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drew · 01-12-2007, 03:25 PM

i got a "careless driving" ticket this morning for accelerating to fast i guess. this is the second "no point" ticket i've received, i don't really want to pay it so i thought about fighting it, but i don't know if it's even worth it.. what do you guys do ? i'm pretty annoyed by it because i didn't know there was a law that said you can't speed up to the speed limit quickly, the cop seemed nice and it was in springfield, i thought for sure i would just get a warning since i run with springfield ambulance, guess he was just in a bad mood.

and yeah i know this should go in the ask the law forum but quite frankly that place is a ghost town and i actually want to get responces

D Money · 01-12-2007, 03:27 PM

carless driving is 2 points homie.

CleanNeon98 · 01-12-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by drew

i got a "careless driving" ticket this morning for accelerating to fast i guess. this is the second "no point" ticket i've received, i don't really want to pay it so i thought about fighting it, but i don't know if it's even worth it.. what do you guys do ? i'm pretty annoyed by it because i didn't know there was a law that said you can't speed up to the speed limit quickly, the cop seemed nice and it was in springfield, i thought for sure i would just get a warning since i run with springfield ambulance, guess he was just in a bad mood.

and yeah i know this should go in the ask the law forum but quite frankly that place is a ghost town and i actually want to get responces

we have a new officer, and he answers very quickly

Gorilla Unit 33 · 01-12-2007, 03:30 PM

hold on since when did careless driving become a no point ticket? last time i checked it was 2 or 3 points. Springfeild nailed me for careless also back in november. im fighting it, simply because i downshifted to slow down (hints the dead stopped tafic in front of me) and the cop only heard my car so he turned arround and pulled me over. he asked how fast i was going, i replyed with excuse me? how can i help you officer?. tall skinny old going bald cop. Needless to say im pretty sure i have the upper hand beings i have witnesses in the car and a good laywer

doug · 01-12-2007, 03:32 PM

you dont need a lawyer for that...

drew · 01-12-2007, 03:34 PM

i dont know, he said he was doing me a favor and that careless driving would be no points and not affect my insurance, no description of what i did on the ticket so im not even sure what he nailed me for. says

statue 3111 sub sec a fine $25 and like $75 in taxes and crap comes to 107

Gorilla Unit 33 · 01-12-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by drew

i dont know, he said he was doing me a favor and that careless driving would be no points and not affect my insurance, no description of what i did on the ticket so im not even sure what he nailed me for. says

statue 3111 sub sec a fine $25 and like $75 in taxes and crap comes to 107

thats the same total as what mine came out to, so i would say check with the court before you assume that his word is good. Cops like to do this so u dont think about actually going to court.

doug · 01-12-2007, 03:36 PM

no.. i meant LJ doesn't need a lawyer. Neither do you, though.

D Money · 01-12-2007, 03:38 PM

Woots sukka! You got hustled by the cop.

2 points comin your way!

dt98gsr · 01-12-2007, 03:42 PM

As far as I know and in my own personal experience there are two types of careless driving tickets one is 2 pts. and the other is no points.

I once recieved a 2 pt. careless driving ticket and then in court it was reduced to a 0 pt. careless driving ticket.

I would call the Courthouse or Police station and ask someone if the ticket is 0 or 2 pts.

From what I remember there is like a one number difference between the two different violation numbers.

EDIT: If it turns out that there is no points I wouldn't even bother fighting it.

drew · 01-12-2007, 03:43 PM

Obedience to Traffic Control Devices PA VC 3111a Points: 0

im going to the courthouse to make sure, and what the **** does that violation even mean?

Gorilla Unit 33 · 01-12-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by drew

im going to the courthouse to make sure, and what the **** does that violation even mean?

it means the cop put it where the sun dont shine, without it hurting

R33P3R007 · 01-12-2007, 04:00 PM

if it doesn't have points.. pay it.

WhiteXFire · 01-12-2007, 04:03 PM

The ticket is not for careless driving, it's for "failure to obey traffic-control devices". The cop gave you a break, it's no points. Don't rely on what he writes as a description, always go by the statute listed:

§ 3111. Obedience to traffic-control devices.
(a) General rule.--Unless otherwise directed by a uniformed police officer or any appropriately attired person authorized to direct, control or regulate traffic, the driver of any vehicle shall obey the instructions of any applicable official traffic-control device placed or held in accordance with the provisions of this title, subject to the privileges granted the driver of an emergency vehicle in this title.

**And damnit, I have two stickied posts in that section, they answer all of these questions:
http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/...ad.php?t=16017

TTsupra911 · 01-12-2007, 04:07 PM

careless driving is 2 points in PA. Trust me I should know.... I got one a few years back when the cop cut me a break instead of reckless

WhiteXFire · 01-12-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TTsupra911

careless driving is 2 points in PA. Trust me I should know.... I got one a few years back when the cop cut me a break instead of reckless

Actually, careless driving is 3 points. But, fortunately, he didn't get a ticket for careless driving.

Raven18940 · 01-12-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by drew

Obedience to Traffic Control Devices PA VC 3111a Points: 0

im going to the courthouse to make sure, and what the **** does that violation even mean?

Basically it means you ran a stop sign or in some eqivalent way broke a rule but didn't actually hurt anyone. In your case it was your "unsafe" acceleration. I got a two point ticket knocked down to that.

Intercooled T · 01-12-2007, 04:27 PM

If it were me, I'd show up to court. Best case scenario, no points but pay fine, worst case = you get to pay fine and realize later that its 2 pts.

drew · 01-12-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Intercooled T

If it were me, I'd show up to court. Best case scenario, no points but pay fine, worst case = you get to pay fine and realize later that its 2 pts.

it's no points, but it is listed as careless driving ( going by what they said when i just called )

LS2GTO · 01-12-2007, 07:08 PM

It's 3 points for Careless Driving. I had 3 of them. Got 2 dropped and still have one pending. That is one of the "bull**** tickets" next to Exhibition of Speed, which is one of the most ridiculous tickets I've ever seen.

You got lucky though. I only ever got one of those no point VC 3111 tickets for 42 in a 25. was lucky.

01-12-2007, 03:25 PM	#1
drew Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Broomall, PA Member #2617 My Ride: fuzion & exploder iTrader: (8)	do you fight no point tickets? i got a "careless driving" ticket this morning for accelerating to fast i guess. this is the second "no point" ticket i've received, i don't really want to pay it so i thought about fighting it, but i don't know if it's even worth it.. what do you guys do ? i'm pretty annoyed by it because i didn't know there was a law that said you can't speed up to the speed limit quickly, the cop seemed nice and it was in springfield, i thought for sure i would just get a warning since i run with springfield ambulance, guess he was just in a bad mood. and yeah i know this should go in the ask the law forum but quite frankly that place is a ghost town and i actually want to get responces __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

01-12-2007, 03:30 PM	#4
Gorilla Unit 33 TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Where do you live? Member #532 My Ride: Fly Mosca II w/pegs LOLZ iTrader: (7)	hold on since when did careless driving become a no point ticket? last time i checked it was 2 or 3 points. Springfeild nailed me for careless also back in november. im fighting it, simply because i downshifted to slow down (hints the dead stopped tafic in front of me) and the cop only heard my car so he turned arround and pulled me over. he asked how fast i was going, i replyed with excuse me? how can i help you officer?. tall skinny old going bald cop. Needless to say im pretty sure i have the upper hand beings i have witnesses in the car and a good laywer __________________ find me here: gorillaunit33.wordpress.com

01-12-2007, 03:34 PM	#6
drew Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Broomall, PA Member #2617 My Ride: fuzion & exploder iTrader: (8)	i dont know, he said he was doing me a favor and that careless driving would be no points and not affect my insurance, no description of what i did on the ticket so im not even sure what he nailed me for. says statue 3111 sub sec a fine $25 and like $75 in taxes and crap comes to 107 __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

01-12-2007, 03:42 PM	#10
dt98gsr Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Heart of Jersey Member #2949 My Ride: '98 Integra GSR (Gone) '07 Si Coupe (Daily) '08 s2000 (New Project!) iTrader: (1)	As far as I know and in my own personal experience there are two types of careless driving tickets one is 2 pts. and the other is no points. I once recieved a 2 pt. careless driving ticket and then in court it was reduced to a 0 pt. careless driving ticket. I would call the Courthouse or Police station and ask someone if the ticket is 0 or 2 pts. From what I remember there is like a one number difference between the two different violation numbers. EDIT: If it turns out that there is no points I wouldn't even bother fighting it. __________________ Dave@Canibeat.com '07 Si Coupe & '08 s2000 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. Last edited by dt98gsr; 01-12-2007 at 03:44 PM. Reason: added text

01-12-2007, 03:43 PM	#11
drew Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Broomall, PA Member #2617 My Ride: fuzion & exploder iTrader: (8)	Obedience to Traffic Control Devices PA VC 3111a Points: 0 im going to the courthouse to make sure, and what the **** does that violation even mean? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

01-12-2007, 03:32 PM	#5
doug Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2005 Location: Springfield, PA Member #450 My Ride: 2007 WRX STi Limited, 1969 Z/28 Camaro iTrader: (1)	you dont need a lawyer for that...

01-12-2007, 03:36 PM	#8
doug Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2005 Location: Springfield, PA Member #450 My Ride: 2007 WRX STi Limited, 1969 Z/28 Camaro iTrader: (1)	no.. i meant LJ doesn't need a lawyer. Neither do you, though.

01-12-2007, 04:03 PM	#14
WhiteXFire Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Langhorne, PA Member #305 My Ride: 2007 Infiniti G35x, 2008 MB SLK55 AMG iTrader: (0)	The ticket is not for careless driving, it's for "failure to obey traffic-control devices". The cop gave you a break, it's no points. Don't rely on what he writes as a description, always go by the statute listed: § 3111. Obedience to traffic-control devices. (a) General rule.--Unless otherwise directed by a uniformed police officer or any appropriately attired person authorized to direct, control or regulate traffic, the driver of any vehicle shall obey the instructions of any applicable official traffic-control device placed or held in accordance with the provisions of this title, subject to the privileges granted the driver of an emergency vehicle in this title. *And damnit, I have two stickied posts in that section, they answer all of these questions: http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/...ad.php?t=16017 __________________ Just enjoying the ride. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.* 2004 Chrysler Crossfire - Gone 2007 Infiniti G35x Sedan - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. 2008 Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG - To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. Last edited by WhiteXFire; 01-12-2007 at 04:06 PM.

01-12-2007, 04:07 PM	#15
TTsupra911 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lancaster Member #2511 My Ride: 05 SRT-4 iTrader: (0)	careless driving is 2 points in PA. Trust me I should know.... I got one a few years back when the cop cut me a break instead of reckless

01-12-2007, 04:27 PM	#18
Intercooled T Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fairless Hills, PA Member #207 My Ride: 2003 Toyota Rav4 iTrader: (0)	If it were me, I'd show up to court. Best case scenario, no points but pay fine, worst case = you get to pay fine and realize later that its 2 pts. __________________ 2003 Toyota Rav4, 2.0L/Auto/AWD To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. 2013 Nissan Juke, 1.6T/Auto/FWD (wife's car lol To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. )

01-12-2007, 07:08 PM	#20
LS2GTO Tri-State Aficionado Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South Jersey Member #3274 iTrader: (0)	It's 3 points for Careless Driving. I had 3 of them. Got 2 dropped and still have one pending. That is one of the "bull**** tickets" next to Exhibition of Speed, which is one of the most ridiculous tickets I've ever seen. You got lucky though. I only ever got one of those no point VC 3111 tickets for 42 in a 25. was lucky. Last edited by LS2GTO; 01-12-2007 at 07:12 PM.

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