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HickRocket1258 · 01-18-2006, 07:02 PM

I have a 2002 Mustang GT and I've been looking around for headers since I'm thinking about getting my exhaust done. A question I have is what's the difference between the long tube and shorty headers? I've been trying to figure out the difference but have had no luck. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rob

1988 Olds · 01-26-2006, 06:37 PM

Ok here's a simple explanation,may not be 100% right. Shortie headers will replace your stock manifold. They will bolt right into place usually and basically just act in place of the manifold. Long tubes on the other head extend underneath the car. They replace the manifold also but also the piping off the manifold has to be cut back or replaced. When I get my car back you can look at it and see what long tubes look like or basically any car where the headers run under neath has long tubes.

white2000neon · 01-27-2006, 06:31 PM

From what i heard long tube gives u more top end and short tube gives u more bottom end and mid. I'm not completely sure because it is debateable.

20th1519 · 01-28-2006, 01:38 AM

The difference is exactly how they are described. Shortys are a good replacement for factory exhaust manifolds that bolt right up to the stock exhaust. Long tubes will most likely require you to get an aftermarket H or X pipe to mate up to your factory exhaust. Long tubes will give you more bottom end grunt. I have had both long tubes and shortys on my 302's and prefer long tubes due to the extra torque and the sound. Either way modular 4.6's with exhausts sound nasty.

FIVEOH · 10-08-2006, 10:40 AM

on a 4.6, shorties won't do ****.
longtubes or bust.

AMF Racing · 10-09-2006, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIVEOH

on a 4.6, shorties won't do ****.
longtubes or bust.

i concur......long tubes with catted short x-pipe FTW...

Intercooled T · 10-09-2006, 11:25 PM

i'll be running shorties with an x-pipe...w or w/o cats, not decided yet

65stang · 10-09-2006, 11:49 PM

Long tubes for sure!

JSPERFORMANCE · 10-10-2006, 10:08 AM

ground clearance can sometimes be a problem with long tubes

C'DALERIDER · 10-11-2006, 12:12 PM

i had long tube hooker headers and catless X-pipe into spintec side exhaust on my old S3roush. It was soooo sweet sounding.

CHAOS · 10-11-2006, 01:31 PM

the basic concept is about backpressure and scavenging... the longer smaller tubes help with scavenging... which helps up top... shorter headers will increase low to mid range... it all depends on what ur looking for... id say long tube for a drag/partial track car... and shorties for a street car. just my opinion

05GT · 10-11-2006, 01:51 PM

No matter the application...LT's are 99% of the time better, granted that you get ones that fit correctly.

However, shorties do help low end and improve sound. You WILL see small gains from them.

Broken5hift · 10-11-2006, 01:57 PM

i got shorties on my camaro and they made a big difference imo. the long tubes give you more power especially up top but you will need ground clearance

Brazen06 · 10-12-2006, 04:05 PM

it really depends on the application. i hear shorties do nothing for a basically stock motor, but with LT's and a tune you could see a nice power jump...shorties are more economical because they're basically a bolton, where as LT need the extra pieces of exhaust to fit right. long tubes will ultimately make more power across the board it all comes down to your preference of sound and the power level your going after.

sleeperstyle · 02-13-2007, 08:43 PM

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PA Z06 · 02-21-2007, 07:43 AM

I just did some LG long tubes with high flow cats, and I heat wraped them before install, car sounds great

twistedlanes · 03-13-2007, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by white2000neon

From what i heard long tube gives u more top end and short tube gives u more bottom end and mid. I'm not completely sure because it is debateable.

I think your thinkin of intake . I can't remember

fuzionauto · 05-02-2008, 12:00 AM

Long tubes will make more HP & TQ because they merge the cylinders farther down where the exhaust is less turbulant and you will get much less exhaust reversion with much better scavaging.

Read this article it will enlighten you.

http://www.burnsstainless.com/TechAr...ry/theory.html

Crap this thread is 2 years old, just realized that, well it is a good article...

vantage08 · 08-12-2009, 12:58 AM

ANd shorties might be a weld on..not bolt on..makes it a little more of a PITA.

Scapegoat · 08-12-2009, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vantage08

ANd shorties might be a weld on..not bolt on..makes it a little more of a PITA.

we have a winner!

anyway, good bump regardless because i'm looking at headers and exhaust now

01-18-2006, 07:02 PM	#1
HickRocket1258 Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: May 2005 Location: West Chester, PA Member #415 iTrader: (0)	Difference between Long Tube and Shorties I have a 2002 Mustang GT and I've been looking around for headers since I'm thinking about getting my exhaust done. A question I have is what's the difference between the long tube and shorty headers? I've been trying to figure out the difference but have had no luck. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Rob __________________ -Rob Just a mustang that's lowered.....that's about it. Work harder....Millions on welfare depend on you!

01-26-2006, 06:37 PM	#2
1988 Olds Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Levittown, PA Member #201 My Ride: 2012 Chevy Cruze iTrader: (0)	Ok here's a simple explanation,may not be 100% right. Shortie headers will replace your stock manifold. They will bolt right into place usually and basically just act in place of the manifold. Long tubes on the other head extend underneath the car. They replace the manifold also but also the piping off the manifold has to be cut back or replaced. When I get my car back you can look at it and see what long tubes look like or basically any car where the headers run under neath has long tubes. __________________ 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Surpeme Classic To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. Dynoed at 237hp and 292lbs at the rear wheels. Hmm ran 13.52 @ 103.42 11/10/06 1994 Hunter Green Acura Integra DB7, Stock

01-27-2006, 06:31 PM	#3
white2000neon Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bensalem, Pa Member #312 iTrader: (0)	From what i heard long tube gives u more top end and short tube gives u more bottom end and mid. I'm not completely sure because it is debateable. __________________ Yellow 2003 SRT 4, Exhaust Depot Hardpipe Kit, MPx 3'" Turbo Back Exhaust, MPx Intercooler, Coolingmist Trunkmount W/I, AGP Wastegate, 750cc Injectors, Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump, AEM Wideband, Aeroforce Scanguage, DCR Oil Mod, AGP CAI, Greddy Type RS BOV, Mopar STS

01-28-2006, 01:38 AM	#4
20th1519 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Erwinna Member #46 My Ride: 2002 WRX Wagon PSM iTrader: (0)	The difference is exactly how they are described. Shortys are a good replacement for factory exhaust manifolds that bolt right up to the stock exhaust. Long tubes will most likely require you to get an aftermarket H or X pipe to mate up to your factory exhaust. Long tubes will give you more bottom end grunt. I have had both long tubes and shortys on my 302's and prefer long tubes due to the extra torque and the sound. Either way modular 4.6's with exhausts sound nasty. __________________ ---Travis--- "Negative Ghostrider the pattern's full"

10-09-2006, 11:25 PM	#7
Intercooled T Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fairless Hills, PA Member #207 My Ride: 2003 Toyota Rav4 iTrader: (0)	i'll be running shorties with an x-pipe...w or w/o cats, not decided yet __________________ 2003 Toyota Rav4, 2.0L/Auto/AWD To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. 2013 Nissan Juke, 1.6T/Auto/FWD (wife's car lol To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. )

10-08-2006, 10:40 AM	#5
FIVEOH Noob-Jersey Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Member #2694 My Ride: 1992 Mustang GT iTrader: (0)	on a 4.6, shorties won't do ****. longtubes or bust.

10-09-2006, 11:49 PM	#8
65stang Tri-State Training Wheels Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Levittown, Pa Member #235 iTrader: (0)	Long tubes for sure!

10-10-2006, 10:08 AM	#9
JSPERFORMANCE Tri-State Training Wheels Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hulmeville, PA Member #951 iTrader: (0)	ground clearance can sometimes be a problem with long tubes

10-11-2006, 12:12 PM	#10
C'DALERIDER Tri-State Addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: PHOENIXVILLE Member #1064 My Ride: '04WRX,'06STI;WRBX2,850awhp iTrader: (0)	i had long tube hooker headers and catless X-pipe into spintec side exhaust on my old S3roush. It was soooo sweet sounding. __________________ The wheel in front of me twitches and pulses with enormous energy as it tries desperately to pull away from my gasping breaths. My legs ache, the pain beginning deep, unbelievably deep, slowly creeping up through the layers of my consciousness, finally reaching the threshold where my struggle to ignore it is overcome and it comes gushing out in great spasms. Last edited by C'DALERIDER; 05-01-2008 at 07:51 PM.

10-11-2006, 01:31 PM	#11
CHAOS TST Ruined My Life! Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Member #2120 My Ride: 1984 Cadillac Brougham iTrader: (1)	the basic concept is about backpressure and scavenging... the longer smaller tubes help with scavenging... which helps up top... shorter headers will increase low to mid range... it all depends on what ur looking for... id say long tube for a drag/partial track car... and shorties for a street car. just my opinion

10-11-2006, 01:51 PM	#12
05GT The TST IT Ninja Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Member #1598 My Ride: 2007 SRT8 Jeep / 2013 Shelby GT500 iTrader: (0)	No matter the application...LT's are 99% of the time better, granted that you get ones that fit correctly. However, shorties do help low end and improve sound. You WILL see small gains from them.

10-11-2006, 01:57 PM	#13
Broken5hift Tri-State Post Whore Banned Join Date: Apr 2005 Member #397 My Ride: 08 Scion Xb & 06 TSX iTrader: (0)	i got shorties on my camaro and they made a big difference imo. the long tubes give you more power especially up top but you will need ground clearance

10-12-2006, 04:05 PM	#14
Brazen06 Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Sep 2006 Member #2451 My Ride: 04.5 MkIV Jetta GLI iTrader: (0)	it really depends on the application. i hear shorties do nothing for a basically stock motor, but with LT's and a tune you could see a nice power jump...shorties are more economical because they're basically a bolton, where as LT need the extra pieces of exhaust to fit right. long tubes will ultimately make more power across the board it all comes down to your preference of sound and the power level your going after. __________________ 2006 BOM M6 GTO--11.67 @ 119.03--Crashed 2005 Jetta GLI 1.8T-GT28 Turbo -- Sold 1997 S-10 2.2 5 speed...The DD 2003 Corvette Z06 12.4 @ 116 Stock

02-13-2007, 08:43 PM	#15
sleeperstyle Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Sep 2005 Member #848 iTrader: (0)	dsfsdfaasdf __________________ 99' firebird formula-- 495rwhp

02-21-2007, 07:43 AM	#16
PA Z06 Tri-State Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: Drexel Hill PA Member #1883 My Ride: 2002 Corvette Z06 iTrader: (1)	I just did some LG long tubes with high flow cats, and I heat wraped them before install, car sounds great __________________ 2002 QS Z06 LG Long tubes 385 rwhp 381 tq "Harris Tuned" Roll Bar/Sparco Evo L Seat 03 Pathfinder "Daily driven"

05-02-2008, 12:00 AM	#18
fuzionauto Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Havertown, PA Member #1548 My Ride: 1994 Supra iTrader: (0)	Long tubes will make more HP & TQ because they merge the cylinders farther down where the exhaust is less turbulant and you will get much less exhaust reversion with much better scavaging. Read this article it will enlighten you. http://www.burnsstainless.com/TechAr...ry/theory.html Crap this thread is 2 years old, just realized that, well it is a good article... __________________ 94 Supra 770rwhp 9.73 @142mph 04 Evo RS 330awhp 12.8@ 105mph slipping clutch Porsche 959 13b RE Rotary project Red 98 Eclipse GSX Auto 4sale Last edited by fuzionauto; 05-02-2008 at 12:37 AM.

08-12-2009, 12:58 AM	#19
vantage08 Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: warminster,pa Member #13900 My Ride: 2011 Chevy Cruze ECSLOW, 2006 Dakota 4.7 Magnum. iTrader: (0)	ANd shorties might be a weld on..not bolt on..makes it a little more of a PITA. __________________ Traded To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. -2005 Grand Prix- GTP-COMP. 2006 Dakota Magnum-work truck 2011 Chevy Cruze 1.4 Turdbo.

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