Nissan 240

[Goddabob]

*that being said, some owners of particular cars are bags of douche. There is a sense of entitlement or superiority inherently in some cars. :shrugs:

If people really want a sense of superiority they need to break their piggy banks and buy an exotic like a Ferrari. 240sx are cheap cars nowadays your going to have idiots buying them, throwing and intake on and thinking they are the shiat. Then you have the few that drop the coin on the car and make it better than the new sports cars you can drive.

[pinacup7]

Wow what a waste of bandwidth....including this post.

Aftermarket is prime for the 240 now but wasn't prime until about 2003 when parts became more readily available. You should see some of the OGs cars pre 2003 they looked like **** and didn't have all those gangsta parts like they do now. There is no doubt drifting made any S car a wanted item and the fact that you can replace a chassis for around 2 grand you can't go wrong...if you are drifting that is. So dump 10k into a 2 grand car, crash it, total it, and then move all your 10k of parts to another 2 grand car...you can't beat that.

So I'd have to say, the fact you can buy a cheap chassis, dump 10-15k into it to put enough power down to spin the wheels and have a power to weight ratio that could potentially throw off $60,000 dollar M3 at a quarter of the price. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

That's all I have to say about this...full disclosure, I own an S14.

Yea that was the kind of answer I was looking for. "So dump 10k into a 2 grand car, crash it, total it, and then move all your 10k of parts to another 2 grand car...you can't beat that." Yea that would be pretty cool. Maybe i'll go buy a 240...





jk

[OBEEWON]

Yea that was the kind of answer I was looking for. "So dump 10k into a 2 grand car, crash it, total it, and then move all your 10k of parts to another 2 grand car...you can't beat that." Yea that would be pretty cool. Maybe i'll go buy a 240...





jk


You make me want to buy a GTO gut it and put an SR in it. Better yet a NA KA with ITB's...

on second thought a CA18.

[tr4c3]

This threads still rollin' haha.

[pinacup7]

You make me want to buy a GTO gut it and put an SR in it. Better yet a NA KA with ITB's...

on second thought a CA18.

Yea the one issue with the GTO is the weight, they are pigs. They do still roll out pretty good tho. Im running a 12.4 at 114 right now with intake/exhaust and tune. My 427 fully forged shortblock should be here within the next two weeks and I'm going to start building that. Going with two 67mm snails as well and with area1320's help maybe a custom manifold/piping that i've been thinking. Won't be done for at least two years tho. Gotta get my master cert at lexus and get my free car, than the transplant begins.
Here's a little video of my car is it sits now: http://vimeo.com/2075975

[Johara2320]

who cares about your quarter time?

[Johara2320]

jk lol

[CleanNeon98]

Nobody cares, just like nobody cares about the 240. haha jk

[ndubz]

Just look at this thread. 260+ posts. that shows that at least the car isnt dull. people have definite opinions on it good or bad. and theres alot of passion for it. If this thread had been titled toyota camry, it would probly have less replies than i have fingers. So that is enough of a testament to the car itself. 4 Real.

[pinacup7]

who cares about your quarter time?

hahaha is that you in your avatar?

[Johara2320]

yes it is and if your gonna make fun of me or sometin i wanna make 2 things clear lol. 1. that last post of mine was a joke and i actually think drag racing is pretty cool and would be **** tons of fun to do and 2. i was in a murcielago and was somewhat shocked that i was ACTUALLY in a murcielago lol

[Tyler]

hahaha is that you in your avatar?

i actually laughed when i read that

[pinkarrowsnow]

agreed with everyone half of the 240s out their are **** buckets but there are some nice ones. My fully built ka-t will rip your gto a new asshole. Its a cheap way to go fast not in comfort but mine has 37k miles on it and its a 91 prestine in 240 land. Its fun to build a car and learn everything. And not every 240 owner loves drifting haha. I am not a huge fan of it.

[CleanNeon98]

agreed with everyone half of the 240s out their are **** buckets but there are some nice ones. My fully built ka-t will rip your gto a new asshole. Its a cheap way to go fast not in comfort but mine has 37k miles on it and its a 91 prestine in 240 land. Its fun to build a car and learn everything. And not every 240 owner loves drifting haha. I am not a huge fan of it.
Really? I have a hard time believing that.
God dammit why will no one argue with me?!?!

240s are slow ****ing rust buckets that wish they were civics
Miatas are for the birds
Anything with a V8 is pussy **** who are afraid to build a car.

Go.
The birds? Who are the birds?

[pinkarrowsnow]

Really? I have a hard time believing that.

The birds? Who are the birds?


Really how lets see we can do a simple math equation for instance a 400hp 240 weighing in at 2700 pounds a a gto with 30-40 more hp weighing about 1000 pounds more. But what do I know i dont drive a Miata with a intercooler smaller then a oil cooler. :wink:

[CleanNeon98]

Really how lets see we can do a simple math equation for instance a 400hp 240 weighing in at 2700 pounds a a gto with 30-40 more hp weighing about 1000 pounds more. But what do I know i dont drive a Miata with a intercooler smaller then a oil cooler. :wink:
Yea, also factor in the fact the GTO can launch off the line way harder, and generally has a TON more grip than your car, so while you are still spinning tires, the goat will be buses ahead.

Oh, and does your car have 400hp? Did you dyno it?

[pinkarrowsnow]

Yea, also factor in the fact the GTO can launch off the line way harder, and generally has a TON more grip than your car, so while you are still spinning tires, the goat will be buses ahead.


How can the gto launch harder? have you heard of 2 step and drag radials. There is also a thing called top end haha. Granted it does have more grip but 240s can too with the proper setup.

[pinkarrowsnow]

and yeah its right around there its winter time workin on a few things right now 4in exhaust some other stuff so when the weather turns it will get dynoed and ill post my sheet up.

[CleanNeon98]

How can the gto launch harder? have you heard of 2 step and drag radials. There is also a thing called top end haha. Granted it does have more grip but 240s can too with the proper setup.
Do you have drag radials? Do you have 2-step? Does your 240 have more grip with it's current setup?

[pinkarrowsnow]

Do you have drag radials? Do you have 2-step? Does your 240 have more grip with it's current setup?

Yes i have drag radials on the way for the upcoming season and yes i do have 2 step and no i have zero grip with my stock winter wheels on it now it was spinning 4th gear yesterday :) I agree they suck for draging especially with stiff suspension in the back when I first finished building it late october took it for a few passes on 9psi and it would spin through second. So without a proper tire haha it would run a 14 at 103 which is low 13's high 12's trap speeds with a perfect launch and that was only on 9psi.

[CleanNeon98]

Yes i have drag radials on the way for the upcoming season and yes i do have 2 step and no i have zero grip with my stock winter wheels on it now it was spinning 4th gear yesterday :) I agree they suck for draging especially with stiff suspension in the back when I first finished building it late october took it for a few passes on 9psi and it would spin through second. So without a proper tire haha it would run a 14 at 103 which is low 13's high 12's trap speeds with a perfect launch and that was only on 9psi.

agreed with everyone half of the 240s out their are **** buckets but there are some nice ones. My fully built ka-t will rip your gto a new asshole. Its a cheap way to go fast not in comfort but mine has 37k miles on it and its a 91 prestine in 240 land. Its fun to build a car and learn everything. And not every 240 owner loves drifting haha. I am not a huge fan of it.
So that claim isn't true...oh and by the way, I was spinning 3rd gear yesterday, so I guess my tiny intercooler isn't that much of a restrictor :wink:

All I'm saying is don't make claims you can't back.

[pinkarrowsnow]

spinning sure maybe possibly chirping.

[OBEEWON]

What is this noise about more grip? Cars don't have grip, tires do. I was spinning 5th on Monday so both of you lose.

[motorvated]

LOLZ at this thread.

[CleanNeon98]

spinning sure maybe possibly chirping.
No, I mean spinning entire 3rd...

[OutToWinPAHC]

Launching a manual trans turbo motor is a process. Gotta make the boost and build the torque, where an equal power NA motor will have much more torque and low end power of the start. As for top end the final drive of the GTO with its 2 gear overdrive (5th and 6th) and diff ratio has a top speed advantage, However the inline has more RPM room before red line. Its something I would like to see.

The 240 final drive 5th gear 0.752:1, Diff stock 240 4.09
The M12 GTO 6th gear 0.50:1 (or 0.56:1), diff 1:3.46

[motorvated]

CN..u were out doing burnouts in a car that you crashed, and has a jacked up alignment? thats smart

[pinkarrowsnow]

No, I mean spinning entire 3rd...

Im am impressed bravo! maybe because you have a 6 speed so your 3rd is equivelant to second on most 5 speeds.

[motorvated]

I dont know..ide LOVE to see Cleanneons miata spin tires through 3rd. Not on salty roads. CN come out tuesday night. Lets see it. Make me a believer.

[Ender81]

I've had two 240's an 89 xe coupe and a 95. I don't understand the appeal of the 95 besides the look because I didn't enjoy it. However my 89 was completely stock and an absolute blast to drive. I bought mine back in 02 for 800 and sold it not long after for 1500 at the begining of the fad that is still upon us (I would still have it if I had known it would be hard for me to get another one). The car is something you have to drive and take around a turn to appreciate. The handling is impressive and yes you can list a dozen cars that handle just as well but not many for as cheap and with so many available parts. When push comes to shove it is a car with an undeniable amount of potential and like any car like that (evo, wrx, neon, civic etc...) a large percentage of the people that buy them will do nothing with them or just buy them for what they are capable of as opposed to what they will do with it. But that shouldn't detract from the car as a whole. Not many Ferarri owners take theirs to the track it doesn't change that it is a capable car AT the track.

You will always find a car that is popular that others love that you just don't get. You can also find a car that others don't like, you don't like but someone has a passion for. As an example you enjoy your GTO, I have hated it since it was the Monaro and not offered in the us (for me the GTO died in the early 70's check the cars you hate thread if you wish to comment on that lol). However that doesn't make me question why you would buy that car in particular, hp and cheap, that's no different then the 240 really.

[motorvated]

pinkarrowsnow what were the conditions when you spun 4th?

[Ender81]

Back on topic from this post on, Clean can start a whole other thread about his ability to spin the tires in third and you may all head there to discuss it.

[pinkarrowsnow]

I dont know..ide LOVE to see Cleanneons miata spin tires through 3rd. Not on salty roads. CN come out tuesday night. Lets see it. Make me a believer.


hahaha i know maybe when snows on the ground it will but come on he has a intake thats like 60+hp and yeah i just read he crashed it a few days ago so i smell some BS. It was just a normal road haha straight 3rd was sideways hit 4th kept spinning haha sorry mods im done posted this at like the same time as you.

[pinacup7]

o yea well I can spin through 6th gear in my car and 8th gear in a isf. I win

[DriftNasty180sx]

THE THREAD NEED TO END!!! ENOUGH ALREADY...THIS IS THE SH*T THAT MAKES TST GAY. I could sit here and rip on people left and right but it gets boring... If you like a 240sx cool and if you don't thats cool too. DONE.

I beat a GTO before in my 240sx before BIG deal...he was stock i wasn't.

[SovXietday]

Alex, buddy, pal, I really don't think your Miata is going to spin 3rd from a roll.

[TurboTagTeam]

Do you have drag radials? Do you have 2-step? Does your 240 have more grip with it's current setup?

Nope, Yep, 275/35/18 Toyo T1-R's.

I'll beat a GTO :thumbup:

[ndubz]

God dammit why will no one argue with me?!?!

240s are slow ****ing rust buckets that wish they were civics
Miatas are for the birds
Anything with a V8 is pussy **** who are afraid to build a car.

Go.

I will argue with u. :thumbup:

240s are fast if u know what ur doing, so if urs is slow than u must not know much. U wish they were civics? well then I guess that tells us that u like looking at pics of dudes in ur alone time while listening to The Village People's greatest hits. Miatas are fore the birds? sort of. I like them, but they are sort of girls cars, it really depends on the color though.

And let me tell u wut boy, dont u ever talk bad bout no 'merican V8s ever again or me and Jud are gonna have to have us a fag drag down here with the truck. We dont like ya'll ricers down here boy. so why dont u go over to china where they speak all that Jibber Jabber stuff, and race ur little rice burners over there.

So argue that there bro. UUUUUUHHHHHHHH WAAAAAAATTTTT.

LOL...................Im JKing for those of u who are still looking for the corner in ur circular padded room. :)

[OBEEWON]

LOL...................Im JKing for those of u who are still looking for the corner in ur circular padded room. :)

Lol, you can't be in the corner in a circular room...

[omgjacki]

Haha that's the joke, Obee.

[Whitesupra94]

LOL...................Im JKing for those of u who are still looking for the corner in ur circular padded room. :)

Lol, you can't be in the corner in a circular room...


The bold part means he's speaking to crazy people who are not smart enough to realize a circular room does not have corners.

This is not you...congratulations!

However, you still missed the joke...so maybe this is you :-p

[OBEEWON]

Ha. My joke was pointing out the obv. But I guess it loses its effect if you don't know me or my humor. That's why I typed lol first. :)

240's suck and Eagles win the superbowl...

[omgjacki]

That's the spirit!

[OutToWinPAHC]

Eagles lol. You can have a girl and you can have the eagles. At some point she will stop effing you, but the eagles with always eff you. (Origionaly said about the Jets but it applies)

[MikeK]

My 240 feels like a go-kart... it's incredible

[devildog214]

The 240 is the perfect blank canvas, cheap, light, rwd, IRS, you can do anything with it. You may think they're everywhere but they are all VERY different, visually and internally. Put an inline 4 in it, or a v6, or a straight 6, or a V8. And the people driving around in a rough looking one, who cares? It will always have potential. Its the 57 chevy of its time really...

[JDMTyler3326]

WTF ! Why would you bring this thread back.

[MikeK]

Did I do something wrong??

[jdmwill]

Did I do something wrong??

nah... it just make peoples panties all wet when they hear about 240's

[jdmwill]

WTF ! Why would you bring this thread back.

because he's awesome, and its his freedom as a american.

[Whitekryptonit3]

WTF ! Why would you bring this thread back.

Having rubber on your Van's doesn't constitute you being a "car" enthusiast.

Where as. He does actually own a car, and fits the thread.

because he's awesome, and its his freedom as a american.

[supraghost]

Having rubber on your Van's doesn't constitute you being a "car" enthusiast.

Where as he does actually own a car and fits the thread.

haha pwned

[MikeK]

because he's awesome, and its his freedom as a american.

I like you

[JST2KWIK]

I love 240's. They handle great and are rwd, which means they actually have spirited driving/fun in mind. Also, cars do not have to be super powerful to be fun. A lot of 240's are ugly, but so are a lot of hookers and they both get lovin' so get over it

<3
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs332.snc3/29221_1294290397958_1251247034_30621253_3830802_n. jpg

[evomike]

I hate 240's

[MikeK]

Because...

[evomike]

They're rusty hunks of junk.

[MikeK]

really? every single one of them?

[evomike]

Every single one actually i hate the whole "drift" stigma thing, every Tom dick and Harry is the next drifter when they get a 240.

[jdmwill]

Every single one actually i hate the whole "drift" stigma thing, every Tom dick and Harry is the next drifter when they get a 240.

:lol: :wink:

[the mike]

They don't ALL drift.
http://site.240sxmotoring.com/images/racecar/2008scheme/racecar002.jpg

[mx931]

yo clean neon can spin in 4th in his new 97 civic

[ndubz]

Theyre like civics and integras, only rwd so they have actual real performance potential when modded, unlike the others that will always torquesteer up their ass.

Also for drifting theyre ideal because WHEN u crash them, theyre cheap to replace, fix, work on, insure, etc

they also have alotta easy potential, just within Nissan u have many good motors (sR20, VQ35, RB skyline motors, etc) as well as all the other motors u can swap in from other companies.

The car is just a good blank slate to work with

[OutToWinPAHC]

Every single one actually i hate the whole "drift" stigma thing, every Tom dick and Harry is the next drifter when they get a 240.

Agreed, I dont drift... and I never plan to. And my 240 is 19 years old and not rusty at all. It was just a good chassis to build a fun car out of. On the same note I look at evo's and say meh he must think he's a rally car driver.

[renn]

i like my civic vs. a 240 but i can see why people like them so much. both civic's and 240's aren't the car to have if you're trying to be unique though. same goes for golfs and jettas.

haters gonna hate but at the end of the day dollar for dollar modified civics and 240's will beat on domestics for less money.

[itwillboost]

[QUOTE=JST2KWIK;1844597]I love 240's. They handle great and are rwd, which means they actually have spirited driving/fun in mind. Also, cars do not have to be super powerful to be fun. A lot of 240's are ugly, but so are a lot of hookers and they both get lovin' so get over it


:bigeek::rotfl:
Dude I feel like a lot of nissans are like that. I take people out in my altima and they always love it. Granted I am not stock but still nissans all seem like fun cars, and the 240 is just amazing.

[jspek]

240s are the biggest **** cars ever. i really dont get it. then you get these people who put rims on it where they poke out and have stretched tires. like these guys
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8651/dsc1341s8005795.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6711/dsc010265735244.jpg

i dont get it.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

I dont get what people see in them either. I like the hatchback ones but when it comes down to it they are basicley what you got when you couldent afford the 300ZX and dident want a 200SX. There somewhat sporty and i hear there a lot of fun but drifting i assume can get expensive when it comes to tires and whear and tear on the car. And on top of that everyone thinks they can do it, So the go out buy a 240SX and find out after they have wrapped it around a street light that they suck at it. It does seem liek they have taken the place of civics and integras on the road. Dont get me wrong I love RWD but i think 240's are way beyond played out. On top of all this the AE86 is better anyways and still uncommen do to a lot of them have rusted out.

Also not to mention i hear thoes SR20 and RB motors do not pass Any of the US emmission regulations and are "ment" for off road use only. Let a cop pull one of these guys over who knows his inspection laws and knows cars. See how fast the car ends up in an impound yard with no way of getting it back. (assuming what i hear about them is true.)

[evomike]

Why is a corolla better explain that to me.

[MikeK]

I dont get what people see in them either. I like the hatchback ones but when it comes down to it they are basicley what you got when you couldent afford the 300ZX and dident want a 200SX. There somewhat sporty and i hear there a lot of fun but drifting i assume can get expensive when it comes to tires and whear and tear on the car. And on top of that everyone thinks they can do it, So the go out buy a 240SX and find out after they have wrapped it around a street light that they suck at it. It does seem liek they have taken the place of civics and integras on the road. Dont get me wrong I love RWD but i think 240's are way beyond played out. On top of all this the AE86 is better anyways and still uncommen do to a lot of them have rusted out.

Also not to mention i hear thoes SR20 and RB motors do not pass Any of the US emmission regulations and are "ment" for off road use only. Let a cop pull one of these guys over who knows his inspection laws and knows cars. See how fast the car ends up in an impound yard with no way of getting it back. (assuming what i hear about them is true.)

My SR does spit out black smoke whenever I shift...

[i_ride_fieroGT]

Why is a corolla better explain that to me.

Used to drive my buddys AE86 all the time when he was to drunk to drive it home. i even used it as my own DD for a few weeks at one point while my old firebird was out of commission. I wanted to buy the thing off him but he refused to sell it. There quick lightweight and can be tossed around with some of the best handeling i have ever had in a RWD car ( in my dumer days in dark parking lots)
I have drivin a few 240's and they just dont feel as tamed as the AE86 when gettin stupid with it.

Personaly if the AE86 was more plentyful and could be had at the prices the 240SX is at right now i think the AE86 would have easley taken the 240SX's place today

[i_ride_fieroGT]

My SR does spit out black smoke whenever I shift...

Lol so do a lot of other people's who I know.

[evomike]

The s chasis is a better chasis than the corolla chasis, And you must have not driven many cars if you considder a corolla the beat handling rwd car you've ever driven.

[renn]

Used to drive my buddys AE86 all the time when he was to drunk to drive it home. i even used it as my own DD for a few weeks at one point while my old firebird was out of commission. I wanted to buy the thing off him but he refused to sell it. There quick lightweight and can be tossed around with some of the best handeling i have ever had in a RWD car ( in my dumer days in dark parking lots)
I have drivin a few 240's and they just dont feel as tamed as the AE86 when gettin stupid with it.

Personaly if the AE86 was more plentyful and could be had at the prices the 240SX is at right now i think the AE86 would have easley taken the 240SX's place today

anything is quick lightweight and tossable compared to a fiero...

[i_ride_fieroGT]

The s chasis is a better chasis than the corolla chasis, And you must have not driven many cars if you considder a corolla the beat handling rwd car you've ever driven.

Trust me i have drivin some nasty RWD cars including exotics (wasent allowed to do anything dumb with them) I still think the AE86 is the better preformer. But than again i like to do things diffrentley than everyone else. Lol hell look at what i drive:mrgreen:

[evomike]

The wheelbase is to short and to narrow because it feels scary doesn't mean it's
Fast or good.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

anything is quick lightweight and tossable compared to a fiero...

:roll: Now did i bring anything "fiero" into this. For one you cant drift a fiero because of oil/lubracaton issues unless you weld baffels into the oil pan. and 2. I'm willing to be a fiero is lighter than the 240SX if not very close in weight.


Lets at least try to use that little thing ratteling inside your head before making a fiero wise crack:roll:

[i_ride_fieroGT]

The wheelbase is to short and to narrow because it feels scary doesn't mean it's
Fast or good.

Either way anything can be made fast and good. all depends on how deep your pockets go.

[itwillboost]

I dont get what people see in them either. I like the hatchback ones but when it comes down to it they are basicley what you got when you couldent afford the 300ZX and dident want a 200SX. There somewhat sporty and i hear there a lot of fun but drifting i assume can get expensive when it comes to tires and whear and tear on the car. And on top of that everyone thinks they can do it, So the go out buy a 240SX and find out after they have wrapped it around a street light that they suck at it. It does seem liek they have taken the place of civics and integras on the road. Dont get me wrong I love RWD but i think 240's are way beyond played out. On top of all this the AE86 is better anyways and still uncommen do to a lot of them have rusted out.

Also not to mention i hear thoes SR20 and RB motors do not pass Any of the US emmission regulations and are "ment" for off road use only. Let a cop pull one of these guys over who knows his inspection laws and knows cars. See how fast the car ends up in an impound yard with no way of getting it back. (assuming what i hear about them is true.)


The engines pass inspections, especially the sr20's that is why you can put them into cars np. Granted different states have different laws but a stock swap is legal, for now. I know cali is trying to out law certain engine swaps. You are right the ae86 is sweet and it's cool that not many people do it but if you go out in some nice 240's or see some done right your opinion might change. I think to many just see to many destroyed or beat on 240's. And they aren't just for drifting, I know ivan's 240 is my 2nd favorite 240 and that was all about someone taking the stock block and just pushing everything.

[MikeK]

The engines pass inspections, especially the sr20's that is why you can put them into cars np. Granted different states have different laws but a stock swap is legal, for now. I know cali is trying to out law certain engine swaps. You are right the ae86 is sweet and it's cool that not many people do it but if you go out in some nice 240's or see some done right your opinion might change. I think to many just see to many destroyed or beat on 240's. And they aren't just for drifting, I know ivan's 240 is my 2nd favorite 240 and that was all about someone taking the stock block and just pushing everything.

When I bring my car to a NY Shop they say they have to dyno it to inspect it... If I let them do it you think it will pass?

[jspek]

:roll: Now did i bring anything "fiero" into this. For one you cant drift a fiero because of oil/lubracaton issues unless you weld baffels into the oil pan. and 2. I'm willing to be a fiero is lighter than the 240SX if not very close in weight.


Lets at least try to use that little thing ratteling inside your head before making a fiero wise crack:roll:

how much does a fiero weigh?

[i_ride_fieroGT]

how much does a fiero weigh?

About 2500lbs My IMSA might be a little more. its an all plastic body.

[jdmwill]

Either way anything can be made fast and good. all depends on how deep your pockets go.



well im $3,000. in the hole with the rolla in suspension and drivetrain mod. this is with out the cost of the car, wheels, body kit,and the cage which i havent had done yet. if i would had invested that money in a 240, i could had made one bad ass well handling car.

240's are like crack you know they're bad for you, but you still buy them.

[jdmwill]

how much does a fiero weigh?

600lbs in metal
3,000lbs fiberglass

[jdmwill]

The wheelbase is to short and to narrow because it feels scary doesn't mean it's
Fast or good.

hence why i love the 86 more than the 240. its like a ghetto carnival amusement ride.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

600lbs in metal
3,000lbs fiberglass

Lol there not that heavy. I know my IMSA body only weigh's about 200LBS anbd thats all fiberglass the original pannels i think are lighter. even though there is some urathane used in them.

[jdmwill]

Lol there not that heavy. I know my IMSA body only weigh's about 200LBS anbd thats all fiberglass the original pannels i think are lighter. even though there is some urathane used in them.

i droped of a fiero at the scrap yard one day, and the guy was like "thats a huge waste of diesel" then handed me over like 30 bucks. i couldnt stop laughing. lol

[supraghost]

I dont get what people see in them either. I like the hatchback ones but when it comes down to it they are basicley what you got when you couldent afford the 300ZX and dident want a 200SX. There somewhat sporty and i hear there a lot of fun but drifting i assume can get expensive when it comes to tires and whear and tear on the car. And on top of that everyone thinks they can do it, So the go out buy a 240SX and find out after they have wrapped it around a street light that they suck at it. It does seem liek they have taken the place of civics and integras on the road. Dont get me wrong I love RWD but i think 240's are way beyond played out. On top of all this the AE86 is better anyways and still uncommen do to a lot of them have rusted out.

Also not to mention i hear thoes SR20 and RB motors do not pass Any of the US emmission regulations and are "ment" for off road use only. Let a cop pull one of these guys over who knows his inspection laws and knows cars. See how fast the car ends up in an impound yard with no way of getting it back. (assuming what i hear about them is true.)

first off, which 200sx are you referring too? s12s are sweet, but there isnt a whole lot of aftermarket for them. b14s are just mini sentras with worse suspension than the b13. not to mention fwd. completely different than a 240sx.

second, 300zx arent that much more expensive (if at all) than 240's. and they weigh a lot more. and they are a pita to work on compared to 240's.

third, ae86s are uncommon because they are junk.if it wasnt for initial d, everyone would still think they are junk. People dont realize that even in the movie they were considered pos cars. that was the whole point of it. If you drive down the street in japan with your ae86, acting like its nice, you will be made fun of. yes they are light and rwd, which is a good platform to start with, but there is nothing special about them other than that. i garantee you a stock 240 would destroy a stock ae86 on any track. the one you drove was probably not stock.


4th, who really cares if a car passes emissions legally. its a stupid law, and there are other ways to get stickers. how many of my cars have cats on them? 0.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

i droped of a fiero at the scrap yard one day, and the guy was like "thats a huge waste of diesel" then handed me over like 30 bucks. i couldnt stop laughing. lol


Lol this is why scrap yards arnt quick to junk them:D

You dont get much from them.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

first off, which 200sx are you referring too? s12s are sweet, but there isnt a whole lot of aftermarket for them. b14s are just mini sentras with worse suspension than the b13. not to mention fwd. completely different than a 240sx.

second, 300zx arent that much more expensive (if at all) than 240's. and they weigh a lot more. and they are a pita to work on compared to 240's.

third, ae86s are uncommon because they are junk.if it wasnt for initial d, everyone would still think they are junk. People dont realize that even in the movie they were considered pos cars. that was the whole point of it. If you drive down the street in japan with your ae86, acting like its nice, you will be made fun of. yes they are light and rwd, which is a good platform to start with, but there is nothing special about them other than that. i garantee you a stock 240 would destroy a stock ae86 on any track. the one you drove was probably not stock.


4th, who really cares if a car passes emissions legally. its a stupid law, and there are other ways to get stickers. how many of my cars have cats on them? 0.


1. I was talking about the mini sentra POS.

2. I dont mean now and days i ment back in the day when the 240sx and the 300ZX were new thats what you got when you wanted a nissan but couldent afford the Z

3. The AE86 is ballin and still is my personal choice.

4. Yes its a stupid law but it is in place for a reason.

[OutToWinPAHC]

The engines pass inspections, especially the sr20's that is why you can put them into cars np. Granted different states have different laws but a stock swap is legal, for now. I know cali is trying to out law certain engine swaps. You are right the ae86 is sweet and it's cool that not many people do it but if you go out in some nice 240's or see some done right your opinion might change. I think to many just see to many destroyed or beat on 240's. And they aren't just for drifting, I know ivan's 240 is my 2nd favorite 240 and that was all about someone taking the stock block and just pushing everything.

You can put them in, but they are not legal, not on a state level. EPA standards that no vehicles engine can be replaced with a different engine then what is factory on all emissions required vehicles. The law even says the engine must be the same year or newer. However the EPA laws allow permissions based on certain states branding status. For example, PA's street rod title brand.

But we do it anyway, we find ways to be passed.

[JankyS13]

240's are good over all cars, from drag, auto-x to drifting. How ever the problem is there are more fan boy fags getting into these cars for he drifting scene. which theres nothing wrong w/ that. How ever the issue is where these fags end up getting a bone stock car and start modding it from the get go w/ absolutely no driver skill whats so ever. Most not all think since they can drift on ther 360 or ps3 they can drift irl. fact of the matter, your still a toy that has nothing more than a nice looking car "if that" while attempting to be like people that have either been into cars or doing **** longer than you are old.

The after market for these cars are pretty insane, how ever the upgrades from other makes of Nissans are equally great if one knows what to use from what car. Thus saving money and putting it into areas that are more deserving. When it comes to motors for these buckets. well ones options are like a throwing a hot dog down a hallway. anything from a nissan rwd has been stuffed in there, same w/ chevys ford v8's the all mighty 2jz's and silly ass viper v10's as the list goes on and on.

Also there are informative forums that can one can research on from: nicoclub, zilvia, 240sxforums, ka-t, sr20forums, freshalloy, ziptied etc. Then there are dumb ****s daily that are trying to start new ones, one of the biggest black marks on the 240 community to date has the be the bi-curious group 240sxfamily "we are a family" yeah your family aight, lol. Seriously, what can that forum cover that the above forums have not all ready? "crickets"

In closing one more thing that is good about the 240's other than the cheap factor is the ability to hold large / fat people. If the s2k was able to do that, would have bought one myself.

[MikeK]

240's are good over all cars, from drag, auto-x to drifting. How ever the problem is there are more fan boy fags getting into these cars for he drifting scene. which theres nothing wrong w/ that. How ever the issue is where these fags end up getting a bone stock car and start modding it from the get go w/ absolutely no driver skill whats so ever. Most not all think since they can drift on ther 360 or ps3 they can drift irl. fact of the matter, your still a toy that has nothing more than a nice looking car "if that" while attempting to be like people that have either been into cars or doing **** longer than you are old.

The after market for these cars are pretty insane, how ever the upgrades from other makes of Nissans are equally great if one knows what to use from what car. Thus saving money and putting it into areas that are more deserving. When it comes to motors for these buckets. well ones options are like a throwing a hot dog down a hallway. anything from a nissan rwd has been stuffed in there, same w/ chevys ford v8's the all mighty 2jz's and silly ass viper v10's as the list goes on and on.

Also there are informative forums that can one can research on from: nicoclub, zilvia, 240sxforums, ka-t, sr20forums, freshalloy, ziptied etc. Then there are dumb ****s daily that are trying to start new ones, one of the biggest black marks on the 240 community to date has the be the bi-curious group 240sxfamily "we are a family" yeah your family aight, lol. Seriously, what can that forum cover that the above forums have not all ready? "crickets"

In closing one more thing that is good about the 240's other than the cheap factor is the ability to hold large / fat people. If the s2k was able to do that, would have bought one myself.

I bought a 240 cause I love how cheap they are to fix if something breaks or cracks, and I couldn't afford my dream car, (Sti)... so I bought one. I did buy it to drift, but that wasn't the sole purpose. I love how they look, I love driving mine, and to be honest, I almost never see 240's around where I live. Only seen one S13 other than mine in the past year. I'm not calling myself a drifter or any of that bull****. My car is a toy... and it's fun as f***. It's a "cheap" toy and I love it.

If an S2k cost as much as a 240... Of course I'd buy one!

[thefro526]

240sx's suck. If I could do it all over again, I wouldn't.

But since I can't, I love the S-Chassis, specifically the S13. It's inexpensive, RWD, easy to work on, and parts are readily available.

That is all.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

You can put them in, but they are not legal, not on a state level. EPA standards that no vehicles engine can be replaced with a different engine then what is factory on all emissions required vehicles. The law even says the engine must be the same year or newer. However the EPA laws allow permissions based on certain states branding status. For example, PA's street rod title brand.

But we do it anyway, we find ways to be passed.

This is not always true. in doing an engine swap on a fiero if you put an engine in the car that gets a better EPA rating than the original than there is no problem.

[evomike]

You can go forward in years not backwards it has nothing to do with mpg.

[tylerinc]

240 is just a good base. there are so many options that you can do with them. to argue the 240s= new civic. all that the kids did with civic were exhaust, intake, and euro tails. not really the case with 240s.

Basically as i said before its just a good platform to build off. I have a couple friends with them one with a KA, one KA-T, one SR20, one RB, and in my case i put a 302 ford motor in it. the possibilities are endless.... you don't see civics running around with 6 or 8 cyl motor swaps that often...

The reason that half the 240s are multi-colored is because most of the owners care about the motor and spend they're money towards that. As much as we would love to have nice paint jobs, rhd, silvia conversion etc., thats usually a secondary to anything else.

[evomike]

No the reason you see ugly 240's is because the east coast has no style.

[tylerinc]

No the reason you see ugly 240's is because the east coast has no style.
the west coast gets the nice looking JDM parts for alot cheaper lol

[evomike]

You don't need jdm parts to look good and there is plenty of importers here.

[OutToWinPAHC]

This is not always true. in doing an engine swap on a fiero if you put an engine in the car that gets a better EPA rating than the original than there is no problem.

WRONG....
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/engswitch.pdf

Unless your sending it to the EPA for proper testing a re-certification, which your not.

[tylerinc]

i know im just saying most west coast stuff is JDM, mines stay an american 240.. the way it should be lol

[Johara2320]

I don't think it's fair to call all new 240 owners "fan boys". My S13 was my first car that I bought on my own. I didn't buy it because I wanted to drift or anything like that, I bought it because I love the way they look and drive and I like driving my car more then any other car I've driven. It's certainly not the fastest car out there, not by a long shot, but I do love drivin it.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

WRONG....
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/engswitch.pdf

Unless your sending it to the EPA for proper testing a re-certification, which your not.

Wrong

I know numerous swappers that do it as a business and they have no problems with it with either inspection or the construction of it. lets take fiero swaps for instance. The car gets tested as a fiero no matter what engine is in it if it is not a specialy titled vehical. This meaning if i swap a 3800Sc into my car and bring it to an inspection station., It will be tested as if it had a stock 2.8 or 2.5 in it whatever the vin says, meaning its put on a dyno has a sniffer stuck into the exaust and is tested as if it was an OBD1. The car is not allowed to fall below EPA emmission standerds with an engine swap without being retitled as a specialy constructed vehical. If it surpasses Emmission limits to what the vin says is in the car that is perfectley acceptable as long as it passes the sniffer test.


If you want to get really technecical about it As long as the engine has all the proper emmission systems for its time (EGR CAT ECM etc) its acceptable to have in there

[evomike]

How are you going to say an EPA document is wrong.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

How are you going to say an EPA document is wrong.

Try reading it again. Refer to the last paragraph on the 1st page and the 1st paragraph on the second page. AS LONG AS EMMISSIONS ARE IDENTICAL... there not going to screw you if your a little off and if its better than the car was stock there deffenetley not going to screw you. I have a (now expired:cry:) PA inspection licence that says I know what im talking about.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Try reading it again. Refer to the last paragraph on the 1st page and the 1st paragraph on the second page. AS LONG AS EMMISSIONS ARE IDENTICAL... there not going to screw you if your a little off and if its better than the car was stock there deffenetley not going to screw you. I have a (now expired:cry:) PA inspection licence that says I know what im talking about.

'For light-duty vehicles, installation of a light-duty eng~ne into a different light-duty vehicle by any
person would be considered tampering unless the resulting vehicle is identical (with regard to all
emission related parts, engine design parameters, and engine calibrations) to a certified configuration of
the same or newer model year as the vehicle chassis, or if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that
emissions are not adversely affected as described in Memo 1A"

memo 1a is in regard to recertification requirements. Engine design is in regards to to displacement, compression, noise level, emisions, pretty much saying THE SAME as before"

Bottom line, is we all do it... a SR20 will pass with a cat and a standard tune, much like other swap, but in all legality they are not legal because they are not certified by the EPA

[i_ride_fieroGT]

'For light-duty vehicles, installation of a light-duty eng~ne into a different light-duty vehicle by any
person would be considered tampering unless the resulting vehicle is identical (with regard to all
emission related parts, engine design parameters, and engine calibrations) to a certified configuration of
the same or newer model year as the vehicle chassis, or if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that
emissions are not adversely affected as described in Memo 1A"

memo 1a is in regard to recertification requirements. Engine design is in regards to to displacement, compression, noise level, emisions, pretty much saying THE SAME as before"

Bottom line, is we all do it... a SR20 will pass with a cat and a standard tune, much like other swap, but in all legality they are not legal because they are not certified by the EPA

Are you talking about the SR20 motor itself or genral swaps meaning things like fiero's camaros birds hondas ETC? If its somthing like an H22 into a del sol since the motor is certified by the EPA there is no problem in that regard.


I was under the impression that the SR20 was an imported motor that is not up to US emmissions par.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Does not matter. SR20DET's int he US are not legal, but with a cat the will pass emmisions. My engine is epa approved, but not in my car. A B18 in a civic is not legal as per the EPA, but it can pass emmision without an issue. State testing may allow it to pass, but if the motor is different then factory, and you have not had it re-certified by the EPA it is not allowed... unless its 1975 or prior.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

Does not matter. SR20DET's int he US are not legal, but with a cat the will pass emmisions. My engine is epa approved, but not in my car. A B18 in a civic is not legal as per the EPA, but it can pass emmision without an issue. State testing may allow it to pass, but if the motor is different then factory, and you have not had it re-certified by the EPA it is not allowed... unless its 1975 or prior.


I beg to differ on this. If the engine itself is EPA certed it dosent really matter what car it is in. The only way to get any kind of certifacation for some kind of an engine swap is a specialy constructed vehical (BY THE STATE NOT THE EPA) Which legalizes any kind of Engine alteration/swap and also makes the car emmissions exempt. And the only reason to do a specialy constructed vehical title is because there is no way it will not pass emmissions inspection. Some examples of this are per say throwing a carbureted small block into a post OBD2 car. Doing this will completley eliminates any emmission components that the VIN says the vehical has thus making it unable to pass inspection. But if you were to say take an LT1 car and swap it over to an LS1 the fact that the motor is EPA certied and has all the same emmission components as the LT1 and perhaps better emmission components They can not raise a stink about it because all the emmission components are there and working within EPA standers or better. Trust me I have worked on and built cars dealing with specialy constructed titles and used to do inspection and in depth inspection's for reconstructed and specialy constructed vehicals. I think I have the experiance and know how to back up what I'm talking about.

Heres a more clear example. The EPA is a federally ran orginazation. So in order to get for an example a 2002 firebird to be certied to have a 1970's corvette engine you will have to pay to make it ok for everyone to do that with there firebird since its a fedral ordeal and not a state ordeal. This is the reason for engine swaps like the one I used as an example that states have made accomadations for specialy constructed vehicals. This making a vheical that the VIN says requires an OBD2 reading to be exempt from testing because of the removal of the OBD2 system.

[OutToWinPAHC]

I beg to differ on this. If the engine itself is EPA certed it dosent really matter what car it is in. The only way to get any kind of certifacation for some kind of an engine swap is a specialy constructed vehical (BY THE STATE NOT THE EPA) Which legalizes any kind of Engine alteration/swap and also makes the car emmissions exempt. And the only reason to do a specialy constructed vehical title is because there is no way it will not pass emmissions inspection. Some examples of this are per say throwing a carbureted small block into a post OBD2 car. Doing this will completley eliminates any emmission components that the VIN says the vehical has thus making it unable to pass inspection. But if you were to say take an LT1 car and swap it over to an LS1 the fact that the motor is EPA certied and has all the same emmission components as the LT1 and perhaps better emmission components They can not raise a stink about it because all the emmission components are there and working within EPA standers or better. Trust me I have worked on and built cars dealing with specialy constructed titles and used to do inspection and in depth inspection's for reconstructed and specialy constructed vehicals. I think I have the experiance and know how to back up what I'm talking about.

Heres a more clear example. The EPA is a federally ran orginazation. So in order to get for an example a 2002 firebird to be certied to have a 1970's corvette engine you will have to pay to make it ok for everyone to do that with there firebird since its a fedral ordeal and not a state ordeal. This is the reason for engine swaps like the one I used as an example that states have made accomadations for specialy constructed vehicals. This making a vheical that the VIN says requires an OBD2 reading to be exempt from testing because of the removal of the OBD2 system.

You need to step off that high horse and just read.... a little info will make you go from idiot to informer. Oh and read my first post on the subject with the "street rod status". By the way, I have lost all respect for you, just another I know it all, no matter what facts you prevent your wrong kinda guy. On the same token 49 of 50 states will title a JDM vehicle with a non us vin under 25 years of age..... but federally its not legal... Things that make you say hmmmm

[i_ride_fieroGT]

You need to step off that high horse and just read.... a little info will make you go from idiot to informer. Oh and read my first post on the subject with the "street rod status". By the way, I have lost all respect for you, just another I know it all, no matter what facts you prevent your wrong kinda guy. On the same token 49 of 50 states will title a JDM vehicle with a non us vin under 25 years of age..... but federally its not legal... Things that make you say hmmmm

Its like i said i'm not on a high horse about anything. These are the facts. Im sure I have passed state testing back in the day to obtaine my inspection licence and dont know what im talking about.. hmmmmmmm
Im not even trying to argue with you over it. and i dont car if you have lost respect for me or not. This is how it works

The only place your case remotley holds water is a carbed engine into a fuel injected car.

And on top of all this there is no way of policing your claim on EPA certed engines. The only way to police it is through state emmissions and inspections and if it passes it passes. Its not the the EPA goes around looking under everyones hoods for swapped engine.
They will however come and look at your car if you import a skyline title it as a 240 and they find out about it. and other cars like the FTO older evo's and pulsers. There main concern is what the engines are emmitting not what car there emmitting it from. The EPA has nothing to do with DOT enforcement. all they care about is if youe engine and its components are working right regardless of what car it is installed in.

[itwillboost]

Actually do some research the whole issue is behind the safety of the cars. The only emission anal state is cali. I know people in custom's but since you know so much here is a simple question what is the process of getting a r34 federally bonded. I am not trying to attack anyone but I see alot of made up or misinterepted facts.

[itwillboost]

You can put them in, but they are not legal, not on a state level. EPA standards that no vehicles engine can be replaced with a different engine then what is factory on all emissions required vehicles. The law even says the engine must be the same year or newer. However the EPA laws allow permissions based on certain states branding status. For example, PA's street rod title brand.

But we do it anyway, we find ways to be passed.

Incorrect you can make a swap if the engine was ever produced or sold state side.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

Actually do some research the whole issue is behind the safety of the cars. The only emission anal state is cali. I know people in custom's but since you know so much here is a simple question what is the process of getting a r34 federally bonded. I am not trying to attack anyone but I see alot of made up or misinterepted facts.
In order to get one fedraly bonded it must go through rigirous testing that all new cars that are to be sold in the united states must go through. This includes crash test's EPA test's, satfy test's, preformance testing, endurance testing, And much much more. Assuming it test's within US DOT and EPA standerds which it will not pass the EPA standerds It will become fedraly bonded and thus be legal to own in the US without titling it as another nissan. Theres a few more things involved but thats more or less the jist of it.

[i_ride_fieroGT]

Incorrect you can make a swap if the engine was ever produced or sold state side.

That was what i was trying to tell him. There are other regulations for carbed and OBD1 motors but its just a few more steps to take when using them.

[itwillboost]

Thank you and yea the engine swap process isn't really that hard I have been involved in both imported engines and cars and making them legal.

[JankyS13]

who actually cares what motor is in the car? I mean seriously, look at auto enthusiast from way back in the day. swapping motors in cars like i drink pepsi daily. I find this whole argument to be nothing more than trivial BS.

[jspek]

In order to get one fedraly bonded it must go through rigirous testing that all new cars that are to be sold in the united states must go through. This includes crash test's EPA test's, satfy test's, preformance testing, endurance testing, And much much more. Assuming it test's within US DOT and EPA standerds which it will not pass the EPA standerds It will become fedraly bonded and thus be legal to own in the US without titling it as another nissan. Theres a few more things involved but thats more or less the jist of it.

ok...who cares?

[JankyS13]

ok...who cares?

^ what he said.

[jspek]

no really. why wast the damn time to type all that **** out. people are gonna keep doing.

[JankyS13]

no really. why wast the damn time to type all that **** out. people are gonna keep doing.

*shrugs* simple answer homie, people are always going to argue invalid points when it comes to enthusiast that mod cars. For if enthusiast where really worried about the legalities of motors, MPG's , ride comfort and etc. They would leave the cars completely bone stock and do nothing more that routine maintenance on their cars. In stead what do they do, retards come onto public forums and babble about silly ****, Which has not a single thing to do w/ added performance of any car.

[omgjacki]

Seriously. Everyone needs to get over themselves. Generally, the 240SX is a piece of ****. The youngest S13s are already 16 years old. Unless its been garaged it's whole life and taken car of like a Ferrari, chances are, it's not something I would let my 90 year old grandparents drive as a reliable car.

Everyone has their own reasons why they like or dislike the 240SX just like I do but I'm not going to sit here and argue that you need to like them or dislike them because I do. I don't care what you think and you don't need to care what I think so I won't waste my time like others here and explain why I like them or why I've had four different ones over the last two years.

Now, can we get over this emissions argument since it's completely irrelevant and get back to talking about the real ****?

[russiankid]

Any old car is not going to be reliable unless you make it reliable. I daily drive a 21 year old car, but making it reliable took a lot of time and parts.

[supraghost]

i think the whole point was to discuss why people like or dislike them... not to try to convince other people that they are awesome.

but yeah, who really cares about the legality of motor swaps and emissions and whatnot. go make your own emissions thread if you think that is fun to talk about lol

[i_ride_fieroGT]

I'm done arguing about it. The fact of the matter is i have inspection experiance i have had inspection and emmission codes and regulations drilled into me for it and you all just look like a bunch of retards trying to argue with someone who used to do this kind of stuff for a living and has all the proper papers to prove i know what im talking about.

I'm done

[djb5118]

I'm done arguing about it. The fact of the matter is i have inspection experiance i have had inspection and emmission codes and regulations drilled into me for it and you all just look like a bunch of retards trying to argue with someone who used to do this kind of stuff for a living and has all the proper papers to prove i know what im talking about.

I'm done

you are so cool

[i_ride_fieroGT]

you are so cool

i know.

[JankyS13]

I'm done arguing about it. The fact of the matter is i have inspection experiance i have had inspection and emmission codes and regulations drilled into me for it and you all just look like a bunch of retards trying to argue with someone who used to do this kind of stuff for a living and has all the proper papers to prove i know what im talking about.

I'm done

^^^
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/5/20/128872803135023473.jpg

[jspek]

I'm done arguing about it. The fact of the matter is i have inspection experiance i have had inspection and emmission codes and regulations drilled into me for it and you all just look like a bunch of retards trying to argue with someone who used to do this kind of stuff for a living and has all the proper papers to prove i know what im talking about.

I'm done

cool. so stop posting in this thread. and dont reply to this.
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/3853/youcanrunandtellthathom.jpg

its like jacki said. 90% of 240s are junk. the other 10% are the nice ones that have either been driven by an old lady, actually cared for, or brought back to awesome by someone who actually knows and cares about what they do with it.

[JankyS13]

^ lost.

[NeweraCapMAN]

after owning a 240 imo they are great cars..not for comfort at all (mine was gutted with nismo seats and 5point harness) but i love them..and everyone that is arguing over engine swaps WHO CARES..engines swaps and 240s just go together..whether its ca,sr,RB20/25/26, LS, 1/2jz.. people can do w.e they want to their car.

RWD>fwd

[JankyS13]

after owning a 240 imo they are great cars..not for comfort at all (mine was gutted with nismo seats and 5point harness) but i love them..and everyone that is arguing over engine swaps WHO CARES..engines swaps and 240s just go together..whether its ca,sr,RB20/25/26, LS, 1/2jz.. people can do w.e they want to their car.

RWD>fwd

cant find the article now but as I am sure you all are aware of the auto / bike mags last month. there was a lot of hissy brought up about modding cars / bikes illegal. even motor swaps. how ever NASA has taken a different approach on this, they are in the process of trying to get cars like the 240's miatas and so on exempted on this. since the motors that often go into them have far better emissions than what we currently have in them.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs025.snc4/33591_10150290842870125_600615124_15159247_2554769 _n.jpg
^there was 5 more mags that I didnt see before snapping that pic.

Looks like the government is attempting what they did some years ago and make not only modding your car, truck or bike illegal, but they are going after trail riding as well. There is also some mentioning of attemptive track closing. wtf, how the hell do you think your going to stop a multi billion dollar industry? Jus so we have to drive some hoody coody green car. think logically about this. not everyone is about that **** and not everyones families can fit in something the size of a rat trap.

[marshallpre1]

I really do like my 240, even though I'm trying to sell it... I thought I can deal with the Spartan interior and the lack of modern goodies for a daily, but I really can't. I think it would really be good as a pure-track car.