buy a high end plug-n-play 35R or 42R kit for my RB25, i'd be $4-6K. a peakboost gt35r kit for hondas is $4k+. your p-n-p kit for your car is equally as high because it's the same quality of parts.

your friend is buying cheap used parts... nothing wrong with that, he found a deal. good for him. his kit doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as your kit or a real one for a 240.



You are right about this. but my whole point about this car was that u dont need to buy all tose really big expensive parts to make the car extremely fast. And that is the essence of why it is so good. It can be very quick with a little sr20 turbo running like 10 psi. 250whp in a 2400lb car is a pretty damn good power to weight ratio. Its deff enough to beat a stock Sti or evo, or lotus elise. And if u did spend some real money and had one with say 400whp. then ur talking about a car that could beat most ferraris under 150mph. and that is some very serious speed. Probably for under 25k. and that is my case and point about this car. BIG POTENTIAL.

And no im not trying to teach any of u anything. I just said my peice and a bunch of ppl got all worked up over it. thats all. Im just defending my self. whats really funny is that none of u disagree with me at all. u just wanna argue because my numbers were just a tad off.

[CleanNeon98]

We need a little smiley with a guy frowning and shaking his head.

[omgjacki]

Thank you, sir. Apology accepted :)

[ndubz]

We need a little smiley with a guy frowning and shaking his head.

hows this one :finga:

this whole thing has been pointless

[OutToWinPAHC]

This thread is epic cut throat. But back to top you see a lot of beat 240s because they have been around for 19 years in the US market. They dont stay shiny and new forever, nut none the less people love them. Sometimes I wonder why I didn't just get a C5 but I'm glad I have my 240.

[ndubz]

Not trying to start a fight here. What is it that all of you guys see in them? It seems like instead of civics and integras everyone is buying a 240. Most of them are falling apart, have 5 different color body panels, are slow and look like crap. After some of you guys put 10k in it sure they look and perform great, but its still an old 240. I'm just curious, is there something i'm missing?

O and Fadza. There is nothing here that says hes only looking for owners opinions. I remember back in pre school and elementary school when the nice teachers taught us how to read. ahhhhhhh.........the good old days.

[89RBS13]

O and Fadza. It says nothing here that says hes only looking for owners opinions. I remember back in pre school and elementary school when the nice teachers taught us how to read. ahhhhhhh.........the good old days.

haha you're a real dick man.

you tried to throw out an uneducated opinion and you got told you were wrong for obvious reasons. get over it.

[TurboTagTeam]

A turbo kit for my STi costs from 1100-5000 dollars. For a 240, the price for a turbo and supporting mods start around 300.

Dont confuse the price of a TURBO and a TURBO KIT.

The TURBO on my SR20 costs 2k. (HKS GT28RS)

[ndubz]

I was off on one number and not by much. LIKE I SAID, IM NOT AN EXPERT AND I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE ONE. I gave an opinion and other ppl decided to be dicks. So i was a dick back. this whole ****ing thing isnt even a debate, b/c nobody debated about the 240 and why its good or bad. I said 300 instead of 500 or 600. big ****ing deal. my point was it is still a hell of a lot cheaper to make fast than other cars. And that point is correct. u should know. u actually own one. I never claimed to be a ****ing expert, so i dont know why ppl seem to act like i did.

[CleanNeon98]

I was off on one number and not by much. LIKE I SAID, IM NOT AN EXPERT AND I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE ONE. I gave an opinion and other ppl decided to be dicks. So i was a dick back. this whole ****ing thing isnt even a debate, b/c nobody debated about the 240 and why its good or bad. I said 300 instead of 500 or 600. big ****ing deal. my point was it is still a hell of a lot cheaper to make fast than other cars. And that point is correct. u should know. u actually own one. I never claimed to be a ****ing expert, so i dont know why ppl seem to act like i did.
Is it? I think member Pearl (who doesn't post anymore) turboed his d-series civic hatchback and went something like high 13s for something rediculous like 1500 bucks. Cardriverx was making 200whp on his custom turbo kitted miata for also around the same budget I believe, may have been less.

How much does it cost to do a KA-t?

[ndubz]

Dont confuse the price of a TURBO and a TURBO KIT.

The TURBO on my SR20 costs 2k. (HKS GT28RS)

ya, i know, thats what i did at first, my bad. its cuz for my car it is that way, and im used to talking about it like that. Though id like to clarify for certain "idiots" out there that i do understand the difference b/w the turbo and the kit. Its just the way i usually talk about it, b/c for my car i can just buy a turbo. And u only need a kit if ur goin rotated for my car. Simple language error. Goulet and cleanNeon, Dont have a field day. let it be

[GOULET]

Im well aware of my own car's situation. And my friend just got an SR20 turbo for 300 dollars. So I guess that makes u both wrong. Either way, the 240 is the best "cheap" performance car out there.

And Goulet, if u cant find parts that cheap, then maybe ur not as clever as some people are, because that **** is out there. U just gotta know where to look.

HAHAHAHAHA REALLY???

Ndubz, how can I find a good deal on parts? I am so lost. Can you help me?

[ndubz]

Is it? I think member Pearl (who doesn't post anymore) turboed his d-series civic hatchback and went something like high 13s for something rediculous like 1500 bucks. Cardriverx was making 200whp on his custom turbo kitted miata for also around the same budget I believe, may have been less.

How much does it cost to do a KA-t?

My buddy will probly get his fully done and tuned for under 1000. Hes doin everything but the tune himself though. His car should make in the range of 250-270whp. So its cheaper power than that miata.

The civic is great, but like i said b4, its FWD and not a tru performance platform in my opinion.

I already made that arguement about the 240 vs other cars in its range.


And Goulet, nice sarcasim, but its all about who u know. and btw ur a little far back in this discussion.

[FazdaGt]

Sometimes I just find myself at a loss for words here.

From experience of owning seven, yes seven 240sx's over the years I'll tell you that their downfall is rust.

Finding a good, clean shell is the key....and most aren't lucky enough to get a hold of one.

It sucks to look past your left front wheel and see through the sheet metal into the engine bay, or to try to jack in front of the left rear wheel only to see your jack start to push itself through what's left of your undercarriage...

One final note. I skipped preschool, I guess I missed the reading lessons

[CleanNeon98]

My buddy will probly get his fully done and tuned for under 1000. Hes doin everything but the tune himself though. His car should make in the range of 250-270whp. So its cheaper power than that miata.

The civic is great, but like i said b4, its FWD and not a tru performance platform in my opinion.

I already made that arguement about the 240 vs other cars in its range.
I would LOVE to see that. Good luck getting a turbo, manifold, lines, bov, ic and piping, and a tune for under 1000. Not arguing that it will make more power than a miata, it has almost a whole liter of displacement more than Steve's car does, but I think your figures are WAY off.

[GOULET]

my buddy will probly get his fully done and tuned for under 1000. Hes doin everything but the tune himself though. His car should make in the range of 250-270whp. So its cheaper power than that miata.

The civic is great, but like i said b4, its fwd and not a tru performance platform in my opinion.

I already made that arguement about the 240 vs other cars in its range.


And goulet, nice sarcasim, but its all about who u know. And btw ur a little far back in this discussion.
realllyy??

[FazdaGt]

Man are you annoying.... I don't "know" anyone and I've managed to build a few decent cars.

It is not by any means about who you know but what you know, and what you can personally accomplish.

[CleanNeon98]

Someone take away ndubz' shovel, his hole is getting mighty deep.

[ndubz]

Sometimes I just find myself at a loss for words here.

From experience of owning seven, yes seven 240sx's over the years I'll tell you that their downfall is rust.

Finding a good, clean shell is the key....and most aren't lucky enough to get a hold of one.

It sucks to look past your left front wheel and see through the sheet metal into the engine bay, or to try to jack in front of the left rear wheel only to see your jack start to push itself through what's left of your undercarriage...

One final note. I skipped preschool, I guess I missed the reading lessons

I agree with the rust issue. its a problem with all types of cars in this range though. All my points are assuming the buyer had either found a good rust free 240, or had taken care of that issue. But the fact is that alot of these cars are still rusty, b/c many owners dont take the time to fix it. They go right for the performance mods.

And cleanNeon. Step back because im bringing in the heavy ****.
http://www.countrypursuits.uk.com/images/heros/360_digger.jpg

[Stillen GLE]

ndubz, no offense I would stop talking if I were you! you obviously aren't winning the battle. read up on the car a little more then bring in your Opinion. just my .02

[DC2.2GSR]

My buddy will probly get his fully done and tuned for under 1000. Hes doin everything but the tune himself though. His car should make in the range of 250-270whp. So its cheaper power than that miata.



my god dude, just stop doing this :cyberguy: because it's continuing to prove to us that you and your friend know next to nothing about nissans... that's very obvious to anyone who has actually done anything with these cars.

ka-t.org has everything you need to become educated on the subject. i suggest you or your friend check it out before predicting any more numbers.

[FazdaGt]

They know people. They don't need Ka-t.org.

Out of curiosity what manifold is he going with?

It's really crappy when your wastegate breaks off, or your welds crack because your didn't do your homework and bought a crappy manifold. I'll also feel bad for him when his brakes fail due to the manifold sitting too close to an unprotected brake master cylinder and ruining the internals of it.

[CleanNeon98]

They know people. They don't need Ka-t.org.

Out of curiosity what manifold is he going with?

It's really crappy when your wastegate breaks off, or your welds crack because your didn't do your homework and bought a crappy manifold. I'll also feel bad for him when his brakes fail due to the manifold sitting too close to an unprotected brake master cylinder and ruining the internals of it.
Cast Iron and Heatwrapped FTW :lol:

[FazdaGt]

haha now you ruined it :(

[ndubz]

Ok, w/e. I didnt make those numbers up that what ppl told my friend. hes got alot of **** done besides the turbo aswell. But i guess we'll find out this summer, when its all said and done.

Wow this discussion has gone very far off topic. this was just supposed to be a thread on why the 240 was good or bad. this whole argument now has turned into a pissing match about who is right and who is wrong, and it could therefore go on forever. Im getting outta this BS before i earn anymore infractions than i already have.

And Carlo, u dont have to put things in the nicest possible way u can, in an effort to not piss me off. I know u want to drive my car, and im not going to say yes or no based on some stupid internet convo. I dont really care about all this bull****.

[DC2.2GSR]

They know people. They don't need Ka-t.org.

Out of curiosity what manifold is he going with?

It's really crappy when your wastegate breaks off, or your welds crack because your didn't do your homework and bought a crappy manifold. I'll also feel bad for him when his brakes fail due to the manifold sitting too close to an unprotected brake master cylinder and ruining the internals of it.

yeah, i'm getting the impression that facts are not something this guy cares about... therefore no need for any research. he'll just continue to think that 250-275 hp is possible with a thousand dollars and a good tune. :rotfl:

[Stillen GLE]

Ok, w/e. I didnt make those numbers up that what ppl told my friend. hes got alot of **** done besides the turbo aswell. But i guess we'll find out this summer, when its all said and done.

Wow this discussion has gone very far off topic. this was just supposed to be a thread on why the 240 was good or bad. this whole argument now has turned into a pissing match about who is right and who is wrong, and it could therefore go on forever. Im getting outta this BS before i earn anymore infractions than i already have.

And Carlo, u dont have to put things in the nicest possible way u can, in an effort to not piss me off. I know u want to drive my car, and im not going to say yes or no based on some stupid internet convo. I dont really care about all this bull****.


I am not trying to come at you, I am trying to save from the subject you jumped into without the best of knowledge, I am not one to judge biased on an internet convo either.

[FazdaGt]

this whole argument now has turned into a pissing match about who is right and who is wrong, and it could therefore go on forever.


See, it's very simple.

I'm right. You're wrong.


yeah, i'm getting the impression that facts are not something this guy cares about... therefore no need for any research. he'll just continue to think that 250-275 hp is possible with a thousand dollars and a good tune. :rotfl:

I agree with that statement as well.

[CleanNeon98]

yeah, i'm getting the impression that facts are not something this guy cares about... therefore no need for any research. he'll just continue to think that 250-275 hp is possible with a thousand dollars and a good tune. :rotfl:
It's probbably possible on a 5.0 mustang, intake, exhaust, and bam!

[ndubz]

Im not the one with the car, remember. I drive a subaru. Everything i know about 240s comes from the ppl i know who have them. I dont need to know all this **** b/c its not my car. but u have been vey informative about the manifold i'll pass that on. even though he probly already knows it.

the question of this thread was "what do ppl see in the 240SX?" Not bash the guy with the subaru for not knowing everything there is to know about 240s. WTF did u guys think i was? an expert? i never said i was or pretended to be one. yes u all know more about 240s than me. CONGRATS.

My point was that it is better than other cars in its range in my opinion. THATS IT.

[Stillen GLE]

It's probbably possible on a 5.0 mustang, intake, exhaust, and bam!

very true, almost any american muscle car.

Mustang
GTO
Vette

The littlest mod's can give big power.

Import's not so much, although the new EVo has been proven to make power on such little modifcation, but that's not what this is about.

[CleanNeon98]

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Found it!

[ndubz]

It's probbably possible on a 5.0 mustang, intake, exhaust, and bam!

Hahahaha ya, and then the road curves and that 240 flys by. 5.0 stangs are great for the strip. (yes i know they can be good for corners) but there are better cars for handling and all around performance than a mustang. Namely a 240 and a miata.

And Fadza ur right about alot but ur an idiot for assuming that i thought i was an expert on 240s. I DRIVE A GODDAM SUBARU. i never claimed to be an expert. So in that ur not wrong, but u are this...LOL

http://members.optushome.com.au/rickclarke/retard.jpg

So congrats, u know more than me about 240s I DONT CARE. i drive an sti, not a 240. so that means jack ****.

So ur right about what ur saying about 240s. but misguided in ur greater quest to try and feel like a big man. because ur superiority is meaningless. Congrats u have won the special olympics. LMAO :thumbup:



Ok so now, id like this to be over already. So im gonna try to bring peace LOL.

Do u disagree with my overall point about the 240 in its price range when compared to tegs civics stangs and miatas, etc? answer that question and lets get back on topic. plz

[pinacup7]

Alright this is exactly what I didn't want to happen. Ndubz we all know you have the best car in the world(sti) and you know everything about 240s.

I did learn from some of you why the 240 is so appealing, but it seems like once you find one with no rust and a good body you can build a s2k or 350z and not have to go through half the problems for around the same money

[GOULET]

haha nobody likes you

[CleanNeon98]

Hahahaha ya, and then the road curves and that 240 flys by. 5.0 stangs are great for the strip. (yes i know they can be good for corners) but there are better cars for handling and all around performance than a mustang. Namely a 240 and a miata.

And Fadza ur right about alot but ur an idiot for assuming that i thought i was an expert on 240s. I DRIVE A GODDAM SUBARU. i never claimed to be an expert. So in that ur not wrong, but u are this...LOL

http://members.optushome.com.au/rickclarke/retard.jpg

So congrats, u know more than me about 240s I DONT CARE. i drive an sti, not a 240. so that means jack ****.

So ur right about what ur saying about 240s. but misguided in ur greater quest to try and feel like a big man. because ur superiority is meaningless. Congrats u have won the special olympics. LMAO :thumbup:



Ok so now, id like this to be over already. So im gonna try to bring peace LOL.

Do u disagree with my overall point about the 240 in its price range when compared to tegs civics stangs and miatas, etc? answer that question and lets get back on topic. plz
No, I think you are clueless.

And I've driven a few 240s, their handling was pretty sloppy stock IMO, so was a mustang but you do make a pretty bold argument for not knowing anything.

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[Teku18]

ok first off everyone shut the **** up about turbos. turboing any car isnt gonna be cheap no matter what. all tho on the KA with intake 200 headers 400 catback exhaust 600 will get u around 50 2 75 hp. so performance other than turbo is easily achieved.

[ndubz]

Alright this is exactly what I didn't want to happen. Ndubz we all know you have the best car in the world(sti) and you know everything about 240s.

I did learn from some of you why the 240 is so appealing, but it seems like once you find one with no rust and a good body you can build a s2k or 350z and not have to go through half the problems for around the same money

Kinda true but the price of entry is lot less. and it takes much less power for the 240 to be fas b/c of its weight. Its a completely different segment of the market. 350Zs and S2Ks are alot more expensive to buy. U can probly have a 240 that is noticably faster than either of those for the same money. Thats what it comes down to......Money

And Alex, u have ur opinions, and I have mine. Isnt America great :thumbup:

[CleanNeon98]

ok first off everyone shut the **** up about turbos. turboing any car isnt gonna be cheap no matter what. all tho on the KA with intake 200 headers 400 catback exhaust 600 will get u around 50 2 75 hp. so performance other than turbo is easily achieved.
Dude, I/H/E will not give a 240sx 50-75 horses. ****, on my FI car, I/DP/E only give 50whp or so.

Maybe there's something I'm missing though but by your numbers, a 240sx with I/H/E will have the same power level as my car, I would love to see track times for them...mid-low 15s I assume? My car with I/DP/E would be mid-low 14s, let's be realistic.

I still love ya haha

[Goddabob]

Alright this is exactly what I didn't want to happen. Ndubz we all know you have the best car in the world(sti) and you know everything about 240s.

I did learn from some of you why the 240 is so appealing, but it seems like once you find one with no rust and a good body you can build a s2k or 350z and not have to go through half the problems for around the same money

The problems part is the fun. I have come to realize I like researching and wrenching on a new project just as much as driving one. 350z and s2k are nice but I like the 240sx body lines thats why I bought one. Owe and I got mine for 2k and It needs about 5k worth of parts and paint to be worthy. Of course their is no labor charge in there cause I will be doing almost everything myself. That is the FUN of it and the PRIDE I get for myself

[ndubz]

Dude, I/H/E will not give a 240sx 50-75 horses. ****, on my FI car, I/DP/E only give 50whp or so.

Maybe there's something I'm missing though but by your numbers, a 240sx with I/H/E will have the same power level as my car, I would love to see track times for them...mid-low 15s I assume?

Um...... I think he was talking BHP. not WHP

[CleanNeon98]

Um...... I think he was talking BHP. not WHP
That's still being a tad bit optimistic I think.

[FazdaGt]

Alright this is exactly what I didn't want to happen. Ndubz we all know you have the best car in the world(sti) and you know everything about 240s.

I did learn from some of you why the 240 is so appealing, but it seems like once you find one with no rust and a good body you can build a s2k or 350z and not have to go through half the problems for around the same money

Exactly. That's what sets apart the true 240 guys from the wagon jumpers.

The guys that really love the car will spend the coin on it...My close friend is building a sick s14 right now and he always jokes about how he could've payed cash for an e46 m3 by now with all of the money he's dumped into he project. He's got no regrets though.

I've personally only used them for daily driver's over the years and i've loved them for that.

My apologies for turning bits of this into an arguing match> I just wasn't into the misinformation that was being given out.

[Goddabob]

ok first off everyone shut the **** up about turbos. turboing any car isnt gonna be cheap no matter what. all tho on the KA with intake 200 headers 400 catback exhaust 600 will get u around 50 2 75 hp. so performance other than turbo is easily achieved.

Your numbers are to high, you will not pickup that much hp on a na ka motor

[FazdaGt]

To answer the question I assume was directed to me.

I disagree completely.

p.s. i drive a corvette, not a 240. :lol:

I've got a date, I'll check in on this later.

[Stillen GLE]

I am laughing so Hard I am crying right now.

[ndubz]

O these TST pissing matches are always sooo interesting. LOL

So, pinacup7, sorry for taking it so far. But there is some good info in there for u. Its all opinion though. As ive said, i like 240s alot. but if u dont get it, then thats ur right. I dont get the whole civic scene. so we all have our issues.

Fadza, then stick to vettes. I aint got nothing to say there but good ****. The 240 is a love it or hate it thing. So we agree to disagree.

ps: tell him i said whats up :rotfl:

[pinacup7]

Exactly. That's what sets apart the true 240 guys from the wagon jumpers.

The guys that really love the car will spend the coin on it...My close friend is building a sick s14 right now and he always jokes about how he could've payed cash for an e46 m3 by now with all of the money he's dumped into he project. He's got no regrets though.

I've personally only used them for daily driver's over the years and i've loved them for that.

My apologies for turning bits of this into an arguing match> I just wasn't into the misinformation that was being given out.

I guess you guys must really love these cars then. For me I would much rather have the m3 but its all about what makes you happy. So when it comes down to it, There are the true 240 guys from the start that know every nut and bolt of the car and now the kids who think that with i/h/e/ on a stock ka are the drift king.

[Stillen GLE]

I guess we"ll have to wait and see what the New F&F brings us they always get kids to do crazy things with there cars.

[ndubz]

I guess you guys must really love these cars then. For me I would much rather have the m3 but its all about what makes you happy. So when it comes down to it, There are the true 240 guys from the start that know every nut and bolt of the car and now the kids who think that with i/h/e/ on a stock ka are the drift king.

No bro, I am the Drift King.


And i dont even drift............Its wierd how that works out. LOL



And Carlo, from the looks of it, the prices of GNXs are gonna be off the charts........ O wait they already are LOL

[pinacup7]

I guess we"ll have to wait and see what the New F&F brings us they always get kids to do crazy things with there cars.

haha that is pretty true

[pinacup7]

o yeah.. What does all this s12, s13, s14, s13.6754739 code mean?

[CleanNeon98]

o yeah.. What does all this s12, s13, s14, s13.6754739 code mean?
They are Chassis codes, like Honda has the EG,EK,EF; Miatas have the NA/NB/NC, and so on and so forth.

S12
http://www.bmsc.com.au/forums/attachments/buy-sell-rally-cars/1762-nissan-silvia-gazelle-s12-p1010062.jpg

S13
http://www.leitchmotorsports.com/CWhite/images/white11.jpg

S14 Zenki
http://www.japan-car.jp/nissan/silvia/silvia010-thumb.jpg

S14 Kouki
http://www.gtpro.com/cardirectory/employees/large/michael.jpg

S15
http://mariusmaximus.com/gallery/d/71-2/ys14--9.JPG

[ndubz]

S13
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~rdsweb/240sx/Pics/240sx800.jpg

S14
http://images.turbomagazine.com/features/0603tur_01z+1996_nissan_240sx_s14+left_front_view. jpg

S15
http://images.extremedimensions.com/ExtImages/99_s15typeufront.jpg

Its just the type of 240 as the ears progressed.
Like the Audi A4. B5, B6, B7, B8 etc
BMW 3 series. E30, E36, E46, E92
same thing

[DC2.2GSR]

chassis codes.

S13 = 89-94 240SX, Silvia*, or later model 180SX*
S14 = 95-98 240SX or Silvia*
S15 = 99-02 (i believe) Silvia*

* = Japanese model

anything with a decimal is used to describe a certain chassis with another model's front end. i.e. S13.5 = S13 with S15 front end.

edit - haha quick posts

[Teku18]

technically the hatch backs are 180sx

[DC2.2GSR]

technically the hatch backs are 180sx

wrong.

[tr4c3]

I used to own a TA and wanted a 240 before I got my TA. After owning and driving a TA and owning and driving my 240 ( though it was short). The S14 is a nice car and easily built, just as the S13 is. Honestly, you can post this thread about any car. In the domestic market you will notice a trend for younger people to have C5s and C5 Z06s because they are dirt cheap. Same with Camaros and Trans Ams. And at the end of the day if you like, you buy and you enjoy. Its your money and your life, your ride (in my opinion) represents you and your mindset. Hell I want an FC3S after i get my 240 on the road again. Not many people want those things.

Say what? They are very popular. I got my first FC when I was 15, and gave my last one away (to my brother) when I was 19. Check out rx7club. There is a much bigger following for rx7's then you think.

[CleanNeon98]

Say what? They are very popular. I got my first FC when I was 15, and gave my last one away (to my brother) when I was 19. Check out rx7club. There is a much bigger following for rx7's then you think.
I think what he meant is that the FC is always in the shadow of the FD.

[omgjacki]

Oh my.

[OutToWinPAHC]

technically the hatch backs are 180sx

I have a hatch and its not a 180sx because it is a 240sx. If I were in Japan land and it came factory with a CA18DET or SR20DET then it would be a 180SX.

180SX, Silvia blah unless you shipped it in your have a 240. It would be the same as a GTO saying its a Monaro, Or a 3000GT guy saying its a GTO. Its one of the things that ERK me.

[Teku18]

I guess you guys must really love these cars then. For me I would much rather have the m3 but its all about what makes you happy. So when it comes down to it, There are the true 240 guys from the start that know every nut and bolt of the car and now the kids who think that with i/h/e/ on a stock ka are the drift king.

when the **** did i say i was a drift king? and sorry its more like 30 hp that was my bad. i have had 3 240sx so i know a little bit then the banwagon jumpers. i will admit that i am not good with motors and **** like that thats y i got the numbers mixed up, and you say you didn't want this thread to turn into what it has, well calling people out like that is the reason most of these threads turn out the way they do.

[omgjacki]

when the **** did i say i was a drift king? and sorry its more like 30 hp that was my bad. i have had 3 240sx so i know a little bit then the banwagon jumpers. i will admit that i am not good with motors and **** like that thats y i got the numbers mixed up, and you say you didn't want this thread to turn into what it has, well calling people out like that is the reason most of these threads turn out the way they do.

I only gained 15 on a dyno tune...

[Teku18]

wrong.

not wrong on my part and not wrong on your part. i dont want to go into a fighting match like this whole thread is. :)

[Teku18]

I only gained 15 on a dyno tune...

what intake exhaust and headers did you use? cause that sounds low in my opinion. idk guess i am wrong.:-p

[tr4c3]

I only gained 15 on a dyno tune...

Will told me about that. Pretty decent numbers I think (overall). I'm hoping my engine goes well as well.

[omgjacki]

Stock header, I don't know what type of intake, and a Megan 3" exhaust with a high flow cat.

[GOULET]

when the **** did i say i was a drift king? and sorry its more like 30 hp that was my bad. i have had 3 240sx so i know a little bit then the banwagon jumpers. i will admit that i am not good with motors and **** like that thats y i got the numbers mixed up, and you say you didn't want this thread to turn into what it has, well calling people out like that is the reason most of these threads turn out the way they do.

If we dont call em out then they wont become edumacated

[Teku18]

Stock header, I don't know what type of intake, and a Megan 3" exhaust with a high flow cat.

oh well with a header you will deff get more but i guess it really isnt that much. thanks for the info.:)

[Stillen GLE]

when the **** did i say i was a drift king? and sorry its more like 30 hp that was my bad. i have had 3 240sx so i know a little bit then the banwagon jumpers. i will admit that i am not good with motors and **** like that thats y i got the numbers mixed up, and you say you didn't want this thread to turn into what it has, well calling people out like that is the reason most of these threads turn out the way they do.

you keep it up, you"ll have to move out of the country with all the drifting you do.:eek:

[ScubaSteve]

Why is everyone picking on 240's these days? I love my car and work my ass off to fix it and pay for it so what the issue?

[DC2.2GSR]

If we dont call em out then they wont become edumacated

:afro: troof.

and TekuDrifter18 - don't even start with the chassis code BS. hatchback S13's are not 180SXs by default... that was a retarded comment. read OutToWinPAHC's post again. learn something.

FYI, jacki's numbers are accurate. 15 to the wheels is a good number for light bolt ons.

i don't even own an S chassis and i'm almost offended at the lack of knowledge in this thread.

[tr4c3]

They are the front runners on the recent fads these days. Just got to let it go and not let it get to you. It's just a car and it's just opinions.

[omgjacki]

Just because it's a hatch doesn't automatically make it a 180SX. Look at the service manuals. The chassis code for an '89-'94 240SX, whether it be a coupe or a hatch, is S13. Actually, if you want to get technical, a hatch is RPS13 and a coupe is PS13.

[pinacup7]

when the **** did i say i was a drift king? and sorry its more like 30 hp that was my bad. i have had 3 240sx so i know a little bit then the banwagon jumpers. i will admit that i am not good with motors and **** like that thats y i got the numbers mixed up, and you say you didn't want this thread to turn into what it has, well calling people out like that is the reason most of these threads turn out the way they do.

I wasnt directing that towards you. I dont even know who you are

[pinacup7]

Why is everyone picking on 240's these days? I love my car and work my ass off to fix it and pay for it so what the issue?

Like I said I appreciate any car that's put together nice. I've told you before your 240 is nice. I just don't like the recent trend of all of them with an intake and exhaust trying drift and race all over the place

[tr4c3]

Like I said I appreciate any car that's put together nice. I've told you before your 240 is nice. I just don't like the recent trend of all of them with an intake and exhaust trying drift and race all over the place

The bandwagoners will eventually weed themselves out and jump to the next fad. Just a matter of time.

[ndubz]

But heres the question...........What do u all think will be the next fad? Figure that out now. Buy some cars, and make ur profit. Seriously.

[CleanNeon98]

The next fad is Miatas, specifically Mazdaspeed Miatas...buy mine now for $1056389563 to get a headstart and be cooler than your friends and all of TST.

Just stop already!

[Teku18]

you keep it up, you"ll have to move out of the country with all the drifting you do.:eek:

i know right all none of it i do. lol

[TurboTagTeam]

*I didn't really elaborate on my first responce since I had a date and was on my way out the door*

Whats so special about 240's? (At least this is why I built mine)

~~~They are a readily availible, and HIGHLY mod capable~~~

THEY ARE NOT CHEAP WHEN YOU START MODDING.... Yes, a stock 240 is cheap. But once you start buying quality parts for them....it's just as expensive as any other car. I have around 30k into my car after its all said and done. For the performance/reliability/comfort I get out of the car...It's still a pretty good deal.

[Johara2320]

who gives a f uck. some people like 240s, some dont. what the f uck does it matter? jesus christ

[Teku18]

first off no need to b a dick. i havn't been one to u no need to be one 2 me. as posted b4 i already said i didnt know much about motors and thanked jakie for proving me wrong. also i know where the car is made is what the car is called. i should have gone into more detail when i posted orgionally. i am sorry i offened you with my post.

[ndubz]

Stop what. im done ****ing around. What are u talking about.

Next fad in the lower range, bugeye imprezas. Theyre already a fad in the 7-12k range. they will continue to be one as prices drop.

And yes even though u were being sarcastic, miatas will continue to be popular. especially mazdaspeeds when the get to that price range.

And yes, while high quality mods are the same price as everything else, the price of entry is far less than other cars. And, due to the low weight, 240s dont need a whole lot to be fast. Its all about that power to weight ratio.

[TurboTagTeam]

who gives a f uck. some people like 240s, some dont. what the f uck does it matter? jesus christ

It's a car forum genius. Some people are hear to talk about cars and their likes or dislikes about them.

[FazdaGt]

wow this got somewhat ugly after i left....

I guess you guys must really love these cars then. For me I would much rather have the m3 but its all about what makes you happy. So when it comes down to it, There are the true 240 guys from the start that know every nut and bolt of the car and now the kids who think that with i/h/e/ on a stock ka are the drift king.

You summed it up completely with that statement.

[CleanNeon98]

Stop what. im done ****ing around. What are u talking about.

Next fad in the lower range, bugeye imprezas. Theyre already a fad in the 7-12k range. they will continue to be one as prices drop.

And yes even though u were being sarcastic, miatas will continue to be popular. especially mazdaspeeds when the get to that price range.

And yes, while high quality mods are the same price as everything else, the price of entry is far less than other cars. And, due to the low weight, 240s dont need a whole lot to be fast. Its all about that power to weight ratio.
WRONG!

The MSM is not really apreciated in the Miata community because it goes against what the Miata was designed to be. It's also thrashy to drive, the 6-speed is not on par with other Miata transmissions, it's not N/A, and more. True it's the best performer out of the box, but that doesn't make it a success. Oh, and to boot, it's aftermarket compared to other Miatas is incredibly tiny. It's a kickass car, but for the Miata purist, it basically doesn't even exist.

[ScubaSteve]

Like I said I appreciate any car that's put together nice. I've told you before your 240 is nice. I just don't like the recent trend of all of them with an intake and exhaust trying drift and race all over the place

I'm not trying to target you or anything. I appreciate the comments but I really don't see many 240's that are just bolt ons claiming to be something their not. I hardly see any riced out 240s or even cocky 240 owners but that may be because the only 240 owners I know are from ka-t.org, here, and zilvia

[ndubz]

WRONG!

The MSM is not really apreciated in the Miata community because it goes against what the Miata was designed to be. It's also thrashy to drive, the 6-speed is not on par with other Miata transmissions, it's not N/A, and more. True it's the best performer out of the box, but that doesn't make it a success. Oh, and to boot, it's aftermarket compared to other Miatas is incredibly tiny. It's a kickass car, but for the Miata purist, it basically doesn't even exist.

What u say is true, however, there will be those who arent miata purists, those who are "chasing the fad". They will see a light car that is turbocharged. They will be the market, the big market. Purists of any type are few and far between. most of the market is made up of those who are just looking for a fast fun car, regardless of what ppl say of it. I personally am not much of a purist. I am open to changes, if they are for the better. I like most cars that are fast for their speed alone.

[omgjacki]

LOL funny you say that. I find the owners on Zilvia to be complete assholes a lot of the times.

[Teku18]

i have noticed the same thing with 240 owners. all the ones i know are friendly and always helpful.

[FazdaGt]

i agree jacki... zilvia is rarely helpful, and full of idiots.

ndubz, you should sign up.

ka-t.org however seems very decent.

[omgjacki]

What u say is true, however, there will be those who arent miata purists, those who are "chasing the fad". They will see a light car that is turbocharged. They will be the market, the big market. Purists of any type are few and far between. most of the market is made up of those who are just looking for a fast fun car, regardless of what ppl say of it. I personally am not much of a purist. I am open to changes, if they are for the better. I like most cars that are fast for their speed alone.

Haha that would suck for the fans if the MSM became the next fad. There were only 4000 of them made. You think the "drift tax" on a 240 is high? I can't imagine what the price for something like CleanNeon's car would be if it was as in demand as the 240SX.

[CleanNeon98]

What u say is true, however, there will be those who arent miata purists, those who are "chasing the fad". They will see a light car that is turbocharged. They will be the market, the big market. Purists of any type are few and far between. most of the market is made up of those who are just looking for a fast fun car, regardless of what ppl say of it. I personally am not much of a purist. I am open to changes, if they are for the better. I like most cars that are fast for their speed alone.
And most of the fad chasers will be too concerned with the "gay" image that apparently comes with the purchase of every Miata and will go and buy something like a Genesis. Thank god!

And to what Jacki said, if there was ever any way in hell that the MSM would become as in-demand as the 240sx, I probbably wouldn't have a mortgage.

[TurboTagTeam]

Why are miatas even in the convo here?

COMPLETLY different type of car.

[The Captain]

Why are miatas even in the convo here?

COMPLETLY different type of car.

Do I even have to say it?

[ndubz]

So true, the Genesis will be big no doubt. And idk, the "gay" image really only goes so far. but i see what u mean there. However, the Genesis has a ways to go before it reaches the range we are talking about. The old celicas would be alot bigger, if only they had been RWD. If only.........

[Teku18]

And most of the fad chasers will be too concerned with the "gay" image that apparently comes with the purchase of every Miata and will go and buy something like a Genesis. Thank god!

And to what Jacki said, if there was ever any way in hell that the MSM would become as in-demand as the 240sx, I probbably wouldn't have a mortgage.

well if what she said did happen u already have urs so u could sell it and make $$$

[omgjacki]

Hence why he "wouldn't have a mortgage"...

[motorvated]

they arent in demand...

[ndubz]

exactly my point. if someone could see what the next fad would be, they could make mucho dinero. :)

And they arent in demand......YET

But one day this fad will move on, the question is, to what?

[CleanNeon98]

they arent in demand...
I covered that in post #157

[motorvated]

that wasnt to what you said..

[CleanNeon98]

In that case, all are free to resume flaming.

[Teku18]

Hence why he "wouldn't have a mortgage"...

oh thought he ment he wouldnt have one cause he bought the car instead of a house. haha sorry.

[240_fun]

I think its funny how they insult how im gonna buy "cheap parts" when im buying some of them from these ppl.
It makes me lol
and the 250-270 was if i went T28 which ive decided against
With the t25 which ive gotten for 200 bucks with oil lines and coolant lines and inlet/ outlet, im expecting about 230-250
If you dont believe I can get a turbo that cheap check zilvia, its littered with t25s
So before you say i cant get a decent "kit" for 1000 y dont you guys do your research for a few years come back and tell me what the f*** I can and cant do ehh?
Plus I already have some of the parts, so when Ndubz says 1000 thats not including the test pipe, catback, SAFC, FMIC, SR Injectors, walbro blah blah that i already have.
chill TST isnt the end of the world

[ndubz]

I think its funny how they insult how im gonna buy "cheap parts" when im buying some of them from these ppl.
It makes me lol
and the 250-270 was if i went T28 which ive decided against
With the t25 which ive gotten for 200 bucks with oil lines and coolant lines and inlet/ outlet, im expecting about 230-250
If you dont believe I can get a turbo that cheap check zilvia, its littered with t25s
So before you say i cant get a decent "kit" for 1000 y dont you guys do your research for a few years come back and tell me what the f*** I can and cant do ehh?
Plus I already have some of the parts, so when Ndubz says 1000 thats not including the test pipe, catback, SAFC, FMIC, SR Injectors, walbro blah blah that i already have.
chill TST isnt the end of the world

Actually Nick, I think it is...LOL See what i meant tho?

[CleanNeon98]

I think its funny how they insult how im gonna buy "cheap parts" when im buying some of them from these ppl.
It makes me lol
and the 250-270 was if i went T28 which ive decided against
With the t25 which ive gotten for 200 bucks with oil lines and coolant lines and inlet/ outlet, im expecting about 230-250
If you dont believe I can get a turbo that cheap check zilvia, its littered with t25s
So before you say i cant get a decent "kit" for 1000 y dont you guys do your research for a few years come back and tell me what the f*** I can and cant do ehh?
Plus I already have some of the parts, so when Ndubz says 1000 thats not including the test pipe, catback, SAFC, FMIC, SR Injectors, walbro blah blah that i already have.
chill TST isnt the end of the world
So, see, that's not a WHOLE kit for 1000, granted it can still be done cheap but not THAT cheap. You can't honestly tell me that all of the stuff you have now and everything else you need to buy will cost you 1000 when all is said and done, for half-decent parts.

[TurboTagTeam]

LOL at a SAFC tune on a aftermarket turbo kit. And LOL at a $1000 turbo kit.

[motorvated]

lol @ this thread..

[89RBS13]

I think its funny how they insult how im gonna buy "cheap parts" when im buying some of them from these ppl.
It makes me lol
and the 250-270 was if i went T28 which ive decided against
With the t25 which ive gotten for 200 bucks with oil lines and coolant lines and inlet/ outlet, im expecting about 230-250
If you dont believe I can get a turbo that cheap check zilvia, its littered with t25s
So before you say i cant get a decent "kit" for 1000 y dont you guys do your research for a few years come back and tell me what the f*** I can and cant do ehh?
Plus I already have some of the parts, so when Ndubz says 1000 thats not including the test pipe, catback, SAFC, FMIC, SR Injectors, walbro blah blah that i already have.
chill TST isnt the end of the world


oh man. it continues. lol. i'll be brief.

don't expect 250 on a stock SR turbo. get it out of your head. it won't happen. if it does, check the dyno. a T25 on a KADE is good for +/- 200. it loses efficiency above 8psi or so.

as cleanneon said, your buddy was ranting and raving about how we're all idiots for not believing him that his friend (you evidently) is spending $1000 for his whole kit + tuning.

[Rockstar]

oh man. it continues. lol. i'll be brief.

don't expect 250 on a stock SR turbo. get it out of your head. it won't happen. if it does, check the dyno. a T25 on a KADE is good for +/- 200. it loses efficiency above 8psi or so.

as cleanneon said, your buddy was ranting and raving about how we're all idiots for not believing him that his friend (you evidently) is spending $1000 for his whole kit + tuning.

10psi+dyno jet will get 230/40hp or so. Get a dyno on a mustang/dynapack dyno you'll probably pull 210 or less. My buddy is boosting his ka sr t25, budget build except for tuned ecu/gauges 1k on that alone.

350z/s2000 will be the next fad if you call it that, you can get them for around 12-15k now.(new 370z released )In about 2-4years they'll be 10k and under RWD+affordable+aftermarket already.

[CleanNeon98]

oh man. it continues. lol. i'll be brief.

don't expect 250 on a stock SR turbo. get it out of your head. it won't happen. if it does, check the dyno. a T25 on a KADE is good for +/- 200. it loses efficiency above 8psi or so.

as cleanneon said, your buddy was ranting and raving about how we're all idiots for not believing him that his friend (you evidently) is spending $1000 for his whole kit + tuning.
It probbably could happen but the turbo wouldn't like it much. I know most of the guys on the MSM board with numbers like 230, 240, 250, etc. have upgraded from the stock IHI to a Blouch turbo.

[TurboTagTeam]

A SR with the stock t25 on 14psi will make 250whp on a dynojet(with the proper supporting mods of course). I'v done it many many times.

[CleanNeon98]

A SR with the stock t25 on 14psi will make 250whp on a dynojet(with the proper supporting mods of course). I'v done it many many times.
I think he was referring to using a T25 from a stock SR20 on a KA block in a KA-t build, I would assume it wouldn't be the same but I don't know.

[89RBS13]

yeah, this is a KA-T he's talking about. more than likely he will be using not much more than his SAFC to tune with.. no high end ECU tune. over at ka-t.org there are tons of threads asking about dyno numbers while using an SR T25 on a stock KA budget build. a few people have posted claiming 230+ with the T25 and other more knowledgeable KA guys have shot down the claims and verified that they're good for around 200, staying around 7-8 lbs. supposedly the T25 on the KA loses efficiency to make any real power after about 8lbs. i dunno, all my KA-T research was directed towards a 30R and a full build. i may be wrong, but the few threads i've read have all described +/- 200hp and naturally good torque numbers with a stock KA-T using a T25.

[ndubz]

Ya i'll be interested to see what he puts out when its done. Cuz hes also running a straightpipe, fuel mods, intake, ignition, and something with the cams (nothing too heavy though). It pulls pretty well and has absolutely no issues breaking the tires loose. So it should be interesting to see. Either way, it will be noticeably faster than it is now. Even if he made like 220whp, it would still be pretty fast.

We'll have to see how things stack up Nick. :wink:

[TurboTagTeam]

220whp in a 240 is high 13's-low14's.

That's not slow but I wouldn't go as far to call it "fast".

[FazdaGt]

^what he said.

[ndubz]

Tru, but Nick aint building a dragster. Its meant for drifting and street use. And the roads by us have some very interesting bends in them. It should be great for those purposes. 220whp will be more than enough for a good shot of acceleration between corners.

Again, no offense, But i LOL at how everyone on this site is all about the drag racing. There are many more things out there yall. Drag racing is nice, but its one dimensional.

[CleanNeon98]

Tru, but Nick aint building a dragster. Its meant for drifting and street use. And the roads by us have some very interesting bends in them. It should be great for those purposes. 220whp will be more than enough for a good shot of acceleration between corners.

Again, no offense, But i LOL at how everyone on this site is all about the drag racing. There are many more things out there yall. Drag racing is nice, but its one dimensional.
I'm not about drag racing but I still think straight line performance is important. My car isn't fast but my boss drove it (mind you his other cars are a 95 carrera vert and an 03 911 turbo, and everything we have on our lot) and he said it was an awesome "pocket rocket". I don't care what my car puts down number wise, so long as I enjoy the drive.

[ndubz]

yes, and that is what is important.
And my issue with 1/4 mile is that half the race is about ur launch. Its more about the driver than about the car. Thats why i kinda see it as somewhat innacurate for determining if a car is fast or not. I love my straight line speed. And my car has it, but my 1/4 mile time is nothing special. 1/4 mile shows very little about the car itself.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Zilvia yeah they are a tough crowd. It's mostly all the So-Cal drift crews on there. Everytime I wonder into the for sale ads is So-Cal.

[Johara2320]

It's a car forum genius. Some people are hear to talk about cars and their likes or dislikes about them.
this is hardly a car forum douchebag, its more of a forum for people to trash and hate on other peoples cars. the first post was asking what people liked about 240s and it turned into people fighting over stupid **** like the threads always do.

[The Captain]

:''-(

[pinacup7]

Yea mods you can close this. I got the answers I needed, and more that I didn't need. I guess now its time to weed out the real 240 owners from the bandwagon drifter owners

[omgjacki]

this is hardly a car forum douchebag, its more of a forum for people to trash and hate on other peoples cars. the first post was asking what people liked about 240s and it turned into people fighting over stupid **** like the threads always do.

Did you forget to take your Midol or something, dude? For real... both of the posts you had in this thread were completely ridiculous like this one. There's no need for you to be calling people douchebags.

[Johara2320]

i just dont understand why people care if the 240 is the new trend or not. could it be that the younger people with 240s actually like the car? or that they have liked the car for a while but were just too young to drive it? like seriously, idk why everyone is wrapped up in who had the car before it was popular or not.

[Johara2320]

10 pages, sweet! This is a thread I can get into, what's the argument currently wrapped around? Someone catch me up to speed.
basically someone started the thread to ask why everyone likes 240s with, i believe, the best intentions, and it turned into people getting pissed off that people recently got 240s because theyre the new trend...something along those lines

[omgjacki]

i just dont understand why people care if the 240 is the new trend or not. could it be that the younger people with 240s actually like the car? or that they have liked the car for a while but were just too young to drive it? like seriously, idk why everyone is wrapped up in who had the car before it was popular or not.

It's the internet, sweetheart. Please don't let it ruin your life. Take a deep breath and hit the 'back' button =)

[pinacup7]

It's the internet, sweetheart. Please don't let it ruin your life. Take a deep breath and hit the 'back' button =)

haha that was pretty funny. Only 11:15 and I already have 19 hours for the day. They busy today? Right now I'm "re seeding" a ls600h ecu. Guy's house burnt down with all the keys in it. Now i just sit here for an hour and let the computer do its thing

[motorvated]

240=new civic :)

[omgjacki]

haha that was pretty funny. Only 11:15 and I already have 19 hours for the day. They busy today?

That's awesome. I'm off today so I don't know what's going on but it's been rather slow.

[pinacup7]

That's awesome. I'm off today so I don't know what's going on but it's been rather slow.

damn that sucks. Im sure dave and dan are taken care off. You guys got some goons working there now hah

[Johara2320]

It's the internet, sweetheart. Please don't let it ruin your life. Take a deep breath and hit the 'back' button =)this was directed to everyone right? because everyone on the site is the same way about stuff.

[TurboTagTeam]

this is hardly a car forum douchebag, its more of a forum for people to trash and hate on other peoples cars. the first post was asking what people liked about 240s and it turned into people fighting over stupid **** like the threads always do.

Then why are you here? Go the **** away if you dont like it. No one is forcing you to be here.

And by the look of your avatar....your the douchebag :thumbup: L O L

It's a discussion about 240's. Some people like them, some people do not. Don't get all butt hurt about it.

[Johara2320]

Its good that my avatar is now going to be the focus of this forum. And i understand its a discussion about 240s thats fine, but what i dont understand is why it always turns into " everyone who has a 240 that isnt the original owner is a poser and is following the trend and wants to be a pro drifter " its just bull**** that it always has to turn into that and you cant ask a simple question. And i know that im not being forced to be here but im gonna stay here because SOME of the people on here are actually cool and sometimes you can actually read a thread without it being negative **** about someones car.

[drifty240]

the statement the " 240 is the new civic" bugs me just about as much as someone drivng a civic asking " do you drift" ....
:finga:

just trying to lighten things up....:-p

[Johara2320]

lol word on tryna lighten things up, thats what it should be about.

[drifty240]

lol word on tryna lighten things up, thats what it should be about.

If you really beleive that change your sig... :roll:

[Johara2320]

dude i wish i could but theres to many...well see how im feelin in a couple days lol.

[natethegreatt]

is it really that bad that there's a trend?
theyre not bad cars, they have good heritage.
and 240 being the new civic? are you serious?
i can still find a lot of people that dont know what one is, unlike a civic

to answer the original, first post and skip all the bitching
i like them cuz i worked on a couple with my friend, they were easy to learn on
and they're really easy to work on, who the hell wants to spend hours doing something simple?

[Johara2320]

i dont think its bad that people like them i just dont get why people assume since younger people are gettin them theyre just posers and stuff like that

[natethegreatt]

who cares?
besides i've seen plenty middle aged people driving them

[Johara2320]

who cares about a younger crowd drivin em?

[ndubz]

I really hope that when u say 240s are the new civic. U meant as a trend. Because as a car it's 1000 times better than that little fwd rat. Civics are econo boxes. 240s were actually marketed as a sports car. The two don't even compare.

[motorvated]

they are "the new civic" in the way that they are the new fad. For a while...the civic was THE ****. 90% of civics are beat to ****, riced out with multi colors/ugly bodykits and they are driven by people who think they are untouchable. There is that 10% that are REALLY well moded, well driven and the owners are knowledgeable and cool as hell. To me..the same goes for 240 owners. LUCKILY TST has mostly the 10% owners/cars who know about the 240, mod it tastefully and are generally informed about the car. I think people get a bad view on the 240 from seeing them daily...not from seeing them on TST. The reason its the new fad...is because its a great car to build on. rwd,manual, easy/cheap to make a good amount of power and the list goes on. They are great cars...it just depends on the owner. But the same goes with any car. 240s are just more available, so that makes it more noticeable.

[tr4c3]

Holy **** someone close this thread already. It's just opinions on the internet. We are not here to hold hands and ****, it's just a general car forum. Why does it always have to turn into a pissing match/dick measuring contest (no homo). It is just a damn car...

And yes to above poster, they are just a fad and tend to be readily availible. It'll come and go, and move on to the next car to hit the spotlight.

[auk113]

Not trying to start a fight here. What is it that all of you guys see in them? It seems like instead of civics and integras everyone is buying a 240. Most of them are falling apart, have 5 different color body panels, are slow and look like crap. After some of you guys put 10k in it sure they look and perform great, but its still an old 240. I'm just curious, is there something i'm missing?

drive one. you'll see what all the this is about.

[bl@ckvr4]

Because everyone wants to ToKyO Dr!fT!!!!!!!

[OutToWinPAHC]

Its amazing how the Japanese commercials are always written in English with English vocal music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCStasB-KU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq3bDo5CxXs

[OBEEWON]

I am here to perpetuate the stereotype. 240's are gay, ugly, slow, cheap, etc... So if you don't have one don't buy one. If you have one sell it.

Maybe then the people that really enjoy the car can be left in peace. At least the Zenki is the least desired S chasis next to the S12.


Ask GSX 61, they are usually pieces of trash with nice wheels.

[jspek]

s13s look like ford probes. and thats gay.

[jdmwill]

ughhhhhhhhh,,,,,, you guyz make me wanna vomit 4seriouslly . as a 240 owner i could honestly say it made my D*** 3 full inches bigger.


HATERZ... your serious bro. nobody in there wright mind should be hating on a $200. rust bucket that does mad drifty things.

its just a great platform car that has a ton of aftermarket support. i cant wait to have a meet and greet with a k rail. so there could be one less rustless coupe out there.

dude i wish i could but theres to many...well see how im feelin in a couple days lol.
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NISMO

F UCK all the haters on here

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
now fix this cuz your making yourself sound like my, wankster azz 12 year old nephew son.

[jdmwill]

s13s look like ford probes. and thats gay.


x2 but uber gay.. that makes me ru paul yo.

[OutToWinPAHC]

I think the ford probe is the go to thing, I've hear that about MKIIIs too.

[FazdaGt]

s13s look like ford probes. and thats gay.

that hurts chaz, that hurts. :(

[iloveturbolag]

its 50/50 weight distribution and 50% of the weight of your gto.

[CleanNeon98]

its 50/50 weight distribution and 50% of the weight of your gto.
So a GTO weighs over 5000lbs? Try again.

[TurboTagTeam]

Either way 240's are extreamly light cars. Mine is 2650 with me in it and a 1/2 tank of gas.

That weight with 400whp= Fun Times

[OutToWinPAHC]

3725lbs in LS2 Trim compared to 2699lbs S13 base and 2763lbs S14 base. We can say roughly 1000 pounds heavier. But out of the box the GTO has 245 to 260 more ponies so they win power to weight stock.

[pinacup7]

Since when did this become a 240 vs GTO debate?

[TurboTagTeam]

I think its turned into a 240 v everything debate.

[CleanNeon98]

Since when did this become a 240 vs GTO debate?

Right about here.

its 50/50 weight distribution and 50% of the weight of your gto.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Numbers were put out there so I just wanted to post factual numbers. There is no debate, they are different monsters.

[pinacup7]

Right about here.

haha its all good. He's just hatin

[93TalonEs-T]

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll196/dsm4g63t07/800px-Red_240SX_II.jpg

[OBEEWON]

I lub GTO...

240 is not 50/50 distribution please dont spread false...close but no cigar...

[240_fun]

yeh the t25 on a ka, 12psi, 175 comp. on all four, no emissions, 3in test, 3in catback (straight), full supporting mods, walbro, fpr, full ign., blah blah hoping for 230-250
doesnt seem unreasonable, and yes that would be on a dynojet, not a mustang dyno. Tune would be done with a SAFC. For a gutted 240 weighing about 2450lbs or so itd say itd be kinda quick. def not fast but enough to get me into plenty of trouble. Which is why im trying to decide against the t28 because i dont want to jump that much power because i know i would abuse it and do stupid things without getting used to the car and allowing my skill level to rise to the cars level of power. Im trying to be responsible

[cyron]

I saw a drifting show on discovery and decided I had to have one...
I was kind of annoyed to find out it was RWD so I don't drive it... It scares me. ;-)

Kidding aside it is what it is.

[GOULET]

you can get in just as much trouble with a t28 as you can with a t25. you can always turn the boost down if its too much

[Johara2320]

ughhhhhhhhh,,,,,, you guyz make me wanna vomit 4seriouslly . as a 240 owner i could honestly say it made my D*** 3 full inches bigger.


HATERZ... your serious bro. nobody in there wright mind should be hating on a $200. rust bucket that does mad drifty things.

its just a great platform car that has a ton of aftermarket support. i cant wait to have a meet and greet with a k rail. so there could be one less rustless coupe out there.

dude i wish i could but theres to many...well see how im feelin in a couple days lol.
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NISMO

F UCK all the haters on here

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
now fix this cuz your making yourself sound like my, wankster azz 12 year old nephew son.il get right on that. or wait, it should sound more like this, "il get rite on that shiz cuz!", right? really knock it off

[jdmwill]

il get right on that. or wait, it should sound more like this, "il get rite on that shiz cuz!", right? really knock it off

hey wanksta, i wrote it exactly how you sound to me and everybody else.:wink:

[OBEEWON]

Whut up Waaangstaa!! You go to the dealership but you neva cop nutten...

[jdmwill]

Whut up Waaangstaa!! You go to the dealership but you neva cop nutten...

lol........what up obeeeee

[OBEEWON]

My brother from another muther. Nutten broski. How is life? 240's sure are gay huh? Someone just farted in my office and it smells horrid!!

[jdmwill]

My brother from another muther. Nutten broski. How is life? 240's sure are gay huh? Someone just farted in my office and it smells horrid!!

yeah cubicles are the next form of quemical warfare.

"you sunk my battle shi*"

-harold and kumar gtwc

[I<3myS14]

Wow what a waste of bandwidth....including this post.

Aftermarket is prime for the 240 now but wasn't prime until about 2003 when parts became more readily available. You should see some of the OGs cars pre 2003 they looked like **** and didn't have all those gangsta parts like they do now. There is no doubt drifting made any S car a wanted item and the fact that you can replace a chassis for around 2 grand you can't go wrong...if you are drifting that is. So dump 10k into a 2 grand car, crash it, total it, and then move all your 10k of parts to another 2 grand car...you can't beat that.

So I'd have to say, the fact you can buy a cheap chassis, dump 10-15k into it to put enough power down to spin the wheels and have a power to weight ratio that could potentially throw off $60,000 dollar M3 at a quarter of the price. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

That's all I have to say about this...full disclosure, I own an S14.

[jdmwill]

wow this thread has become as worthless as super-hicas on a automatic 240sx se....

uuuuuuuuooooooooooh yeah i went there.

[jdmwill]

Wow what a waste of bandwidth....including this post.

Aftermarket is prime for the 240 now but wasn't prime until about 2003 when parts became more readily available. You should see some of the OGs cars pre 2003 they looked like **** and didn't have all those gangsta parts like they do now. There is no doubt drifting made any S car a wanted item and the fact that you can replace a chassis for around 2 grand you can't go wrong...if you are drifting that is. So dump 10k into a 2 grand car, crash it, total it, and then move all your 10k of parts to another 2 grand car...you can't beat that.

So I'd have to say, the fact you can buy a cheap chassis, dump 10-15k into it to put enough power down to spin the wheels and have a power to weight ratio that could potentially throw off $60,000 dollar M3 at a quarter of the price. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

That's all I have to say about this...full disclosure, I own an S14.

great and to the point bro. you nailed that one on the head.

i retract my previous statement thanx to your post sir. kudos

[the mike]

Take a cheap car with an huge aftermarket base and Japanese parts "rarity" and you have the recipe for a youth tuner "trend". Give it a few years and EVO's will be affordable enough to be the trend.
If you seriously have a problem with the 240 being compared to the Civic, you need to re-evaluate your role in the scene. There is a huge difference between not liking a particular car and hating it. If you like cars you should never really hate any car.

*that being said, some owners of particular cars are bags of douche. There is a sense of entitlement or superiority inherently in some cars. :shrugs: