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I have to agree with clarkson here. I know many dont like his views on cars, but he seems on track here. I see cars going into the ****ter, as he does, in the next 10 years or so. So much view on "green" here that I couldn't have said it better than him : "...America, which since the dawn of Barack Obama, is even more green than the lawn outside the White House.." anyways. Discuss. agree/disagree?
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10-02-2009, 12:56 PM | #2 |
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I kinda agree. He seems to have a solid point here, but then again, cars can be efficient and still be powerful.
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I think more of his point was super cars. Most supercars have a big ol' V8 in them or bigger and too most people v8's = ****ty gas milage. Also, there is the fact that these cars cost as much as some houses and with the ****ty economy these companies are holding on by fingernails.
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This is an argument he's been making for a while. I agree it's under attack. But here's the thing. Cars like that exist because of human nature. People are competitive. Human beings have since the beginning of time raced everything that moves. People race themselves, horses, then cars and other vehicles. We all have the drive to have our car be better and more capable than our neighbors. And the rich can afford to have it. I kind of think to the contrary here. Clarkson sees the death of the performance car. I say no. There will always be a demand for them. I see the death of the car for automatic transportation, but I see performance cars surviving because they are their own experience and lifestyle. Look at horses. Hose riding and racing is hobby now. It used to be the transportation for everyone. It has been replaced by the car but the enthusiast sector has survived and is still prevailent today. The same will happen to the automobile.
Also. The envirmentalists bitch about emmissions an pollution. Get this tho. Current car engines are only like 35% efficient. If we work to make efficiency much greater, even to like 50%, emmissions will be down huge amounts, as will pollutants, mpg will go way up, and guess what?.....power will increase dramatically. Death of fast cars....quite the opposite. Also just cuz there's new technology coming out and that hybrids are mostly vag mobiles right now does not mean it will stay that way. Hybrids as we know them will be gone within 10 years. The volt platform is FAR superior to that of the prius and insight. O and if the volt isn't fast enough for u, then how about the Fisker karma, and it's 400whp and 960rwtq. People still want fast and fun cars especially ones that are more efficient and have new technology. As far as the crying mothers go. It's sad and it sucks. But the fact is that there are 9 billion people on earth and a good percentage of them are ****ing idiots in some regard. This **** has happened, it does happen, and it will continue to happen. These people are the same type of people who stopped flying after 9/11. They are scared and tormented. Not dignified if u ask me. As such fear shows little faith and much weakness and insecurity. Welcome to earth, **** happens and we all die. Clarksons point is valid, but it would require people to not be people anymore. And throughout history I've found that human nature will prevail. Fast vehicles are here to stay people. |
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Yes maybe their lower income customers may have trouble but those are people who stretched themselves a bit to have that car. Most of ferraris clients have so much money that it doesn't matter |
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if you have that kind of money thats not how you would look at it. thats half of your money gone! I wouldnt be buying ferraris, id be looking for ways to get that money back!
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Obviously it would depend on how they were living. But 100million is an unbelievably huge amount of money. And honestly money stops mattering the more of it u have. Yes it's half, but the remaining half is still unfathomably large.
And also. Most of these people would get their money back. Everyone is panicing and cluster****ing all over the place. This is a natural economy cycle patience is a virtue. And if u panic u get what u deserve and are a ****ing idiot just like the rest of the idiots who caused this. It's not that hard to be smart, stupid people caused this and it is mostly them who will suffer from this. Because smart people who got ****ed over will find a way back up. **** stupid people. I don't feel sorry for people that bough houses they couldn't afford with money they didn't have. I don't feel sorry for the idiots that granted such loans. I don't feel sorry for the ****tards who put everything they had with burnie. They're all ****ing retards and deserve to be homeless and to whore themselves for a living. Madoff was a douche, but he took advantage of stupid people, that's the American way and he got away with it for a long time cuz he wasn't stupid. It isn't that hard to have common sense, and in the animal world stupidity gets u killed. Same is still true of us, though it may not kill u, just **** u over Last edited by ndubz; 10-02-2009 at 01:44 PM. |
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100 mill is not unfathomly large anymore.. anyways, this about cars not money.
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Yes it is if ur smart with ur money. And ur right. Sorry I got into a rant.
Point is though. Human nature insures that we will always have fast cars, and other vehicles cuz we all want to be better than others. Idiots try and limit things, but in the end they will fail. They always have. They always will. |
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yeah, lots of people are dumb with money though, IE lotto winners.
anyways I do agree that we have some sort of natural instinct to want to race/have some sort of performance model.
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The last show of the season almost made me cry. The end was so sad.
Clarkson speaks truth.
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Human nature makes us competitive. Racing is competition. as is social status. Cars are absolutely related to human nature. As are houses, clothing, jewelry, etc. its all about making yourself seem better than those around you. Yes for mating, and yes for the ego that resides in all of us. U sir, seem to be the one who is misinformed.
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I really don't think it will ever disapear. Cars are not super popular if you see the news and keep in mind all news shows and papers have an agenda. First and foremost is to sell papers. Green and Socialism sell right now.
I have been alive since the 70s and can tell you this is the 3rd time in my life that this whole green thing has come along. During the oil crisis is was a huge deal. We were forced to wait in lines for gas. In school we literally worked with the lights off. Seriously they cut power to the school. I also grew up in a solar powered house. Didn't work so great but the house still exist and is still solar powered. During Clintons first term it came back again. Next thing I know we had to buy shopping bags made out of recycled material to get our groceries. Funny we all had them and there are probably 20 land fills full of these bags. Half way thru his presidency they focused more on ripping people off and the green thing got kicked to the curb. Now the politicians of the world have figured out they can use this green agenda as a way to manipulate and control us. But the best part is we thank them for it and make them even more powerful. If anyone here can remember back to the 70s and 80s after the oil crisis we had the worst cars ever made. From about 74 maybe 95 you have got the most terrible cars imaginable. Now some may disagree but your wrong. Cause wether you like a car from the era or not you are either going to buy it and modify it or you really haven't driven that car in awhile. Sorry the Grand National was not that fast and the style and design were ****. I bring this up because this is whats going to happen again. But I say embrace it. Let it happen. When this happened in the 70s it meant you could buy a second hand ferrari for $1000. I kid you not. Same thing will happen this time around. Car manufacturers are currently making cars for the politicians. Think about it. Who would want to buy a Toyota right now? No one wants a toyota. They are boring. But my god they give the green crowd a boner. However as stated in the article they are a small group of people. Unless they can convince you a prius is cool you are not gonna buy it. What will happen and it's already happening is these cars are sitting on lots and not selling. You see bigger and better cars coming down the road now almost daily. Not to mention for almost every guy I know it's a real motivation to own a beautiful expensive sports car. If I wasn't able to own a Aston Martin I wouldn't work 60 hours a week like I do. I would work 35 hours and **** strippers and take E. Seriously thats what I would be doing. I would have nothing to enjoy that would justify me working so hard. Only thing keeping me going is so I can have a mansion in a few years with 10 exotics sitting in the garage. I think alot of men are like that and it would kill our economy if we took the sports cars away. OK I just rambled on and typed like a nut sorry but I will post it anyways. |
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aston martins are pieces of **** and the jaguar variant is always better... and cheaper... but i get your point. I like alot of cars from the time-era your talking about and alot of others do. They may not always be the prettiest thing but they are not horrible like you say. I know this green thing isnt new, infact I think its dumb. There is a **** load of other things that pollute more than cars.
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I once heard of a place where people had this mentality.........oh what was it called again?........... Oh right, the Soviet Union. No thanks man
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